Re: [RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

[Patrick Moore]

Not really, but it's fun rehashing old stories.

On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 8:07 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> In this year's revisiting of this topic, have you picked up anything new?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

[Patrick Moore]

I recall reading in one of the first bike lore books I found at the local
library circa 1970 how pro track racers would wear only thin silk socks to
ensure as close a shoe fit as possibible. IIRC, this book also recommended
ankling and analyzed the reasons for frames becoming soft with use. I've no
silk socks but I do have a PI pair marked Right and Left, and perhaps that
helps too.

On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 8:59 AM John Dewey  wrote:

> ... Of course, I could also wear fine silk socks, maybe achieve same
> result. YMMV.
>
> Jock
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[RBW] Re: FS 64cm Sam Hillborne USA Made

[The Snag]

$2000. Gettin close to that price just in parts. Fantastic bicycle, 
unfortunately I need the money more than the bike right now

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Kim H.]

Blue Lug has a Rivendell 54 Roadini Framset in Sergio Green in stock !

https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-roadini-frame-set-sergio-green.html

Kim Hetzel.

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 1:17:36 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The first run used mid-reach (47-57mm) brakes, the current model uses 
> long-reach like Tektro R559. 
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 12:58:57 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Does the orange one have a different spec than the new ones? The dropouts 
>> are perhaps different? Perhaps tire clearance as well? Just asking. The 
>> Roaduno changed my mind. I have a tigged Riv (Clem) and a fillet brazed one 
>> (Gus). So if I am to have a (completely unnecessary) third Riv I decided it 
>> should be fully lugged.:)
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 3:39 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good 
>> price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come 
>> along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for the 
>> heads up!
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? I 
>>> have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. It’s 
>>> NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a 
>>> previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up 
>>> but decided I did not need it.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>
>>> I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I 
>>> could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on 
>>> that size.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
 Doug

 On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham 
 wrote:

> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 
> 74cm saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least 
> it 
> can show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest 
>> for that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
>> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
>> based on upright relaxed riding.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
>>> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
>>> height. 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>>
>>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a 
>>> size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle 
>>> height. 
>>> Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. 
>>> Thanks all.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>


 On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

 Frameset or complete would work. 
 Doug Hansford
 Athens, Ga

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Re: [RBW] FS - Vintage 1989 Brooks Professional saddle, brown.

['Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 The saddle is spoken for and pending payment.
My thanks to the list,Paul Germain

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 06:59:02 PM EST, 'Bikie#4646' via RBW 
Owners Bunch  wrote:  
 
 I mounted this veteran saddle new on my (then new) 1989 custom Bontrager CX. 
While I never raced CX, this thing went off and on road for 30 years before I 
retired it. It's built like a tank, and despite the "Pre-Softened" designation 
on the top, I barely managed to imprint my sit bones into it. The leather is 
thick with very little give! However, it can be surprisingly comfy for short 
(under 50 miles) rides. Maybe that is why Jan Heine chose it as his go-to 
saddle for years and would always mount it on his test bikes. (Until he began 
selling another brand.) It is in good shape, with minimal wear, no tears or 
major scrapes, etc. The copper rivets are exceptionally handsome compared to 
current, IMHO. It might make a perfect addition to a restoration. You could 
tour with it and not worry about rain! I can't see my using it as wall art if 
someone can make use of it.Chrome rails, which originally were anodized copper. 
When Brooks began using titanium rails, I switched my five Brooks to that. (It 
seems they have moved away from titanium because of a price hike.)My 
measurements vary a little from what Brooks has listed on their web site, so I 
will put their dimensions and weight in parenthesis:W: 150mm (160mm) x L: 285mm 
(275mm)Weight: 454g (540g)Though eBay prices for these (used) are all over the 
place ($50 to $245 and up before shipping,) I saw very few which looked as good 
was this one.I will ship at my expense USPS Medium Flat Rate box (CONUS) for 
$60.My Flickr images, some normal light (leather appears dark) and some bright 
light:https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720314045543



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Re: [RBW] Feeler: ISO extra-small 26er?

[dougP]

My wife is 5' 2" & loves her 47 cm Atlantis with 1.5" x 26" Schwalbe 
Marathon Supreme tires. I have a 58 cm Atlantis. When I ride her bike (to 
check out something) it seems to accelerate much quicker than mine. Rims 
are different & of course the 700 x 40 wheel / tire set up is heavier. The 
small Atlantis is hard to find. There were also a miniscule number of 44 cm 
that were made. A few years ago, during one of their periodic inventories, 
Rivendell "found" 2 47s tucked away somewhere. Who knows, there might still 
be one at RBWHQ. Give them a call.

DougP

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 9:28:52 AM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> [image: 00k0k_kQoDqkw1aM7_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>
> Rivendell Joe Appaloosa Travel bike - bicycles - by owner - bike sale - 
> craigslist 
> 
> seattle.craigslist.org 
> 
>
> 
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2024, at 9:46 AM, Michael Morrissey  
> wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm thinking about getting a new bike for my wife. Currently, she has a 
> Trek FX. She likes it a lot, but I can't help but think it doesn't fit her 
> right. She is 5 feet tall, yet the bike has 700x35 tires. The frame is 
> small but I think it's crazy to have an extra-small bike with the biggest 
> wheel size. Google "Trek FX 13 inch" and look at this ridiculously 
> proportioned bicycle. It looks like a penny-farthing.
>
> I think she would be much more comfortable on a steel 26" wheeled bike. I 
> especially like it because I already own 3 vintage 26" mountain bikes as 
> parts sources. She has expressed interest in getting a lighter bike, more 
> roadish, with drop bars. She really likes the color blue, so I want to get 
> her a blue bike. I spoke with a local custom builder, who loved the idea 
> and quoted me $1800 for a custom frame. 
>
> I've got an eBay notification going for the Surly Long Haul Trucker in 
> extra-small 42cm. This would check all my boxes. 
>
> I was wondering if anyone has experience (or ones they will get rid of 
> cheap) with the smallest of touring bikes: 
> Joe Appaloosa in 46cm
> Atlantis in 47cm?
> Surly Long Haul Trucker or Disc Trucker in 42cm
> Clem Smith / Clementine in 45cm 
> Buy another old Gary Fisher and add drop bars and call it a day? 
> Others???
>
> I'd even consider a 24" wheeled bike for her. Crust bikes made a Romanceur 
> in 24". Salsa makes a 24" gravel bike that looks really nice too.
>
> If anyone has one we could try, we are in NYC.
>
> Thanks! 
>
> Michael 
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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Fan Club now open for membership

[Steve]

I hear you Ron...life gets busy, even for a retired bum like myself. 

My impression of the BFC though is that it exists as a mechanism to enable 
Rivendell owners and friends of the marque to support RBW's philanthropy. 
The only commitment asked of BFC "members" is to spend a few bucks on 
patches, stickers or apparel.  I like seeing that sort of business 
investment in our larger society, and I am happy to support it. 

For a number of years I regularly attended BMW Motorcycle Owners of America 
camping rallies. A standing feature of BMW MOA  rallies is a raffle with 
the proceeds going to benefit a service agency in the host community. I 
always made it a standing habit to buy a few tickets, as did the vast 
majority of attendees. I felt it was a good thing. Maybe this stems from 
some sort of personal guilt over being privileged enough to indulge my $$$ 
obsessions - but regardless, the result is still a benefit to the society I 
live in.  

I will be proudly displaying my Bicycle Fan Club patch in the map pocket of 
my handlebar bag and keeping my eye peeled for fellow BFC members.

Steve in Asheville



On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 6:12:32 PM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:

> Hi Steve, it's a cool concept - we each have to weigh what it means 
> compared to our existing commitment.  
>
> [image: YB9z8Mu.jpg]
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 5:00:33 PM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> What? Am I the only member in the BFC clubhouse? 
>>
>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 9:50:00 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:
>>
>>> I just now joined the club!
>>>
>>> I like the idea - Good on you G.P. & good on RBW.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bicycle-fan-club?mc_cid=58d4e2075a_eid=5d4cbaf1a4
>>>
>>

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[RBW] FS - Vintage 1989 Brooks Professional saddle, brown.

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I mounted this veteran saddle new on my (then new) 1989 custom Bontrager 
CX. While I never raced CX, this thing went off and on road for 30 years 
before I retired it. It's built like a tank, and despite the "Pre-Softened" 
designation on the top, I barely managed to imprint my sit bones into it. 
The leather is thick with very little give! However, it can be surprisingly 
comfy for short (under 50 miles) rides. Maybe that is why Jan Heine chose 
it as his go-to saddle for years and would always mount it on his test 
bikes. (Until he began selling another brand.) 
It is in good shape, with minimal wear, no tears or major scrapes, etc. The 
copper rivets are exceptionally handsome compared to current, IMHO. It 
might make a perfect addition to a restoration. You could tour with it and 
not worry about rain! I can't see my using it as wall art if someone can 
make use of it.
Chrome rails, which originally were anodized copper. When Brooks began 
using titanium rails, I switched my five Brooks to that. (It seems they 
have moved away from titanium because of a price hike.)
My measurements vary a little from what Brooks has listed on their web 
site, so I will put their dimensions and weight in parenthesis:
W: 150mm (160mm) x L: 285mm (275mm)
Weight: 454g (540g)
Though eBay prices for these (used) are all over the place ($50 to $245 and 
up before shipping,) I saw very few which looked as good was this one.
I will ship at my expense USPS Medium Flat Rate box (CONUS) for $60.
My Flickr images, some normal light (leather appears dark) and some bright 
light:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720314045543

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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Fan Club now open for membership

[Steve]

What? Am I the only member in the BFC clubhouse? 

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 9:50:00 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:

> I just now joined the club!
>
> I like the idea - Good on you G.P. & good on RBW.
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bicycle-fan-club?mc_cid=58d4e2075a_eid=5d4cbaf1a4
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Joe Bernard]

The first run used mid-reach (47-57mm) brakes, the current model uses 
long-reach like Tektro R559. 

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 12:58:57 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Does the orange one have a different spec than the new ones? The dropouts 
> are perhaps different? Perhaps tire clearance as well? Just asking. The 
> Roaduno changed my mind. I have a tigged Riv (Clem) and a fillet brazed one 
> (Gus). So if I am to have a (completely unnecessary) third Riv I decided it 
> should be fully lugged.:)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2024, at 3:39 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good 
> price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come 
> along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for the 
> heads up!
>
> Doug
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? I 
>> have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. It’s 
>> NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a 
>> previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up 
>> but decided I did not need it.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I 
>> could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on 
>> that size.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm 
 saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can 
 show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.

 Brian


 On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest 
> for that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
> based on upright relaxed riding.
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
>> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
>> height. 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a 
>> size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle 
>> height. 
>> Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. 
>> Thanks all.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
>>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>>> Doug Hansford
>>> Athens, Ga
>>>
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[RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Dorothy C]

Congratulations Leah. Now you have a one of a kind brake set on a custom 
color Platy. 

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 10:10:51 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Leah -
>
> I am certain with your new anodized bicycle parts will make you smile 
> loudly with a lot of joy making you go faster than ever before.
>
> Enjoy !
>
> Kim Hetzel enjoying my blue 52cm Clem with a lot of joy and smiles. 
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 3:40:37 PM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> I had the pleasure to meet and converse with Paul at the Philly Bike 
>> Expo. His approachability, perspective and overall friendliness adds to the 
>> MUSA points and makes me a fan of his parts any time I can use them. I 
>> think I'm dearly holding on to my orange Rambouillet because of the center 
>> bolt Racer brakes I added years ago to make room for more fender and tire.
>>
>> Name that bike "Varod". 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham 
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came 
>>> with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake 
>>> levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and 
>>> everything was silver 4 months later. 
>>>
>>> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
>>> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
>>> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of 
>>> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
>>> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee 
>>> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
>>> the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via 
>>> email) and we made a plan. 
>>>
>>> We colored it all. 
>>>
>>> The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. 
>>>
>>> The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope 
>>> had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, 
>>> with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! 
>>> I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered 
>>> the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. 
>>> Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. 
>>>
>>> I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this 
>>> experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its 
>>> way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back 
>>> in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. 
>>> I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I 
>>> have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants 
>>> to see what is in these boxes?” 
>>>
>>> So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little 
>>> parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had 
>>> never seen. 
>>>
>>> “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul 
>>> emblems. 
>>>
>>> “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.
>>>
>>> I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few 
>>> days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to 
>>> ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of 
>>> snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how 
>>> enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. 
>>>
>>> And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I 
>>> have heard they are a small operation, but they *are* famous in their 
>>> own right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like 
>>> me.
>>>
>>> Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he 
>>> asked. 
>>>
>>> Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>  
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

I don't know the answer but my assumption is that it is the same geometry. 
I sold my Clem so am currently without a Rivendell. I've been riding my 
Wabi single speed which I really like. Single speed riding is fun but I 
want a geared bike too. The Roadini seems like the best option for me 
although I would take a Homer if one were available in my size (51). You 
won't have to wait too much longer for a Roaduno if the frame schedule 
holds true.
Doug

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:58:57 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Does the orange one have a different spec than the new ones? The dropouts 
> are perhaps different? Perhaps tire clearance as well? Just asking. The 
> Roaduno changed my mind. I have a tigged Riv (Clem) and a fillet brazed one 
> (Gus). So if I am to have a (completely unnecessary) third Riv I decided it 
> should be fully lugged.:)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2024, at 3:39 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good 
> price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come 
> along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for the 
> heads up!
>
> Doug
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? I 
>> have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. It’s 
>> NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a 
>> previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up 
>> but decided I did not need it.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I 
>> could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on 
>> that size.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm 
 saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can 
 show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.

 Brian


 On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest 
> for that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
> based on upright relaxed riding.
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
>> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
>> height. 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a 
>> size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle 
>> height. 
>> Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. 
>> Thanks all.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
>>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>>> Doug Hansford
>>> Athens, Ga
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Richard Rose]

Does the orange one have a different spec than the new ones? The dropouts are perhaps different? Perhaps tire clearance as well? Just asking. The Roaduno changed my mind. I have a tigged Riv (Clem) and a fillet brazed one (Gus). So if I am to have a (completely unnecessary) third Riv I decided it should be fully lugged.:)Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 13, 2024, at 3:39 PM, Doug H.  wrote:I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for the heads up!DougOn Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? I have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. It’s NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up but decided I did not need it.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on that size.Thanks,DougOn Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!DougOn Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham wrote:Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.BrianOn Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest for that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is based on upright relaxed riding.On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle height. Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.DougOn Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:Frameset or complete would work. Doug HansfordAthens, Ga



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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good 
price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come 
along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for the 
heads up!
Doug

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? I 
> have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. It’s 
> NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a 
> previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up 
> but decided I did not need it.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I 
> could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on 
> that size.
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm 
>>> saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can 
>>> show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest for 
 that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
 preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
 based on upright relaxed riding.

 On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
> height. 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a 
> size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. 
> Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. 
> Thanks all.
>
> Doug
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>> Doug Hansford
>> Athens, Ga
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Richard Rose]

Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? I have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. It’s NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up but decided I did not need it.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on that size.Thanks,DougOn Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!DougOn Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham wrote:Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.BrianOn Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest for that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is based on upright relaxed riding.On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle height. Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.DougOn Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:Frameset or complete would work. Doug HansfordAthens, Ga



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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver crank surprise and the weight of things

[Ron Mc]

Kinda like alloy rims vs. steel, you'll notice the inertia difference 
between a heavy and light crank when climbing.  

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 12:01:42 PM UTC-6 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> I will say I was surprised when I weighed my 2 piece Silver crank (double) 
> vs the White Industries single that I planned to put on my Susie. The 
> Sliver was over a pound heavier. I think my Susie was under 30lbs but I 
> never weighed it. 
>
> I  usually don’t think much about the weight because of the racks and 
> loads I’m always carrying but some parts really are just crazy heavy!
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 6:16:21 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good Morning. First, I’d never really weighed either my Clem or Gus. Only 
>> thing I did was weigh myself on bathroom scale then repeat while holding 
>> the bike. If memory serves I was about 32lbs. for Clem & 34lbs. for Gus. I 
>> will finish putting the Clem back together while recording each of the 
>> component weights. I will then try to record an accurate total bike weight. 
>> If this cold spell continues I may do the same with the Gus. One motivation 
>> for this is the following Gus review;
>> [image: Rivendell-Gus-Boots-Willsen-Review-hero.jpeg]
>>
>> The Rivendell Gus Boots Willsen Hillibike Makes a Case for 550mm 
>> Chainstays 
>> 
>> bikerumor.com 
>> 
>> 
>> Ron has a nice Instagram with nice details on his Gus build. But, he 
>> claims 26-27 lbs.!!!
>> I questioned him about this expressing my dismay. His bike is a large as 
>> is mine. We have the same wheels (cliffhangers) but his hubs are lighter 
>> than mine I think. His tires (Ehline) are lighter than my Honchos. His is a 
>> modern 1x drivetrain (10 or 11?) with a White Industries crank. Mine is a 
>> Riv standard Silver wide/low with 7 speed Jim cassette. Both have B17’s. 
>> His post is a Thompson, mine is a Kalloy. We both have a Paul Boxcar stem. 
>> His persuader handlebar is aluminum, my Albacore is Chromo.
>> In short, I have a hard time seeing a 7-8lb. Difference given these 
>> differences. But, I now am beginning to comprehend how little things can 
>> add up. Whatever my Gus weighs I adore riding it. I might be over the moon 
>> if I could lose 7 lbs.!! And before anyone suggests I’d be better off just 
>> losing 7lbs. my weight is pretty optimized now.:)
>> I hope this helps.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:57 AM, Ed Fausto  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hi Richard (I hope I got your name right),
>>
>> Please provide more details.  Like you I have a 51 Gus and it weighs 
>> 40lbs and I am having second thoughts of bringing it to my next big trip.
>> I am thinking of bringing my 48 Hunqapillar but I prefer the ride quality 
>> of my Gus.
>> I also consider myself not a weight weenie when buying parts and 
>> accessories.
>> But after getting my Gus, it felt heavy compared to my 48 Hunqapillar 
>> (26"), 50 Atlantis (26") and 51 Appaloosa (650b).
>>
>> Thanks Richard!
>>
>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 9:05:10 AM UTC+8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am in the middle of a cold weather tear down / deep cleaning of my 
>>> Clem L. This project started with ordering a new chain & large chainring to 
>>> replace worn units. I start taking things apart and am unable to stop. 
>>> Bottom bracket felt crappy so took it out and everything was just really 
>>> dirty so I did not stop until I had a bare frame. In the process a couple 
>>> of interesting things were discovered.
>>> First item pertains to the new chainring for my Silver wide / low crank. 
>>> Its aluminum of course as described by Riv. What is interesting is the 
>>> original was steel and a relative boat anchor! This discovery led me down a 
>>> rabbit hole of weighing everything. I have never been a weight weenie even 
>>> less so since getting my Rivs. But, armed with a very accurate scale and a 
>>> driveway covered in snow I started taking notes...
>>> That aluminum chainring saved me 85 grams weighing in at a scant 58.5 
>>> grams vs the originals 163.5. Held in ones hand that felt like at least a 
>>> pound. I am curious about when Riv started making the larger rings out of 
>>> aluminum?
>>> The size 52 Clem L bare frame with headset cups installed weighs 2,932 
>>> grams or 6lbs. 7.4 ounces, topping my list of things I did not need to know.
>>> The bare fork is 1,063 grams or 2lbs. 5.5 ounces. I feel certain the 
>>> fork on my large Gus is twice that!
>>> My 650b cliffhanger wheels built with 36 hole deore hubs shod with 
>>> Simworks Homage tires mounted with tubes come out to 4lbs. 7.1 ounces rear 
>>> and 4lbs. 0.3 ounces front. Cassette and q.r. skewers not included.
>>> I will be weighing everything else before assembly but probably will not 
>>> bore the group with 

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver crank surprise and the weight of things

[Ryan Frahm]

I will say I was surprised when I weighed my 2 piece Silver crank (double) 
vs the White Industries single that I planned to put on my Susie. The 
Sliver was over a pound heavier. I think my Susie was under 30lbs but I 
never weighed it. 

I  usually don’t think much about the weight because of the racks and loads 
I’m always carrying but some parts really are just crazy heavy!

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 6:16:21 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good Morning. First, I’d never really weighed either my Clem or Gus. Only 
> thing I did was weigh myself on bathroom scale then repeat while holding 
> the bike. If memory serves I was about 32lbs. for Clem & 34lbs. for Gus. I 
> will finish putting the Clem back together while recording each of the 
> component weights. I will then try to record an accurate total bike weight. 
> If this cold spell continues I may do the same with the Gus. One motivation 
> for this is the following Gus review;
> [image: Rivendell-Gus-Boots-Willsen-Review-hero.jpeg]
>
> The Rivendell Gus Boots Willsen Hillibike Makes a Case for 550mm Chainstays 
> 
> bikerumor.com 
> 
> 
> Ron has a nice Instagram with nice details on his Gus build. But, he 
> claims 26-27 lbs.!!!
> I questioned him about this expressing my dismay. His bike is a large as 
> is mine. We have the same wheels (cliffhangers) but his hubs are lighter 
> than mine I think. His tires (Ehline) are lighter than my Honchos. His is a 
> modern 1x drivetrain (10 or 11?) with a White Industries crank. Mine is a 
> Riv standard Silver wide/low with 7 speed Jim cassette. Both have B17’s. 
> His post is a Thompson, mine is a Kalloy. We both have a Paul Boxcar stem. 
> His persuader handlebar is aluminum, my Albacore is Chromo.
> In short, I have a hard time seeing a 7-8lb. Difference given these 
> differences. But, I now am beginning to comprehend how little things can 
> add up. Whatever my Gus weighs I adore riding it. I might be over the moon 
> if I could lose 7 lbs.!! And before anyone suggests I’d be better off just 
> losing 7lbs. my weight is pretty optimized now.:)
> I hope this helps.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2024, at 12:57 AM, Ed Fausto  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi Richard (I hope I got your name right),
>
> Please provide more details.  Like you I have a 51 Gus and it weighs 40lbs 
> and I am having second thoughts of bringing it to my next big trip.
> I am thinking of bringing my 48 Hunqapillar but I prefer the ride quality 
> of my Gus.
> I also consider myself not a weight weenie when buying parts and 
> accessories.
> But after getting my Gus, it felt heavy compared to my 48 Hunqapillar 
> (26"), 50 Atlantis (26") and 51 Appaloosa (650b).
>
> Thanks Richard!
>
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 9:05:10 AM UTC+8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am in the middle of a cold weather tear down / deep cleaning of my Clem 
>> L. This project started with ordering a new chain & large chainring to 
>> replace worn units. I start taking things apart and am unable to stop. 
>> Bottom bracket felt crappy so took it out and everything was just really 
>> dirty so I did not stop until I had a bare frame. In the process a couple 
>> of interesting things were discovered.
>> First item pertains to the new chainring for my Silver wide / low crank. 
>> Its aluminum of course as described by Riv. What is interesting is the 
>> original was steel and a relative boat anchor! This discovery led me down a 
>> rabbit hole of weighing everything. I have never been a weight weenie even 
>> less so since getting my Rivs. But, armed with a very accurate scale and a 
>> driveway covered in snow I started taking notes...
>> That aluminum chainring saved me 85 grams weighing in at a scant 58.5 
>> grams vs the originals 163.5. Held in ones hand that felt like at least a 
>> pound. I am curious about when Riv started making the larger rings out of 
>> aluminum?
>> The size 52 Clem L bare frame with headset cups installed weighs 2,932 
>> grams or 6lbs. 7.4 ounces, topping my list of things I did not need to know.
>> The bare fork is 1,063 grams or 2lbs. 5.5 ounces. I feel certain the fork 
>> on my large Gus is twice that!
>> My 650b cliffhanger wheels built with 36 hole deore hubs shod with 
>> Simworks Homage tires mounted with tubes come out to 4lbs. 7.1 ounces rear 
>> and 4lbs. 0.3 ounces front. Cassette and q.r. skewers not included.
>> I will be weighing everything else before assembly but probably will not 
>> bore the group with the details. I will say this; I am very interested in 
>> why my Gus weighs at least 32lbs. while another guy's weighs 26! I must 
>> find out why.:)
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Re: [RBW] Grant's Mountain Today

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That could be fun! Here’s another view, this time from the air:



--Eric Norris
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> On Jan 13, 2024, at 6:33 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> Nice shot Eric
> 
> I was thinking about your shots these last couple of months because I've been 
> hitting the further reaches of Contra Costa County quite hard on Wandrer.  
> I've had a dozen different angles of Mount Diablo, from San Ramon/Danville to 
> the south Walnut Creek and Orinda to the West, Antioch and Pittsburg to the 
> North, even around the backside Brentwood, Clayton Morgan Territory to the 
> East.  We could do a photo-essay like the Hokusai 36 views.  
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> 
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 8:34:21 PM UTC-8 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>> Mt. Diablo, on a cold morning today, peeking out from under the clouds. Rain 
>> is coming tomorrow, but today was just cold and cloudy.
>> 
>> Shot on film with a Pentax camera on Kodak film. Processed and scanned at 
>> home.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug H.]

I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I 
could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on 
that size.
Thanks,
Doug

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham 
> wrote:
>
>> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm 
>> saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can 
>> show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest for 
>>> that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
>>> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
>>> based on upright relaxed riding.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
 published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
 height. 
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:

 I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 
 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
 that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.

 Doug

 On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

>
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
> Frameset or complete would work. 
> Doug Hansford
> Athens, Ga
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[RBW] Re: 5 Boro Bike Tour (was NYC Riv Ride?)

[Doug H.]

This is a ride I want to do in the next few years. I'll be looking forward 
to your ride report!
Doug

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 11:20:18 AM UTC-5 Joe in the Pay Area 
wrote:

> Andy, Enjoy The Ride !!! You're about to experience one of the greatest 
> cities in the world by pedaling it !!! Forget all the blather about this 
> tire and that chainring and just be a kid again, on a bike, with lots of 
> other bikes, and enjoy it. Go. Out. For. A. Ride. ("Mom? I'm goin' out on 
> my bike.") Maybe even put a baseball card in your spokes to make some 
> noise. Maybe some streamers too?
>
> I have ridden it many, many times, going way back when it was orange vests 
> from AYH, the ride's founder and sole sponsor (until some bank had to get 
> involved). ("AYH" = American Youth Hostels,  a great bike store in its own 
> right, and a go-to outdoor outfitter. R.I.P. AYH.) You'll be on roads that 
> normally won't allow you to enjoy the views you'll now be Inside Of! The 
> only time you can stop On Top Of The Verrazano Narrows Bridge is if a car 
> accident has stopped traffic, so how lucky are you that the span has been 
> closed Just For You?!
>
> It's a *ride*, Andy. There'll be skinny tire flyers there and also bikes 
> that have last seen daylight during the Truman Administration. But you, 
> Andy, you'll be exactly what you are, a tourist, a Cycling Tourist, with a 
> familiar bike under you and thousands of fellow pedalers surrounding you, 
> so sit back, find a cadence that allows you to see it all, and Enjoy The 
> Ride, kid.
>
> (And if you need a baseball card and a clothespin, lemme know. Alas...I'm 
> all out of streamers.)
>
> (And do your homework. If you spend a week in da Big Apple and don't eat 
> pizza at least 5 times, you've missed out.)
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 2:17:42 AM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> My wife and I did it a number of years ago (still 30,000 riders). It is 
>> an amazing roll through a city you never get to see in this way, even if 
>> you've ridden there before because you are able to look around which I 
>> couldn't when riding around NYC when I was there by myself with a bike. 
>>
>> Our approach was to park on Staten Island, take the ferry over  for the 
>> start. We were in the back half of the start after securing the rental bike 
>> my wife opted for. Rest and refreshment stops were packed with our 29,998 
>> friends each time we stopped. The Gowanus Expressway to Verrazano Park and 
>> the bridge was hot and both of use were out of water. By the time we got 
>> off the elevated highway and saw a food truck selling Gatorade we were 
>> pretty needy and the baseball stadium price for the 12 oz bottles was worth 
>> every penny. 
>>
>> The Verrazano Narrows Bridge on a bike is worth any hardship you endure 
>> on this ride. There will be refreshments, entertainment and food at the 
>> Staten Island afterparty. Many riders will rest, recharge and socialize 
>> before taking the ferries back over to Manhattan. I have no recs for 
>> whether to enjoy the music food and community or get on the ferr quickly. 
>> We just rode to the rent bike return site, loaded my bike in the car and 
>> faced essentially no traffic as we left the island towards Newark, NJ and 
>> home. 
>>
>> Fun ride, take pictures, report back.
>> [image: 0B26E98E-F3A4-4191-AF97-7C4A40824DE4_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> 2C0395CC-B633-4B93-A08A-3A5F91609ECF_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> 4B5A58FC-A919-480F-889A-7414E089FAE7_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> 282BD64D-6BD4-4A97-BAC3-C05153020A05_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> B6D93789-352B-4C47-A956-46287F639DE3_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> 8A3A12C3-0476-4C23-BA7F-FA59F5208F8E_1_105_c.jpeg]
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 10:05:33 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>>
>>> The 5 Boro Bike Tour in NYC has been on my bucket list for years, and I 
>>> decided this year is the year. First Sunday of May (5/5 this year).
>>> https://www.bike.nyc/events/td-five-boro-bike-tour/
>>> Registration opened this week, and I signed up.
>>> I've got my lodging and flight booked as well.
>>>
>>> This will be my first trip to NYC since I was a kid, 50 years ago. I 
>>> won't be bringing my Riv (Bringing the Ritchey Breakaway), but I'll be 
>>> there for a week, staying in midtown not far from ride start. 
>>> I'd love to meet up with others while I'm there, get recommendations on 
>>> where to ride, cheap food, coffee, bike shops, etc.
>>>
>>> Anyone else here doing the ride?
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

[Ron Mc]

I've made the switch to urethane tubes, too - used to run latex, but the 
stem glue started giving up on them.  
One problem with Scwalbe version, the plastic stems give up at the valve 
core, which is a terrible reason for an expensive tube to flat.  
So far, Tufo are my favorites, with brass stems - haven't flatted one yet.  
Amaing ride with linen-casing tires.  
On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 9:59:46 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:

> Well, I think I’ve made several of mine faster by mounting TPU tubes. Real 
> or imagined is anybody’s guess. For sure, my active imagination tells me 
> these bikes feel more lively and sound faster…meaning what I don’t know. 
> But I like the sound of my 5000s as they vibrate with these tubes. And what 
> is for certain, there is reduction in rotational weight. 
>
> Of course, I could also wear fine silk socks, maybe achieve same result. 
> YMMV. 
>
> Jock
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 2:35 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> This is hardly a new question for me or for others, but it is a question 
>> that strikes me anew when I ride the 1999 Joe Starck and find, once again 
>> as always in getting on for 25 years of ownership that *it's just easier 
>> to maintain speed and cadence in given conditions in given gears,* this 
>> both on the flats and on hills. I remember being struck by this, again at 
>> the start of each ride on it, in the first years of ownership.
>>
>> Tires make a difference, tho' it felt this way with 571 X 23 mm Conti 
>> Grands Prix and Michelin Pro Races and with 559 X 23 mm Specialized Turbos; 
>> with the slightly wider (27.19 mm rear at 60 psi and 27.49 mm front at 55 
>> psi on my 19 mm OW rims) and even lighter and more supple Elk Passes it 
>> feels even faster and *smoother.* 
>>
>> BTW, I wholly discountenance the opinion that harshness or vibration 
>> makes riders think they're going fast. At least, perhaps some people do 
>> that, but I've always associated harshness with slowness and smoothness 
>> with speed. But again, the '99 has always felt *smooth* and *fast.*
>>
>> What provoked this perennial question was my very pleasant mid-afternoon 
>> ride today. My route included about 1 mile of steep hill starting at 
>> Broadway and, feeling tired and sluggish and being old I considered 
>> swapping the Phil 17/19Dingle wheel (76" and 68") with the SA TF wheel (76" 
>> and 57" underdrive), but didn't want the bother and decided I'd just walk 
>> if necessary.
>>
>> I did plan to move the chain to the 19 t/68" gear once I got downtown, 
>> but didn't do this, either. Winds variable up to about 7-8 mph.
>>
>> I took it easy but found myself following some youngster on a thin-tire 
>> 700C derailleur hybrid for about 8 miles; I finally caught up to him at the 
>> first light on Coal and followed him up the climb. I think he was a UNM 
>> student and at least 45 years younger than I, and he put a few yards on me 
>> up the hill spinning in a low gear but I was surprised once again (this is 
>> the point, don't mind my meandering) at *how well and easily* the bike 
>> climbs.
>>
>> ???
>>
>> Planing? The frame is not as over-beefy as the 2003 Goodrich custom but 
>> it's not as light and certainly has fatter tubes than the wonderful 
>> thinwall 531 normal gauge 2020 Matthews replacement of the 2003.
>>
>> Weight? With the Phil it's right at 18 lb without bottle or bag versus 
>> ~28 for the Matthews road with F+R racks, fenders, lights, and SA 3 speed 
>> hub, and versus the 30-31 lb of the Matthews road-bike-for-dirt with 2X10 
>> derailleur drivetrain, 50 mm tires, 2X gauge fenders, dynamo lighting, and 
>> rear rack. But it feels fast on the flats at steady-state cruising. I 
>> daresay that the weight makes a difference on hills, but I *don't* think 
>> that weight is the only reason.
>>
>> I know that some bikes just fit and feel "perfect," and this is one of 
>> them (tho' the 2 Matthewses fit just about the same since I built them up 
>> to do so). That old Herse was a tank that 2 earlier owners sold for cheap 
>> but for me it rode "fast" if not as fast as the 1999 Joe Starck.
>>
>> To end this meandering: since so much of my riding is either errands 
>> requiring bags or dirt requiring fat tires the 1999 gets ridden less than 
>> it otherwise would, but if I had to get ride of all bikes but one, I'd 
>> happily keep this and build 1 or 2 alternative wheelsets (geared/skinny, 
>> geared/fattish) and buy a bit selection of strap-on saddlebags from repair 
>> kit only to Sackville Medium.
>>
>> I've owned 5 Rivendells including 3 customs and this one is the last 
>> (tho' the 2020 Matthews is a copy of the 2003).
>>
>> Sorry, can't resist posting again:
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>> -- 
>>
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Why do some bikes just feel consistently faster?

[Bill Lindsay]

In this year's revisiting of this topic, have you picked up anything new?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 3:37:33 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 2:40 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Responding to Bill L's 2nd thought experiment, here's my quick $0.02 
>> (can't find the cent key)
>>
>> Is Cyclist A's bike fast?  
>> It's as fast they like it to be.  They report 'happy' not necessarily fast
>>
>> Is the magical encouragement claimed by Cyclist B all in their head?
>> No, with the initial gearing, they felt a higher gear would be ok and it 
>> worked out to be so.   Good for them
>>
>> Is "a slightly under geared bike" and "encourages me to ride one cog 
>> smaller" the exact same thing?
>> Good point, in this case it seems to be.
>>
>
> For what it's worth, my "one gear higher" is based on a years' long 
> comfortable cruising gear, or very small range, basically 70-72" for a 
> heavier bike that carries loads. When I say that a bike encourages a gear 1 
> tooth smaller, that means about 75" instead of about 70". For the Herse and 
> the Matthews #1, for example, that meant I'd feel like riding a ~74-75" 
> gear in the same conditions that for the 2003 Curt I'd feel most 
> comfortable in a ~70" gear. 
>
>
>> Assumptions
>> 1  both bikes have same tubing since weight is given as 17# for both with 
>> no qualifications for other components
>> 2  A and B weigh about the same, within 20#
>>
>> Observation
>> The gearing change was about 6% higher in both cases or about 4.4gi if 
>> using 700x32 tires (74.4gi to 78.8gi).  This is pretty much my upper 
>> cruising range, so we are not talking hills.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 02:03:29 PM EST, Bill Lindsay <
>> tape...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> I only got one taker on my last thought experiment.  Here's another one:
>>
>> Cyclist A has a 17-pound fixie.  They take a guess at a gear for the 
>> fixie, install a 49x18 and ride it around.  They decide "This seems a 
>> little under geared." and they switch the 18 tooth cog for a 17.  They ride 
>> that and decide "this is just right" and ride the bike happily
>>
>> Cyclist B has a 17-pound fixie.  They take a guess at a gear for the 
>> fixie, install a 49x18 and declare this is "usual". They ride it around and 
>> find the bicycle encourages them to ride one tooth smaller.  They obey the 
>> bicycle's encouragement and switch the 18 tooth cog for a 17.  They ride 
>> that happily, and ask everyone around them "What makes this bike encourage 
>> me to ride one tooth smaller than usual, consistently?"  
>>
>> Is Cyclist A's bike fast?  Is the magical encouragement claimed by 
>> Cyclist B all in their head?  Is "a slightly under geared bike" and 
>> "encourages me to ride one cog smaller" the exact same thing?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:42:00 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> OK, thought experiment time!  
>>
>> You have to build four bikes. All four bikes must fit you identically.  
>> All the contact points of all four bikes will be identical.  All four bikes 
>> will have geometry/handling that are similar enough to each other that 
>> you'll concede they ride/handle the same.
>>
>> Bike A is for sand and has 3.0" wide tires and weighs 30 pounds
>> Bike B is for grocery runs, pavement and firm dirt.  It's got front and 
>> rear derailleurs and weighs 30 pounds unloaded and 75 pounds with groceries
>> Bike C has an IGH and is used for pavement and grocery runs.  It weighs 
>> 28 pounds unloaded and 73 pounds with groceries
>> Bike D is a stripped down fixie for unloaded pavement rides only.  It 
>> weighs 17 pounds
>>
>> You mostly ride bikes A, B and C.  Every once in a while you ride bike D 
>> and every time you do, it feels amazingly fast and easy to pedal.  
>>
>> Question:  Why does Bike D feel fast and easy to pedal?  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 10:12:25 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> All bikes have the same effective sta: the 1999 and the Matthews #2 clone 
>> both have 73* stas, and the Matthews #1 has the saddle forward on the rails 
>> to compensate for the 72* sta. I start setup with saddle height and setback 
>> wrt the bb centerline -- pretty close to identical for all my bikes -- and 
>> use the saddle to gauge bar and brake lever position.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 2:49 PM 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW 
>> Owners Bunch  wrote:
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> Maybe this was asked/answered, but is the STA or saddle setback the same 
>> on Ford Blue as the others??   Are you in a different position??
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 5:35:08 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> This is hardly a new question for me or for others, but it is a question 
>> that strikes me anew when I ride the 1999 Joe Starck 

[RBW] Re: Grant's Mountain Today

[Bill Lindsay]

Nice shot Eric

I was thinking about your shots these last couple of months because I've 
been hitting the further reaches of Contra Costa County quite hard on 
Wandrer.  I've had a dozen different angles of Mount Diablo, from San 
Ramon/Danville to the south Walnut Creek and Orinda to the West, Antioch 
and Pittsburg to the North, even around the backside Brentwood, Clayton 
Morgan Territory to the East.  We could do a photo-essay like the Hokusai 
36 views.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 8:34:21 PM UTC-8 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Mt. Diablo, on a cold morning today, peeking out from under the clouds. 
> Rain is coming tomorrow, but today was just cold and cloudy.
>
> Shot on film with a Pentax camera on Kodak film. Processed and scanned at 
> home.
>
> [image: img20240112_20005506.jpeg]
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
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>
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