[RBW] 52 Clem frame sor sale

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm going to sell my 52 Clem L frame in a couple of weeks so I thought I 
would offer it here first.  It's the dark bronze green color and in like 
new condition.  It might have 80 miles on it.  Riv talked me into sizing up 
when I bought it and it's never felt quite right, so I'm replacing it with 
a Rosco Plat.  I live in Seattle and would much prefer to sell it locally. 
 Asking $850.


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Freight Baggage bag

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

SOLD


On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 9:44:40 PM UTC-7 WilletM wrote:

> Thanks for the pics. I would definitely like to buy it, and could do 
> PayPal or whatever you would prefer. I use Surly 24-pack racks on several 
> bikes, and I believe I can make the attachment straps work for that.
>
> Willet M.
>
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> On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 22:20, 'Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch
>  wrote:
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 29, 2022, at 8:32 PM, Keith Swanson  wrote:
>
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image5.jpeg][image: 
> image6.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 29, 2022, at 7:08 PM, 'WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I would definitely be interested in seeing pics of this and would probably 
> buy it, depending on the color.  I tried to order a porteur bag years ago 
> before they closed but never was able to complete the process of ordering a 
> custom.
>
> Willet M.
> Carbondale, CO
>
> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 7:03:04 PM UTC-6 Keith Swanson wrote:
>
> Lightly used Freight Baggage waterproof roll top bag, designed to fit the 
> Pass & Stow rack.  Works great.$125 plus actual shipping.  Please message 
> for pictures.
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[RBW] FS Freight Baggage bag

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Lightly used Freight Baggage waterproof roll top bag, designed to fit the 
Pass & Stow rack.  Works great.$125 plus actual shipping.  Please message 
for pictures.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus/Clem sizing

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for all of your input-it helps a lot.  

On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 3:48:04 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Don’t get me wrong, your advice seems sound. Mine was a personal 
> experience only without any prior Riv sizing reference.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Apr 26, 2022, at 4:43 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Well I'm just trying to offer a basic guideline for one particular model 
> whose dimensions have changed a lot over the years. It would appear I'm 
> trying too hard in a thread that doesn't need my input. I'm out! ‍♂️
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:24:03 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hmm, not sure how that would have helped me? I’d of had no useable frame 
>> of reference. The Clem is so long I might have discounted it out of hand. I 
>> was trying to get more comfortable while upright & would not have thought 
>> it possible given the effective top tube measurement. And then on top of 
>> that the bike I was considering came with a 13cm stem! But a few pedal 
>> strokes wa all it took.:)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 26, 2022, at 4:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> Basically the trick to purchasing any Clem - especially used - is to get 
>> the effective toptube number and start from there. I know Grant hates this 
>> advice but you gotta have some kinda guideline if you're not able to ride 
>> it first. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 12:45:23 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> When I spoke to Grant about the Clem a few years ago he suggested the 59 
>>> would work well for me but I decided on a 52 in large part for the wheel 
>>> size. But, that conversation may have been based on the first gen geometry 
>>> which has changed.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 3:23:04 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Interesting observation. I love the fit of my 52 Clem but wonder if I 
 “should” be on a 59? A little more than a fistful of seatpost showing and 
 with a 130mm (I know!) FacePater & 650 wide Tosco. The stem is as high as 
 it can go. So a 59 could work I guess but with a much shorter stem? 
 According to the size suggestions you reference I should definitely be on 
 a 
 52. But based on PBH I could probably be comfortable on a 59. 

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 26, 2022, at 1:15 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 I wish they would cut this part from the product description:


- 45cm / 27.5-inch new mountain bikey size wheels. Typical rider 
height: 5-0 to 5-5
- 52cm / 27.5-inch new mountain bikey size wheels. Typical rider 
height: 5-5 to 5-11

 It's from the first batch and doesn't even correspond to the PBH recs 
 elsewhere in the description. Nobody 5 feet tall is riding a current 45cm 
 Clem L. 

 On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:34:32 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Good catch Joe. I think that is a good change and makes sense with the 
> lng  chainstays.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:28:32 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>>
>> To clarify, the 45cm Clem L is a 27.5/650b bike now. And longer ETT 
>> than the old 26-ers. 
>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 5:23:06 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Keith,
>>> I ride a 52 Clem and am 5'10" with an 83 PBH. I could ride a 59 I 
>>> think but I prefer the 650b wheels. The 45 Clem has 26 inch wheels 
>>> while 
>>> the 59 has 700c. It's so cool that wheel size scales to frame size! 
>>> That 
>>> you can ride multiple sizes is one advantage (of several) to the low 
>>> top 
>>> tube bikes. Here is a photo of mine set up for me and you can see I 
>>> have 
>>> plenty of seat post showing.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> [image: Clem L.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 7:30:04 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Keith, here’s a photo of my Platypus; you can see how little seat 
 post is showing. But I promise it’s the right size!

 [image: image0.jpeg]

 On Apr 26, 2022, at 7:27 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Hi Keith, I have the 52 Clem and the 55 Platy. They are completely 
 different bikes and the sizing is confusing because the 52 Clem feels 
 bigger than the 55 Platypus. I am 5’6”, with an 81 cm PBH. 
 Technically, I 
 would be sized for the top end of the 50 Platy, but I like to size up 
 if I 
 can. I have very little seat post showing, but I can’t imagine riding 
 the 
 smaller-sized Platypus. I love how the 55 Platypus fits me. The Clem 
 also 
 feels right to me, but it took a lot of experimenting with stems 
 before I 
 settled into it. I think I have an 80 on the Clem and a 100 on the 
 Platy. 
 After riding the Clem, my 

[RBW] Platypus/Clem sizing

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have a 52 Clem L that feels a bit large for me and am trying to decide 
whether to replace it with a 50 Platypus or a 45 Clem L (If anyone has a 50 
Cheviot frame in silver or blue I would be interested).  Does anyone know 
if there's much of a difference between the two sizes?  The 52 Clementine I 
test rode felt much different than the one I have now.

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[RBW] WTB: 50 cm Cheviot frame and fork.

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Still looking for a 50 cm Cheviot frame and fork in silver or blue.

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[RBW] WTB: 13 cm stem

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In search of a Tallux 13cm stem with a 25.4 clamp.

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[RBW] WTB: 50 Silver Cheviot

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Looking for a 50 Silver Cheviot, frame or complete.  

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[RBW] 45 Clem L in Seattle?

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have a 52 Clem L and would like to know how different a 45 rides.  Is 
there anyone in the Seattle area with one who would be willing to share?  

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[RBW] WTB: Silver 50 Cheviot

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm looking for a silver 50 Cheviot frame, perhaps complete bike for the 
right price.  

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[RBW] Front derailleur help

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I thought I had one when I was collecting parts, but now I'm looking for a 
front derailleur for my Appaloosa. 28.6 clamp.  I'm using the wide low 
38-24 silver double and a 9 speed cassette.  Apparently Shimano has 
discontinued the ones Riv sold and they are searching for something else. 
 Any suggestions?  This is only my second time building a bike from parts 
so any help would be greatly appreciated.  

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Small Clem L, Cheviot, or other Riv Step-Thru or Mixte

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I believe Analog has a 50 cm Cheviot frame.

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 7:28:32 AM UTC-7, Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
NY) wrote:
>
> I know this is a long shot considering the popularity of these bikes in 
> these sizes, but we're looking for a Riv step-thru or mixte (frame or 
> complete) for my wife who is ~5'4". A 45 cm Clem L would be ideal, 
> obviously, but we'd also consider a 50 cm Chev or one of the older 
> step-thru or mixte frames in similar size (Clementine, Glorious, Yves 
> Gomez, etc.). 
>
> Anybody got something they've been thinking of selling or leads on online 
> shops that might have something in stock? Riv is all sold out of the above 
> mentioned and no clue when the next shipment of Clem or Cheviot frames will 
> land. I've even thought about building up a Soma Buena Vista but not crazy 
> about the color options and overall aesthetics compared to a Riv. Let me 
> know if you have any other recommendations? Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] FS: Nitto Mark's Rack M1

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

No worries. I hope things are going ok for you. I would have added the saddle 
to my purchase but I just got furloughed too. 

Best,
Keith

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> On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:31 AM, Conway Bennett  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> USPS tracking number:
> 
> 9534 6105 8777 0104 5043 52
> 
> Sorry for the delay!
> 
> 
> Fair winds,
> 
> Captain Conway Bennett
> 239.877.4119
> 
>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 4:53 PM 'Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>> Shipped. From Rockford originally but fled when young. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 2:51 PM, Conway Bennett 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I do. Am I shipping it or is this going to be a pickup order?  This is the 
>>> correct PayPal address either way.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Fair winds,
>>> 
>>> Captain Conway Bennett
>>> 239.877.4119
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 4:45 PM 'Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> If you still have it I’ll take it. 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> > On Apr 5, 2020, at 2:38 PM, Conway Bennett 
>>>> >  wrote:
>>>> > 
>>>> > Dave,
>>>> > 
>>>> > It was a pretty straight forward transaction but a great value.  I am 
>>>> > actually gifting it to my sister-in-law.
>>>> > 
>>>> > Keith,
>>>> > 
>>>> > Good catch.  I am in Chicago. 
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Re: [RBW] Best of Boneshaker 50%

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Thanks for the recommendation-I’m enjoying both at the moment, especially the 
novel.  I would be interested in a thread containing reading recommendations 
like this.  

> On Apr 8, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Michael Mann  wrote:
> 
> For those of you familiar with Boneshaker Almanac, Evan P Schneider (editor) 
> is offering the Best Of compilation at half price. It makes for great 
> quarantine reading, kind of an alternative Riv Reader with less how to and a 
> smidge more poetry.
> Also recommend his novel, which is 1/2 off in the link as well.
> https://www.bestofboneshaker.com/order/ 
> 
> 
> Mike M
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone using a RBW Nitto Basket Rack on a Clem H?

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I have a Pass & Stow for that purpose.  
I’m still waiting for the big basket to be back in stock.
> On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:42 AM, j.schwartz  wrote:
> 
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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

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Thank you James-I couldn’t have put it better!

> On Apr 10, 2020, at 8:20 AM, James Davis  wrote:
> 
> Carl, I hear you. Sometimes these objects do feel like they create an 
> exclusive culture. I would argue that they are just part of one of the many 
> bicycling subcultures that exist in our consumer capitalist culture. However, 
> those cyclists don’t represent the everyday bicyclist and those objects may 
> be a part of a different purchasing decision making process.
> 
> It’s likely that many ordinary people who ride and use jand or Wald products 
> don’t even interact with instagram bicycle culture, so those companies don’t 
> need to market their goods on that platform. I’m sure that if those companies 
> saw an economic benefit in joining that platform they would. It also helps 
> that those older companies have relationships developed with bike shops 
> across the country and have been making bike products for a long time, which 
> helps with their established distribution channels.
> 
> For younger bicycle businesses, like swift makeshifter and bags x bird, IG is 
> a relatively free promotional platform to reach people who may be interested 
> in their handcrafted goods. These items are only seen as high end because 
> their price reflects the real price of a small group of people making hand 
> crafted items with quality materials at a smaller scale(something I have 
> learned as the partner of an owner of a small scale clothing line owner). 
> They are talking directly to and with the bicycle culture that may be 
> interested in their goods on that platform. I’m thankful that they have that 
> platform to be able to make their businesses a reality. I am sure a 
> significant portion of their sales comes from that platform. I just bought a 
> saddle bag from make shifter, because I believe in paying up for a product 
> made by a person I can talk directly with. It’s the same reason why I buy 
> rivendells. It’s a privilege for sure, but one that I believe is important.
> 
> It’s tough because that IG culture does feel like it leaves a lot of folks 
> out. However, like any subculture of folks interested in a practice, it only 
> looks like it is more predominant because they are saavy media users. I would 
> liken it to the punk subculture or the Grateful Dead subculture. I suppose 
> that’s why I like this list a lot. It’s united by a just ride ethos, rather 
> than an object. There are a ton of people on this list that have riv-I-fied 
> their non-riv bikes. However, I suppose that we are another bike subculture 
> that also appears exclusive to other folks looking at us. I know I have felt 
> like my lack of technical expertise made me a riv-rider that didn’t quite fit.
> 
> Anyways, I hope this all makes sense. I just wanted to add my two cents worth 
> of thoughts. Feel free to throw it in the dustbin of history if it isn’t 
> useful to y’all. All my best to all of you and your families.
> 
> James “Overthinking things for Decades” Gardner Davis
> Denver, CO
> 
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 5:39 PM tuolumnebikes  > wrote:
> Looked up Wald--nothing, Jandd has a Jandd-jp account with 428 
> followers. Swift has 57.2K followers, and there's no need to follow them 
> since their message is multiplied by influencers and happy customers. 
> Clearly it's up to the companies to do their marketing consistent with 
> their price points, and kudos to Swift for their products and marketing.
> 
> My point is that while developing markets for high end stuff is good for 
> the diversity of the marketplace, it has the unfortunate downside of 
> training people to think that perfectly good or maybe even excellent 
> ordinary stuff is not quite good enough which raises the bar for people 
> of modest means or those traditionally less represented among bike 
> riders to join the party. I don't mean to discount the LBSs, coops, and 
> coalitions doing great work to get and keep people riding and smiling at 
> modest cost. Any support for Taiwanese Fender Day?
> 
> On 4/8/2020 11:45 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
> > Are they at the groovy Instagram party? I follow bikey stuff I come across 
> > there..albeit a small sample, I don't have an appetite for making that site 
> > a big habit for me. I'd follow Wald for sure.
> >
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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

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I bought a full set of panniers and a saddlebag from Swift when they were still 
working out of their house. I took the saddlebag in this summer to have the 
snaps replaced which they did at no charge-great people to work with. Not 
inexpensive, but I’d venture to guess that Wald’s labor costs are half of 
theirs, not to mention their rent downtown. 

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> On Apr 7, 2020, at 2:17 PM, franklyn  wrote:
> 
> 
> I also think that Swift. Outer Shell, Ruthworks, ILE, etc. are priced to 
> allow livable wages where the bag makers live, which I think is a very 
> important factor.
> 
> Franklyn
> 
>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 12:56:42 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Probably. I think Swift is priced on par with other USA bagmakers at similar 
>> quality and size levels.
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Re: [RBW] Wald Bag

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Which are you referring to?  Aside from Riv I found Troutman and Porcelain 
Rocket when I searched. Thanks. 

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> On Apr 7, 2020, at 3:36 AM, Eric Daume  wrote:
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> +1 to Tim’s comments. I have the bigger one that I use all the time, and I 
> really value it. Made in the USA too! I think these bags are both under rated 
> and overlooked as people spend a lot more money on fancier offerings.
> 
> Eric
> 
>> On Monday, April 6, 2020, Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
>>  wrote:
>> They're great. I have both sizes. The medium is perfect for commuting. The 
>> large is great if you need to snag something extra at the store. They hold 
>> up to rain pretty well, especially if they aren't packed full and you can 
>> fold the zipper over. Not fully waterproof in sustained hard rain. Very 
>> convenient for everyday, around town use. Most the time I just plop in the 
>> bag without bungies. I haven't tried other basket bags, I don't have much to 
>> compare to, but I haven't felt much need for anything else.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Tim 
>> PDX
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Re: [RBW] FS: Nitto Mark's Rack M1

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Shipped. From Rockford originally but fled when young. 

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> wrote:
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> 
> I do. Am I shipping it or is this going to be a pickup order?  This is the 
> correct PayPal address either way.
> 
> 
> Fair winds,
> 
> Captain Conway Bennett
> 239.877.4119
> 
>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 4:45 PM 'Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>> If you still have it I’ll take it. 
>> 
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>> > On Apr 5, 2020, at 2:38 PM, Conway Bennett 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Dave,
>> > 
>> > It was a pretty straight forward transaction but a great value.  I am 
>> > actually gifting it to my sister-in-law.
>> > 
>> > Keith,
>> > 
>> > Good catch.  I am in Chicago. 
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Re: [RBW] FS: Nitto Mark's Rack M1

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If you still have it I’ll take it. 

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> wrote:
> 
> Dave,
> 
> It was a pretty straight forward transaction but a great value.  I am 
> actually gifting it to my sister-in-law.
> 
> Keith,
> 
> Good catch.  I am in Chicago. 
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Re: [RBW] FS: Nitto Mark's Rack M1

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Where are you?

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> On Apr 5, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Conway Bennett  
> wrote:
> 
> This is a take off from a bike I bought but will not be using.  $100 shipped 
> net to me CONUS.  I will sell the Wald rack too but it might be too expensive 
> to ship to be worth it. But I will do $100 for both the rack and the basket 
> if you come pick them up.
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> https://photos.app.goo.gl/dmf2CCwnNHiDTfzW7
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> - Conway
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bags, Bags, Bags and More

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Could you send a picture of the Brenn please?

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> On Mar 28, 2020, at 1:09 PM, Ahmed Elgasseir  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 10:57:08 AM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>> Can you post a picture of the VO saddle bag and the VO rack?
>> 
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>> 
>>> On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 1:22:09 AM UTC-4, Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:
>>> Corona Clean Up of the Garage...
>>> Apologies in advance for any "For Sale" faux pas, as this is really my 
>>> first attempt at selling stuff on here. 
>>> 
>>> I am a Riv nerd with four rivs so over the years I have collected a bunch 
>>> of different bags and things in an attempt to dial things up just the way I 
>>> want. Many impulse buys the just didn't work but they're all in almost 
>>> perfect condition, if not totally unused. 
>>> 
>>> Prices are not including shipping. PayPal or local pickup - I am on the 
>>> Peninsula in Sillycon Valley. If you're interested I will send more 
>>> info/pics. 
>>> 
>>> Brenn Bags (@cbrennbags in Scotland) Custom Saddle bag leather/treated 
>>> canvas, never used - $50
>>> Rivendell Sackville Saddle Sack SMALL - never used. They don't make this 
>>> anymore so it's a fun "rare" item. - $125
>>> Ruthworks Custom Brevet - it was on a bike for a hot minute and is in 
>>> stellar condition - $125
>>> Ruthworks Custom Standard Wedge - Never used. - $100
>>> Ruthworks Ultralight Brevet, used on one ride but in like new condition - 
>>> $75
>>> Ruthworks Ultralight Wedge, slightly used, $50
>>> Carradice Carradry Heavy Duty saddle bag, never used - $25
>>> Carradice "Super C" Cotton Canvas Saddle Pack, never used - $25
>>> Trash Messenger Bags Custom RED "Wastebasket" fanny pack/mini messenger 
>>> bag, never used - $50
>>> Velo Orange Saddlebag in canvas and leather, never used - $20
>>> Restrap Saddle Bag 8.5x5 rolled up, never used - $25
>>> Velo Orange Constructeur Front Rack, never used - $75
>>> Nitto M12 Front Rack, never used - $80
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Does Riv still post a typical parts "group" for frame purchases?

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I just called and Cory sent me one. 

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> On Mar 26, 2020, at 8:49 AM, Addison Wilhite  wrote:
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> 
> Morning all,
> Seems like in my memory on the Riv site I recall they used to have a couple 
> of general parts groups, that they would offer when you ordered a frame.
> Vaguely remembering something like a "typical economical group" or a slightly 
> more expensive group.  Obviously I know they will build up your frame how you 
> want but was curious if they still have that info on the website and I'm just 
> not seeing it?
> 
> Hope everyone is hanging in there wherever you may be!  Snowing here in Reno.
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[RBW] Clem rack

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Is anyone using the Clem rack as a basket support on the front?  There are 
a couple of pictures on the Rivendell site that appear to have it on the 
front, but they're not great.  

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Re: [RBW] Sycamore Canyon is a perfect place

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That is a perfect place!  Where is it?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Inventory

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I talked to Vince today and mid-May is the expected time for Clems. 

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> On Mar 1, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
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> I’ll do that. Thank you, Keith. 
> 
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>>> On Mar 1, 2020, at 5:47 PM, 'Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> When I bought mine they told me the next opportunity would be mid-March or 
>> so.  Email Spencer and ask.  He seems to be quickest with email responses.
>> 
>>> On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-8, DHans wrote:
>>> I could call Riv and ask but I thought I’d check here first. Does anyone 
>>> know when they will have the Clem L completes or frames back in stock? 
>>> Doug
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Re: [RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

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I tried to refrain from posting about this but I have to.  A custom anything is 
a tremendous amount of work no matter what it is, and in my  experience none of 
the parties involved except the material supplier is charging what they should 
to properly compensate themselves.  Customers forget how quickly the hours add 
up on any little project.  This is aside from how long it took the people 
involved to learn their craft.  If one wants to have customers, you cannot 
charge enough to cover all of your time, even if the project goes perfectly.  
Those of us who do custom work do it because we love what we’re doing, not 
because it’s lucrative.



> On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:05 AM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
> 
> I agree that $4k is a bargain for a custom bike, especially if your intended 
> use includes commuting/utility cycling. Good luck owning and operating a car 
> for that price. 
> 
> The reason my next bike won’t be a Riv is a variation of your option E - I’m 
> interested in heretical technologies. I’d like to experiment with a Rohloff 
> drivetrain, Gates belt drive, and disc brakes, all of which offer potentially 
> compelling advantages in my soggy part of the world. I dig my Hunqapillar, 
> but I keep a browser tab open on the Surly Ogre...
> 
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
> 
> Sent from my Atari 400
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Kieran 
>> 
>> You didn't state an opinion about Rivendell's custom prices.  You only 
>> stated that $3300 is a high price for a rejected custom.  I agree with that 
>> opinion wholeheartedly.  In my opinion, at least half of the value of a 
>> custom is that it is custom.  The freedom to make something that has never 
>> been made before.  That freedom is worth $2000 to me, and in my opinion, the 
>> moment that custom is actually built, that $2000 worth of freedom is 
>> absolutely gone.  It's been spent.  In other words, it is no longer custom.  
>> I would never pay a penny more than half-price on a rejected custom.  Used 
>> stock bikes retain their value in re-sale, because they are stock.  
>> 
>> Your post here implies that you have an opinion about the price of Rivendell 
>> customs, and I'll go out on a limb and guess that your opinion is that the 
>> price is too high. The nuance, and the place where I think interesting 
>> discussion happens, is why people think $4000 is too high a price.  I can 
>> imagine a bunch of different reasons why:
>> 
>> A. $4000 is too much for me to spend on a bike frame.  I can't afford it, 
>> and if I could, I would be too worried about protecting it to enjoy it
>> B. $4000 is a rip-off.  Rivendell is price gouging.  Riv is skimming way too 
>> much profit on a frame that's nowhere near that expensive to build
>> C. $4000 is too high because builder X will build whatever I request for 
>> $2500 and so it's just as good a bike for $1500 less
>> D. $4000 is too high because stock Riv Z is so good and so much more 
>> affordable
>> 
>> I totally understand and empathize with A.  I would disagree vehemently with 
>> B.  I think there's a really useful discussion to be had around C.  I 
>> wholeheartedly endorse D, but comprehend that many retro-minded Riv devotees 
>> want the more conventional Rivendell forms (aka short chainstays).
>> 
>> My main reason for not buying a custom may be E:  I'm way too opinionated to 
>> completely surrender the design process to Grant.  Grant has talked me out 
>> of a custom at least twice over the years.  My stock Rivs are spectacular, 
>> partially because I ride Grant's frame size :).  
>> 
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> 
>> On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 9:48:29 AM UTC-8, Kieran J wrote:
>> In hindsight, my comments sound judge-y and insensitive. That was not my 
>> intent; I don't know anything about the original buyer of this custom so I 
>> shouldn't go there. 
>> My opinion of Riv's custom prices remains the same though. 
>> 
>> KJ
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 2:06:07 PM UTC-8, Mark Roland wrote:
>> "There's something perversely decadent about a Riv shop person being able to 
>> afford something like this" 
>> 
>> On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 12:41:27 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>> 
>> 2. I'm not sure where employee pricing crept into this discussion. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Clem Inventory

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

When I bought mine they told me the next opportunity would be mid-March or 
so.  Email Spencer and ask.  He seems to be quickest with email responses.

On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-8, DHans wrote:
>
> I could call Riv and ask but I thought I’d check here first. Does anyone 
> know when they will have the Clem L completes or frames back in stock? 
> Doug

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[RBW] Seatttle Clem L

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I was wondering if there is anyone in Seattle who had a 45 Clem L and would 
be willing to let me test ride it.  I  have a a 52 and of course would be 
happy to reciprocate.  I'm one of those people who is between sizes and 
would like to see what the 45 is like.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The last of the phenomenal Clem H’s

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sorry-hit the wrong thread. 

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> On Jan 5, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Keith Swanson  wrote:
> 
> I’m 5’5 with a 29” inseam, pbh 77.5  and am trying to dial in my 52.  I 
> think I’ll get it there but would probably have gone with a 45 in hindsight. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 2:40 PM, John_ C  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I'm curios about the 52 myself. I'm 5'6 and about a 29" inseam. Thinking of 
>> setting up with a Billie or Bosco to bring the reach back. 52 sound about 
>> right? 
>> 
>>> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 1:37:54 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> How tall is she? That 52 is a big bike.
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Re: [RBW] Re: The last of the phenomenal Clem H’s

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I’m 5’5 with a 29” inseam, pbh 77.5  and am trying to dial in my 52.  I think 
I’ll get it there but would probably have gone with a 45 in hindsight. 

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> On Jan 5, 2020, at 2:40 PM, John_ C  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm curios about the 52 myself. I'm 5'6 and about a 29" inseam. Thinking of 
> setting up with a Billie or Bosco to bring the reach back. 52 sound about 
> right? 
> 
>> On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 1:37:54 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>> How tall is she? That 52 is a big bike.
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Re: [RBW] Clem L set up

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I don’t think you’re imagining things. What sold me on the 52 was riding an 
orange 52 at Rivelo. I rode the 50 Cheviot at the same time and it was just not 
as plush, but fit ok. 

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> On Jan 5, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> I have imagined starting a new thread about this, but I fear it will come 
> off as ugly or mean and I don’t want that. 
> 
> What I mean to find out is whether the expanded geometry of the newest 
> generation of Rivendells really is superior compared to the earlier bikes. 
> I’m most curious about LWB bikes that were made even longer in the new 
> iterations of Riv models. The Clems, most of all. Can anyone say the new 
> super long Clem rides superiority to the old Clem? 
> 
> If you read the Reddit AMA with Grant, LWB comes up frequently, and he offers 
> his thoughts about stability and comfort. I agree with Grant there - I think 
> my Clementine rode nicer than my Betty Foy. Further confirming this, I had 
> both bikes in MN this summer and I let my sister borrow one; we both always 
> wanted the Clementine. We had to take turns like we were 5 again. She now has 
> her chameleon green Clem L, and she says the same things I do - it’s a 
> different bike. Prior to her Clem, she stole her husband’s 59 Clem L in 
> grilver and really grew to like it, though it should have been too big for 
> her (she’s 5’8”). She hasn’t taken to her new Clem, but since it didn’t 
> arrive until Sept, she doesn’t have enough miles to really know her bike yet. 
> But still, it is suspicious that she feels like I do about her bike.
> 
> Can I say the Clem L with new geometry rides better than the Clementine? No. 
> I would have liked to keep the dimensions of the Clementine with the upgrades 
> to appearance of the Clem L (thinner tubing, cream accents, heart seat lug, 
> and gorgeous paint). And now that I had to spend money for my bike rack to 
> take it, and have hit it on my garage wall trying to back that long bike up, 
> I miss the shorter Clementine.
> 
> I still really like the Clems and wouldn’t hesitate to recommend them, but 
> I’m not sure the 52 is still the right size for me. I’m 5’6” and 83(?) PBH. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 10:50 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm starting to think making the 52cm Clem bigger than it used to be was a 
>> bad idea...
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Re: [RBW] Clem L set up

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Hi Leah,

My Clem is coming along.  I’m finally putting my fenders on today and taking 
off the front rack.  I’ll put a rear rack on for now.  Like you I still haven’t 
melded completely with the Clem.  I love it, but it’s such a different creature 
that it takes some time to get used to.  The length is the most obvious 
thing-at times I wish I would have gotten the 45, which is what I would get in 
an H.  I remind myself that it’s really just a matter of patience and 
tinkering.  

One of the things I like about this forum is the helpfulness of the members.  I 
think it’s the willingness to try new things and accept the sometimes odd 
setups of others.  Perhaps it’s a Riv owner characteristic.  For quite a while 
bike shops have reminded me of stereo shops in the 70s, complete with an 
attitude.  And before I get howls of protest, I realize the number I’ve visited 
is a small sample.  I am sure there are plenty of great ones out there and I 
just haven’t found them.  Anyway, it has motivated me to fumble my way through 
doing my own wrenching.  

Since you have a Clem and a Cheviot, how would you compare the two?  I’ve only 
ridden a Cheviot for a couple of blocks, but still think of getting one.

Keith

> On Jan 4, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Holy heck, Joe, it’s true about helping me out of mechanical messes. That has 
> also been a group effort here on this List. You guys are all wonderful and I 
> ought to give you half my kingdom. I’m pretty sure there was a collective 
> sigh of relief when I finally put the last piece of my Clem L in place. 
> 
> I’m back to Just Riding now, and aiming to get back the feeling like my new 
> bike is an extension of me. I haven’t taken to this bike as quickly as the 
> Clementine or the Betty; I think it’s a little long. Hoping I get to where I 
> won’t notice, soon. I had to order a new long wheelbase bar for my bike rack, 
> since the Clem is over 48 inches . It arrives soon.
> 
> Keith - how is your Clem coming along? Did you switch racks? Did you sort out 
> the issue? Or are you just living with a floppy front load?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 2:46 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>> 
>> I think you can helpfully advise on technique and equipment; cycling isn't 
>> a thing you are born doing. I do agree there's a limit to this approach, and 
>> I'm especially sensitive to it on a largely male-dominated forum where it 
>> can be too easy to slip into sexist notions of "telling the little lady how 
>> it's done." 
>> 
>> I've given Leah plenty of advice - usually because she asked - as a person 
>> who's been riding and wrenching for decades and can possibly help her skip a 
>> few mistakes I've made. But no, I can't tell her how to ride and would not 
>> even try to speak that way. 
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[RBW] Re: Clem L set up

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for all the responses.  I think I'm going to get a Mark's rack to go 
with the medium basket I got for Christmas.  This bike is just so much fun 
to ride I can't wait to get everything dialed in.  

On Sunday, December 29, 2019 at 7:55:44 AM UTC-8, Keith Swanson wrote:
>
> I finally made my first grocery ride to Trader Joe's and notice a lot of 
> flop under a load.  I'm wondering if my set up is off.  I had this rack on 
> a Kogswell and never had any issues, but the Kogswell was designed for a 
> front load. I've attached a picture for inspection. Any advice would be 
> appreciated.  
>

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[RBW] Choco moose or bull moose?

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for everyone's thoughts on the choco bar vs choco moose.  Has anyone 
used both the bull moose and choco moose?  I have bosco bars on my Clem L 
and am thinking of what to put on an Appaloosa.  I like more a more upright 
position than drop bars but would like something less so than the bosco.  

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Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I can see Leah’s perspective on the names, but I have to agree with Paul that 
it should be exactly the bike he wants.  I understand completely as for some 
reason I do not particularly care for the name Atlantis so am waiting for a Joe 
Appaloosa (I prefer the head badge as well) although I think simply Appaloosa 
would be better.  Silly reasons to prefer one over the other, but when 
committing a large amount of money, why not?  I do think the single word names 
are better-it’s hard to beat Hunqapillar or Cheviot.  For what it’s worth, I’m 
just finishing building my new Clem L.

> On Nov 16, 2019, at 6:45 PM, PaulS  wrote:
> 
> Yes, Wolbis Slugstone. 
> 
> Yes, all funky names. Just don’t want Susie on the side of the bike. What’s 
> wrong with that? Why are people getting defensive? That’s just my preference. 
> If that were the ONLY bike I was after that had inimitable features I 
> absolutely must have, then sure. I’ll buy it. But there are many other 
> choices. 
> 
> On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 2:50:39 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Paul, there's another name on the other side of Susie. Wolbis? I can't 
>> remember..
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[RBW] Choco vs choco-moose

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Can anyone speak to the practical difference riding between the choco and 
choco-moose bars?  I've read the description on the Rivendell site but am 
curious to hear from others.  I've recently switched from a drop bar Sam to 
a Clem L with a bosco bar and assume the choco would be somewhere in the 
middle (it would be for an Appaloosa).  For some reason I find the 
choco-moose bars to be more aesthetically pleasing than the plain choco 
bars.

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

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When I spoke with them before I managed to get a frame, they were getting more 
in March. That was two months ago though. 

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> On Nov 11, 2019, at 3:29 PM, REC (Roberta)  wrote:
> 
> 
> Rivendell sold out of these bikes within a month of getting them.  Does 
> anyone know if they are planning to get more completes?  More frames?  I'm 
> not talking about a reinvented version, but the same version and same colors 
> that they just need to order (I know it's not that simple) and keep in stock 
> until that batch is sold out.  It is an extremely popular model and unlike 
> any of their other offerings.
> 
> Roberta
> 
>> On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 5:30:10 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Yes, Garth! These photos were so helpful; I knew I wasn’t imagining this. I 
>> thought I noticed it in the photo the seller had on Craigslist - I remember 
>> thinking that bike looked looonnnggg. 
>> 
>> I’m telling you, this Clem is a DIFFERENT BIKE. And you know what else? My 
>> sister had been riding (ok stealing) her husband’s 59 Clem L in grilver, and 
>> though it was too big, she got used to it. When her 52 Clem L came (in 
>> bronzy green Sept 2019) I figured she’d fall in love and declare it the best 
>> bike ever. But every time I asked she’d give me a non-enthusiastic answer 
>> and say she missed her husband’s bike. I wonder if the geometry changes to 
>> her new bike are why she’s been so lukewarm.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L front derailleur

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for the offer Joe, but I managed to figure it out and ended up with a 
new XTR that the guy at the shop gave me a deal on because it had been sitting 
around for so long. 

Best,
Keith

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> On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:20 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> It's 31.8 on my recent-model 45cm L, but the first ones came with bigger 
> tubes and I believe the 59cm still does. Which means maybe this will help, 
> it's a Deore triple front I have kicking around here with a nifty removable 
> 31.8 shim..you can use it as the bigger size if you need it. I'll kick it 
> over to you for free, someone just sent me a thing that they refused shipping 
> for so I'll pay it forward. 
> 
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
> 
>> On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 9:50:55 PM UTC-8, Keith Swanson wrote:
>> I sold my Hillborne frame to switch to a Clem L and discovered that the 
>> front derailleur clamp is too small.  I have a 3x8 set up with a Deore rear 
>> derailleur.  What size clamp is needed for the front derailleur and does 
>> anyone have a suggestion of which I should get?  
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[RBW] Clem L front derailleur

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I sold my Hillborne frame to switch to a Clem L and discovered that the 
front derailleur clamp is too small.  I have a 3x8 set up with a Deore rear 
derailleur.  What size clamp is needed for the front derailleur and does 
anyone have a suggestion of which I should get?  

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[RBW] Hillborne for sale

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I managed to get one of the Clem L frames so am selling my Sam Hillborne 
frameset and have posted it to the Seattle craigslist.
seattle.craigslist.org/skc/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-sam-hillborne/6989317420.html.
 
 

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[RBW] Used Hillborne value

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I have one of the early green Sam Hillbornes which is slightly big for me 
and am planning to sell the frame to fund an Appaloosa.  I was wondering 
what a fair price would be or if it would be better to seek a trade.  It's 
a 52 in excellent condition.  Any thoughts on this?

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I asked Grant about the Charlie H Gallop yesterday and he was happy to 
answer any questions about it, saying that it would be a blend of Roadini 
and Clem, sold as a complete bike.  

On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 5:18:23 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
>
> The September email update teases a new bike: the Charlie H Gallop. 
> PREDICTIONS! GO!
>
> Mine: MIT lugged road-ish bike with Cantis. 650B even at the largest size. 
> Level top tube, but fewer size options.
>

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[RBW] New Mixte/lugs

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

When I read one of the recent posts about the sweater preorder and 
supporting Rivendell the new mixte project crossed my mind.  I wonder if 
there would be enough interest in the mixte project to fund 
developing/ordering the lugs.  Perhaps as a kind of frame deposit.  It's 
very much just a thought, but I'm curious what other people think of such 
an idea.

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[RBW] Re: Clem L sizing

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks.  On a related note, my next frame of interest is the Appaloosa, 
which I've been waiting for a long time.  Do you have the 46 and how would 
you compare it to the 52 Clem L.  I have a longer torso and am concerned 
about feeling cramped in the 46, which is what is recommended.  

On Friday, September 13, 2019 at 9:45:43 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I've owned a 45 H and 52 L, the smaller H version is noticeably stiffer 
> and a miles smaller package. In the end the ride is close enough for to say 
> if you like Clems you'll like both, but I would hold out for a 52 L if it's 
> the one you're really into. Riv is planning to offer some frames up after 
> all the recent completes are out the door.  

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[RBW] Clem L sizing

['Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm interested in people's thoughts on the difference in ride quality 
between the 45 and 52 Clem L.  I've test ridden the 52 and it was great, 
but sold out. On a Clem H I would ride a 45 (77 1/2 PBH).  Any advice would 
be helpful.

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