[RBW] Re: FS: 2001 Riv Custom $2100

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Max,

What's the standover height?

Dave

On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 5:57:29 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Per my other thread, I've decided to downsize from 4 to 2 (or maybe 1) 
> bikes so here it goes. I hope I don't regret letting this one go, but I 
> have to start somewhere and this one isn't getting the miles it deserves.
>
> Price is $2,100 + packing & shipping (or local pickup in MA)
>
> 2001 Joe Starck / Joe Bell - Custom Road serial# 01JS114 - I'm the second 
> owner.
>
> This is the first bike that I spec'd from the frame up and worked with 
> James at Analog Cycles to complete the build. Please note that when I 
> bought the frame it had a small bulge in the top tube (see photo), James 
> looked at it and determined that it was safe to ride. It also has a few 
> scratches and a few touch up spots here and there but it's in overall great 
> condition.
>
> It rides great, very responsive and nimble... this bike is very light. I 
> probably put in less than 100 miles since I built it up (I spent 8 months 
> away from Boston in 2020/2021)
>
> I'm 5'11" with a 91 pbh (I have long legs) and my saddle height is 80.5cm
>
> Here are the details:
> 62cm c-t, 59cm top tube, 130 rear spacing
> Frame prep by Analog including frame saver
>
> Wheels came used from James at Analog - I don’t have the details, but I 
> remember him saying something about ceramic? Anyways, the tires are green 
> Jack Brown 33.333 from Riv
>
> Drivetrain: White Industries 180mm cranks, 46/30
> Cassette: 11-32 XT M760 cassette
> IRD Bottom Bracket
>
> 9s FSA "Team Issue" chain
> Terry Fly Tri Gel Saddle & Nitto seat post included
>
> Chris King Headset
> Nitto Noodle 46 cm bars
> Dura Ace Shifters - Bar End - Shimano Dura Ace, 9 Speed
> Paul Racer M Centerpull (this is my best braking bike by far)
> Brake Levers - Road - TRP - RRL SR, Drilled, Gum Hood
> VO Sabot  Pedals included
> Bottle Cage (Nitto I think?) included
>
> Packing & Shipping will probably run about $150 and given how backed up 
> the local LBS are, it might take a few weeks, so please keep that in mind.
>
> Please let me know if you have questions.
>
> Max
> downsizing and doubting the downsizing
> [image: IMG_1661 (1).jpeg]
> [image: IMG_2680.jpeg]
> [image: IMG_1663.jpeg]
> [image: IMG_1662.jpeg]
> [image: IMG_2683.jpeg]
> [image: IMG_2674.jpeg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Platform pedal recommendations

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I'm a fan of VO's Sabot.  It has a large platform (100mm by 100mm, IIRC), 
is aluminum and silver, and has shortish rounded pins for grip.  The pins 
don't rip up my shoes, but they also don't grip well when the pedal's wet. 
 That last bit is their one downside, but it's a price I'm willing to pay 
for pins that don't chew up my soles.

Dave
Boston/Indy

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vintage

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Randall,

I'm pretty sure the bike you describe was their second batch, the first one 
being green with gold decals.  Both of those batches were single-color, so 
no cream head tubes.  

Dave
Boston/Indy

On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 5:49:41 PM UTC-5, Randall Rupp wrote:
>
> I have a Sam Hillborne that I got through this list sometime 2012, it's 
> orange with side pull brakes, but the headtube is not filled in with the 
> cream color like all the other one's I've seen.  It's just orange like the 
> rest of the bike.  Was that a one batch mistake or were the early ones 
> produced that way?
>
>  
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 56cm Atlantis/ 60cm Cheviot

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Hi Eric.  PM sent.  

Dave

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[RBW] Re: A different Mustache/Albastache set-up?

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Charlie, Zack, and Ted,

Thanks for the quick replies.  I'm trying to use bars I already 
have---which are Mustache, Albatross, and VO Porteur---rather than buy 
another (such as the Soma or Albastache) specifically for this 
application.  I know the VO Porteur and the Albatross will work well but 
I've always wanted to use my Mustache at some point and thought this might 
be my chance.  Looks like I'd be sacrificing the natural compatibility of 
the Albatross or Porteur and be trying to *force *the Mustache into 
working, which I don't want to do given the other options.  So I guess I 
give up and will go with one of the other bars.  

Thanks to all who responded.  

Dave
Boston/Indy  


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[RBW] A different Mustache/Albastache set-up?

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When I see a Mustache or Albastache bar installed it almost always has 
drop-bar brake levers installed sideways at the bends and is completely 
wrapped like a drop bar.  When I see an Albatross or other typical upright 
bar installed it almost almost always has the city-type brake levers 
installed in a typical orientation toward the ends of the bar and has some 
type of grip but is bare other than that.  

I don't recall ever seeing a Mustache or Albastache bar set up like an 
Albatross bar, with city brake levers and grips installed in typical 
upright-bar fashion.  Is anyone aware of a reason that wouldn't work well? 
 I'm tempted to try it but thought I'd ask here first in case there's a 
reason that I simply don't see.  Thanks.

Dave
Boston/Indy 

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[RBW] Re: This is second time this happened and I am seriously annoyed. And I would like help to see this doesn't happen again.

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Hi Ann,

If you need to replace the seat post, I'd recommend checking out 
Velo-Orange's long set-back post, seen here 
.
 
 It's a 2-bolt design so you don't need to crank it down, it has a set-back 
that's suitable for Brooks saddles, and it's reasonably priced.  

Dave
Boston/Indy

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[RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Joel,

I've ridden (and still ride) Brooks B-17 and Berthoud Mente and Aspin 
saddles.  The widths from widest to narrowest is Mente > B-17 > Aspin.  My 
sit bones are 125mm apart, and which saddle I like best depends on the type 
of riding I do on it.  For touring, the Mente wins.  For general riding I 
like the B-17.  For faster-paced riding I like the Aspin or B-17.  

There's more to it then just width, though.  The shapes differ, with the 
Berthoud being flatter front to back and the B-17 being slightly dippy in 
the middle.  How it feels also depends on how upright you ride.  You really 
need to try them to know, which is always the case with saddles.  The only 
objective comment I'd make is that with sit bones 35mm narrower than mine, 
I'd guess that the Mente would feel too wide for you.   

Dave
Boston/Indy

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[RBW] Re: Inaugural ride for Matthews Road Bike for Road (AM and Fixed hub 26" wheel road bike)

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Hi Patrick,

Very nice.  Can you post a closer-up picture of your headlight support?  I 
hesitate to mount front or rear lights directly to fenders because of the 
potential stress of the light's weight on the fender, but it look like 
you've conquered that problem.  Thanks.

Dave
Boston/Indy

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Campee 34F front rack

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In my experience, Riv's don't handle heavy front loads well, which I 
attribute to their high-trail designs.  I've read posts that claim 
otherwise, but for me even a Berthoud-size bag on a front rack, loaded with 
a moderate-for-its-size weight, isn't as stable as I'd like it to 
be---especially in a cross-wind.  On short tours on my Sam, I carry a large 
or medium Saddlesack on top of a rear rack and a small Saddlesack on a 
Mark's rack in front and that works well.  If I want to carry more weight 
in front then I take a different bike, one with lower trail.  The ride may 
be better with the weight lower than I've used, as with panniers, but I 
haven't tried that.  

Dave
Boston/Indy


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Surly Rack and Brooks B17 Special

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Hi Leah,

I also like the Brooks B-17 Champion and Select, but if you want something 
wider you should look into the Berthoud Mente.  It's a bit wider than the 
B-17 and flatter on top, the latter being a difference that might work for 
you or against you; you'd have to try it to see.  I use the Mente on tours 
and love it for that purpose.  

Dave
Boston/Indy

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 8:05:12 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Would I prefer a wider Brooks?  Youbetcha. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sunglasses

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Hi Leah,

I suggest starting with these:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000RKS07I/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1

I have Tifosi clear but I like these better and use them instead.  If you 
don't like these you're out a whopping $8.25, although you're not really 
*out* anything 'cause you can keep 'em around for hazardous household 
tasks, like chopping jalapeños or fiddling with tiny springs that could 
blind you if they fly free.  You might like Premium Brand glasses just 
fine, but why not give a pair of cheap ones a try before you step up to the 
overpriced models?

Dave
Boston/Indy



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Re: [RBW] What Is a Cheviot?

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Hey Leah,

Reading through this string I came upon Mark's post and thought "yeah, 
that's what she needs."  In fact, I'd love to see you get it.  I'll kick in 
$50 toward it if you do and you won't have to mow my lawn or make me 
lemonade. 

Dave
Boston/Indy (but hiding out in Florida for now) 

On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 9:33:35 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
>
> One reason is the oversize tubing that Rivendell and most other 
> manufacturers of steel bicycles use these days. Combine the OS tubing with 
> the gauges Riv uses for its country bikes like the Chev and they are still 
> going to be overkill for what you are describing as your desire...
>

> I'm sure based on your weight class and intended use for the bike, Grant 
> would entertain a custom mixte with the lightest Roadeo-class tubing they 
> use. If you want it to be a Riv, this will get you a lot closer to what you 
> are seeking from your next bicycle. Plus you can get it in hummingbird red. 
> Between the deposit and the final payment, you have some time to mow lawns 
> and sell some lemonade! (Option B: get a Roadeo.)
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Speed wobble

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Hi Peter,

Was your racktop bag on a front rack or a rear rack, and what kind of bike 
was it (I'm thinking about trail with that latter question).  Thanks.

Dave
Boston/Indy

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[RBW] Re: Crash Stories

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The two worst crashes I've had were as a kid.  

In one, I was riding down my street popping small wheelies.  It wasn't your 
typical Wheelie Bike but still, by pulling up on the handlebars I could 
lift the front wheel for a second and then come back down.  One time I did 
that and watched the fork lift, but the wheel stayed on the ground rolling 
just a tiny bit faster than the bike I was on.  I came down on the fork 
tips and toppled, but don't remember hurting from it.  

In the other one I was racing my friend Jay down the same paved street.  I 
was next to the curb on my right, Jay was on my left, away from the curb. 
 I won and stopped pedaling, but Jay kept pedaling and went ahead of me 
after the finish line.  I had a premonition and yelled out "Don't turn!" 
 He hollered "What?"  I said "Go straight.  DON'T TURN!"  Jay turned right 
into a driveway.  My front wheel clipped his back wheel and I went flying. 
 I had huge strawberries on my leg, arm, and forehead, and felt 100% 
deflated.  I stood up and mumbled "get my bike" and walked home and 
collapsed on the couch, where I just kinda laid for awhile.  

Fun times, huh?

Dave 

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[RBW] Re: New (to me) bike day -- 57cm A. Homer Hilsen

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I've always admired good, strong graphics on bikes.  Not 1980's neon-like 
graphics, but strong tasteful graphics like those on Rivendells.  A couple 
of years ago I bought a used Quickbeam that had been stripped of its decals 
but kept the head badge, and a little after that bought a used Box Dog 
Bikes Pelican that had been powder-coated after a repair and was also 
without decals.  To my surprise I really dug (and still dig) the looks of 
them both.  I think it's the stealth factor, although I can't say I've 
spent much time analyzing my psychology behind it.  


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[RBW] Re: A Glorius New Bike Day! (Not for me, for once)

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What Joe said!

On Saturday, March 7, 2020 at 8:29:44 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Those headtube lugs. Oh my! ❤️

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[RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

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Hi Conway,

I thought the MIT Atlantis had a TIG'd bottom bracket.  Are you sure it's 
filet-brazed?  If yes, was the first batch TIG'd and the new batch 
filet-brazed?  I was told by an owner of one from the first batch that it 
was TIG'd, which is the main reason I didn't buy one.  

Dave
Boston/Indy

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:11:41 PM UTC-5, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> The new Atlantis and Crust Nor'easter both are lugged with a filet brazed 
> bottom bracket.  I assume it reduces the cost but is it functionally 
> better, worse, or the same as a lugged bb shell? 

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[RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

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Those are all good reasons to go with a Riv custom, Joe.  Your last 
sentence says it all:  "I want it, I want that Riv ride and I have the 
money."  I don't doubt you'll get a great bike for that money!

Dave
Boston/Indy

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:18:25 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> "I do see one advantage of ordering from Riv, and that's Grant's input and 
> oversight.  That makes it more likely to ride like a Riv---there's some 
> insurance there---but it's expensive insurance.  Obviously not everyone 
> will agree with me, 'cause they do sell some customs."
>
> I'm a very specific custom customer and will explain why it works for me 
> (mine is at Joe Bell's awaiting paint). 
>
> I'm aware that I could have gone with someone local - like say, Fitz - for 
> a little less money (and I love his work). But I'm not like a lot of you 
> who want a full immersion buying experience with lots of measuring and 
> talking, that's stressful for me. Grant knows me, what I'm built like and 
> the kind of riding I do. I need an uber-upright frame now to accommodate my 
> arthritis so I pointed at another custom they had done, explained the 
> situation and gave them my PBH and general riding/parts style, and said 
> "Make me one that looks kinda like that, have Joe Bell make it pretty, I'll 
> pay you."  
>
> Another factor is I've been following the Grant/Riv thing since before 
> there was a Riv, and this is my one shot before I get too old/disabled to 
> get the full zoot deal with "Rivendell" on the downtube. I want it, I want 
> that Riv ride and I have the money. It's happening!
>
> Joe Bernard
> Marin County CA. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

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Hi John.  The imperfections were the paint chip and a couple of design 
details, IIRC.  

Yep, it's a healthy discount off the going rate but I think the going rate 
is high and I've thought that for years.  I love Riv and have bought more 
than a few frames, a complete bike, and a lot of parts from them over the 
years, but I've never understood why someone would order a custom Riv.  A 
lot of good builders out there will charge less for a custom and could 
design one to ride like a Riv.  I'm not talking about an exact copy, but 
one designed similarly that has the same ride characteristics.  

I *do* see one advantage of ordering from Riv, and that's Grant's input and 
oversight.  That makes it more likely to ride like a Riv---there's some 
insurance there---but it's expensive insurance.  Obviously not everyone 
will agree with me, 'cause they *do* sell some customs.  

This isn't a knock against Riv, by the way---I'm sure there are underlying 
reasons for their pricing---I just think their customs represent poor value 
when compared to customs by some other good builders.  I've also thought 
that about some other frames and parts I've bought from Riv, but that 
didn't stop me from buying 'em!  

Dave
Boston/Indy


On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 10:38:05 PM UTC-5, John G. wrote:
>
> What are the imperfections, aside from the paint chip? I don’t think it’s 
> high at all. It’s 700 less than the going rate.

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[RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

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Am I the only one who saw this and thought that $3300 seems high for it, 
given the imperfections?  

Dave


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[RBW] Re: Check your PMs

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I'm with Eric.  It seems that 4 out of 5 times I send a message, I don't 
get a reply.  It's got to the point that I rarely send the PM now.  I don't 
know if the recipient doesn't get it, or gets it and ignores me, the result 
is the same.  The futility is frustrating, so I usually avoid it.  

Dave
Boston/Indy

On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 10:08:57 PM UTC-5, Eric G@rs wrote:
>
> As a counterpoint, I have responded to folks selling items multiple times 
> and not received responses. 

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

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Thanks, George.  I'm glad I'm not the only one who learned something from 
this.  

Dave

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

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Hi all,

The story has a happy ending thanks for a local auto detailer.  I took it 
to him yesterday and said "can you fix this?"  He thumbed it and said "I 
think so, but my nail is catching one of the scratches so it may not come 
out completely."  I said that's fine, even if it's just greatly diminished 
I could live with it.  He put a dollop of liquid goop on a rag and polished 
for a minute, reloaded his rag and polished for a minute more, said "I'm 
gonna switch to something lighter," disappeared in back for a minute, came 
back with a dollop of something else on the rag, polished for a minute, 
inspected it, and said "can you still see it?"  I looked and said "nope, 
you're a genius."  

It took him about 6 minutes to fix the problem, which says a lot for 
relying on experience.  And I got to watch him, so I'll be comfortable 
doing it myself next time if there *is* a next time.  I brought it home, 
put a coat of wax on top, and took it over to my mechanic a while ago.  He 
won't finish it before I leave town later this week, but he'll have it done 
by the time I return in a month.  I'm looking forward to seeing the 
finished bike.  

Thanks again to all those who chimed in.  

Dave

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

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Thanks much to everyone who's responded.  I love this forum, with its 
cumulative knowledge and folks who're willing to take the time to help 
others.  

Laing mentioned Youtube, which was a great suggestion that I hadn't 
considered.  Forty minutes of watching scratch-removal videos convinced me 
that the scratches can probably be removed by polishing, or if not removed 
then at least diminished to the extent that they won't torment me when I 
ride and look down.  Responses that followed Laing's confirmed that the 
right kind of polishing might do the trick.  Many of the Youtube videos 
warn about being too aggressive or the possibility of leaving streaks or 
fine lines so the solution is not without risk, and each one touts a 
different product or slightly different approach that the poster thinks is 
the best to avoid those risks.  

I quickly realized that most of the videos were posted by auto detailers. 
 I'm still nervous about the potential unintended consequences of a novice 
like me using the wrong product, or using the right product wrongly, so I'm 
going to take it to a local detailer to see if this is an easy fix for 
someone with experience.  I suspect it is, and it might even be easy for 
me, but this frame is too nice for me to risk making worse with my 
inexperience.  I wish I had a beater bike to practice on but I don't.  

I'll report back and let y'all know what happens.  Hopefully there's a 
happy ending ahead.  

Dave

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[RBW] Re: I need to repair or mask scratches in new black paint

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Thanks, Laing.  Sad to say, it's a 58cm.  

I thought about polishing but didn't want to make it worse (I've learned 
the hard way that I have a tendency to do that sometimes) if I had other 
options.  I hadn't thought about Youtube, and it's a good idea.  I'll look 
there.  

Dave

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[RBW] Re: Frame for sale

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By what logic do you figure that a for-sale post for a Salsa frame, Soma 
fork, and Cane Creek headset is "somewhat Riv related?"

Dave

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[RBW] Re: Wanted: green 60cm Hillborne STT

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Hi Jeff,

Just sent you a PM, which I'm telling you here because I've had some 
problems recently sending and receiving PMs through Google groups.  

Dave

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[RBW] For sale - Gilles Berthoud Arabesque saddle - black. Used on one ride

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Hi Jeff. I’m on mobile and can’t reply privately, but I’ll buy this if it’s 
still available. Thanks. 

Dave

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[RBW] Re: OT: non-bike hobbies

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My other hobby is collecting antique vending machines, most (but not all) 
of them designed to sell gum, candy, or peanuts.  They're much smaller than 
bikes so I can have more, but---unlike bikes---they're completely useless 
for anything other than looking at.  I *do* like to do that, though.  

http://www.smallvintagevending.com

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[RBW] Re: ideas for daytime visibility: vests and whatnot

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Hi Neil,

I wear the orange version of this shirt 
.
 
 It's the brightest shirt I've ever seen (brighter live than in the 
picture), lightweight, and inexpensive.  It nearly glows.  Available with 
long sleeves, too.  

Dave

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot Wool Sweater Preorder - Anyone In?

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Thanks, Sean, Joe, and Mark.  I'm glad to know this.  About how to do it, 
that is, not about them being "sold out," whatever that means for an order 
yet-to-be-placed.  

Dave


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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot Wool Sweater Preorder - Anyone In?

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Sean,

How did you do this?  The preorder page said specifically to not add 
anything else to the order, and instead to fill out a separate order for 
additional items (hence triggering 2 shipping charges, instead of zero). 
 Did I miss something?

Dave

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 5:11:25 PM UTC-4, SeanMac wrote:
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> I placed my pre-order this morning.  David - great tip about adding $30 to 
> the order to get free shipping.
>
> Cheers,
> Sean
>
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[RBW] Re: BLUG: Erin's Custom

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I fell instantly in love with that bike when I saw it on the Blahg.  
*That's* the kind of bike that could inspire me to go custom again.  

Dave

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[RBW] Re: My Atlantis with Berthoud Vars ...

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I have Berthoud Vars on my Hillbornes, which are the bikes I use for 4- to 
7-day tours.  I love it for that purpose.  

Dave
 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Fairweather Drop Bar and 60mm Technomic Stem

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Hi Eric,

I'm not familiar with those bars.  What's the difference between them and 
the non-compact Noodle?

Dave

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[RBW] Re: rebuilding the SimpleOne

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I love the paint scheme with the cream head tube and seat tube panel.  

Dave

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Re: [RBW] Re: Black cyclists

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Hi Mark,
 
I have no clue where you’re going with this, or what your point is, or what 
your agenda is—because you obviously have one—but have fun with it.  If 
you’re trying to get my ire up or goad me into some kind of 
pseudo-intellectual debate on whatever it is you're talking about, then 
you’ve failed.

Dave
Boston/Indy


On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 12:03:21 AM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Well Dave, I thought you added a bit more than, cultural differences,and 
> people confuse them,  that's it. You went on to add that they have their 
> thing and you have yours and what's the big deal--"*different cultures 
> gravitate to different things, and there's nothing wrong with it.  It's 
> just the way it is.*"  
>
> It comes off as though, hey, everyone had an equal chance at this 
> smorgasbord of different activities, and blacks gravitated to x, y, and z, 
> not a, b, or c, because of black culture. Cool, no problem, just the way it 
> is. 
>
> Except not exactly, right. Some activities were "easier" to break the 
> racial barrier in, some, not so "easy." To my ears your statement is 
> cavalier. To say that I "peeled layers to tease out some specific factors" 
> is a bit disingenuous, making it sound like semantic contortions were 
> necessary to make some fairly obvious points. Any meaningful discussions of 
> race are going to mostly encompass "culture," not genetic differences 
> between races.
>
> No, you did not say black people don't like riding bikes. You said *"So 
> there aren't many black cyclists---so what?  It's not their thing.  They 
> have other things."*
>
> You mentioned Grant's "issue" with this, but said you don't share his 
> concern. Grant is a public person who runs a company that presents a 
> certain image to the world. So he is in a different position. He is also 
> someone who tries to incorporate his beliefs into his business. It's a 
> tricky thing to try to tackle the issues around race in this regard, 
> perhaps most so when you happen to be a white guy, and it may be 
> ill-advised and he has certainly drawn flack for his ruminations on catalog 
> shots and reparations.
>
> But it's one of the ways to start some dialog, despite possible false 
> starts or receiving ire. When I was publishing my cycling magazine in the 
> 1990s, I thought about this a bit.  I had some variety on my cover and in 
> my content that skewed in favor of under-represented cyclists--i.e, anyone 
> who was not a youngish white guy**.  I never kept score, it happened mostly 
> organically as good stories presented themselves, but looking back, the 
> count ended up 4 white guys (two of the same guy, local legend Mike 
> McCarthy) 5 white females, 4 black guys (including Messenger 29, a comic 
> character) 1 black girl (M29s daughter, Kyla, also a comic character), a 
> white male-female couple, 2 Hispanic guys (on one cover) and possibly 1 
> transgender person (which I was clueless about until someone told me later) 
> and one crowd melting pot shot from the 5 Boro Tour.
>
> *(For the record, I don't have angst or guilt over being a white guy, 
> and the little I've heard about reparations doesn't sound like a good idea 
> or very feasible on a number of fronts)*
>
>
> *Some photos of the covers and a few inside pages here: 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/YKsMN2sx6wgPPvjJ6 
> *
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Black cyclists

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Hi Mark,

My stance is that differences attributed to race are often differences in 
culture.  That's it.  They're cultural differences, not racial differences. 
 You peeled a couple of layers away from that to tease out some specific 
factors that might *create* cultural differences, and I don't disagree with 
them.  Your points about football and basketball versus golf et al. are 
good ones and are probably valid, but my point wasn't to dissect the 
*reasons* for differences, only to point out that they *exist* and that 
people confuse them.  

Interesting, by the way, that you mentioned Major Taylor given his 
environment growing up.  A lone example doesn't prove anything, but it's 
consistent with my premise.

By the way, I didn't say black people don't like riding bikes, but I think 
you already know that.  

Dave
Boston/Indy


On Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 6:53:12 AM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
>
> Dave Small wrote:
> *"**The purported paucity of black cyclists is a cultural phenomenon, not 
> a racial phenomenonSo there aren't many black cyclists---so what?  It's 
> not their thing.  They have other things.  Their things aren't my things, 
> and they're not trying to get me involved in their things because they're 
> their things and they don't care that they're not my things, too  It's 
> just the way it is..."*
>
> So your stance is, black people as a group just don't like riding bikes, 
> because, "black culture". Maybe. But you have to take into account the fact 
> that "cultures" overlap, interact, and affect one another when they exist 
> in the same country--a country that for a portion of its history allowed 
> members of one race to own members of another race. The first iteration of 
> the League of American Wheelmen banned non-white cyclists in 1894, in part 
> due to the success of Major Taylor.  
>
> *"Most NBA and NFL players are black, but few hockey players, race car 
> drivers, or professional golfers are"*
>
> Again, your supposition is this is because blacks in general just don't 
> care much for hockey, car racing, or golf.  However, basketball and 
> football are public school sports, and can also be played with a minimum of 
> equipment outside of institutional settings. Hockey and golf are 
> historically more the purview of prep schools. The economic opportunities 
> that blacks have often been excluded from mean they are not as 
> well-represented at these private institutions. Race car driving has a 
> strong Southern background, which may or may not mean something. I bet you 
> could look into it. Golf has an interesting "cultural" past that may have 
> influenced black culture in the U.S.: 
> https://www.complex.com/sports/2011/06/the-most-racist-moments-in-golf-history/kelly-tilghman
>  
>
>
> Still seems to be happening in places: 
>
> https://www.golf.com/tour-news/2018/04/26/fallout-continues-alleged-discriminatory-golf-course-incident
>
>
> *Really, there's much ado about nothing here. ..*
>
> Well, I would not speak for others as to whether or not this is true. 
> Perhaps you are right. I think discussions about race are a good thing. But 
> probably more useful when everyone is at the table.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Black cyclists

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These kinds of discussions confuse race with culture.  The purported 
paucity of black cyclists is a cultural phenomenon, not a racial 
phenomenon.  Race is genetic and affects physical characteristics, culture 
is learned.  We're not born cyclists, we have to learn it.  

So there aren't many black cyclists---so what?  It's not their thing.  They 
have other things.  Their things aren't my things, and they're not trying 
to get me involved in their things because they're their things and they 
don't care that they're not my things, too.  Sociology PhD's working for 
universities can get grant money to study these kinds of disparities and 
publish the results and we can all read 'em with interest, but it doesn't 
change the fact that different cultures gravitate to different things, and 
there's nothing wrong with it.  It's just the way it is, and it's 
interesting to know it and acknowledge it, but there's no need to "fix" it. 
 I know this bothers Grant (there's my Riv content!), and he can have his 
issue with it but I don't share his concern.  I'm not offended by his 
concern over it and I don't think any less of him for it.  

When I lived in California in the 90's I learned that 90% of the donut 
shops in that state were owned by Cambodians.  Almost all of the women 
working in manicure shops are from Vietnam.  Most NBA and NFL players are 
black, but few hockey players, race car drivers, or professional golfers 
are.  In the absence of limits, a large fraction of the students at 
top-tier US universities are Asian.  These concentrations are way out of 
whack with the groups' representation in the general population.  Why is it 
like that?  'Cause it is, that's why, and it's fine.  Nobody's being shut 
out, except maybe the non-Asians who can't get into the supposed "elite" 
universities 'cause too many slots are taken up by the Asians, but the 
Asians get those slots because they've earned them through hard work, which 
is a *cultural* advantage they have over whites and blacks and Hispanics.  

Really, there's much ado about nothing here.  Like Patrick, I've been kinda 
fascinated by the concentration of certain races and nationalities in 
certain professions ever since I learned about those California 
Cambodians---but as an observer, not as someone who thinks it's evidence of 
something we need to fix.   

Finally, there's nothing wrong or offensive about Patrick's post.  What 
flows to the keyboard starts in the mind, and Patrick doesn't *think* in a 
way that would let him post something offensive.  Sochill.  No need for 
anyone to get their panties in a twist over this.  

Dave
Boston/Indy

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[RBW] Re: WTT: New Brooks B17 for B67

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So you have a B17 and you want a B67, or do you have a B67 and want a B17? 
 Or do you simply want the thrill of a deal and either is okay?

Dave

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Re: [RBW] First Rivendell — sizing question

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I won't weigh in on bike weight or specific models, but I've learned to 
stay away from the edges of a recommended PBH range.  My first Riv was a 
60cm first-generation Sam Hillborne for which my PBH of 88 cm was at the 
lower boundary of the range (and also at the upper boundary of the 
recommended range for the 56cm size).  I test rode both sizes, and while 
both felt good I had Riv's mantra of "go bigger" going through my mind so 
bought the 60 cm.  I could never love it, but later bought a 58cm for which 
I was in the middle of the PBH range and I love that one.  The differences 
are subtle in a way I can't articulate, but one is good and the other is 
great.  There may have been other differences between the generations, but 
I think most of it comes down to sizing.  

In retrospect, neither size of that Gen1 Hillborne was the right bike for 
me because I was the edge of the PBH range for both.  When Riv introduces 
new models or sizes now, I look first at the recommended range and if I'm 
not in the middle then I don't consider it.  That knocks some models out of 
contention right away, but I still manage to find enough bikes to fit my 
needs (and by "needs" I mean "wants").  

Dave

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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

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Yes, Jim, I agree.  I'd never use a Dirt Drop on one of my bikes, for that 
reason.  .  

Dave

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[RBW] Re: Closest geared Riv to QuickOne?

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"quite," not "quick" above.  I wish there were a way to correct these minor 
errors after posting, other than *this* way.  

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[RBW] Re: Closest geared Riv to QuickOne?

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Hi Ted,

The SO doesn't seem to sync with me quick as well as the QB or the AHH. 
 When I ride the QB or AHH I think I'm riding the perfect bike, but the SO 
is just good.  I think the most likely reason for the difference is the 
tires.  The builds of all 3 and my positions on all 3 are similar---all 
have drop handlebars that are even with or just slightly above the 
saddle---but I have 38mm Compass tires on the QB, cream 35mm Delta Cruisers 
on the SO, and Jack Brown greens on the Hilsen.  The Compass tires came on 
the QB and it's my first experience with them, but their feel on the QB has 
made me think there might be something valid behind all the hype.  The SO 
and QB are at different locations so I can't compare them side-by-side or 
experiment with tire swaps, or else I'd do that to test my hypothesis. 

Dave  

On Friday, May 10, 2019 at 9:50:37 AM UTC-4, ted wrote:
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> Dave, how do you find your SO different from your QB and AHH?

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[RBW] Re: Closest geared Riv to QuickOne?

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yes, that's his question.  

I'm not the font of Riv-knowledge that others on this forum are, but I have 
a Quickbeam, a Simpleone, and a Hilsen, and I lovelovelove the QB and the 
Hilsen and think their ride qualities are similar.  I don't know if they 
*should* be similar---seems to me the Hilsen should be a bit stouter---but 
to me they feel similar.  

Dave

On Friday, May 10, 2019 at 5:35:39 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
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>
> I believe Eric is inquiring as to another Riv frame that has a similar *ride 
> quality *to the QB, independent of any gearing method.  Just the frame 
> itself. 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Dynamo lights

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Hi Leah.  When I've traveled and bought stuff out of state, the rule has 
always been that if I take it with me, then I pay the tax, and if I have it 
shipped then I don't.  I doubt California would be any different.  It's 
always a question of how much to ship versus how much is the tax.  

I bought a bike once from an out-of-state dealer---my first Riv, in 
fact---and he was kind enough to drive it over the state line into my state 
so I could take delivery and not pay the tax.  Very kind of him.  I 
suggested that I pick it up from him in *his* state and we could *say* that 
he drove it over the line, but he wanted to do it the honest way.  Neither 
of those states was California, but again---I can't imagine that California 
would be any more lenient, although they might be stricter.  

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[RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

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Dame Leah Belleding?  It sure beats Frank Jones Sr.  

On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 11:34:59 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
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>
> Agree. Would not be a lot to ask for just one bike model to be named after 
> a woman. 

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[RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

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Dame Leah Belleding?  It sure beats Frank Jones Sr.  

Would not be a lot to ask for just one bike model to be named after a 
> woman. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dealing with verbal harrassment on the road

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I do one of two things when someone hollers at me as they're driving by:  I 
either ignore them or I smile and wave.  The latter reaction tends to 
confuse them, which makes that option a lot more fun.  

The people doing this are a-holes, and they're not worth the emotional 
capital it would take to get pissed off at them.  

>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 50cm Atlantis frame set (2018/MIT version)

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"Never usedBike was ridden for less than 200 miles."

How can it be both?

Dave
Boston/Indy

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

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I appreciate the information in this thread.  I use a Garmin Touring Edge 
that's useful, but I use it with some trepidation because it's not been 
entirely accurate over the years.  

I tour on paved roads and bike trails.  I want to put in my destination and 
have the navigator route me from here to there.  If I go off the route---on 
purpose or by accident---I want the navigator to "recalculate" and guide me 
back to the route.  I do not want to rely on my cell phone; I want that in 
my saddlebag in airplane mode.  The Garmin Edge Touring does all that, it 
just doesn't always do it correctly.  

Will the Elemnt do all that?  I get the impression from this thread that it 
doesn't think on the fly, so if I go off the route it's up to me to find my 
way back.  

Dave

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[RBW] Re: WTB 56cm Bombadil

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Geez, jamison---such irrational overlap of bikes and bike types, just 
'cause you want it?  You remind me of me.  

On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 5:46:04 PM UTC-5, jamison brosseau wrote:
>
> I agree with Bill and Joe, that a 56 Atlantis will do everything I am 
> looking for, except be a 56cm Bombadil.  I am planning on getting either a 
> 59 or a 56 Atlantis, and am leaning towards the 59 (love the curvy tube)  I 
> still really want a 56 bombadil, and am willing to wait.  FWIW I have a 60 
> Bombadil, 58 Hunqapillar, 59 Clem L, and an older 61 Atlantis, so it’s not 
> like I’m lacking mountainy bikes to ride.   
> Bottom line:  I want a 56 Bombadil and a MIT Atlantis. (And a 60cm Cheviot)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Volume of LARGE Saddlsack?

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Hi Patrick,

I checked my memory in a roundabout way and am 97.8 percent sure I'm 
correct.  I have a pair of Carradice Kendal panniers and was considering 
using those last spring on a tour, and remember thinking that the total 
volume of the Kendals at 32 liters was about the same as that of my large 
Saddlesack, so capacity-wise it didn't matter.   

Dave

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[RBW] Re: Volume of LARGE Saddlsack?

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Going by memory here, but I recall the description saying the volume was in 
the low-30 liters, like 30 to 32 liters.  
 
Dave

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[RBW] Re: No love for the Albastache?

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Thanks for WETH for the pic of his Cheviot and to Bill Lindsey for his 
recent review of Albastache bars on his Roadini in another post.  I've 
followed this thread with interest because I've had an Albastache bar 
sitting in the garage since last spring and didn't know what to do with it. 
 I've always liked the *idea* and quirkiness of the Mustache and the 
Albastache is kind of a Mustache but New and Improved (so I've read), so I 
bought an Albastache thinking I'd try it but then couldn't figure out what 
bike to swap it onto because I'm happy with all my current set-ups so why 
fix what ain't broke---right?  

Except I'm *not* happy with them all, which hit me when I saw WETH's 
Cheviot!  I've tried various uprights on my Cheviot, eventually going with 
Albatross bars that are set up relatively aggressively and are okay but not 
totally enamoring to me.  Because (I think) of those bars I'm kinda 
apathetic about the Cheviot---I don't *dis*like it, but I don't like it 
*much*---and seeing the Cheviot/Albastache combo and reading Bill's review 
made me realize that that may be my ticket to Cheviot bliss!  I really 
really *really* wanna like the Cheviot, and I've remained optimistic that 
somehow I'll find a way to achieve thatand could this be it?  I'll give 
it a shot.  

Dave
Boston/Indy

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Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary

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I agree with you in theory, but: 1) I don't like the looks of the ones I've 
seen, and 2) they're more expensive than a stem/riser combo, especially if 
you need more than one stem during fitting.  If you're in trial-and-error 
mode then modular is an advantage.  But if (for example) Nitto made one 
that looked like their Technomic- or Pearl-style stems with a removable 
face, I'd buy it.   

On Thursday, November 8, 2018 at 8:17:32 AM UTC-5, Hugh Flynn wrote:
>
> Best of both worlds is quill stem with removable face plate. Below Orange 
> makes some. 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I get the best of both worlds on about half my bikes by using a threadless 
stem and stem riser.  The stem is threadless and has a removable faceplate 
so I can swap the stem without stripping the bars.  It's attached to a 
riser that's essentially a threaded quill stem without the extension.  A 
link to Velo-Orange's option is below, but others make them as well (Soma 
is the other one I use when I need one that's longer than VO's).  It's not 
as elegant as a classic quill stem, but oh man, the added convenience 
overwhelms that drawback for most bikes.  

If you don't want to live with one forever, it's at least a great option to 
let you dial in your stem dimensions before that one final set-up that 
requires you to strip and retape.  

https://velo-orange.com/collections/stems/products/vo-threadless-stem-adaptor

Dave
Boston/Indy 

On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 11:16:50 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
> But OTOH, the huge amount of work saved by not having to untape the bar 
> and remove clamped-on fittings, and the savings in replacing bar tape (I 
> manage to mess up tape when removing it several times) makes the difference 
> in my opinion a wash. 
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[RBW] Re: Coverting a Rivendell to Lower Trail

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I'd think that the best way to convert a Riv to low trail is to sell the 
Riv and buy a low-trail bike.  Low trail, mid-trail, and high trail are 
fundamental aspects of a bike, IMO, and if the trail doesn't match what 
you're looking for then get one that does.  

Dave
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[RBW] Re: A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

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Just saw this string, Leah, and it made my day.  Thanks for sharing your 
story.  I always love your posts, and this was no exception.  

Dave
Boston/Indy

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[RBW] Re: Whatbars.com

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Hi Chip,

On behalf of all of usthank you!

Dave
Boston/Indy

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar comparison website

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Thanks, Eric.  I saw that on VO's blog and spent 10 minutes looking at 
various bars I have or thought I might want.  It's *very* useful for that.  

Dave
>
> Boston/Indy

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

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I second (and third and fourth) the comments that this is a fun question. 
 I thought about "Riv eras" recently although not quite in the terms 
defined above---more in terms that Riv models seem to be moving away from 
me now but there are several older models I'd still like to try.  

I'm firmly in the Golden Ager camp.  I have a Homer, a Quickbeam, a 
SimpleOne, a Frank Jones Sr, a Cheviot, and a couple of Sams.  Golden-Age 
era models that I've never owned but am smitten with are the Saluki, the 
Bleriot, the Ram, the Rodeo, and the MUSA Atlantis, and I may dabble in one 
or two of those models but I need to strive for N-1, or at worst N+0, at 
least for awhile.  Those wanna-dabble-in-'em models are sorta redundant to 
models I own now, but that hasn't stopped me before.  

I eschew double top tubes, so that's out.  And while I love the idea of the 
Proto-Riv era, weren't they limited to thinner tires, like 28mm max in some 
(or most) cases?  

Dave


  



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[RBW] Re: ATTN: Mass and Boston Folks: Builders Ball?

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I live a 15-minute walk from the venue but found out about this only a few 
days ago and will be out of town until Sunday night.  I'm bummed I won't be 
going, but I understand it's an annual event, right?

Nothing loaded when I clicked your link so I can't comment on the 
bikability of your route except to say that Boston has a good bike culture 
but in general it's slow going with all the traffic and lights.  Bike lanes 
are plentiful and well-marked.  

Hope you have fun.  I'm envious.  

Dave

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[RBW] Re: FS-Quickbeam 60 cm, multi geared, $1350

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Why is low interest in a for-sale ad posted with no pictures "surprising?" 
 Maybe everyone's waiting for the pics that 6 days you said would be 
coming.  

Dave

On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 2:59:21 PM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> Surprising lack of interest in this QB...
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[RBW] Re: FS: nitto r14 rear rack

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If you have pictures to send, so you not also have pictures to post?  

On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 10:08:24 PM UTC-4, Jeffrey B wrote:
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> Pictures sent

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[RBW] Re: CL outing: NIB Sam Hillborne Frame $899 OBO

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I'll probably have one like this available in October, in case anyone 
cares.  Also a first-edition green 60cm model.  It's not still wrapped; 
it's been built up for about 6 years but has very low mileage and is in 
excellent condition.  PM me if you want more information.  

Dave
Boston/Indy

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[RBW] Re: CL outing: NIB Sam Hillborne Frame $899 OBO

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Rereading what I just wrote above, I should clarify that I'll have a 
frame/fork/headset available.  Since "it's been built up for about 6 
years," what I'd have was kind of ambiguous (but I knew what I meant!).  

Dave

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[RBW] Re: Is a 6% change in gearing noticeable?

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Thanks, all, for the feedback.  I was planning to try a 17 first then 
increase to 18 if that wasn't enough---as Peter suggested---but would have 
jumped straight to 18 if folks told me to not bother with a measly 6% 
change, that I'd need more than that to do what I said I want to do.  But 
I'm reading the opposite, which is yeah, you'll notice the difference, so 
I'll try a 17.  

Deacon, I thought about a flip-flop, and thought someone might mention it, 
but I want to keep the set-up simple and want the change to be as minimal 
as possible.  I tend to overcomplicate things bike-related and want to 
avoid it this time.  

I should say here, because I've not said it anywhere else, that I bought a 
single speed as an experiment based mainly on the glowing reviews online 
about the concept.  I didn't have any real preconceptions about how much I 
would or wouldn't like it *except* that I thought I might find it limiting. 
 I was wrong; I love the bike, the ride, and the simplicity, and understand 
now why the Quickbeam and Simpleone are such beloved models.  

Thanks again to those who responded.  

Dave


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[RBW] Is a 6% change in gearing noticeable?

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi all.  One of the bikes I brought with me to Boston when I moved was a 
Quickbeam with 38mm tires, 42 teeth in front and 16 in back.  Sheldon puts 
it that 71.7 inches.  That worked well on the long, straight, and 
relatively uninterrupted roads north of Indianapolis, but I now find it too 
high because of the traffic and the congestion on paths.  I have to stop 
and go much more often and don't go as fast even when I am riding, and I 
want to lower the gearing to adjust for these new limitations.  Mainly I 
want to be able to get up to speed faster and easier when taking off from a 
red light, but also my overall cruising speed is slower because of the 
vehicular and pedestrian traffic.   

If I go from 16 to 17 teeth in back then the gear goes from 71.7 to 67.5 
inches, a 6.3% reduction.  Going from 16 to 18 teeth sends me down to 63.7 
inches, an 11.2% reduction.  I know I'll feel the change from 16 to 18, but 
in your experience would I notice a 6% reduction from 16 to 17, or is that 
too small a jump to make any practical difference?  Any recommendations 
from the single-speeders out there?  

Thanks.  

Dave
Boston/Indy

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[RBW] Re: Please tell me about your experience with caliper braked Hillbornes.

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Paul Racers are my brake of choice, when I get to choose.  I have them on 
two bikes, one of them a 650b rando with 42mm Hetres.  They fit those tires 
fine, but I wouldn't bet they'd go much wider.  

Dave
Boston/Indy

On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 6:49:42 PM UTC-4, Brett Callahan wrote:
>
> Joe, that begs a question! How fat were you able to go under the Paul's? 
>
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[RBW] Re: Do you think MUSA-RIVbike used sale values will change due to the current non-MUSA production bikes?

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I hope so.  I'd like a Waterford Atlantis someday and think their used 
prices may come down since it'll be competing with a new bike of the same 
model name, even though it's not the same bike.  

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[RBW] Re: Wald 137 bag recommendations?

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Hi Patch,

I just got mine and haven't used it yet, but it has straps on the sides 
that lock it into place.  It won't bounce out.  This big question is, I 
think, is it roomy enough for you and can you live without external 
pockets?  The price sure is right.  

Dave

On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 10:20:23 AM UTC-4, Patch T wrote:
>
>
> Dave, do you have the Acorn? Looks roomy and simple. Does it seem to be 
> able to hold tight on bumpy terrain?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Wald 137 bag recommendations?

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'll suggest the Acorn Basket Tote in case you're unfamiliar with it:

https://www.acornbags.com/products/basket-tote

It doesn't have outside storage compartments, but I think it meets your 
other criteria (depending on how "generous" you want the volume to be) and 
it's made of canvas by the hands of 2 magic elves in California.  Acorns 
are usually out of stock, but I just checked and khaki is in stock as I 
type this.  

Dave
Indy/Boston

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bob Jackson Vigorelli

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What is "SPF?"

On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 12:09:22 AM UTC-4, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> Bike is SPF.
>
> thx!
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have a spare Rivendell mug they're willing to part with?

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I just noticed that while browsing the site, came to the board to pass the 
word, and see you beat me by an hour.  One's in my cart and will be coming 
to me as soon as I figure out what needs to keep it company on its trip 
cross-country.  

Dave
Boston, MA

On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 4:41:48 PM UTC-4, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> I got a notification that the mugs are back.  Since mine have shipped, I 
> think it is safe to let everyone else know they are available.  
> Matt in Oswego
>
>

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[RBW] Re: N+4?

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Rod,

That's as fine a rationalization as I've heard or read in awhile.  In fact, 
it's as good as the ones I tell my wife on a too-regular basis.  

Dave

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[RBW] Re: Items for Sale

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Thanks for your reply, Tom.  In that case, can you tell me specifically 
what wheelset it is and what the rear spacing is?  VO lists only a Grand 
Cru Diagonale wheelset in 650b, but it looks high-polish while your's looks 
satiny.  I'm toying with the idea of a 650b conversion and am interested, 
but need more information.

On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 11:42:50 AM UTC-4, Tom Norton wrote:
>
> 650b  

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[RBW] Re: Items for Sale

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Is the VO wheel set 700c or 650b?

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[RBW] Re: Surprised that proto rosco is still available

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Too small for me.  I was ready to buy a Roscoe before they came out, but 
none fit me well.  At best I was at the very edge of the PBH range and I 
don't want to be there, I want to toward the middle.  Riv didn't build any 
that met that criterion, so I remain Bubbe-less.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

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I never had a patch fail until I tried a glueless patch.  It lasted a week. 
 I replaced it with another one and it lasted a day.  I threw the rest of 
the pack away and am now back to "regular" patches.  They're permanent.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wildlife; rain; load

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Thanks much, Patrick.  I just order 12 boxes---more than I'll ever need but 
it was the minimum order.  I'm looking forward to trying them.  

Dave

On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 1:16:10 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> You can scare a lot of dogs with this order:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/i/172638698156?chn=ps=1
>

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[RBW] Re: FS 56cm Hillborne

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

If you have pics, then why not post them with the ad?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wildlife; rain; load

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I've never heard of snap and pops, so looked it up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bang_snaps

The only thing that makes me nervous sometimes while riding is dogs, and if 
these might dissuade a mutt in pursuit then I want some.  Where can I buy 
some?  I live in Indiana in case that matters.  

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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

John, something I've wondered about lately, and just realized that you're a 
perfect person to ask:

What's the difference between the Saluki and the Bleriot?  I know the 
Bleriot is Taiwan-built, but from everything I've read I'd expect the 
capabilities and ride qualities of these 2 models to be very similar, if 
not identical.  Are there differences I'm overlooking or unaware of, such 
as differences in the tubists that translate to differences in the bikes' 
qualities?  Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

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Thanks for that history and context, John.  

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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hugh, I've wondered the same thing.  I'd be interested in a 60cm or 61cm 
Saluki---I can't remember if they come in odd or even sizes---but haven't 
seen one become available since I started watching.  I have a 700c Hilsen 
and love it, and would like to try a 650b Saluki that would let me put even 
fatter tires on it.  I agree with Sky that the Hilsen and Saluki are 
identical if they're both 650b, but in my size the wheel sizes differ.  

I recall a post from a few months ago in which someone described a NOS 
frame they'd bought from Rivendell that wasn't labeled, and Riv told her 
that it was a Saluki or Hilsen, take your pick because they're the same. 
 If that came from Riv than it's proof enough to me that the models are the 
same.  

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[RBW] Re: Driver: "I don't know bike language"

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I thought I was the only one who did that.  It works well for me, and I 
usually get the impression that the drivers behind me appreciate it.  I 
often get a little "thank you" wave as they pass.  I don't want to hold 
anyone up any more than they want to *be* held up, and if I can facilitate 
their safe passing then we're both happier about it.  

On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 9:00:56 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
> If I am coming to the top of blind crest on a 2 lane road I will gesture 
> with gusto a left hand out to "wait" directed outward , just like I'd do 
> with someone standing nearby. 
>
> If a car is behind me and they seem hesitant yo pass, I'll wait until it's 
> clear in both lanes and give a good rolling circular wave. People seem to 
> understand. I rather act like I'm directing traffic, no, I am directing it 
> and people seem to appreciate the communication with them as real people 
> just like me, not "things" that are competing with each other. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Favorite Platform Pedals

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

V-O Sabot.  Reasons:  1) They're silver; 2) They're very well made and 
durable; 3) They're grippy without being so grippy that they chew up the 
soles of my feet (although they're not as grippy in rain as I'd like them 
to be); and 4) The platform is among the largest I've seen with a platform 
pedal.  I also like the others that have been mentioned, but the Sabots are 
my favorite.  

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[RBW] Re: Mavic Open Pro and dynamo wheel question

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I'm not a wheel or rim expert, but my impression of the Open Pro is that 
it's more suitable for racier bikes, and is not the best choice for rando 
or touring bikes because it's not as hardy as other choices.  The 
randonneurs and tourists are the folks who tend to gravitate to dynamo 
hubs, and they usually want something tougher than the Open Pro.  So I 
don't see any problem with lacing a dynamo hub to an Open Pro rim, but I 
don't think they suit the same objective.  

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[RBW] Re: Cheviotlantis

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Thanks, Keith.  At the top it says "local pickup only," and I didn't see 
the contradictory bit at the end of the description.  I guess I need to go 
back and look at it more carefully.  

On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 9:17:14 PM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Actually, it says free shipping anywhere in US.  I looked too, but can't 
> afford at the moment.   You, however,  are out of excuses. ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Cheviotlantis

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I saw it and considered it for about 3 seconds until I saw that it's 
pick-up only in North Carolina.  It does look good.  

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[RBW] Re: FS - For sale, rivendell atlantis,

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What Mike said---you need to price it.  

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[RBW] Re: Custom bike

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For those of us without an Instagram account, it'd be nice if you could 
post pictures of the bike you're describing.  

Dave

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[RBW] Re: FS Choco bars/Nitto stem

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No offense, Carla, but if you're putting something out there for sale then 
you need to set a price.  If you don't want to do that then I suggest eBay. 
 

Dave

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[RBW] Re: How much drop from the bar can I get out of a Berthoud decaleur?

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That's the most informative answer I could have hoped for, Ron.  Thanks.  

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 1:49:09 PM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Dave, I always loop it.  - even had a photo with it closed
>
> 
> it wrinkles there a bit but everything works fine.  
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 12:16:38 PM UTC-5, Dave Small wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ron.  I've been curious about an aspect of decaleur use and this is 
>> perfect time to ask.  
>>
>> I use Acorn front bags with the stabilizer straps that came with it, 
>> looped around my drop handlebars below the brake hoods.  When the lid is 
>> closed, the top is laying over the bag's opening and the rearward flap 
>> slips down behind the bag and I fasten the elastic band to the hook on the 
>> bag.  In your picture and in many other pictures I've seen of decaleurs 
>> installed, the 2 bars going from the stem to the bag occupy the same space 
>> as the lid flap does when it's closed.  
>>
>> How do you handle this---do you always leave your lid unfastened and 
>> never loop it in?   
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>>


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[RBW] Re: How much drop from the bar can I get out of a Berthoud decaleur?

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Ron.  I've been curious about an aspect of decaleur use and this is 
perfect time to ask.  

I use Acorn front bags with the stabilizer straps that came with it, looped 
around my drop handlebars below the brake hoods.  When the lid is closed, 
the top is laying over the bag's opening and the rearward flap slips down 
behind the bag and I fasten the elastic band to the hook on the bag.  In 
your picture and in many other pictures I've seen of decaleurs installed, 
the 2 bars going from the stem to the bag occupy the same space as the lid 
flap does when it's closed.  

How do you handle this---do you always leave your lid unfastened and never 
loop it in?   

Dave

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 6:15:31 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I've posted these before
>
>  
>
> Set up for a tall Acorn rando on a 25" Raleigh frame, I just measured the 
> drop - right at 80mm, using the long Berthoud decaleur, with it tilted 
> forward enough to grab the bag properly.  
>
> I'm looking to buy another of these to also use the bag on my upright bike 
> with Map bars in almost identical height position.  
>
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 11:43:05 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>> *But the main question is how much drop reach below the bars could I get? 
>> Got pics of yours?*
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Hitch rack recommendations?

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I use a Transit rack that I got for $200 from Performance a few years ago. 
 It looks exactly like the 2-bike version of the Hollywood rack that Weth 
linked to above, and I love it except for one thing:  I have to secure it 
with a strap leading from the pole to the front edge of the trunk, 
tightened down to prevent bouncing.  The strap comes with the rack, but 
it's a minor hassle to install and prevents access to the trunk while it's 
installed.  The link to the Hollywood says it "features patented 'no 
wobble-no tools' hitch tightening system" which would make this perfect for 
my bikes, all of which have fenders.  I'm going to look more into the 
Hollywood when I get a chance.  

Dave
Indianapolis, IN

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo for sale on SFbay craigslist

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

He'll sell it today for $450, but $550 is the cash price.  Hm.

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo for sale on SFbay craigslist

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

He'll sell it today for $450, but $550 is the case price.  Hm.

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