[RBW] Re: FS: Alpacka Packraft Setup + Aquabound Paddle

[Mike Godwin]

There is a story in Adventure Cyclist of some guys out of Fairbanks riding 
mtbs along the Alaska Range (west to east) and used home-made pack rafts to 
ford water ways. 250 miles IIRC. The author of that article is also in a 
Scientific American from a few months back, helping out with water surveys 
in the Brooks Range. Using packrafts again! I think he is a math prof at 
UA-Fairbanks, and used his wilderness skills to assist with the water 
surveys. The term water surveys is used very lightly - melting permafrost 
is causing biochemical reactions in the peat and soil layers, and releasing 
metal oxides into the streams and turning them orange. 

Mike SLO CA

On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 2:15:15 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> The rivers are calling, summer is coming...and the setup is still 
> available...
>
> Collin in Berktown
>
> On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 12:16:55 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> It is with a heavy feeling in my gut that I am posting my packraft setup 
>> for sale. I haven't used it since I moved away from Sacramento and I don't 
>> forsee it being something I continue with.
>>
>> Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/wANwCsEVy5zK242K9
>> Asking for $1000 shipped (plus 3% to cover G fees) for everything.
>>
>> You'll get:
>>
>>- Alpacka Carribou Bikerafting Raft - just the basic one (no bailer 
>>or internal storage) that comes in at about 5 lbs in blue. Comes with the 
>>seat, inflation bag, storage sack, and a mini-repair setup. No tears, 
>>abrasions, repairs, etc. Only used in freshwater, and cleaned/air dried 
>>after every use.
>>   - https://www.alpackaraft.com/products/caribou
>>   - Aquabound Whisky 4-piece fiberglass paddle in *sunwave*. This is 
>>*light* and packs down small for easy carrying on the bike. It was 
>>bought as a cosmetic second so its got some inconsistencies in the epoxy, 
>>but is structurally sound. There is one itty bitty chip in one of the 
>>paddles in the outermost layer, but otherwise pretty good condition. 
>> 200cm 
>>length
>>   - Whiskey Fiberglass 4-Piece Straight Shaft Kayak Paddle | Aqua 
>>   Bound 
>>   
>> 
>>   - Not pictured, but a little waterproof holder to hang onto your 
>>phone, wallet, etc. very useful in keeping the important stuff dry.
>>   - https://www.alpackaraft.com/products/lap-bag
>>   
>> Backstory:
>> I picked up the raft and paddle in mid-COVID (Spring 2021) and used it 
>> extensively with my appaloosa during my time in Sacramento - pedaling up 
>> the American River Trail to the Nimbus fish hatchery and then paddling down 
>> the river back to paradise beach in Sacramento (about 3-4 hours of 
>> leisurely floating). I also used it once for camping up at Folsom lake 
>> Peninsula Campground, which was a hoot and mildly scary.
>>
>> It served as a great extension to my normal bike rides during the hot 
>> summer months and the weird time of COVID, and really opened up my eyes to 
>> what you can accomplish via bike. If you have a river near you, I'd 
>> strongly recommend giving it a shot.
>>
>> Collin in Riverless Berkeley
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

[Kim H.]

@Roy -

I thank-you for your reality check and viewpoints about a roller guide
application. I will be using the 135 degree noodle as Allan has suggested.

Furthermore, I appreciate your comments that my cable should work better as
long as I don’t make the cable loop too tight. In using Teflon lined
housing, stainless cables, and a drop of light oil, I will be good to go.I
will take these into consideration. Back in the 70s', there was cable
housing called "elephant housing".

Thank-you.
Kim Hetzel.

On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 5:43 PM Roy Summer  wrote:

>
> The roller set up doesn’t really reduce friction as the cable rubs the
> roller and the roller turns as well.  The roller guide often moves and
> causes cable issues if you’re not careful moving the bike or loading a
> rack. The first set up (blue bike) should work better as long as you don’t
> make the cable loop too tight. Use Teflon lined housing, stainless cables,
> and a drop of light oil, and you’ll be good to go.
> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 7:28:13 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I currently have the standard cable routing for my rear cantilever
>> brakes. The cable and housing runs up the top low bar onto the seat tube
>> and up and over the seat stay into a cable housing guide off of the seat
>> post binder bolt. See first attached picture.
>>
>> My question is would there be less friction of having the cable and
>> housing run in the same route as above, except for having it run through a 
>> DIA-COMPE
>> center pull cable pulley roller mounted off the the seat binder bolt with a
>> longer seat binder bolt ?  See second attached picture.
>>
>> What are your thoughts and feedback ?
>>
>> Would there be any differences ?
>>
>> Thank-you,
>> Kim Hetzel.
>> [image: Nitto S83 Seat post 2mmm.jpg][image: xjeovlzsunac1.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Soliciting opinions: help me pick the right Rivendell

[Pam Bikes]

Steve - I'm so glad you are enjoying your Platypus.  I've never thought of 
having black fenders.  They look handsome on your bike.

On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 1:49:25 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Another Platypus recommendation:
> [image: 4D7C22F7-27BF-4ACD-9875-E249DD1C4999_1_201_a.jpeg]
>
> On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 11:35:40 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2024, at 11:34 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> “I’m tired of projects. Wrenching is fun but riding is better, and it 
>> was never my goal to be a collector of anything. So, instead of trying to 
>> make all these old bikes “like” the bike that I want, I’m just going to 
>> actually go and get what I want and then be done with it for awhile.”
>>
>>
>> This quote resonates. I hate to see collections of bikes. I love to see 
>> bikes that are actually RIDDEN. It’s such a pleasure to see the beausage 
>> and personalization on a well-loved bike (do you know Pam Murray yet?). Get 
>> what you want, ride off into the sunset and be delighted every darn day 
>> after.
>>
>> I know my answer is predictable, but I think you should consider the 
>> Platypus. I have 2 built and am waiting on super specialty parts for a 3rd. 
>> I have them all set up differently - they are not a collection; they are 
>> all used and loved and ridden. Well, not the unbuilt one, but it will be 
>> soon! They are so easy and so comfortable, and if you’ve never had a mixte 
>> frame you owe it to yourself to get one. They are so practical that I don’t 
>> know why everyone doesn’t have one. Want to load up the back rack and not 
>> kill yourself trying to mount the bike? Get a mixte. Want to be able to 
>> suddenly stop and jump off the bike, no big deal? Mixte. Want to look 
>> dapper and whimsical and romantic? Mixte. I’ve ridden mine on gravel rides. 
>> Paved rides. Club rides. Grocery rides. I run errands and shop and I have 
>> the best time. There are a million threads about the most famous of the 
>> mixtes, Pam’s Rivendell Betty Foy, which has 76k miles on it now and she 
>> has been everywhere with it. Planes, trains, overnights, camping, major US 
>> cities, middle of nowhere, you name it. I never get tired, it’s a bike I 
>> can ride forever.
>>
>> Get the mixte!
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: Soliciting opinions: help me pick the right Rivendell

[Pam Bikes]

Platypus mixte.  I have the Betty Foy and use it for everything.  As Steve 
can tell you, I think he likes his alot.  I'm in Charlotte and have a 
Cheviot you can try.  It's the predecessor to the Platypus so it'd give you 
an idea.  Everyone who tries the Cheviot says it's the most comfortable 
bike they've ridden.  I ride mine daily and even if I'm under biking 
sometimes, it's always up to the challenge.

On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 1:49:25 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Another Platypus recommendation:
> [image: 4D7C22F7-27BF-4ACD-9875-E249DD1C4999_1_201_a.jpeg]
>
> On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 11:35:40 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2024, at 11:34 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> “I’m tired of projects. Wrenching is fun but riding is better, and it 
>> was never my goal to be a collector of anything. So, instead of trying to 
>> make all these old bikes “like” the bike that I want, I’m just going to 
>> actually go and get what I want and then be done with it for awhile.”
>>
>>
>> This quote resonates. I hate to see collections of bikes. I love to see 
>> bikes that are actually RIDDEN. It’s such a pleasure to see the beausage 
>> and personalization on a well-loved bike (do you know Pam Murray yet?). Get 
>> what you want, ride off into the sunset and be delighted every darn day 
>> after.
>>
>> I know my answer is predictable, but I think you should consider the 
>> Platypus. I have 2 built and am waiting on super specialty parts for a 3rd. 
>> I have them all set up differently - they are not a collection; they are 
>> all used and loved and ridden. Well, not the unbuilt one, but it will be 
>> soon! They are so easy and so comfortable, and if you’ve never had a mixte 
>> frame you owe it to yourself to get one. They are so practical that I don’t 
>> know why everyone doesn’t have one. Want to load up the back rack and not 
>> kill yourself trying to mount the bike? Get a mixte. Want to be able to 
>> suddenly stop and jump off the bike, no big deal? Mixte. Want to look 
>> dapper and whimsical and romantic? Mixte. I’ve ridden mine on gravel rides. 
>> Paved rides. Club rides. Grocery rides. I run errands and shop and I have 
>> the best time. There are a million threads about the most famous of the 
>> mixtes, Pam’s Rivendell Betty Foy, which has 76k miles on it now and she 
>> has been everywhere with it. Planes, trains, overnights, camping, major US 
>> cities, middle of nowhere, you name it. I never get tired, it’s a bike I 
>> can ride forever.
>>
>> Get the mixte!
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report--'24 Diablo Summit #3 and first big ride on RoadeoRosa

[Bill Lindsay]

Today I did '24 Diablo Summit #4 on my fourth different bike, my Black 
Mountain Model Zero.  This time I took a bunch of alternate routes on a few 
of the trails of Mount Diablo, partially to prepare for the burliest ride 
of the year, the Marin Mountains 200k in June.  There was quite a lot of 
snow remaining near the summit from this week's cold snap.  It was cool but 
not terribly cold.  The trails I decided to explore included a bunch that 
were far too steep to ride, so I used the 24" gear (slang for walking). 
 Only 32 miles, but 5600 feet of climbing.  I had made a S.M.A.R.T. goal to 
summit Diablo 5 times on 5 bikes, and now it looks like I may do it every 
month of the year.  Speaking of every month, I'm working on an R12, and my 
April 200k is on Sunday the 14th, which I'll do on the pink Roadeo.  It's 
looking like the cold wet Calfornia Winter may be completely over.  Snow on 
Mount Diablo today and the weather app says Walnut Creek will be in the 80s 
mid-week.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, March 16, 2024 at 3:19:59 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> This morning I rode out my front door in El Cerrito to the Summit of Mount 
> Diablo.  It was my first big ride on my new pink Roadeo, having tackled the 
> travails of Rene Herse Cantilevers and having just set up a new pair of 
> tubeless Rene Herse Orondo Grade tires.  It was in the high 40s when I 
> left, just before sunrise.  As soon as the sun came out it warmed up quite 
> a bit and was a beautiful breezy Spring Day.  
>
> The bike was perfect, the tires were splendid.  Despite the planing 
> devotees telling me the Roadeo is over-stiff I respectfully disagree.  I 
> posted my second best time on Strava, which I'm pleased with, all things 
> considered.  I got after it pretty good.  I think when I posted my best 
> time I was 10lbs lighter, during my coaching days.  
>
> After the descent I headed to Walnut Creek BART, but of course paid a 
> short social visit at Riv HQ.  Grant was there, and he grabbed my bike and 
> went and rode it around.  The big surprise was Manny was there.  I got to 
> meet his delightful young daughter.  Grant reported that my bike rides 
> great, and approved of my build.  We chatted for a little while, and off I 
> went.  
>
> 70miles, 5300ft.  Multiple compliments received on my pink bike and 
> matching pink socks.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Yet Another Garage Sale

[Collin A]

Ugh, photos are here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/2q2EdEo1398n17rq6

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[RBW] Re: FS: Alpacka Packraft Setup + Aquabound Paddle

[Collin A]

The rivers are calling, summer is coming...and the setup is still 
available...

Collin in Berktown

On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 12:16:55 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> Folks,
>
> It is with a heavy feeling in my gut that I am posting my packraft setup 
> for sale. I haven't used it since I moved away from Sacramento and I don't 
> forsee it being something I continue with.
>
> Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/wANwCsEVy5zK242K9
> Asking for $1000 shipped (plus 3% to cover G fees) for everything.
>
> You'll get:
>
>- Alpacka Carribou Bikerafting Raft - just the basic one (no bailer or 
>internal storage) that comes in at about 5 lbs in blue. Comes with the 
>seat, inflation bag, storage sack, and a mini-repair setup. No tears, 
>abrasions, repairs, etc. Only used in freshwater, and cleaned/air dried 
>after every use.
>   - https://www.alpackaraft.com/products/caribou
>   - Aquabound Whisky 4-piece fiberglass paddle in *sunwave*. This is 
>*light* and packs down small for easy carrying on the bike. It was 
>bought as a cosmetic second so its got some inconsistencies in the epoxy, 
>but is structurally sound. There is one itty bitty chip in one of the 
>paddles in the outermost layer, but otherwise pretty good condition. 200cm 
>length
>   - Whiskey Fiberglass 4-Piece Straight Shaft Kayak Paddle | Aqua 
>   Bound 
>   
> 
>   - Not pictured, but a little waterproof holder to hang onto your 
>phone, wallet, etc. very useful in keeping the important stuff dry.
>   - https://www.alpackaraft.com/products/lap-bag
>   
> Backstory:
> I picked up the raft and paddle in mid-COVID (Spring 2021) and used it 
> extensively with my appaloosa during my time in Sacramento - pedaling up 
> the American River Trail to the Nimbus fish hatchery and then paddling down 
> the river back to paradise beach in Sacramento (about 3-4 hours of 
> leisurely floating). I also used it once for camping up at Folsom lake 
> Peninsula Campground, which was a hoot and mildly scary.
>
> It served as a great extension to my normal bike rides during the hot 
> summer months and the weird time of COVID, and really opened up my eyes to 
> what you can accomplish via bike. If you have a river near you, I'd 
> strongly recommend giving it a shot.
>
> Collin in Riverless Berkeley
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Yet Another Garage Sale

[Collin A]

Folks,

Continuing the purge of parts - some great, some that may help you tinker 
and figure out what would work best for your setup. All prices include 
shipping, discounts for multiple items!

Photos here:

   - XTR M900 Front Triple, bottom pull for 28.6 seat tube- excellent 
   condition, works great on doubles, too, specifically a 42/24 on my Joe. 
   *$50*
   - Vittoria Corsa 700x34 N.Ext, tube-type only. These have about 
   200-or-so miles. Lighter (230g measured), faster, and more durable (so far) 
   than the RH 700x32 extralight equivalents, IMO. Measure out to about 33 mm 
   on 19mm ID rims at 45 psi. *$80*
   - Wolftooth 110 bcd 42t narrow-wide. About 100 commute miles on these. 
   *$40*
   - White Industries 68x113 BB Spindle. *ONLY the spindle*, good deal if 
   you have another length WI BB and want to try a 113 instead. *$30*
   - Deore M591 long cage rear derailleur, silver - Shows some 
   wear-and-tear, but shifts up to a 42t 10 speed cassette. *$30*
   - Deore M5000 10 speed 11-42 cassette - effectively new, but mounted and 
   ridden around the block. *$30*
   - Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, new except for some block miles. 
   Waxed with silca chain wax if that's your thing. *$40* (I can include 2, 
   10 speed quick links for another $5 to help with resuse during hot-pot 
   waxing).
   - Ultegra 10 speed 114 link chain, about 100 commute miles on this guy. 
   Used T-9 chain lube on this one. *$25*
   - Microshift 2/3x10 thumbie shifters. The front is friction, and the 
   rear was originally a 9-speed, but I replaced the detents on them to make 
   it the old 10 speed road pull. I also have the old 9 speed detents if you 
   want it back to that. Can be used with old 9 speed mountain rear 
   derailleurs to index it over a 10 speed cassette *$50*
   - IRD 28t 74 BCD 11 speed chainrings. One shows wear form just trying 
   something out on the stand, the other is brand new, never mounted. *$40*
   - Silca Tubeless Setup, 16 oz Part 1 and 32 oz Part 2 (replenisher). 
   New, never used. *$50*
   - Some 9 speed cassettes 1x sram 11-34, 1x shimano hg400 11-36 megarange 
   type, 1xmicroshift 11-36. All steel cogs on these suckers. *$15 each*

I'm a little short on boxes for everything, so again I encourage picking up 
a few things instead of just one :)

Cheers,
Collin in Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Billie bars

[eddietheflay]

I have some shims that would allow smaller diameter bars to be installed.

On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 7:30:20 AM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote:

> Been installed but so damn close to perfect condition...a photo can't show 
> the teeny tiny nicks. $110 shipped.

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Re: [RBW] Gearing Choices

[Ted Durant]

On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 7:44:35 PM UTC-5 george schick wrote:

I'm apparently of the same ilk as Bill.  I'm using a Shimano Crane RD 
(their predecessor to the Dura-Ace line) on a Fuji Finest of the same time 
period, very early 70's, and it looks just fine on there.


I’m working from a much more modern source of inspiration … my 1979 Fuji 
America.:-) 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA 

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Re: [RBW] Gearing Choices

[Ted Durant]

On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 12:21:15 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

I run the gearing that I do (13-34 7s with 46-34-22 up front) solely 
because it allows me to run my Suntour XC three-pulley rd! Admittedly the 
45T chain wrap is nine above the stated 36T maximum but still :)

Bravo! That derailer gets no love from Disraeligears but it has a warm spot 
in my heart. Wacky, clever engineering.

Also, an update here … I added a pristine Cyclone GT to my collection. I 
decided to put the SunTours on my Breadwinner, which has an 11-speed setup, 
to see how they’d manage the required sweep. They don’t. One of the issues 
on that bike is that it’s a 140mm through-axle rear, and the first cog is a 
pretty long way from the face of the derailer hanger. I did a quick look at 
some other bikes, and it appears the derailer hanger-to-first cog distance 
varies by quite a bit.  That will definitely have an impact on whether an 
old derailer has enough sweep for a given setup.  

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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[RBW] 61cm Mermaid Roadini

[R Olson]

Hi All,

Does anyone want to buy my 61 cm Mermaid Roadini?  Was thinking about 
getting a Roaduno and would need to sell this bike to get it, so just 
putting some feelers out. 

Here are the deets:

Frame and fork:  61cm Mermaid Roadini 

Headset:  FSA, silver

Stem:  Technomic 120mm with shim (26.0 diameter)

Handlebars:  Nitto Albatross with orange Ouray grips, purple shellac’d 
Neubaums cloth tape.  Crane bell!

Brake Levers:  Shimano short pull, black

Shifters:  Shimano Dura-Ace bar ends

Brakes:  Tektro R559 long reach, black

Crank:  178mm Silver triple

Bottom Bracket:  IRD QB55-113mm

Front Derailer: Microshift, silver 

Rear Derailer:  Shimano Sora, black

Wheels:  Handbuilt by Black Mountain Cycles, maybe 5 miles on them, 36h 
F/R, Black Velocity A23 Rims, Shimano RS400 hubs, new 9-spd cassette

Tires:  Lightly used Gravel Kings, 700x38’s, gum wall

Seatpost:  Standard 26.8mm diameter single bolt that came with the frame, 
silver.

Other notes:

Brand new 114 link SRAM chain.  Bottle cages included, pedals not 
included.  Brooks B17 on the bike in the pictures is not included, however, 
I can include either the Selle Italia or the black Brooks Cambium C17 that 
I have and show in the album at the attached link, both in great shape, 
lightly used.  

The one flaw on the bike is that the right downtube shifter boss has a 
screw seized in it, so don’t plan on using a downtube shifter unless you 
can get it out.  I’ve included a picture of it for your information.  The 
bike works great as is with the bar end shifters.  The left boss is fine.  
  Otherwise, the frame is in good shape, a few nicks from regular use, but 
no dents and no crashes.

So, given that, I was hoping for maybe $1200 total packed and shipped for 
the bike?  Is that fair? Also would sell the F/F/HS/BB.  Make an offer on 
that if interested. 

Here are the pictures:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ASqf8kezsyRv3t9p6

Thanks,

Ryan

 

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[RBW] Rivendell BETTY FOY..She's a Beauty!

[Karen S]

Also posted San Fancisco Bay Area and Austin, TX Craig's List

SELLING AN EXCELLENT / Like New CONDITION RIVENDELL BETTY FOY BICYCLE—She’s 
a Beauty!

This hybrid road / touring bike is gorgeous and iconic! No longer sold new. 
As you can see, the color is beautiful and the custom Betty Foy design 
touches, including the embossed and red painted hearts, are classic. Three 
gears at the front and eight at the back for a versatile 24 total. 

Owner purchased directly from Rivendell February 2013, just after 
retirement, but unfortunately medical care for multiple family members took 
over. This Betty has been hanging in a protected garage, after only light 
use. No scratches. The pictures reflect the like-new condition with only 
light garage dust and deflated tires. 

Frame Size 62 cm perfect for a tall rider
28 “ wheels
Build Kit - 700 - Upright Bar Sam Jumbo
MKS Grip King Pedals
Nitto Mark’s Rack M1
Brooks B67s Saddle in Honey
Wald Wire Basket
No kickstand, thus the bike helmet for purposes of picture display. 

ASKING PRICE: $ 1,700 (plus shipping) with free pickup in Austin, Texas. If 
shipping is needed, recommend using Bike Flights at this website: 
https://www.bikeflights.com/bicycleshops#bikeShopResults and seller will 
work with the buyer to facilitate the process. Payment to seller will be 
via wire transfer once the bike is professionally packed and ready for 
shipping via UPS. Bike Flights offers extremely reasonable insurance. 

This bike is begging to go on the road!

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[RBW] Re: Soliciting opinions: help me pick the right Rivendell

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

“I’m tired of projects. Wrenching is fun but riding is better, and it was 
never my goal to be a collector of anything. So, instead of trying to make 
all these old bikes “like” the bike that I want, I’m just going to actually 
go and get what I want and then be done with it for awhile.”

This quote resonates. I hate to see collections of bikes. I love to see 
bikes that are actually RIDDEN. It’s such a pleasure to see the beausage 
and personalization on a well-loved bike (do you know Pam Murray yet?). Get 
what you want, ride off into the sunset and be delighted every darn day 
after.

I know my answer is predictable, but I think you should consider the 
Platypus. I have 2 built and am waiting on super specialty parts for a 3rd. 
I have them all set up differently - they are not a collection; they are 
all used and loved and ridden. Well, not the unbuilt one, but it will be 
soon! They are so easy and so comfortable, and if you’ve never had a mixte 
frame you owe it to yourself to get one. They are so practical that I don’t 
know why everyone doesn’t have one. Want to load up the back rack and not 
kill yourself trying to mount the bike? Get a mixte. Want to be able to 
suddenly stop and jump off the bike, no big deal? Mixte. Want to look 
dapper and whimsical and romantic? Mixte. I’ve ridden mine on gravel rides. 
Paved rides. Club rides. Grocery rides. I run errands and shop and I have 
the best time. There are a million threads about the most famous of the 
mixtes, Pam’s Rivendell Betty Foy, which has 76k miles on it now and she 
has been everywhere with it. Planes, trains, overnights, camping, major US 
cities, middle of nowhere, you name it. I never get tired, it’s a bike I 
can ride forever.

Get the mixte!
Leah

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[RBW] Re: NBD Leo Roadini

[DavidP]

Congrats on the new bike, Scott! Looks like a great build and a wonderful 
riding location!

-Dave

On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 10:20:31 AM UTC-4 R. Scott Lake wrote:

> [image: IMG_6743.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: NBD Leo Roadini

[Doug H.]

That is a fine looking bicycle Scott. I hope you enjoy many miles of 
cycling on your new Leo Roadini. I will join you in the Roadini club soon.
Doug

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soliciting opinions: help me pick the right Rivendell

[Richard Rose]

I am curious about the specific nature of the trails you ride. Smooth dirt? Rocks & Roots? Lots of twists & turns? If pretty much innocuous I haven’t much to add to the conversation. But if the trails you ride get a little rowdy grab yourself a lugged Susie (or any Susie/Gus). Truly capable mtb’s and smooth as silk on pavement / gravel. Get yourself a second set of wheels reserved for dedicated pavement rides.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 6, 2024, at 8:58 AM, DavidP  wrote:"My ideal bike would be something that could ride 15-20 miles to the trail and then 10-15 more on the trail. And also manage chipotle, beer, and post office runs."That's about 60/40 pavement/trail, add in the errands and other stuff and it's more like 70/30.What tire size is ideal for the trails you are riding? What tire size is the minimum to enjoy them? I'd probably try to aim for something in the lower half of that range given the pavement/trail mix and desire for the bike to feel sporty.If the tire size is less than 2" then that opens up the Sam (48s w/o fenders). If you'd rather have something in the 2" - 2.25" range that's Appaloosa, Atlantis, Platypus territory. Larger than that Clem or Susie.-DaveOn Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 5:50:01 AM UTC-4 Ed Carolipio wrote:Sounds like you want the OG - the Atlantis. Here's Ron talking about his third Atlantis, which is also the bike he bent the Albatross for to create the Ortho bar:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_0qSPMps48The Sam is also a good alternative: shorter chainstays and a slightly lighter frame. I don't own one but people report it is a bit nimbler on the trails than the longer chainstay models.I'd exclude the Clem, the Susie/Gus, the Appaloosa, and the Platypus since IMO they won't work as well with bendy bars with their longish front-centers. I'd exclude the AHH, the Roadini, and the Roadeo since all take caliper brakes which limits the tire widths for off road or unpaved riding.Good luck and hope you find a bike (Riv or otherwise) that helps you with your bike journey.--Ed C.Redondo Beach, CAOn Friday, April 5, 2024 at 5:43:49 PM UTC-7 Bud Suttree wrote:Hi all,

Been enjoying these forums for a while now, with my first post I’d like to lean on the immense collective wisdom here and get some help with picking out the right Rivendell model. I’ve done quite a lot of personal research and spoken to Riv at least once but would like to open things up to the group for general discussion. 

Short sketch of my problem: I love bicycles, but haven’t enjoyed riding them in a long time. I have quite a few, and they all are unpleasant to ride for one reason or another. My priorities are, in descending order: comfort, performance (perceived), utility, price/aesthetics (tie), performance (actual), and at the end would be the ability to do any outer-boundary/end-of-spectrum type activity, riding across the country or racing crits, etc. My ideal bike would be something that could ride 15-20 miles to the trail and then 10-15 more on the trail. And also manage chipotle, beer, and post office runs. 

Every time I browse the Riv offerings I become convinced I need a different model. I’m thinking maybe the Atlantis would suit me, but I don’t necessarily love the double top tube, and I’d probably be between the 57 and 59. The Appaloosa seems pretty similar, but I’m not crazy about either of the current colors. Can’t say I can tell the difference between that one and the Sam, but I like the Sam aesthetic better. I’m also tempted by the gold Susie/Wolbis, but since I’ll be riding mostly around town, worry that it might not feel as agile as the bikes I’m use to riding do.

That’s the short version — would welcome any takes or opinions. 

Longer story:

Like the rest of you, I love bicycles. A substantial amount of my attention is given to them, day after day, in one way or another. Unfortunately, lately this has not translated into actually riding them very often. It’s a paradoxical state, induced by having too many (project) bikes, none of which I can tolerate to ride for more than half an hour. It’s mostly a comfort issue. FWIW, I am a not unhealthy late 20something male with probably poorish posture from desk-jockeying. I rode an aluminum Cannondale road bike daily for five years, crashed, broke some bones and swore it off for two, then entered this present cycle. 

Economic realities necessitate the need to flip bikes and parts to fund the passion. Maybe you think that’s a dirty trade; most are. I’ve had the good fortune to pick up an outrageously rare old school BMX bike for essentially nothing that should cover a very nice Rivendell build, and hopefully obviate the need to engage in as much cycling commerce. 

Along the way, I’ve acquired an interesting stable:

93 Bridgestone RB-1 and MB-2
Custom 90s Ciocc w/ Columbus EL and Chorus
93ish lugged Trek 990
1985 Trek 620

and a cache of interesting parts, so it’s not been for nothing, but I don’t like riding any of those bikes. Had (still have?) big 

[RBW] Re: Soliciting opinions: help me pick the right Rivendell

[DavidP]

"My ideal bike would be something that could ride 15-20 miles to the trail 
and then 10-15 more on the trail. And also manage chipotle, beer, and post 
office runs."

That's about 60/40 pavement/trail, add in the errands and other stuff and 
it's more like 70/30.

What tire size is ideal for the trails you are riding? What tire size is 
the minimum to enjoy them? I'd probably try to aim for something in the 
lower half of that range given the pavement/trail mix and desire for the 
bike to feel sporty.

If the tire size is less than 2" then that opens up the Sam (48s w/o 
fenders). If you'd rather have something in the 2" - 2.25" range that's 
Appaloosa, Atlantis, Platypus territory. Larger than that Clem or Susie.

-Dave

On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 5:50:01 AM UTC-4 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> Sounds like you want the OG - the Atlantis. Here's Ron talking about his 
> third Atlantis, which is also the bike he bent the Albatross for to create 
> the Ortho bar:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_0qSPMps48
>
> The Sam is also a good alternative: shorter chainstays and a slightly 
> lighter frame. I don't own one but people report it is a bit nimbler on the 
> trails than the longer chainstay models.
>
> I'd exclude the Clem, the Susie/Gus, the Appaloosa, and the Platypus since 
> IMO they won't work as well with bendy bars with their longish 
> front-centers. I'd exclude the AHH, the Roadini, and the Roadeo since all 
> take caliper brakes which limits the tire widths for off road or unpaved 
> riding.
>
> Good luck and hope you find a bike (Riv or otherwise) that helps you with 
> your bike journey.
>
> --Ed C.
> Redondo Beach, CA
>
>
> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 5:43:49 PM UTC-7 Bud Suttree wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> Been enjoying these forums for a while now, with my first post I’d like 
>> to lean on the immense collective wisdom here and get some help with 
>> picking out the right Rivendell model. I’ve done quite a lot of personal 
>> research and spoken to Riv at least once but would like to open things up 
>> to the group for general discussion. 
>>
>>
>> Short sketch of my problem: I love bicycles, but haven’t enjoyed riding 
>> them in a long time. I have quite a few, and they all are unpleasant to 
>> ride for one reason or another. My priorities are, in descending order: 
>> comfort, performance (perceived), utility, price/aesthetics (tie), 
>> performance (actual), and at the end would be the ability to do any 
>> outer-boundary/end-of-spectrum type activity, riding across the country or 
>> racing crits, etc. My ideal bike would be something that could ride 15-20 
>> miles to the trail and then 10-15 more on the trail. And also manage 
>> chipotle, beer, and post office runs. 
>>
>>
>> Every time I browse the Riv offerings I become convinced I need a 
>> different model. I’m thinking maybe the Atlantis would suit me, but I don’t 
>> necessarily love the double top tube, and I’d probably be between the 57 
>> and 59. The Appaloosa seems pretty similar, but I’m not crazy about either 
>> of the current colors. Can’t say I can tell the difference between that one 
>> and the Sam, but I like the Sam aesthetic better. I’m also tempted by the 
>> gold Susie/Wolbis, but since I’ll be riding mostly around town, worry that 
>> it might not feel as agile as the bikes I’m use to riding do.
>>
>>
>> That’s the short version — would welcome any takes or opinions. 
>>
>>
>> Longer story:
>>
>>
>> Like the rest of you, I love bicycles. A substantial amount of my 
>> attention is given to them, day after day, in one way or another. 
>> Unfortunately, lately this has not translated into actually riding them 
>> very often. It’s a paradoxical state, induced by having too many (project) 
>> bikes, none of which I can tolerate to ride for more than half an hour. 
>> It’s mostly a comfort issue. FWIW, I am a not unhealthy late 20something 
>> male with probably poorish posture from desk-jockeying. I rode an aluminum 
>> Cannondale road bike daily for five years, crashed, broke some bones and 
>> swore it off for two, then entered this present cycle. 
>>
>>
>> Economic realities necessitate the need to flip bikes and parts to fund 
>> the passion. Maybe you think that’s a dirty trade; most are. I’ve had the 
>> good fortune to pick up an outrageously rare old school BMX bike for 
>> essentially nothing that should cover a very nice Rivendell build, and 
>> hopefully obviate the need to engage in as much cycling commerce. 
>>
>>
>> Along the way, I’ve acquired an interesting stable:
>>
>>- 93 Bridgestone RB-1 and MB-2 
>>- Custom 90s Ciocc w/ Columbus EL and Chorus 
>>- 93ish lugged Trek 990 
>>- 1985 Trek 620 
>>
>> and a cache of interesting parts, so it’s not been for nothing, but I 
>> don’t like riding any of those bikes. Had (still have?) big dreams for the 
>> RB-1, but cannot tolerate the reach. Have tried a bunch of stem/saddle 
>> options, no luck. Currently building it up w/ a Soma Highway 

[RBW] Re: Soliciting opinions: help me pick the right Rivendell

[Ed Carolipio]

Sounds like you want the OG - the Atlantis. Here's Ron talking about his 
third Atlantis, which is also the bike he bent the Albatross for to create 
the Ortho bar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_0qSPMps48

The Sam is also a good alternative: shorter chainstays and a slightly 
lighter frame. I don't own one but people report it is a bit nimbler on the 
trails than the longer chainstay models.

I'd exclude the Clem, the Susie/Gus, the Appaloosa, and the Platypus since 
IMO they won't work as well with bendy bars with their longish 
front-centers. I'd exclude the AHH, the Roadini, and the Roadeo since all 
take caliper brakes which limits the tire widths for off road or unpaved 
riding.

Good luck and hope you find a bike (Riv or otherwise) that helps you with 
your bike journey.

--Ed C.
Redondo Beach, CA


On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 5:43:49 PM UTC-7 Bud Suttree wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
> Been enjoying these forums for a while now, with my first post I’d like to 
> lean on the immense collective wisdom here and get some help with picking 
> out the right Rivendell model. I’ve done quite a lot of personal research 
> and spoken to Riv at least once but would like to open things up to the 
> group for general discussion. 
>
>
> Short sketch of my problem: I love bicycles, but haven’t enjoyed riding 
> them in a long time. I have quite a few, and they all are unpleasant to 
> ride for one reason or another. My priorities are, in descending order: 
> comfort, performance (perceived), utility, price/aesthetics (tie), 
> performance (actual), and at the end would be the ability to do any 
> outer-boundary/end-of-spectrum type activity, riding across the country or 
> racing crits, etc. My ideal bike would be something that could ride 15-20 
> miles to the trail and then 10-15 more on the trail. And also manage 
> chipotle, beer, and post office runs. 
>
>
> Every time I browse the Riv offerings I become convinced I need a 
> different model. I’m thinking maybe the Atlantis would suit me, but I don’t 
> necessarily love the double top tube, and I’d probably be between the 57 
> and 59. The Appaloosa seems pretty similar, but I’m not crazy about either 
> of the current colors. Can’t say I can tell the difference between that one 
> and the Sam, but I like the Sam aesthetic better. I’m also tempted by the 
> gold Susie/Wolbis, but since I’ll be riding mostly around town, worry that 
> it might not feel as agile as the bikes I’m use to riding do.
>
>
> That’s the short version — would welcome any takes or opinions. 
>
>
> Longer story:
>
>
> Like the rest of you, I love bicycles. A substantial amount of my 
> attention is given to them, day after day, in one way or another. 
> Unfortunately, lately this has not translated into actually riding them 
> very often. It’s a paradoxical state, induced by having too many (project) 
> bikes, none of which I can tolerate to ride for more than half an hour. 
> It’s mostly a comfort issue. FWIW, I am a not unhealthy late 20something 
> male with probably poorish posture from desk-jockeying. I rode an aluminum 
> Cannondale road bike daily for five years, crashed, broke some bones and 
> swore it off for two, then entered this present cycle. 
>
>
> Economic realities necessitate the need to flip bikes and parts to fund 
> the passion. Maybe you think that’s a dirty trade; most are. I’ve had the 
> good fortune to pick up an outrageously rare old school BMX bike for 
> essentially nothing that should cover a very nice Rivendell build, and 
> hopefully obviate the need to engage in as much cycling commerce. 
>
>
> Along the way, I’ve acquired an interesting stable:
>
>- 93 Bridgestone RB-1 and MB-2 
>- Custom 90s Ciocc w/ Columbus EL and Chorus 
>- 93ish lugged Trek 990 
>- 1985 Trek 620 
>
> and a cache of interesting parts, so it’s not been for nothing, but I 
> don’t like riding any of those bikes. Had (still have?) big dreams for the 
> RB-1, but cannot tolerate the reach. Have tried a bunch of stem/saddle 
> options, no luck. Currently building it up w/ a Soma Highway bar and zero 
> setback post, preliminary fit check not promising. Found a crack in the 
> MB’s fork when I was tearing it down and don’t think I want to invest in it 
> without the biplane fork. The Ciocc’s max tire clearance for Corsas is 23 
> rear/25 front. The 990 might be all right, and the 620 too, but both need a 
> ton of work. 
>
>
> I’m tired of projects. Wrenching is fun but riding is better, and it was 
> never my goal to be a collector of anything. So, instead of trying to make 
> all these old bikes “like” the bike that I want, I’m just going to actually 
> go and get what I want and then be done with it for awhile. 
>
>
> Some considerations: 
>
>
> I miss running errands on my bike. I don’t have as much free time as I’d 
> like, but everyone has to go to the grocery store. I also miss long weekend 
> adventure rides and casual group rides. I WFH, so don’t need an actual 
> 

[RBW] Re: AliExpress

[ascpgh]

Patrick wrote: "...which leads me to wonder if they don't have warehouses 
scattered around in their biggest markets, like the US?"

I can't imagine the cost of a physical inventory that would be defined by 
even what seems a narrow bicycle part search on the internet. Managing that 
inventory and keeping up with what you have invested in that vast storage 
would be mind boggling. The simple concept that non-moving stock becomes 
more expensive as it sits and ages due to interest on the wholesale cost 
becomes numbing as lines of SKUs increase.

AliExpress, et al seem to have looked at parameters of accounting and 
management used in old manual inventory systems like rate of use, days of 
supply, days of restock, FIFO, LIFO to find which variables could be more 
fixed to save cost of delivered products.. They seem to have control over 
manufacturing and shipping. It's not just in time, but close. They've 
reduced the record keeping hassle of varying material costs, age of 
inventory, cost of inventory (interest on line of credit tied to on-hand 
stock) this way. The biggest shift of burdens is updating website listings 
without becoming so fluid that pricing is different every time an item is 
viewed online.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh



On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 12:57:25 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks again, Garth. I just ordered 10X 2.0, 2.18, and 2.35 mm Shimano 
> spacers for total of $30.20 with shipping and tax. AE did well with my 
> clumsily-placed orders of Shimano 10 sp cogs (instead of thinking ahead and 
> making 1 order for 3 different sizes I frenziedly hit "buy" 3 times and 
> paid extra for shipping); far easier than trying to get a LBS to find and 
> order 3 each of 3 cogs, and far cheaper than ordering from Europe, where 
> shipping costs seem to have tripled since COVID.
>
> Curious about AliExpress: search for a 22 t Shimano 10 sp cog and you get 
> 2 dozen offerings many of which give you a price of $0.83 and when you 
> click "yes please" they don't let you buy more than 1, or else the price 
> skyrockets to $2.72 -- still very cheap, of course.
>
> I received my shipments in a bit over a week with shipping for small 
> packages of 3 or 4 cogs under $7,  which leads me to wonder if they don't 
> have warehouses scattered around in their biggest markets, like the US?
>
> At any rate, with spacers of 3 different widths I figure I'm well sorted 
> for any cassette build; as Garth very helpfully pointed out, Miche 10-sp 
> Shimano substitute cogs are 0.2 mm wider in the body (1.8 mm versus 1.6 mm 
> for Shimano cogs) tho' their teeth are 1.6 mm; which means that they take 2 
> mm instead of 2.35 mm spacers -- the total width is about 36 mm in either 
> case.
>
> But the cassette I built on Saturday with 10 1.6 mm cogs and 9 2 mm 
> spacers shifts just as well and identically to the other 10 sp cassetted 
> made from 10 Miche cogs and 9 2 mm spacers, without any derailleur 
> adjustment; so who knows. I did order 2.18 mm ones to split the difference.
>
> -- 
>
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Eroica California

[Peter Adler]

That doesn't sound right. Aside from the fact that all the information 
about the California events except the 2024 front banner is dated from the 
2023 event or even earlier - site consistency is not this organization's 
strong suit - the bike descriptions you offer sound like the ones for the 
Nova Eroica events, where you ride the Eroica routes on modern road, 
"gravel"* or cyclocross bikes/components. 

In the absence of some major revelations that they blindside riders with 
(assuming that a 2024 Eroica/Nova Eroica California happens at all, which 
seems...improbable), I'd operate on the premise that the bike regulations 
will be the same as the 2023 ones:

Eroica CA 2023: https://eroica.cc/en/california/regulation

Nova Eroica CA 
2023: https://eroica.cc/en/nova-california/regulation-nova-eroica-california

Peter "all lugged steel+drop bars" Adler
Berkeley, CA

* I've given a miss on all the ins and outs of "gravel bike" definitions, 
although I suspect most bikes I own/ride would qualify. Is there any 
meaningful difference between a gravel bike and a cyclocross bike, or is a 
cyclocross bike a subset of the gravel category?

On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 9:19:36 PM UTC-7 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

According to the website, Eroica California is open to all road racing, 
cyclocross and gravel bicycles with carbon, steel, titanium and aluminum 
frames.

The only requirement left over from prior years appears to be that the bike 
must have drop handlebars.

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[RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

[Dan]

Roy, I've found I have BETTER climbing ability on my Appaloosa with its 
super-long stays. If you stay seated your weight is rearward enough for 
traction, and thanks to the long stays the front end doesn't want to lift. 
That means you don't have to lean forward as much as you would on a 
regular-stayed bike which again improves traction on the rear end.
In practice, climbing steep dirt paths with the Appaloosa feels like I have 
a motor out back that pushes me up the hill. It's great!

On Saturday 6 April 2024 at 11:15:28 UTC+10:30 Roy Summer wrote:

>
> Long chain stays usually mean a longer wheelbase which means a more 
> comfortable ride because you’re not sitting on top of the rear wheel (think 
> compact car vs. limo) and less climbing ability as the rider, again, is not 
> sitting over the rear wheel. That said, use a lower gear to climb and don’t 
> worry about being first in the mountain stages at the TDF. A longer 
> wheelbase also generally results in a somewhat slower handling bike ( not 
> that it is dangerous, just not twitchy) so leave the long chain stay ride 
> home when you do your next crit.
> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
> wrote:
>
>> Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?", 
>> especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike design philosophy.   Seems 
>> the prevailing thought is long stays are better for
>> upright riding
>> single track type trails (vs a Rails to Trails type trail)
>>
>> I'll just note 2 'facts'
>> 1  The vast majority of RBW models (except the Roadeo type frame) use 
>> slack STA and HTA which may contribute to the ride effect when coupled with 
>> long stays.
>> 2.  In the beginning RBW addressed getting the bars higher and adopting a 
>> non-racer riding style (back at 45° with hands on hoods), which IMHO were 
>> solutions to actual problems.
>>
>> *So What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by 
>> using long chain stays*
>> Just to bring bikes to market that no one else is building??
>> Or do they solve a real problem???
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> FWIW 2 of 3 of my frames have 44 to 45cm chain stays, and 1 has a 43cm 
>> chain stay.It's hard to notice a ride difference.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Eroica California

[Bill Lindsay]

Wait, so I have to sell my dedicated "Eroica Bike"?!?!  Dang it!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 9:19:36 PM UTC-7 Corwin Zechar wrote:

> According to the website, Eroica California is open to all road racing, 
> cyclocross and gravel bicycles with carbon, steel, titanium and aluminum 
> frames.
>
> The only requirement left over from prior years appears to be that the 
> bike must have drop handlebars.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Corwin
>
> On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 8:01:33 PM UTC-7 Jim M. wrote:
>
>> I rode it on my Eisentraut with period appropriate Campy Nuovo Record and 
>> 30mm tubular tires. As I recall, they allow newer lugged steel bikes, and I 
>> definitely saw a few Rivs. There were several folks from this list and 
>> I-BOB. There's a bike expo and Concours for people to show off their rides, 
>> which is great if you like looking at old steel bikes. There were awards 
>> for things like best original Cinelli. Central coast Calif has a lot of 
>> beautiful areas for riding. They partnered with local wineries to route 
>> through vineyard roads, so there was a lot of strade bianche. Riv content 
>> -- I met George Mount, who used to race against Grant back in the day, and 
>> I met Andy Hampsten, who has extolled Jack Brown tires. 
>>
>> jim m
>> walnut creek
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 11:05:59 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> If I decide to gear way lower, I'll swap over a vintage compact double. 
>>>  I have a Sugino AT triple converted to Guard/46/30.  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 7:59:12 AM UTC-7 Keith Weaver wrote:
>>>
 Bill, 

 I also have a brown Gran Premio! I especially like the Suntour 
 symmetric shifters. Univega was the brand sold in my childhood bike store, 
 so when I saw mine in a used bike shop, I had to have it. They'll always 
 have a soft spot in my heart. If I were to ride mine in the CA Eroica, I 
 think I'd need some lower gearing, maybe the Velo Orange 46-30 crankset.

 Cheers,
 Keith

 On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:28 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I've got the bike for it, and I'm just waiting for the stars to align 
> to do the ride.  My "Eroica Bike" is a time capsule 1983 Univega Gran 
> Premio.  I've got ~700 miles on it, and will not have any issue using it 
> for an Eroica day.  
>
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/49563967306/in/album-72157713199195553/
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 9:41:21 AM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Curious if anyone on this forum is also a Vintage enthusiast and has 
>> interest in the Eroica event that is run on the Central Coast of 
>> California. I've ridden it a few times on my PX-10... its a great ride, 
>> although the organization that runs the event has had its ups and downs 
>> over the years. Currently, the website lists September 22, 2024 as the 
>> run 
>> date, but the registration button leads to last year's sign-updoes 
>> anyone have any better intel? 
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[RBW] Re: NBD - Purple Appaloosa

[Dan]

Thank you everyone for your kind words. I'm enjoying the bike more the more 
I ride it - it engenders a different, more relaxed pace - perfect for 
exploring.

Eric, your Appaloosa with Ortho bars was an insipiration for me, so your 
words mean a lot!

Jay - funny you mention C, because this frame actually made its way to me 
from them! They are super nice people and I love what they're doing with 
bikes (obviously).

On Saturday 6 April 2024 at 05:17:36 UTC+10:30 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great post and run-down, Dan! The Appaloosa is lookin' good. 
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:29:46 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:
>
>> I also love this post!
>>
>> I was in C Cycle, home of the Bassi and noticed the Bloomfield.  That 
>> caught me eye in your write up so I thought I would mention.
>>
>> That purple is amazing.  Enjoy!
>>
>> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 12:55:20 PM UTC-4 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Great story and pics, thanks for sharing Dan. Congrats on the new bike. 
>>> It's making me want to put rons bars back on the atlantis. 
>>>
>>> mike in austin tx
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 2:44:46 AM UTC-5 Dan wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone, I’d like to share the story of my new purple Appaloosa. 
 I’ve gained a great deal of insight and enjoyment from reading this forum, 
 so it’s only right that I return the favour with a story of my own.


 From the first time I had heard that there was a company called 
 Rivendell, I knew that someday I’d be riding one. I’d avidly read Tolkein 
 in my childhood, so to hear that there were LotR themed bicycles - and 
 that 
 they were so beautiful! - was just fascinating to me. The more I read 
 about 
 the bikes and the philosophy, the more I was convinced. The final straw 
 was 
 coming across ‘Calling In Sick Magazine’, aka the unofficial Rivendell fan 
 magazine. Reading the stories and looking at the photos of those people 
 riding on dry hills near the ocean, in terrain not to dissimilar to what I 
 ride here in Adelaide, Australia, gave me the impetus to make my dream a 
 reality.


 So, why did I choose an Appaloosa? To answer that, here is a little bit 
 about the other bikes in my stable…


 *Surly Straggler*

 This was my first ‘nice’ bike, the first bike I actually did any 
 research on before buying. I bought it to be my only bike and a do-it-all 
 bike, one that would be reliable and fun both day-to-day and on riding 
 anywhere and everywhere when I felt like adventure. In that, it’s met all 
 my expectations and then some. It’s set up with a rack and fenders as a 
 commuter, but over time I’ve tweaked it with wider, flared drops, fatter, 
 more supple rubber and lower gearing to suit my increasing desire to 
 explore. I’ve ridden this bike on two (metric) centuries, countless 
 suburban explorations, in the rain, on gravel, and on single track. It 
 does 
 it all, more or less. I’ve never liked the looks of the stack of spacers I 
 needed to get the bars high, and the gearing is probably a bit high, 
 though 
 that has made me stronger. Descending on the dirt, even with the flared 
 drops, is a whole-body workout. Side note - I actually wanted a Cross 
 Check, but they weren’t available to order in Australia when I bought this 
 bike.


 [image: IMG_0580.jpeg]


 *Bassi Bloomfield*

 It took a while to allow myself the thought that it was ok to have more 
 than one bike. I’d been browsing Blue Lug and watching Terry Barentsen 
 during the pandemic and fell in love with the idea of 650b, fat tyres, 
 upright bars and front baskets. The day after I’d decided that I could get 
 myself another bike, my local bike shop listed a whole bunch of Bassi 
 frames for sale. The clearance for wide 650b tyres and the flower head 
 tube 
 graphic sold me instantly!

 This bike has been a revelation for me. There’s something about it - 
 the wide bars, the light frame, having no gears - that just clicks with 
 me. 
 It’s like the bike is hard-wired into my brain. And the basket! It’s so 
 practical. More than that, though, this bike looks great. It’s a bike that 
 non-bike people complement me on. And it sold me on how good it feels to 
 ride upright.


 [image: IMG_8340.jpeg]


 *Why Appaloosa?*

 Which brings me to the Appaloosa. In the last two years I’d begun to 
 the explore the range of hills that flank Kaurna country / the Adelaide 
 plains. I like riding from my door, winding through the suburbs to a trail 
 head, then climbing and exploring the trails, going a little further each 
 time. I wanted a bike that would be fun to ride on the road but more 
 comfortable and capable off it than my other bikes. In short, I wanted a 
 touring bike, and the