[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Nice to finally have an authoritative value from Grant for "n", which I 
seem to have forever struggled with back in high school Calc class.  Of 
course, since I'm single, I'll need to factor that in and carry the one, 
which leaves me with "N x 2" or a total of 18.  Bingo!, which is exactly 
what I currently have.  Hoping to move to Ecuador in two years, where they 
permit a grand total of ONE bicycle to be brought into the country tax/duty 
free with other household belongings.  Going from 18 all the way to 1 isn't 
likely to happen until after I've expelled my last breath and my ashes have 
cooled down, so I guess I shouldn't worry about it.  But I do, with the 
nightmare scenario of my Bombadil being dropped off at a local Goodwill and 
sold for $50 ever present.  I guess this is what the rest of the world 
would call "white people problems", and they most certainly are right about 
that.  But still, it is a Bombadil

Willet M.

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:43:52 PM UTC-6 maxcr wrote:

> I agree that three feels right for me, but which three is the eternal 
> question:
>
> Currently:
>
>- Proto-Gallop 61.5 - set up with Albatross as daily commuter 
>- 2TT Bombadil 60 - set up with Bullmoose and slicks to cover my 
>touring dreams
>- Hunqapillar 58 - set up with Jones bar and 2.1 Thunderburts 
>semi-knobby as my hillibike
>- Rambouillet (orange) 60 - set up with drop bars and JB 33's as my 
>road bike
>- Wilbury 60 - only one with 650bx38 and with Albatross bars - a mixte 
>to future proof any flexibility and mobility challenges in 20 years
>- Atlantis 61 - set up with a Bullbar and 2.1 Thunderburts semi-knobby 
>as a country bike abroad
>
> *Not counting the one abroad, I need to reduce two to get the magic number 
> 3. Which ones? Probably Wilbury and Gallop would be the first to go, but I 
> still want to ride them a bit more now that the weather is better before 
> making a decision.
>
> Then again, 5 or 7 or 9 also feels right no?
>
> Max
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> I've already gotten rid of a couple and still need to drop one...
>> I think 3 is the magic number
>> Currently:
>> 2009 Hillborne, canti 56cm (Original Green , recently painted Harvest 
>> Gold) - 700x43
>> 2017 Appaloosa 55cm (Silver) - 29x2.1
>> 2019 Cheviot 60cm (metallic Blue) - 700x50
>> 2004 Romulus, canti 59cm (Blue) - 700x35
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:07:47 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> My recollection of the article is that Grant arrived at 9 being the 
>>> sensible number.  One of the nine on Grant's list was a "project bike", and 
>>> there was at least one single speed.  The "project bike" slot struck me as 
>>> the GP version of "N+1" because whenever you finish the project then the 
>>> "project bike" slot is (by definition) empty, and sufficient grounds to 
>>> start a new project.  I've got a dialed in stable of 18 with two more on 
>>> order and a third likely to be ordered.  When I hit 21 I'm going to have to 
>>> do something about my storage situation.  Even with four addresses, it's 
>>> getting cozy.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:45:16 AM UTC-7 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,
 I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs 
 with justification. I think it was 7.
  Any idea which reader it was in?
 Thanks!
 Tom Palmer
 Twin Lake, MI

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Well, that's an interesting little twist!  It was my assumption after 
posting the "origin story" of my Protovelo that I probably had many of the 
details wrong and that there would be a long list of 
clarifications/modifications to the information that I had pieced together 
about it.  In particular, I assumed that there had been additional owners 
of the frame that were unknown to me, and that perhaps Daniel M. had never 
really "owned" the frame but had just borrowed it from Grant for the one 
journey, etc.  But I had never seen anything regarding the 
"proto-Hunqapillar" making the Great Divide trip.  I'm sure there are 
others on the forum with more information about this than me, but my 
initial thought is that perhaps my frame was very "interim" and included 
both Bombadil and Hunqapillar elements/geometry???  On the other hand, the 
fact that Daniel referred to it pretty precisely as a "new unpainted 
Bombadil" in the Reddit thread seems to slot it in timeline-wise as an 
early Bombadil rather than a later Hunqapillar.  As always, I will defer to 
the experts and look forward to possibly fleshing out more details as we go 
along.

Thanks, though, for pointing out the discrepancy.

Willet M.

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 12:42:39 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Willet, this is a fascinating backstory indeed. Thanks for sharing. 
>
> One piece of it is curious, and it both clarifies and clouds things: the 
> Hunqapillar copy also states that the the “proto-Hunqapillar” was ridden by 
> Daniel on the Great Divide.
>
> From Riv:
>
> And it's a trail bike.
> The tubes are stout, but reasonable in weight, and the strong lugged 
> joints should last or decades. There’s clearance for 58mm tires. If you 
> need fatter than that, get a Pugsley. 
> *Trivia: Former employee Daniel rode a proto-Hunqapillar the entire 
> 2700-miles of the Great Divide trail. No problem. The current ones are vast 
> improvements over that*.
>
> So this strongly suggests that the proto Bombadil and the proto 
> Hunqapillar were the same proto frames. Right?
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 1:51:19 PM UTC-5 WilletM wrote:
>
>>
>> Just by lucky coincidence, I had recently been considering starting a 
>> definitive "Bombadil origins" thread, which would hopefully document all 
>> the current (and maybe former) Bombadil's owned by forum members, with pics 
>> and stories about ownership history and builds and any other details that 
>> would help to flesh out our collective interest/obsession with this 
>> particular Rivendell model.  But Eric saved me the trouble by starting a 
>> thoughtful and interesting thread that covers most/all of the same 
>> information that I had hoped to aggregate in my proposed thread.
>>
>> My own personal Bombadil obsession started, as so many others apparently 
>> have, with provocative pics that I saw online depicting 
>> Protovelo/Bombadil's naked as a jaybird, with brass flowing in copious 
>> amounts out of the fancy lugs.  Back in the mid-90's, I had ordered a 
>> custom Bilenky coupled touring bike with Nervex lugs and had it finished 
>> naked, which, in combination with the lugs and couplers and other 
>> braze-on's, made for an abundantly visually interesting frameset to 
>> admire.  And then along comes the naked Protovelo, which seems to have 
>> scratched the very same itch for me that the Bilenky did.
>>
>> Not surprisingly, owning a naked (Bombadil)Protovelo zoomed to the top of 
>> my bucket list and remained there for 3-4 years while I searched for one on 
>> ebay and craigslist and elsewhere.  In reality, I had very little hope of 
>> ever finding one, let alone being able to afford one if I found it.  But 
>> then, out of the blue, popped up on ebay in October of 2019 this repainted 
>> Protovelo that had started out life naked and with a very interesting 
>> history.  Below is a pic and some description (in italics) of that 
>> frameset, shown built and complete in a for-sale posting by Erik from 
>> Oakland on this forum from April of 2018.  
>>
>> 
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>>
>> *60cm ish upsloper, fits me like a glove. 93 is my PBH. All my other riv 
>> bikes have been 62 to 66cm. Second top tube is beautifully fillet brazed. I 
>> liked the improved standover compared to my 62cm Hunqapillar. The bike has 
>> a slightly higher bottom bracket though and a slightly shorter set of 
>> chainstays than the eventual production Bombadil - I like how nimble it 
>> felt by comparison. Way shreddier than my old Toyo Hunqapillar, it carves 
>> turns - after I got this bike the hunqapillar was sold. Best bike I have 
>> ever owned, to be certain.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *It's built for resilience and singletrack adventuring. Before I rebuilt 
>> it from the repainted frame, a raw clearcoated it rolled down the 
>> continental divide with Daniel from Tumbleweed Bikes. Some scratches, but 
>> cared for in my travels with it and 

[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Purple Prose

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The CL bike does appear to be missing paint on the inside of the non-drive 
seatstay just below the middle rack braze-on, which is the same location as 
the damage and missing paint of Matthew's Appaloosa.  That would be the 
clincher for me even more than some of the parts in common, which I imagine 
is a very common occurrence on Riv's that are purchased as completes from 
RBW.

Willet M.


On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 8:50:48 PM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote:

> How do you know it’s the same bike?
> It looks distinctly un-smashed, and you don’t know the “concatenations of 
> circumstances.”
>
> What non-profit did you mail it to?
>
> Philip
> Nonplussed in Sonoma County, where even the Riv-knowledgeable bike co-op 
> won’t take a smashed bike. 
>
>
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Oh, where to begin? I owned this bike for approximately two months. 
>> Here’s what happened:
>>
>> A few months ago, I bought this Appaloosa (identical to my current whip) 
>> from the original owner and shipped the bike via BikeFlights. But when UPS 
>> delivered it, I braced myself for disappointment: the box had a tire track 
>> across one side, the top and sides were torn, and a large hole had been 
>> haphazardly patched with several strips of clear packing tape. 
>>
>> I took photos as I carefully unpacked the bike. A truck had backed over 
>> the bike: the seatstays, chainstays, rear rack, and fork were badly bent, 
>> the front wheel was crushed, and the frame was visibly deformed and out of 
>> alignment. BikeFlights reimbursed me for the shipping costs and what I paid 
>> for the bike. To fulfill the claim, BikeFlights sent me a shipping label, 
>> and directed me to repack and ship the crushed bike to a non-profit 
>> organization.
>>
>> I don’t know the concatenation of circumstances, but the bike is once 
>> again for sale—the frame and forks have been fixed and the front wheel has 
>> been replaced. To be clear, I neither question the integrity or the 
>> worksmanship of the builder who straightened the frame, nor am I accusing 
>> the seller or anyone involved of malice, deception, or anything untoward. 
>>
>> The purpose of this note is so interested purchasers can make an informed 
>> decision. If I was considering buying this bike, I’d want someone to warn 
>> me. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_3007.jpg][image: IMG_3018.jpg][image: IMG_3014.jpg]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS Quickbeam 60cm Frame fork headset and BB

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Headed to the mountains, just like your (former) Bombadil, which I now 
proudly call my own.  I hope the new owner likes the Quickbeam even half as 
much as I admire that Bombadil.  If these are the two that you got rid of, 
I can't wait to see the ones that you actually kept!

Willet M.


On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 10:51:43 AM UTC-6 jamison brosseau wrote:

> this bike is sold and moving to Colorado
>
> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 1:38:05 PM UTC-4 jamison brosseau wrote:
>
>> I have a great condition 60cm Green Quickbeam FS.  Price is $975 shipped 
>> CONUSA .  The Frame will come with sakae double crankset, bottom bracket 
>> (shimano?). headset campagnolo, nitto technomic stem, and no name post, 
>> Soma (?) swept back bars, tektro levers, and I what I believe to be the 
>> original Suzue wheelset.  Saddle not included.
>> [image: IMG_7190.jpg]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On my Proto-Bombadil.  So I guess you can be Sam, but Frodo is already 
taken.


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On Tuesday, November 2, 2021 at 8:04:39 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> One bike to rule them all.
>
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2021, at 5:33 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> I think the 650B Ultradynamicos only come in one width. 48
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 5:18:28 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>> Ultradynamico has many 650B and 700c 42mm tires in stock for anyone 
>> looking for an alternative to the usual suspects. The Cava with it's fine 
>> file tread would be just fine for the road, 
>>
>> https://ultradynamico.com/pages/shop
>> On Sunday, October 31, 2021 at 5:15:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Here you go: 
>>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/tires/700c/700cx44-snoqualmie-pass/
>>>
>>> They do have one very big defect: they can cost $96 apiece, tho' the 
>>> budget Standard casing costs $74. Still, as someone who has used 2 models 
>>> of RH ELs (tho' not the Snoqualmie Pass), I can heartily confirm that RH 
>>> tires are worth the $$.
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2021, at 6:54 AM, Tom Wyland  wrote: "... 
>>> I would have been happy finding any folding tires in 42-44 width, but it's 
>>> tough out there."
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS Freight Baggage bag

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I would definitely be interested in seeing pics of this and would probably 
buy it, depending on the color.  I tried to order a porteur bag years ago 
before they closed but never was able to complete the process of ordering a 
custom.

Willet M.
Carbondale, CO

On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 7:03:04 PM UTC-6 Keith Swanson wrote:

> Lightly used Freight Baggage waterproof roll top bag, designed to fit the 
> Pass & Stow rack.  Works great.$125 plus actual shipping.  Please message 
> for pictures.

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[RBW] Re: [Repainted] Bombadil on its Archetypal Route

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I do seem to recall, Jason, having predicted (below) very precisely one of 
these pics back in late December when you let it slip that the Bombadil was 
out at the paint shop getting freshened up a bit.  I won't let it go to my 
head, though, as the likelihood of you posting lovely pics of a lovely 
bicycle in a lovely place is not all that unlikely, come to think of it.  
And for my next trick, I predict that we will be seeing more "lovely x 3" 
Bombadil pics in the near future as warm weather and sunshine sweep across 
the PNW.

Willet M.
-

wille...@gmail.com<>
Dec 29, 2021, 10:30:34 AM

Sounds as though the Bombadil might be doing a stint in rehab???  Looking 
forward to seeing the eventual unveiling, which we know will be beautifully 
photographed (and probably involve a wooden rails-to-trails bridge in the 
backcountry and/or giant trees dripping with moss).
-

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 9:47:33 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Did 50km of muddy, snowy double track and trails today and while I'm 
> absolutely smashed, the Bombadil is still shiny I don't understand. 
> Dirt won't stick to it. Goes to show what two coats of wet-sanded clearcoat 
> will do! 
>
> [image: PXL_20220313_195356855.jpg]
>
> On Saturday, 26 February 2022 at 17:33:57 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I got a bit further today, thanks to the lack of snow.  
>>
>> I stole the Albatross for the Charlie Gallop, because I knew the Wavie 
>> was always destined for this bike in the end. It feels very right with this 
>> setup - great control on the trail but also comfortable for the road. A 
>> fillet faceplate stem will eventually go on when I am able to procure one, 
>> and that's the final piece of the puzzle! Shifting is still fickle for some 
>> reason, and I'm hoping I just solved it by filing down the excess clearcoat 
>> on the derailleur hanger.  We'll see! 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20220226_204333039.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 11:04:18 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the kind words all! 
>>>
>>> Brendon - my original plan was to use Jay's / Hunq green, but given 
>>> there is no paint code available for it I gave some reference to the 
>>> painter and he presented me with a pretty good range of color swatches from 
>>> teal-ish greens to olive greens, all metallic as that was a criteria. So 
>>> this green was chosen from a small sample and I honestly wasn't sure what 
>>> it would look like on the frame!  I'm happy with it for sure though. 
>>>
>>> Takashi - yep! After stripping the clear coat (which is clear powdercoat 
>>> turns out! Much more robust than I expected, which ironically means if I 
>>> knew that I'd probably have left it raw...).  He brazed the little adapter 
>>> on and drilled a small hole near the front of the lower TT.  So far, I 
>>> haven't been able to get it to work which is alarming and upsetting.  I 
>>> might enlist professionals soon! 
>>>
>>> Bill - I knew I enjoy the shape from my Twenty, and the reach is a bit 
>>> longer on the Bombadil but so far seems good!  I have the Billie and 
>>> Albastache too and so far, the Albatross is my preference. I'd love to try 
>>> the Choco's too but would need a longer stem 
>>>
>>> Willet - wow, that means a lot! Thanks so much! 
>>>
>>> John - Yeah to be honest, this build was with full understanding that I 
>>> might go back to either the MAP bar or the Wavie bar, but I wanted to give 
>>> these a proper try because I like the ergonomics of the bar end shifters vs 
>>> on a thumbshifter pod. Mind you it's kind of annoying how common it is to 
>>> bump the end of the bar and shift the gears by accident!  It was certainly 
>>> a bit tricky to get the Moto's and the rack to play together and to be 
>>> honest I still need to do some tweaking - the brake rubs the underside of 
>>> the Y mount.  The rear Motolite is rubbing the fender, too.  
>>>
>>> Eric - Happy to hear! Once I have it all dialed in I'll take some detail 
>>> photos for sure - right now, it would just highlight all the small issues 
>>> with the build haha.  Leah mentioned I should email it to Grant so maybe 
>>> I'll send them both a note with a few photos! 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 10:05:04 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Another great ride report, Jason! Thanks for sharing your writing with 
 us. The 

 The bike looks fantastic. I was an advocate for maintaining the clear 
 coat but this looks incredible. Beautiful, subtle. Really well done. 

 For selfish reasons I'd love to see a detailed gallery with close-up 
 shots of breaks, pedals, hubs. How are those Bubbly pedals? They sure look 
 nice but how does the platform and grip compare to the Grip King 
 Monarch/Gamma?

 Looks like great riding abounds in your neck of 

Re: [RBW] Re: Share some pictures: Raw steel bikes

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In the realm of adult cinema, I believe they would call that the money shot 
(though I will, of course, defer to those who have actually seen such a 
thing).

Willet M.

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 1:35:55 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, Willet! 
>
> David: Phew, that's the stuff! Thanks for the closeup of the headtube 
> (insert  emojis) 
>
> On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 11:59:11 AM UTC-5 spru...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Here are two pictures of my first-generation Bombadil in raw steel with a 
>> Suntour XC Pro drivetrain.  
>> David Sprunger
>> North Newton, KS
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 7:55 PM 'WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Below is my Bilenky travel bike from the mid-90's.  It has Nervex lugs 
>>> and some very pretty flowing brass.  It only has about 20 miles on it so 
>>> far, so I can't speak to the durability of the finish (though Steve did 
>>> warn me that it was rather suspect).  I don't recall precisely if it was 
>>> paint or powder, but I do seem to remember him saying something about the 
>>> primer-type substance making the tubes a little darker, so I'm guessing it 
>>> was paint.
>>>
>>> Willet M.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1855.JPG]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1854.JPG]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 5:41:36 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Steven, that laser cutting trick is another level. 
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 6:33:50 PM UTC-5 S. Greco wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> satin clear powder coat on this serrota club special.
>>>>> the logos were sandblasted into the steel with a vinyl-cut mask prior 
>>>>> to the clear coat.
>>>>> [image: DSCF3630.jpg][image: DSCF3620.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 6:30:02 PM UTC-5 S. Greco wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> matte clear powder coat on this simpleone
>>>>>> [image: DSCF8190.jpg]
>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 5:26:52 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks to you all for sharing. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eric: Do you have any color pics that show the corrosion, surface 
>>>>>>> rust and patina? 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Patch: Your experience sounds helpful! I'd love to see some pictures 
>>>>>>> when you have a chance. Did you ever find a way to maintain some 
>>>>>>> corrosion 
>>>>>>> and patina? Like letting it weather a bit before adding the clear coat? 
>>>>>>> Understood regarding the powdery surface rust being an issue. I've 
>>>>>>> encountered this plenty when looking through old rusted tools. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's hoping Jason Fuller has some info to share about his 
>>>>>>> Bombadil, formerly clear powder-coated, now beautifully painted. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:02:44 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll have to dig out photos later, but I've done this a couple 
>>>>>>>> times - with and without clearcoat. I prefer the results without 
>>>>>>>> clearcoat. 
>>>>>>>> But if you don't wipe down your bike frequently, the rust that 
>>>>>>>> collects 
>>>>>>>> rubs off on your clothes easily. Something to be aware of.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Patch, whose commuter was a stripped, raw early 80s Trek 950 with 
>>>>>>>> RTPs (rust=theft prevention!) until carrying it up the flight of 
>>>>>>>> stairs 
>>>>>>>> home daily got all his clothes dirty, in NYC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 2:23:27 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> While not a Riv, I had a 2017 Kona Roadhouse with some brass 
>>>>>>>>> simworks fenders that looked sweet. Clear coat over raw showcasing 
>>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>>> fillet over tig welds.
>

Re: [RBW] Cold Weather Riding Gear

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Another enthusiastic vote for Showers Pass Elite and Refuge (and other 
models) jackets as outer layers in cold/dry conditions.  Winter riding in 
western Colorado at 6000' of altitude is exceptionally comfortable, whether 
it's snowing (which is basically dry conditions) or actually dry outside.  
I do find that the pit zips alone are not sufficient for ventilation 
(staying in that target zone of cool and dry) in the temperature range of 
20-35 F. where I most prefer to ride.  So I usually am working the front 
zipper of my shell (and also a half-zip 100 weight fleece underneath) up 
and down as needed to keep my upper torso cool (and therefore dry) rather 
than warm.

As I believe others have mentioned, ventilating the sleeves (and keeping 
your arms/layers dry) is typically more difficult due to limited options 
for directing airflow (compared to the torso).  I mostly address this by 
keeping my torso/layers extra cool/dry when I feel my sleeves starting to 
get clammy.  

It certainly is true, at least in my experience over quite a few years, 
that it is MUCH more challenging to stay cool during cold weather riding 
conditions than it is to stay warm.  Warm is usually just a zipped-up 
zipper or amped-up heartrate away, whereas cooling off and drying out takes 
time and patience and practice to get the correct "recipe" to match the air 
temp outside.  But in the end, the (often rather expensive, admittedly) 
accumulation of clothing and gear, and the numerous test runs and 
trial/error periods of getting to the point of dressing properly for the 
NOW temperature/conditions and taking a few extra pieces to address the 
LATER temp/conditions is really, really rewarding.  A sunny day at 25 
degrees and a smooth asphalt shoulder along the highway is, for me, about 
as good as it gets for mid-winter bicycling.

Willet M.
Carbondale, CO

On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 4:33:19 PM UTC-7 JAS wrote:

> I like my Showers Pass Elite jacket for cold weather and rain.  Yes, it 
> can be vented under the arms and has a cape-like back vent for air flow.  
> If I don't open the arm vents, it can build up a little moisture, but 
> nothing that makes me cold.  If it's super cold, I use a very heavy wool 
> Patagonia crew neck base layer I got years ago to wear under my dry suit 
> for kayaking, but it would probably be overkill for folks who run hot.  
>
> I use the fanny pack trick when it's really cold and windy.  I don't have 
> a "pants-gap" issue; instead, I just like all the help I can get to keep 
> the cold out.  Good point about tucking a couple of the top layers into 
> your pants and having a waist-band high enough to do so.  
>
> One more tip:  A stretchy Gor-Tex helmet cover keeps the rain out and 
> blocks the helmet vent holes.  Combined with a thin wool beanie, my head 
> and ears stay warm.  It looks a bit like mushroom-head, but that's the 
> price I pay for warmth!   
>
>
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 11:17:53 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Joyce and others: a question and some remarks.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 11:49 AM JAS  wrote:
>>
>>> *Showers Pass jacket with pit zips for core ventilation.  
>>
>>
>> 1. I always assumed that SP jackets were meant for rain. Question: Do 
>> they serve well (because of pit zips) as an outer layer and insulator for 
>> dry-weather cold-temperature (32 south to teens) over wool layers? 
>>
>> *Outdoor Research winter gloves with long gauntlet
>>>
>>
>> ODR or other, certainly yes to long gauntlets. I very often will wear 
>> repurposed street gloves (like the Bundeswehr pair) that are very nice but 
>> leave a 1/2" gap between end of cuff and beginning of glove; not nice at 
>> 25*!
>>  
>>
>>> wearing a fanny pack or waist pack will also help keep the cold from 
>>> coming up the bottom of your jacket
>>>
>>
>> Rant begins! *Cycling bottoms, tights or pants, should have waists high 
>> enough in the back that even when in the hooks of a drop bar the waistband 
>> does not separate from your top layer!!!* I can't say how many, 
>> often expensive winter riding pants I've bought only to find that they are 
>> stupidly, stupidly cut like last year's hipster jeans. I've had expensive 
>> pants -- Enduras, Osloh jeans so beloved of BSNYC -- retailored in the 
>> waist to fit more snugly and reduce this gapping tendency. And I'm not 
>> talking of gapping due to an oversized belly and slipping waist, either. 
>> Rant ends.
>>
>> But the most comfortable riding bottoms of all, ever, besides 
>> cycling-specific tights (which seem all to be cut high in back) are 
>> converted mens' dress pants from long before today's modern, low-cut and 
>> tight re-makes of 1960s pants. These come up high enough to well overlap or 
>> underlap your jersey, and to hold a tucked-in layer securely tucked in when 
>> you are bent over the hooks. (Speaking of 1960s: 1960s dress pants are old 
>> even for me, but I recall owning in the mid 1980s a very nice pair of dress 

Re: [RBW] Swift Industries moving stock production to Asia

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On the bright side, during my brief visit there a dozen years ago, Surabaya 
did not strike me as a "sweatshop-y" sort of Asian city in the manner of 
what I imagine areas of Bangladesh (and other clothing-production hubs) 
might be like.  So it may be the case that Swift is "responsibly" 
outsourcing some production to the extent that such a thing is even 
possible.

I will, of course, defer to those with more recent and/or extensive 
experience than mine.  But I did want to point out that not all outsourcing 
to Asian manufacturing areas can be lumped together as an attempt to 
squeeze costs and maximize profits without regard to social responsibility.

Willet M.

On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 8:51:13 AM UTC-7 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> It is interesting. I wish them all the luck in the world -- having worked 
> for a now-defunct small U.S. production outdoor clothing company in the 
> 1990s I know these decisions can be tough. I fully understand the desire to 
> increase margins, but their statement "From stronger wages and benefits, to 
> exciting new career horizons, our move to overseas production intends to 
> elevate everyone’s work experiences through Swift" ignores the major 
> elephant in the room. Sure, "stronger wages"  for their designers and 
> shippers in the U.S., perhaps, but less (and possibly ultimately no) work 
> for their U.S. sewers, and the reality that their Indonesian contract 
> sewers will be making FAR less than the U.S. sewers that they are 
> replacing...
>
> The market is competitive -- and there are a number of U.S. bag makers at 
> their price point. It will be interesting to see what happens, especially 
> if they maintain their price points. 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 7:38:53 AM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I know. And believe me I get the Irony of my expressing disappointment 
>> over this as I enjoy my not made in the USA new Riv bike. It’s difficult 
>> because I do really enjoy the buying experience of these MUSA products & 
>> will continue to seek them out. I also appreciate the “transparency” aspect 
>> of the Swift announcement.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2022, at 7:06 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I understand running a boutique bag business must be tough but kinda 
>> bummed to learn that "Beginning in March of 2022, a portion of our stock 
>> collection will be made in Indonesia, built from materials produced 
>> throughout Asia." 
>>
>> I dig the freaky small makers working in the USA: Paul, Phil, Sackville, 
>> White Industries, etc. 
>>
>> More here: 
>>
>> https://builtbyswift.com/exciting-swift-news-change-is-coming-in-march-2022/
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[RBW] Re: [Repainted] Bombadil on its Archetypal Route

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

For my money (quite literally, and too much of it!), Bombadil's build up to 
be among the most beautiful bicycles ever created.  The proportions and 
functionality of Jason's Bombadil, along with the multitude of perfect 
choices he made along the way during the build, put this particular bike at 
or near the top of the heap in terms of iconic bicycle beauty.  

If I were to ever to produce a glossy coffee table book of Rivendell frames 
and complete bikes, the first image in Jason's posting would my choice for 
the front cover.  It is a perfect bike in a perfect setting, perfectly 
photographed.  Gonna be hard to beat, that's for sure!

Willet M.

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 9:07:04 AM UTC-7 Bill Fulford wrote:

> Awesome bike. The Bombadil is one of my favorites. How how you like the 
> albatross bars?
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:59:17 AM UTC-5 Takashi wrote:
>
>> Congrats on your "new" Bombadil! The frame color looks very cool, 
>> especially on the terrain you're riding.
>> You wrote about Rene Herse taillight in another post; did you have a 
>> frame builder drill a hole on your frame?
>>
>> Takashi
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Good weekend on the Hillborne

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Even so, I'm guessing the odds of it becoming a garage queen are about as 
remote as some of the Vancouver backcountry huts that we'll be seeing it 
leaned up against in future pics.  Hope you remembered to get touch-up 
paint!

Willet M.

On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 1:14:24 PM UTC-7 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow Jason, that looks smoking! 
>
> Great take on PG/SG, can't wait to see it built up again.
>
> On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 11:26:55 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Funny you should mention that Willet... I just got home from picking the 
>> Bombadil up after a couple months away getting reborn... 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 29 December 2021 at 09:30:34 UTC-8 wille...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Sounds as though the Bombadil might be doing a stint in rehab???  
>>> Looking forward to seeing the eventual unveiling, which we know will be 
>>> beautifully photographed (and probably involve a wooden rails-to-trails 
>>> bridge in the backcountry and/or giant trees dripping with moss).
>>>
>>> Willet M.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 12:32:19 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 I know I've been lacking on adventure content on the Bombadil the past 
 couple months. This is actually because the Bombadil is not available to 
 ride right now... more on that in the new year but it's a good thing.  

 But this past weekend I had a lot of good experiences with the 
 Hillborne - there was a low-key organized gravel ride "CXmas" happening on 
 the Sunday, but the weather looked terrible, so I chose to get out for a 
 long-ish, road-ish ride on Saturday. 75km total with about 15km of gravel 
 paths. 

 [image: PXL_20211211_211628193.jpg]
 [image: PXL_20211211_214339886.jpg]

 But then I decided to get up early and go on the gravel ride anyway 
 despite being a bit stiff and sore from the previous day. In my mind, I 
 was 
 going to ride to the meet point (coffee shop about 10km from home) and 
 play 
 it by ear. 

 The ride started with a series of rooty, steep trails that connected 
 through the neighborhood to the start of the forest. The route then 
 followed a network of trails up the Seymour valley, which is the same 
 valley featured in nearly all my Bombadil photos. The Hillborne was on 
 extralight Babyshoe slicks, which are certainly a bit under-gunned for 
 these trails but keeping mindful of that, no issues. 

 [image: PXL_20211212_181408181.jpg]

 The rain started at the start of the ride, and became heavier as the 
 ride went on. At the ~20km mark, the rain turned to snow. It snowed hard, 
 and the snow was wet. It was a particularly slippery snow, but the gravel 
 underneath provided enough traction most of the time - definitely had to 
 be 
 careful though; spinning out when trying to pedal up hills reminded me 
 there wasn't a lot of traction available. 

 [image: PXL_20211212_200359035.jpg]

 By the time we reached the lake at the end of the valley, there was 
 about 3" of snow on the ground and traction was so bad that even on flat 
 ground, my pedaling did not result in forward motion at all. My fenders 
 packed with the wet snow to the point that my wheels wouldn't spin when I 
 pushed the bike, they just dragged. I was 30 km from home at this point 
 and 
 10km of it would be in these conditions. Wooops. 

 [image: PXL_20211212_201142090.jpg]

 But thankfully, even though I was the only member of the group with 
 slicks (and with tight fitting fenders), the group agreed that the paved 
 path was too slippery to ride and we took the gravel service road (not 
 open 
 to the public, but given the safety risks of the parkway, we felt we had a 
 good argument if we got stopped); and I broke all the snow out of the 
 fender with a stick (which I had to use once more before we got far enough 
 out that conditions improved). 

 [image: PXL_20211212_201627208.jpg]

 A good adventure with the "road bike" for sure!  I sure as heck love 
 the Hillborne. I've had it 25 months now, and am nearing 6000 km on it 
 which is the most mileage I've had on any bike - and I am as sure as ever 
 that I would never sell this bike! There has never been a bike I could say 
 that with such conviction before. 




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[RBW] Re: Rad article on NYC delivery workers

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for sharing the link!  I've been absolutely mesmerized watching the 
bike messenger gathering spots on Market St during visits to SF over the 
last twenty years.  Between the bikes and the bags and the tattoos and the 
clothing, there is a very humbling lesson for me that THEY are the real 
deal and that I am the poser/gaper who tries to furtively steal a glance as 
I walk past.

On the bright side, the whole messenger/courier subculture did motivate me 
to begin collecting messenger bags and packs 15 or 20 years ago, and I do 
combine that love for messenger gear with my all-things-bicycle infatuation 
and it makes for a great way to chill and enjoy after a hard day of work in 
the real world.

Willet M.

On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 12:57:53 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> A long piece on the insanely hard-working bicycle delivery people in NYC. 
> Terrible wages, robberies, stabbings, lack of worker protections. They all 
> ride electric Arrow bikes but you don't have to tell your friction 
> shifters. Great read and excellent photos by Philip Montgomery. 
>
> https://www.curbed.com/article/nyc-delivery-workers.html
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: a worthy Bombadil is back on the road at long last...

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The posting for the threadless version of the contemporary Nitto bullmoose 
bar/stem that's on the RBW website specifies that the finish on the 
fillet-brazed version is a dull bright nickel-plated finish over the CrMo 
steel.  This is the version that I have on the Bombadil pictured above.  
The fillet brazing on bicycle frames or bar/stems or racks, etc, results in 
a smooth finish that makes one tube seemingly flow into the other.  If the 
resulting creation is left unfinished/un-plated, the brass "bead" is 
typically visible encasing the fitted joint between the two tubes.  But on 
this plated bar/stem, the fillet-brazed joint is covered up by the plating 
and the brass is not visible.  Were it a tig-welded joint, the bead would 
usually be basically the same color as the adjoining tubes and it would 
also have some degree of texture from the welding process that sort of 
resembles a stack of dimes or a segmented worm (for lack of a better 
analogy).  How much texture (and how neat and how uniform) there is depends 
a great deal on the skill of the welder and whether there was any finishing 
work after the welding to dress up the joint.

I'm certainly no expert on such things but I do have several fillet-brazed 
bicycles currently.  If anyone has more precise info than I mentioned 
above, please feel free to chime in with corrections.

Willet M.
Carbondale, CO

On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 5:48:36 PM UTC-6 Matthew P wrote:

> Hi Dorothy,
> I think mine is the fillet version because of the big broad weld. I think 
> TIG welds have far less material in the joints, but I could be wrong.
> Here on the fillet version product page:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-bullmoose-bar-dull-bright-fillet-brazed-150mm-16194
> it looks like there are two versions of the fillet...version: one showing 
> the fillet brazing and another that must have a layer on top of it.
> Or, something else, which is likely, because, again, I don't know this 
> stuff well. Did they chrome(ish) dip some of them?
> Perhaps material for another post/thread...or maybe there already was one.
> Sorry for the thread drift.
> -Matthew
> San Diego
>
> On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 3:47:52 PM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> Matthew, Riv have done two versions of their Bullmoose bar - a TIG welded 
>> (which I have) and the fillet brazed which definitely shows the beautiful 
>> brass tone round the joints. Is it possible you have the TIG version?
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7 Matthew P wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome bike. I like salmon-y paint. I'm in the "I like Bombadils and 
>>> Hunqs and any other Riv that fits 2" wide tires but I've only ridden an 
>>> Atlantis" club.
>>> I'm almost done with my Toyo Atlantis. One of my most desired bikes. 
>>> Lucky to score it from Karl on this list.
>>> Thank you for the details on the fender work. Impressive, and a 
>>> reference. I fear tackling such a job, as it seems like one shot and I 
>>> doubt I'd hit the nail on the head.
>>> I have a Riv bullmoose bar. It doesn't show the fillet brazing. I wish 
>>> it did. But its under there. I assume there is no logical way to remove a 
>>> layer or something to let it show.
>>> Thanks for sharing.
>>> -Matthew
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 7:19:50 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> 51cm gray/kidney bean Hunq for me, which makes *no *sense because my 
>>>> custom has a brighter version of that paintjob and does every single thing 
>>>> a Hunqapillar would do. I want one anyway! 藍
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 6:10:15 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Willet - oh wow, glad I could be of help! Other than misleading you 
>>>>> into thinking the 65's would fit, now you're a cautionary tale for me if 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> ever need to replace my fenders haha.. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris - Ha, I feel that way about the 53cm 650B Hunq.. I guess the 
>>>>> grass is always greener!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 5:03 PM 'WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those fenders actually made it into the final build based on a 
>>>>>> suggestion that you (Jason) gave me many months ago as I was 
>>>>>> contemplating 
>>>>>> which direction to go with the frameset.  I eventually decided to go 
>>>>>> "a

[RBW] Re: a worthy Bombadil is back on the road at long last...

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Those fenders actually made it into the final build based on a suggestion 
that you (Jason) gave me many months ago as I was contemplating which 
direction to go with the frameset.  I eventually decided to go "all silver" 
or as close to it as I could possibly get, and the Flat 65's from Simworks 
were a good match for the 29x2.1 tires that I was planning on using.  They 
ended up being perfect for the tires, and they didn't take up much room 
vertically either.  But both front and back fenders were too wide for the 
fork blades and seat stays, so I did have to notch them pretty 
significantly and then try to keep the notches aligned as I mounted 
hardware to the fenders and then the fenders to the frame.  Somewhat 
shockingly, the notches fit so closely and line up so perfectly that it's 
hard to tell they've been modified without shining a flashlight on it.  

At $167 shipped for the fenders, I was HIGHLY motivated to get it right the 
first time!

Thanks again for your helpful suggestions over the winter.  I still have 
the Proto-Bombadil built up and it fits my short-legs-long-torso dimensions 
better than this one does (mostly due to a different bar/stem choice).  So 
this one is for Show and the Protovelo is for Go.  I couldn't be happier or 
more proud of both, as they were bucket list items for a number of years 
before I somehow lucked into getting both of them as framesets within less 
than a year of each other.

Willet M.

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 11:42:31 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Wow, that thing is gorgeous.  Nice build!!  I love the unique color. Looks 
> salmon to me. Still undecided whether I'll invest in a paintjob for mine!  
> And yeah I wouldn't have even considered the threadless bullmoose despite 
> being well aware of the existence of said adapter, and it looks as clean as 
> a quill version would have.  
>
> On Sunday, 27 June 2021 at 20:05:37 UTC-7 WilletM wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm happy to report that the 
>> non-creamsicle-but-still-pretty-dang-orange-y Bombadil frame that I bought 
>> here last September from Jamison B. is all built up and ready to do a 
>> little Bombadilling (thanks for that, Jason!) in the Rocky Mountains of 
>> western Colorado.  Though it's destined to be more of a show pony than a 
>> workhorse like Jason's rig, I did do a fairly premium build on this one 
>> that I'm sure would hold up for rigorous off-roading or even moderate 
>> bikepacking if only my legs were a little longer.  
>>
>> Particularly noteworthy on this build are the lovely fillet-and-nickel 
>> Nitto bullmoose bars, which turned out a lot better than I was expecting 
>> given that I used a quill-to-threadless adapter to mate the 1" threaded 
>> steerer to the 1 1/8" threadless bar/stem combo.  I also ended up pretty 
>> thrilled with the wheelset, which Peter White built up with custom Velocity 
>> Cliffhangers (silver anodized with machined sidewalls) laced up to a 
>> polished Phil Wood cassette hub in back and a special "Peter White Cycles" 
>> edition SONdelux Wide Body dynamo hub up front.  Other parts include Sugino 
>> cranks and seatpost, Brooks Alpe D'Huez saddle, Schmidt Edelux2 headlight, 
>> SimWorks/Honjo fenders, Paul Neo-Retro's and Love Levers, etc, etc.  It was 
>> NOT, very frankly, an inexpensive build.
>>
>> On the bright side, it did provide hours and hours and hours of diversion 
>> during the Covid shutdowns and bike parts shortages.  And I got lots of 
>> practice using various dremel attachments and hand files and many other 
>> specialized bike tools in order to fit the fenders under the rack and over 
>> the canti brakes and 29x2.1 knobby tires.  In the end, having just mostly 
>> finished it up this weekend except for a few REALLY anal tweaks, it did 
>> turn out better than I had ever hoped for and it is the sort of a bike that 
>> looks even better up close than it does far away.
>>
>> Willet M.
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: thumbnail (11).jpg]
>>
>> [image: thumbnail (10).jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Personal Experiences Request.

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I just ordered a custom pair of silver anodized MSW Cliffhangers through 
Peter White Cycles, though they won't arrive until late March or early 
April.  I also had checked in with Velocity by email a few weeks back and 
was told that their standard silver anodized rims (unlike my machined 
sidewall custom order) would be back in stock in mid February.  I believe 
they also make the Cliffhanger in a polished finish, but I'm not sure if 
those are in stock anywhere.

Good luck with your "shiny" build.  My Cliffhangers will be part of a VERY 
shiny build on a Bombadil I'm working on.

Willet M.

On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 6:32:18 PM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> So as not to offend any long-term members on this list I did first do a 
> search and did not find an answer to my question? I believe back in 2018 
> William Henderson in PDX after an accident had a wheel set built with the 
> same hubs I'm considering, if he could chime in that would be excellent.
>
> On with the question,
>
> Does anybody have experience with the Velo Orange Grand Cru 135mm QR 
> Shimano hub? Specifically, has it held up over time? How does it feel? Does 
> it spin freely? How does it sound? Meaning is it silent or does it have a 
> loud ratcheting noise? What were your initial impressions of the build 
> quality and then later impressions.
>
> It's my aesthetic, I just see my new to me Atlantis built with silver 
> shiny hubs otherwise I'd build my new wheels with a DT Swiss 350 rear hub 
> and be done. I'm considering a White Industries hub but that's close to 
> $200 more over the VO hub. Just debating whether the extra $$ is worth it? 
>
> I'm going with the Velocity Cliffhangers, wish they came in silver :( 
> Planning on running schwabe g ones in 2.25" evolutions for cush and speed. 
> If you have a recommendation on rims that will allow for tubeless, decent 
> tire profile in silver please lmk. FYI not going with the HED Belgian rims 
> at $165 nope! 
>
> I'm also looking for the Riv stem shifters currently out of stock on the 
> Riv Hq site. If anyone has a pair that they're willing to part with let me 
> know? 
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Hugh in Sunny SoCal Los Angeles to be exact. 
>
> Since I'm honorable and might as well ask another question. I plan on 
> running aluminum albatross bars any recommendations for grips. My 
> preference is a easily removed grip like the Ergon which I have. Is there 
> an esi like grip that's removes simply?
>

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[RBW] WTB: non-disc Phil rear cassette hub 135mm for Bombadil

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm looking for, as the title says, a Phil Wood non-disc 8/9/10 FSA QR 
cassette rear hub new or in excellent condition.  I need 135mm spacing, 36 
spoke, and polished silver in order to match up fairly well with a polished 
Schmidt Son dynamo hub up front.

Different brands/colors, etc, won't work for me, unfortunately.


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[RBW] Re: 60cm Bombadil Frame FS

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Do you have any additional pics you could post or send (especially closeups 
that show paint dings)?  What are your height/inseam measurements and how 
would you characterize the fit for you?  I assume this is 700c?  Any guess 
on total mileage?  I assume no rust issues?

Willet M.

On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 11:32:48 AM UTC-6 jamison brosseau wrote:

>  I have a 60 cm Bombadil Frame for sale, headset and bottom bracket will 
> be included.  No dents or dings.  Bike was ridden does have chips rubs and 
> touch ups, but plenty of life left in the paint coating.  This is a painted 
> frame , not power coated as many of the early Bombadil frames were.  $1200 
> shipped in the CONUSA.  I am the original owner, the paint is an Imron 
> color called persimmon.
>
> [image: IMG_5055.jpg][image: IMG_5056.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Having just finished my first Rivendell project earlier this summer (a 
Protovelo/Bombadil), and after completing it ONLY after 4-5 months of 
(happily) sweating every nut and bolt and fitting every part to the frame 
one after another to see how the fit and function was affected by the mixed 
group and funky geometry-- after ALL THAT, I would heartily recommend that 
you do precisely the same (even if to a lesser degree) and thoroughly make 
it your own from bumper to bumper.

I've spec'd out and built a ton of bikes over the last 25 years (thank you, 
ebay!), and none has been more rewarding than the Protovelo.  It was a lot 
like sorting thru a jumble of dinosaur bones from an archaeological dig, 
then piecing them together and never knowing if it was 20 bones from one 
animal or one bone from 20 different animals.  But oh my, when that last 
jawbone clicks into place (which for me was cobbling together the right 
combination of hardware to attach the front porteur rack to the fork 
crown), it truly makes the end result uniquely and forever yours.

Enjoy your journey!

Willet
Carbondale, CO

On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 6:50:51 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> As I wait for my first Rivendell (sort of) patiently, I can't help but 
> prowl their website and this group and stare at components and accessories 
> that I think I'd like to try. But...the only bike I've ever monkeyed with 
> is my current one that came with a fantastic Shimano RD...and that's about 
> it as far as solid components go. So I'm always playing with the idea of 
> getting a different crank, different brakes, different this or that. 
>
> My question (finally) is this - of those of you who have done an a la 
> carte build through Rivendell, who just leaves everything they picked out 
> and who is constantly trying different components? 
>
> I didn't spring for any Paul components or a set of Rich's wheels, but 
> everything that's coming on this bike is nicer than I need it to be...so 
> the plan is to never change anything except bar tape. But...there is a lot 
> of buying and selling of components here and elswhere.
>
> So yeah...do you tinker with a Riv build, or do you let it be? 
>
> -Ben
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bombadil Protovelo

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, Jim, for the info and the terrific pics.  You must have a lot more 
weather and/or salty air where you live than I do (or maybe you just 
actually get out and ride more?).  Here in the Aspen area of Colorado, I 
have a Surly Krampus that's been stripped of paint (and frame saver-ed but 
no clear coat) and it has a nice patina on it but no rust.  I don't ride it 
all that much in slop, but it is my late-fall-early-spring ice and slush 
bike, so it doesn't see all that many dry and sunny afternoons either.  I 
will keep your pic in mind, though, if I do decide to explore a raw finish 
down the line.

Willet M.


On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 3:43:13 PM UTC-6, Jim M. wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 9:02:30 AM UTC-7, WilletM wrote:
>>
>> Since I've always coveted the raw clearcoat editions of the Protovelo 
>>
>
> Here's my proto, with current paint and with original clear coat. Clear 
> coat is definitely cool but doesn't last like paint, and doesn't protect 
> like paint. Rust was developing under the clear coat when I finally painted 
> it. Not to say you shouldn't do it, but prepare for repeated clear coatings 
> over the life of the bike.
>
> Happy trails!
> jim m
> walnut creek
>   
>
> [image: IMG_20200320_163050204_HDR.jpg][image: 
> 30409919582_8685d15110_k.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bombadil Protovelo

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It was an even better deal for me because I ended up the winning bidder on 
ebay for frame/fork/hs/seatpost, which is what allowed me to build it up 
with the decidedly un-Rivendellian build kit.  Altogether, with the auction 
price and the various new and used parts that I selected for the project, 
it's probably in the $2000-2500 range out of pocket as it sits.  It is 
definitely one of my Grail bikes, and you are very unlikely to see it for 
sale again until sometime down the road after a respectful period of 
mourning following my funeral.

Willet M.


On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 3:18:01 PM UTC-6, greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
> Wow, if that was my size, don't think I'd hesitant on it, that's a 
> freaking steal at 2k.
>
> On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 at 11:30:33 PM UTC-4, bicyc...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm selling a piece of Rivendell history as I refine my footprint into a 
>> sailboat. Only one bike can stay, and this one cannot be easily S'd or it 
>> would.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Nobilette Made.
>>
>> 60cm ish upsloper, fits me like a glove. 93 is my PBH. All my other riv 
>> bikes have been 62 to 66cm. Second top tube is beautifully fillet brazed. I 
>> liked the improved standover compared to my 62cm Hunqapillar. The bike has 
>> a slightly higher bottom bracket though and a slightly shorter set of 
>> chainstays than the eventual production Bombadil - I like how nimble it 
>> felt by comparison. Way shreddier than my old Toyo Hunqapillar, it carves 
>> turns - after I got this bike the hunqapillar was sold. Best bike I have 
>> ever owned, to be certain.
>>
>> It's built for resilience and singletrack adventuring. Before I rebuilt 
>> it from the repainted frame, a raw clearcoated it rolled down the 
>> continental divide with Daniel from Tumbleweed Bikes. Some scratches, but 
>> cared for in my travels with it and riding like new. I can equip it with 
>> Albatross or Raw Bullmoose bars. Right now it has albatross bars. Paul 
>> Cantis, Paul Levers, Paul Thumbies. 3 Bottle Cages. Hands on wheels, 
>> shimano hubs, heavy rims (I think cliffhangers) front and rear. Will 
>> include a set of knobbies. Also happy to include a porteur rack up front if 
>> you want it.
>>
>> This bike has ridden me through many a mile of twisting californian 
>> backcountry, and has thousands of miles to go.
>>
>> In the words of my friend Adam, "If one top tube breaks, just keep 
>> riding!"
>>
>> It will be missed.
>>
>> How does 2000 sound? It's stacked with the best equipment. I hear people 
>> on land around here pay twice that for rent every month. Ride away and get 
>> lost for the next decade. I will owner finance it to the right dirtbag, I 
>> just need to remotely know you through a friend.
>>
>> For now, local pickup preferred. Will consider shipping, so perhaps write 
>> me direct to get in line. I'd prefer to sell to someone on the list, who 
>> understands how special this bike is and wants to continue it rolling into 
>> the sunset. More photos and details upon request. After a week or so it'll 
>> go to craigslist where I imagine she'll disappear quickly.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> And, finally, I miss this community. Cosmic country is on the verge of 
>> rebirth. I needed to recalibrate and live my travels without a camera but I 
>> know what I want to show next.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Erik
>> -- 
>> oakland, ca
>> bikenoir.blogspot.com
>>
>

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