Re: [RBW] Re: Where are the cheap seats?

[Jack B]

Joe that sounds great! I’ll dm you for details.

On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 1:47 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I have this hanging around here if you or anyone else wants it. Ritchey
> Vector tubular crmo rails, it was actually a pretty high zoot piece back in
> the day but now it's just a saddle that came on a barely-ridden vintage
> mountain bike I gave to my daughter. The only wear seems to be from being
> moved around a garage for a couple decades. $15.50 usually covers a Medium
> Flat Rate box, I'll send it for that.
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 1:14:26 PM UTC-7 Jack Barnes wrote:
>
>> Looking for a cheap, basic saddle... maybe like Riv used on the complete
>> Clems. Something that'll do the job for a short ride, but no big deal if it
>> gets swiped. Riv doesn't sell anything but Brooks.
>>
>> Backstory I'm Bosco-ing an old 90's Fuji MTB for my kid to use at
>> college, and looking for a saddle that no one would want to steal. I'm
>> guessing he'll ride it 10 blocks each way and that's about it. Or maybe
>> someone has an old Clem seat collecting dust?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JB
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Where are the cheap seats?

[Jack B]

Hey thanks Bill, I’m in Portland and could definitely go browse used part
bins or see what shops have as take-offs. At this moment buying on the list
or online would also work well for me.

On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 1:26 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Where are you located?  I would think that anybody should be able to find
> a free saddle if you truly don't care what you get.  In non-pandemic times
> I would think any bike shop would have a bin of take off saddles for
> cheap.  When I worked at a shop the bin was $10.  Anybody who bought a bike
> and wanted to change the saddle, I'd pay them $10 for the saddle and throw
> it in the $10 bin.  I didn't make any money on markup on $10 saddles, but
> nobody haggled on either end.
>
> At any of the rally big online retailers if you sort saddles cheap to
> expensive they'll almost certainly start under $20.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 1:14:26 PM UTC-7 Jack Barnes wrote:
>
>> Looking for a cheap, basic saddle... maybe like Riv used on the complete
>> Clems. Something that'll do the job for a short ride, but no big deal if it
>> gets swiped. Riv doesn't sell anything but Brooks.
>>
>> Backstory I'm Bosco-ing an old 90's Fuji MTB for my kid to use at
>> college, and looking for a saddle that no one would want to steal. I'm
>> guessing he'll ride it 10 blocks each way and that's about it. Or maybe
>> someone has an old Clem seat collecting dust?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JB
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB single silver shifter (or dia-compe ENE)

[Jack B]

Thanks, someone else just came through with a pair for me, but I'm still
tempted by yours!

-JB

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 8:56 PM, rob markwardt  wrote:

> doh...just read this after posting my shifters for sale.  If they don't
> sell I'll gladly take one apart and give you the guts.  I might have
> another in the garage though...will look tomorrow.
>
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> On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 7:55:02 PM UTC-8, Jack Barnes wrote:
>>
>> Looking for one silver shifter.
>>
>> Luckily I stumbled onto this post:
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/VplzeZ3NDJg/taLi3RjyAQAJ
>>
>> ... and got to see what the innards of this shifter should look like.  It
>> appears I've lost the little spring that makes it all work properly.
>>
>> I have the pods and one working shifter. Mine are actually the dia-compe
>> version that VO sells, but I'm not choosy. Looking for the right-hand side,
>> but I've heard they are interchangeable.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jack in PDX
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: RIVEOPARDY

[Jack B]

Ha! Doubtful I could have gotten to Dove bar even with the extra B.

I went with Noodle since it could be considered "low car", i.e. Noodling
around instead of driving. It's a stretch.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 8:42 AM Ryan Fleming 
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> Easy, once you know the answer...got stumped because the SOBA question was
> in Riv bike models column
>
> Anyway, lots of fun...do more of these
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> On Monday, January 23, 2017 at 10:36:41 AM UTC-6, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
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> Clue should've been high carb / low carB--not "car". And it's a bar we
> don't sell anymore. Dove bar. Meat (if a real dove), and ice cream /
> chocolate confection for the high carb.
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> Buckwheat was SOBA bar.
>
> I'll try to post the key--need roman's help converting excel file to JPEG.
> Internet was helpful for non-mac, but I'm on mac. I'm sure it's easy, but
> I've had it with trying, so I'll get Roman to show me.
>
> sorry for the missing B!
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Re: [RBW] Noodle bars: Any upsweep on the flats?

[Jack B]

Thanks for all the replies. I tried out some noodles at the LBS and
realized that they sweep backward slightly, which is probably what I liked
about the rando bars. Another list member is selling me a used noodle and
ill give it a whirl.

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Paul G  wrote:

> This is true. From the stem clamp to the beginning of the curve to the
> ramps, the Noodle bars actually slope downward slightly (like a Moustach
> bar, but not nearly as much) which results in the ramps being slightly
> lower for any given stem height. The amount is slight, but noticeable and I
> like how if feels when riding on the tops. It makes for a nice wrist angle
> there.
>
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> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 5:11:17 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> Rather than upsweep, Noodles drop on the outside giving them a very
>> natural position for brake interruptor levers (cross brakes)
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Re: [RBW] Noodle bars: Any upsweep on the flats?

[Jack B]

Okay Joe, then do you have a 46 Noodle you'd like to sell me? ;-)

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> You're right on about the B135 and narrowness. Years ago I switched to
> them from 46 Noodles thinking they would be similar in width at the brake
> hoods, but they felt MUCH narrower. I think Noodles are hard to beat for
> comfort in a drop bar (disclaimer: I don't use drops at all anymore).
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Re: [RBW] Noodle bars: Any upsweep on the flats?

[Jack B]

Yeah the B135 sounds like it would be a good fit, except for the
limited width. 45cm in itself is almost wide enough, but that's measured c
to c at the bar ends, right? That style of bar is going to be much narrower
at the flats, I'd think.

Sounds like I had my terminology wrong earlier when I was talking about the
ramps. I meant the drops.  Right now I've tilted the Mark's bar up slightly
(cheating, like Patrick says). This makes the drops really steep, like
35deg or more. Kinda funky.

Thanks for all the replies.

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> + 1 for the B 135 -- shortish reach and very comfortable upsweep. The
> Noodle sweeps back but not up; reach (I take it that Riv means effective
> reach) is 95 mm. So if you can stomach 1 more cm of reach, the B 135 may
> well be your boy. I see that Ben's Cycles has a 45 cm width model.
>
> So, yes, the Noodle has a shorter reach but a deeper drop.
>
> Me, I prefer the shallower 120 mm drop to the Noodle's (not *Noodles'!*)
> 140 mm -- IIRC, the Mark's is very like the Nitto 185 which has 135 mm drop.
>
> BTW, you can indeed adjust the tilt of a bar to make your ramps longer or
> to bring the brake levers up and closer, but IMO that is cheating; choose a
> bar that fits and lets you get the levers where you like them.
>
> And, for another lister's question: per conventional terminology, flat or
> top: section of a drop bar from clamp to forward bend. Ramp: flat part from
> bend to hood -- some bars don't have much of a ramp, like the Mark's. Hook
> or "drop": inside portion of forward curve from hood to ends of bar.
>
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> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:16 PM, Jack Barnes  > wrote:
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>> I've been riding on VO's Rando
>> 
>> bars, but have decided that they have too much forward reach. Switched over
>> to a Mark's Bar that I have in the parts bin, and I'm finding that I like
>> the reduced reach but miss the upswept flats. Would the Noodle give me some
>> of this effect? Hard to tell from the pics.
>>
>> I don't need it to be as swoopy as the rando bars. Nitto's rando bar
>> looks like a decent option, but too narrow — I'm looking for a 46 or 48cm
>> width.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Jack
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Re: [RBW] Noodle bars: Any upsweep on the flats?

[Jack B]

Bummer. Well thanks for the info Keith.

I just now made an adjustment that might help: I tilted the Mark's bar up
so that the flats (behind the hoods) are a better resting spot. Rode around
the block and they feel good.

The ramps are steep now, maybe too steep, but I don't ride there much.
Kinda new to drop bars so still trying to get it dialed in.

On Monday, June 13, 2016, Keith Muller  wrote:

> Jack,
>
> Noodle are flat accross the top
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> Keith
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[RBW] FS: Frames, Rack, Fenders, Shifters, Stems, etc.

[Jack B]

Riv content: Selling these items to help fund a Sam Hillborne :)
Items ship from Portland, OR

*Velo Orange Campeur F/F/HS*, 63cm x 63cm:  $375 + $50 shipping
Ridden ~1,500 miles, great condition. Frame treated w/ Boeshield when new.
Headset is VO’s Grand Cru, installed by VO.
pics here show complete bike in various setups:  
https://goo.gl/photos/58eRFcb31anBsspZA
This bike is still assembled so local buyers could test ride. Would ship in 
1-2 weeks.

*mid-1970’s Dawes Galaxy F/F*, 64cm x 58cm: $125 + $25
Root beer brown, great lugs & details, Reynolds 531 tubing.
Includes original rear rack (not pictured, but see catalog).
Will throw in original maxy cranks (52/40, 171), GB stem, GB drop bars (w/ 
bulb storage at bar ends!) , Downtube shifters, FD if desired (unless 
claimed already below).
Would make a great Resurrectio project. Decals mostly on top for easy 
removal.
pics here:  https://goo.gl/photos/VEG16NtGUdMTm1m87
catalog pages A3 & B7 are relevant here: 
http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/Dawes-77/

*Nitto M12 front rack*, canti-mount: $60 shipped / $45 w/frame  (no pics 
yet)

*Suntour Barcons*: $30 shipped / $25 w/frame
Kinda scuffed up. Bought used and never installed –— untested.

*VO fenders* 45mm stainless/smooth, new in package: $40 w/ frame purchase 
(not interested in shipping solo)

*IRD bottom bracket*, 68x122, new in box (installed, never ridden):  $15 
shipped

*Some other stuff not worth shipping alone, but free/cheap if you buy 
anything above:*

*Seatpost* Generic 27.2: $10

*Nitto ‘Young’ stem*, ~9cm (not mint…a beater): $10

*Specialized stem*, ~10cm (Nitto-made): $10

*GB stem*, ~9cm: free

*Maxy double crankset*, 52/40, 171mm: $15

*Suntour downtube shifters* w/ clamp: free

Photos of most items:
https://goo.gl/photos/MWkHXbL86wG6fLGy8

thanks,
Jack

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[RBW] Re: Secondary Levers and V-Brakes

[Jack B]

Wouldn't the JoeApp accept canti brakes? Then you could use road levers 
with interrupters.

I really like having the cross levers on my drop bars it's reassuring to 
know that you can brake in a pinch. But I find that I rarely use the rear 
brake, so it seems like if the Pauls are too spendy then you could just get 
the left one and use the road levers when you really need more stopping 
power. I'm also surprised by how easy it is to brake "on the hoods".



On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 10:33:12 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Mini-V's are worth considering most of the time, but given the plump tires 
> on an Appaloosa, you should probably rule them out.  Brakes in the category 
> "mini-V" usually won't clear a tire bigger than 45mm and forget about 
> fenders.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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> On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 10:22:53 AM UTC-7, doc wrote:
>>
>> I have used Cane Creek interrupter levers with V brakes.  While not the 
>> best for stopping power because of the shorter cable pull, they will slow 
>> the bike if the pads are set fairly close.  The "regular" levers were the 
>> long pulls offered by Tektro, and one could feel the difference.  Another 
>> option would be to use mini V's, which still have decent stopping power and 
>> don't require the longer cable pull.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Jack B]

Add me to the list of folks interested in VP-001 or VP-Vice pedals. 

-JB

On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 9:06:47 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> I have a pair I want to sell. I'm using DMR Vault pedals wish I prefer 
> since they're wider even though they bloody my legs every now and then and 
> I have permanent scars as well. 
>
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2016, Clayton.sf  
> wrote:
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>> My shins are always dinged up a little. Bloodletting helps get rid of 
>> excess iron. Just a minor price to pay. Compared to skateboarding it is 
>> very affordable.
>>
>> Clayton Scott
>> SF, CA
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[RBW] WTB/WTT: Schwalbe Little Big Bens 700C x 38

[Jack B]

I like my Little Ben tires, I have the brown ones. Would like to get a pair 
in black, almost purely for aesthetic reasons.

Anyone want to trade my brown for your black, with some cash going your 
way? (the black ones sell for more $$). Mine have ~1,500 miles on them, 
lotsa life left.

Also might be interested in a straight purchase of your black Little Bens.

cheers,

Jack B.
Portland, OR

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Re: [RBW] Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

[Jack B]

I have some black back rollers, and they're good, but I hate trying to find 
anything lost in the bag. I they make a lighter interior color, then definitely 
consider it!

More than once I've strewn a pile of pannier stuff on the sidewalk looking for 
my keys or light. So dark in there!

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[RBW] Re: Experience with mini "half clips" ?

[Jack B]

Thanks for all the replies. I ended up buying some of the MKS Cage Half 
Clips, and put about 75 miles on with them over the weekend, then about 20 
more miles in the city today.

On the 75mi ride (actually split up into 2 days) I wore samba-like 
sneakers, and felt like I really had to lift my foot to get any upward 
resistance from the cages, i.e. the shoes don't really fill the cage. But 
this means that the feet are free to move around and make small changes in 
position to avoid RSI. On a couple of big hills It was definitely nice to 
have a little more leverage, and otherwise the clips go unnoticed.

On the 20mi ride today I wore my street shoes which are bigger, and the 
clips felt more effective, but I actually got numbness in the toes towards 
the end. In these shoes I wished I could move my foot forward to get closer 
to my normal pedal position. (I should've listened to the advice about the 
deep VO clips, maybe.)

Around town I found it annoying that the clips drag on the ground if you 
forget to engage one side, e.g. after a stop light, or if you are just 
walking the bike. I think I will go back to free pedaling for JRA, and 
might put the clips back on for long rides. Or even better, just swap 
pedals for touring, since that's an easier installation than screwing on 
the clips.

-JB

On Sunday, May 22, 2016 at 4:36:16 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> my daughter rode many miles on MKS city pedals with nylon half-clips. 
>  She's happier with Fyxation Mesa 61 platforms.  
>

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Re: [RBW] Experience with mini "half clips" ?

[Jack B]

Thanks for the replies.

Dan, thanks for the generous offer on the VO clips, but I think if I want 
to try these then I'll just pick some up today at my LBS so that I can use 
them on my weekend ride. 

cheers,
JB

On Friday, May 20, 2016 at 11:09:54 AM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> I used mks steel medium deep toeclips -no straps on my MKS touring pedals 
> for a while.
>
> But I like riding without the clips better. Since 2013 I have done all my 
> riding on just the bare MKS touring pedals -no clips or straps. Just free.
> I have done centuries and one 200k brevet with just the touring pedals. 
> Best riding of my life. So nice to ride free. On and off the bike is a 
> breeze.
>
> So I would say riding with MKS Touring pedals on longer rides is fantastic.
>
>

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[RBW] Experience with mini "half clips" ?

[Jack B]

I mostly subscribe to the Riv theory about pedals, i.e. I ride flat pedals 
w/ street shoes for my daily rides.

My current setup has MKS Sylvan touring pedals, which I bought with the 
idea that I could add toeclips and straps for longer rides.

Well now I'm about to go on a longish ride for an s24o, and don't really 
want to mess with full clips and straps, but also think it might be nice to 
have some more leverage.

Anyone have success with these half-clips that MKS and VO offer?
https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=32040

Seems like a nice compromise, but I'm also skeptical about the 
effectiveness. Anyone have experience with these?

cheers,
Jack B.

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[RBW] Re: Let's see your sage Sams

[Jack B]

Good to see these shots... I have the brown LBB tires on my Campeur and was 
thinking of moving them over to Sammy for now.
-JB

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 9:08:13 AM UTC-7, Jon Dukeman in the foothills 
of Colorado wrote:
>
> Here it's got some different colored Little Bens.
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 9:55:37 AM UTC-6, Jack B wrote:
>>
>> Sweet setup Jon, giving me some good ideas.
>>
>> Lately I'm partial to brown or gumwall tires, but all-black tires look 
>> great on the sage Sams, like Joe mentioned. The cream fenders are a great 
>> touch.
>>
>> -JB
>>
>> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 8:48:38 AM UTC-7, Jon Dukeman in the foothills 
>> of Colorado wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> You will love your Sam! You can configure it so many different ways...
>>> When I first ordered my Sam I wasn't sure I'd like the Sage color.They 
>>> were out of the blue.
>>> Now I love it with the cream fenders., honey Brooks 17 and Brooks honey 
>>> leather bar tape.
>>> It has a Pass & Stow front rack with medium Wald basket,,Pletscher rear 
>>> rack. Since these pics were taken I have added  a Son front hub with front 
>>> and rear lights.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Let's see your sage Sams

[Jack B]

Sweet setup Jon, giving me some good ideas.

Lately I'm partial to brown or gumwall tires, but all-black tires look 
great on the sage Sams, like Joe mentioned. The cream fenders are a great 
touch.

-JB

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 8:48:38 AM UTC-7, Jon Dukeman in the foothills 
of Colorado wrote:
>
>
> You will love your Sam! You can configure it so many different ways...
> When I first ordered my Sam I wasn't sure I'd like the Sage color.They 
> were out of the blue.
> Now I love it with the cream fenders., honey Brooks 17 and Brooks honey 
> leather bar tape.
> It has a Pass & Stow front rack with medium Wald basket,,Pletscher rear 
> rack. Since these pics were taken I have added  a Son front hub with front 
> and rear lights.
>
>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Let's see your sage Sams

[Jack B]

Thanks for all the great pics... keep 'em coming!

Richard is right, that's a great gallery of Sams on the Blue Lug site. 
Thanks Takashi!

-JB

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 8:36:29 AM UTC-7, RichS wrote:
>
> Takashi, this is a wonderful collection of Sam pics! Best I've 
> encountered. Thank you for posting. 
>
> Richard
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 7:10:49 AM UTC-4, Takashi wrote:
>>
>> Congratulations on your new Sam!
>> Not my bike, but there are good pics of Sam in Blue Lug (a Riv dealer 
>> shop in Japan) website:
>> https://bluelug.com/contents/rivendell/sam-hillborne-complete.php
>> Scroll down to see gallery.
>> Not many Sage Sams, though.
>>
>> Takashi
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[Jack B]

I have had pretty good luck with this VO sealed headset for $52:
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/headsets/grand-cru-1-sealed-bearing-headset.html

-JB

On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 9:06:26 PM UTC-7, Sean on Bike wrote:
>
> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>
> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 Cane 
> Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as they 
> all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle bearing 
> Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>
> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>
> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Let's see your sage Sams

[Jack B]

I've bought a sage Sam from another RBW list member... Woohoo!

So of course I'm daydreaming about how to build it up while I await 
shipping For now it will be a drop-bar Sam.

Would love to see what color bar tape folks have used on these. I'm sure it 
would look great with the gold/amber color I've used before, but wondering 
what else folks have done. Anyone care to share links to their Sage Sammy 
pics?

cheers,
Jack
Portland, OR

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[RBW] UNracer Ride, Portland, June 29

[Jack B]

Sounds great!  I also stumbled on the Rivelo ride a few days prior, with Grant 
P. 

http://www.shift2bikes.org/cal/viewpp2016.php#25-5536

Looks like it might wrap up in time for the "Sunny Nekkid Ride" so we can all 
show off our beausage. 

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[RBW] Short Bleriot on PDX Craigslist

[Jack B]

Could be a nice find if truly has only 200 miles on it. Figured maybe this 
would be under the radar since it is advertised as a "Rivendale".

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/5583187311.html

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[RBW] Re: Gifford Pinchot NF

[Jack B]

The BikePortland blog has had a couple of articles about GPNF recently, 
mostly gravel stuff:
http://bikeportland.org/2016/05/03/the-ride-exploring-the-gifford-pinchot-national-forest-hinterlands-182398
http://bikeportland.org/2015/05/04/ride-gifford-gravel-50-exhilirating-day-saddle-142678

-JB

On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 9:45:28 AM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Looking into riding for several days in the Gifford Pinchot NF.  Any 
> advice?  What maps do you use?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Curtis
>

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[RBW] Re: choco bars with bar-end shifters?

[Jack B]

Grant's Cheviot has some good shots of a choco moose w/ bar-end shifters:
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff2.htm

On Friday, April 22, 2016 at 4:43:02 PM UTC-7, Jack B wrote:
>
> If you are using mountain brake levers (only choice, right?) then put 
> those on first. They will dictate how far the shift cable can run under the 
> grip (i.e. the shift cable must exit the grip soon enough to avoid the 
> brake lever & clamp).
>
> I really like my barcons on albatross and on drops, but on a choco bar I 
> wonder if they'd be too close to the body? Will be interested to know what 
> others say.
>
> -JB
>
> On Friday, April 22, 2016 at 4:20:12 PM UTC-7, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>> Howdy all,
>>
>> Has anybody actually tried/tested using bar-end shifters on any of the 
>> new choco bars? I have a Joe App with the choco bullmoose bar and keep 
>> wondering about trying out bar-end shifters. (It seems that the only right 
>> one available from riv right now is Shimano 9 Dura Ace Bar End Shifter 
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh2-9.htm)
>>
>> I've not no real beef with the standard inverted thumb shifters 
>> themselves, but I'm interested in having more available/holdable real 
>> estate on the bar.
>>
>> So, pros/cons?
>>
>> If I do use bar-end shifters, how far should/could I run the cable under 
>> bar tape on this bar?
>>
>> I suppose experience with other similar style bars (in the albastache 
>> family) would be relevant...
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: choco bars with bar-end shifters?

[Jack B]

If you are using mountain brake levers (only choice, right?) then put those 
on first. They will dictate how far the shift cable can run under the grip 
(i.e. the shift cable must exit the grip soon enough to avoid the brake 
lever & clamp).

I really like my barcons on albatross and on drops, but on a choco bar I 
wonder if they'd be too close to the body? Will be interested to know what 
others say.

-JB

On Friday, April 22, 2016 at 4:20:12 PM UTC-7, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> Howdy all,
>
> Has anybody actually tried/tested using bar-end shifters on any of the new 
> choco bars? I have a Joe App with the choco bullmoose bar and keep 
> wondering about trying out bar-end shifters. (It seems that the only right 
> one available from riv right now is Shimano 9 Dura Ace Bar End Shifter 
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh2-9.htm)
>
> I've not no real beef with the standard inverted thumb shifters 
> themselves, but I'm interested in having more available/holdable real 
> estate on the bar.
>
> So, pros/cons?
>
> If I do use bar-end shifters, how far should/could I run the cable under 
> bar tape on this bar?
>
> I suppose experience with other similar style bars (in the albastache 
> family) would be relevant...
>
> Thanks!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: joe appaloosa photos, registration

[Jack B]

+1 for registering on Bike Index, it totally works!

One of my time-wasting habits is to browse CL for used bikes and parts. I 
saw a suspicious post the other day, checked Bike Index, and sure enough it 
was a stolen bike! Just now heard back from the owner that she recovered 
her bike.

It felt really great to play a small part in helping someone get their bike 
back. Please register your bikes if you haven't already.

-Jack

On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 12:31:39 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> Yes!!!
>
> I need to register my bikes as well, and at some point need to plan an 
> S24O to China Camp, probably taking the train to SF from Palo Alto. It's in 
> my bucket list!
>
> René 
>
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 1:20 PM, WETH  
> wrote:
>
>> Beautiful bike!  And thanks for the reminder about bikeindex and 
>> registering one's bike.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-4, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>>
>>> A bit of slightly off-topic advocacy here. I'd like to 
>>> encourage everybody who hasn't to register their bikes at bikeindex.org. 
>>> If you don't like public registration, that's cool, just make sure you 
>>> record your serial numbers and keep them safe somewhere. Having your serial 
>>> numbers is the most important thing if your bicycle is ever 
>>> stolen.
>>>
>>> I registered my Joe Appaoloosa, and here's the rec: 
>>> https://bikeindex.org/bikes/74159
>>>
>>> Here are the photos:
>>>
>>> https://flic.kr/p/FwvCWP "century mode"
>>> https://flic.kr/p/GiURFx "a bit much"
>>> https://flic.kr/p/G62LNv "heading out"
>>>
>>> I'm participating in the Haleiwa Metric Century ride this coming 
>>> weekend, so I took off all the "extra" bits to streamline a bit. This is 
>>> not a race, but why carry the weight when I don't need to, eh?
>>>
>>> The second photo was just a bit of play (there's nothing in the bags). 
>>> If/when I need to carry a TON of stuff, I anticipate putting the backabike 
>>> bags on the surly front rack, and putting ortlieb rolltops on the back 
>>> rack. It's worth noting that it is possible to mount a surly front rack on 
>>> a joe app, but it's kinda funky. The mid-fork eyelets are too high for the 
>>> surly rack, so I had to be a bit creative connecting that bit. (I think I 
>>> figured out the best solution on the 3rd configuration, which is not shown 
>>> in the photo.)
>>>
>>> The third photo is when I did actually travel with a load. This worked, 
>>> but is not the optimum loading pattern, IMHO. I just did what had to be 
>>> done with what I had at the time. I rode like this from Sonoma to China 
>>> Camp (about 50 miles) and camped there one night. It rained. In the morning 
>>> I rode the 30ish miles to Embarcadero bart in the rain. It wasn't raining 
>>> hard, just the whole time. I was pretty wet, but I survived.
>>>
>>> cheerios
>>>
>>> Yet Another Patrick
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS Rambouillet frame on Craigslist. Eugene

[Jack B]

Took some sleuthing, but found it here
http://eugene.craigslist.org/bop/5538295323.html

He has a link to a google spreadsheet with descriptions, and a link to pics 
too. Nice deal on that frame w/ stem, brakes, etc. 

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 8:55:30 AM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> I see nothing.
>
> On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 11:37:15 AM UTC-4, bo richardson wrote:
>>
>> Nixe fellow named Max has. a 58 cm orange Rambouillet Frame for sale.
>> Looks to be in really nice shape. i believe he wants 500 or so for it.
>> The ad is for a slew of parts and frames.
>>
>> Bo Richardson 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Stolen rivs in seattle

[Jack B]

More info on this cool story:
https://www.facebook.com/AaronsBicycleRepair/photos/a.116607528360586.13433.113752518646087/1101179329903396/?type=3

Also another BikeIndex success story from here in PDX:
http://bikeportland.org/2016/03/30/i-had-given-up-hope-portland-woman-gets-stolen-bike-back-five-years-later-179491?utm_source=feedburner_medium=feed_campaign=Feed%3A+BikePortland+%28BikePortland.org%29

Hoping that San Marcos turns up too!

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 9:01:45 AM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> So happy that you at least got one of your bikes back...I hope the other 
> finds its way home too!
>
> On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 6:19:02 PM UTC-5, Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>
>> Update! Thanks to Aarons  Bicycle Repair in White center and Bike Index I 
>> got my hillborne back.  Someone brought it in to sell it and they held in 
>> to it until I got there.  I'll post more later about the recovery, still no 
>> Internet at the house and there's a lot going on with insurance,  police, 
>>  etc. 
>>
>> Thanks for everyone's support!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: what bolts?

[Jack B]

The Hexlox looks promising, I might back that.

I ordered a few of the security bolts and found that it was easy to 
mis-measure. I ended up with quite a few wrong lengths... seatpost clamp 
was especially tricky to get right. Hexlox would solve that problem – All 
you need to know is the allen bolt size.



On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 5:21:10 PM UTC-7, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> Well, I haven't actually ordered the security bolts like I said I was 
> planning to. But I did jump in on an interesting kickstarter: 
>
>
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hexlox/hexlox-anti-theft-for-saddles-wheels-and-more-made
>  
>
> Probably should have just ordered the security bolts, but I'm a sucker 
> for a new gadget. 
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Tony  
> wrote: 
> > Thanks for the tip about the upgrade available for the Allen wrenches. I 
> > bought the Security Bolts a couple of years ago, but gave up due to the 
> poor 
> > quality tool that came with the bolts. My Riv has been fine here in the 
> > suburbs so far with a tether cable through the saddle, but I recently 
> had my 
> > Specialized saddle/seat post stolen inside a BART station overnight - 
> they 
> > cut the cable. I use a new cable with a ball bearing now in the bolt 
> head, 
> > kept there with bee's wax, but I'm gonna try the Security Bolt again 
> with 
> > the Bondhus tool. I'm actually gonna but five of the 5mm wrenches, since 
> > that's the only size I need - "Bondhus 48364 5mm Tamper Resistant Tip 
> Hex 
> > L-Wrench with ProGuard Finish and Long Arm, 119mm, 5-Piece" $18 on 
> Amazon. 
> > 
> > Tony 
> > 
> > On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 7:42:51 AM UTC-8, jeffrey kane wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Nothing against the Pit Lock using contingent here (he says in advance 
> to 
> >> avoid further ruffling anyone's feathers) but the security bolt idea is 
> a 
> >> great and inexpensive solution -- you just need to remember to pack 
> along 
> >> the appropriate tamper resistant hex L- wrench if you're the type that 
> likes 
> >> to make adjustments on the fly. It's a nearly fool-proof solution since 
> the 
> >> Riv binder design embeds the nylock nut flush on the other side .. all 
> >> you're left to worry about is the parts pinching thief who carries 
> around a 
> >> set of security wrenches with him while out hunting. And btw: you can 
> >> replace the saddle clamp bolt the same way, as well. 
> >> 
> >> Shioji's spec is spot-on for the Riv standard seatpost binder. Lastly, 
> the 
> >> wrenches that Security Bolts supplies with your purchase are pretty 
> nice but 
> >> if you're looking to upgrade then Bondhus sells a decent set work 
> looking 
> >> into: 
> >> 
> >> http://www.bondhustools.com/ccp0-prodshow/bondhus_48386.html 
> >> 
> >> On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 12:49:34 AM UTC-5, Patrick D Kelly 
> wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> I've got a joe appaloosa on order. I'd like to try out securing my 
> seat 
> >>> post and saddle with bolts from http://www.bicyclebolts.com/. Anybody 
> know 
> >>> what size/which bolts I should get? 
> >>> 
> >>> I've used pinhead locking skewers on my bikes up to now. Any 
> >>> (anti-)recommendations for skewers and the joe? 
> >>> 
> >>> Assuming I used a good u-lock and sheldon brown locking method, are 
> there 
> >>> any other bits that I can/should worry about locking? I'm guessing 
> there's 
> >>> nothing to be done (nothing available) for the quill stem/handle bar. 
> >>> 
> >>> mahalo 
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[RBW] Re: ROSCO mailing list

[Jack B]

Anyone else catch the photo in latest email update? I am surprised to find 
that I am digging the "funkatube". Have always been on the fence about 2TT 
models, but this looks kinda fun.

-JB

On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 12:43:56 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Just saw this on the BLUG. Put "ROSCO BUBBE, your name" in the subject 
> line to gr...@rivbike.com  and you'll get updates on this 
> cool project. Be like me, do it today!

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Jack B]

Wondering if the 62cm will be a single- or double-top-tube. 

Anyone know?

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[RBW] Re: Found a 1986–87 Bridgestone T700 at the Curb This Morning, Am Puzzled

[Jack B]

Strange, I never noticed that the T700 has no eyelets on the later models. 
Looks like even the RB-T is lacking them!  I'm guessing that 'touring' 
bikes were not fashionable in the late 80's, so B-stone could get away 
without adding these features.

I might have some P-clamps in my parts bin, bought from Riv but never used, 
if you are interested. Or I would think you could buy one of the Sam forks 
that Riv has on their web specials page that would solve the problem up 
front at least.

cheers,
Jack
 

On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 9:42:34 AM UTC-7, Robert Bolesta wrote:

 Hi there,

 This morning on my commute into work (on my 1987 Bridgestone 450 I have 
 set up as a city bike with Bosco bars), I found a T700 (sans crank and 
 front wheel) at the curb.  I'll have to post some images when I clean it up 
 but my immediate reaction was, why are there not double eyelets at the rear 
 dropouts, and why none midway down the fork for front racks? Why would 
 Bridgestone have marketed a touring bike without these basic features? 
 This is especially puzzling because the 1985 model of the same bike has 
 them, as do the touring models of subsequent years.

 I just happened to be in the market for a used touring frame, so I'm 
 elated that I found this, but it breaks my heart that it doesn't have those 
 effing eyelets!!!

 Anyway, I'm excited to take a closer look while I'm cleaning it up tonight.



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[RBW] Re: Yves Gomez PBH range?

[Jack B]

Thanks for the replies I went ahead and bought the frame!  (I actually 
posted this query a week ago, but for some reason my posts don't go up 
right away.)

Yeah I ended up going with the Cheviot sizes as a guide, using same logic 
as Larry, and I am hoping that without the TT there will be some 
flexibility. 

Bike is coming together nicely thus far; will report back if the fit seems 
way off. 

cheers,
Jack

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[RBW] Yves Gomez PBH range?

[Jack B]

I have a line on a used 60 cm Yves Gomez frame. 

Anyone know the range of PBH that would be comfy for a rider on this frame? 
Hoping to build this up for my wife who is 6'-0 tall (though I don't know 
her PBH offhand).

thanks,
Jack

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[RBW] Re: Velo Orange 'Campeur' vs. the Clem

[Jack B]

I own the VO frame you mentioned, but only have been riding it a month or 
so. It's a good bike, maybe even a great bike, but it's no Riv.

Before I knew about the Clem, I convinced myself I couldn't afford a Riv, 
and bought the VO on sale in December and then built it up over the last 
few months as I found deals on new  used parts. Then just as I was 
finishing the build, I had a chance to test ride a Sam, and man I think I 
should've saved up for that bike instead! I haven't ridden a Clem, so can't 
honestly compare it with the Campeur, but have to assume it still has that 
Riv feel that we hear about on this group. 

I have the VO set up with drop bars, after mostly riding an old Trek TX500 
bike w/ Albatross bars. I have the drops raised up quite high with a 
technomic stem, but it still feels like a big reach maybe that's just 
because I'm used to the upright bars, but I didn't feel that way on a Sam 
with drops.

I think the Clem has the VO beat on aesthetics, hands down. Better looking 
fork, lugs, colors, nice looking swoop on the seat stays, just more 
handsome all around. Mine is the 63cm size and it's funny to me how it 
doesn't look like a tall frame... maybe that's good, but I think I'd rather 
see a taller headtube and a sloping top tube, which would help get the bars 
up too. I think a tall Riv (e.g. 62cm Sam) does this really well. Clem 
doesn't have that size option, so maybe not a fair comparison there.

All of that said, the VO is great at a lot of things: Carries a load, no 
probs with heelstrike on my panniers. All kinds of thought put into it 
about racks, fenders, wheel clearance, etc.  It's worth mentioning that it 
is built for Canti brakes, which could be a deal-breaker for some. I think 
you could swap out for centerpulls up front, but the rear would be trickier.



On Sunday, June 14, 2015 at 3:42:37 PM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:

 In the interest of being thorough.  There was a thread comparing the Clem 
 to the Surly LHT.  So what about this one?  It seems pretty cool. 
  Available ion a wide range of sizes, has a pump peg, kickstand plate and a 
 variety of rack and fender mounts.  $520 for the frame.
 Clearly, Clem is going to be a bit more stout.  But the Campeur is no 
 lightweight, with a stated weight of 28.1 pounds.  I like the Clem's 
 dropouts and rack mounts better.   Is there anyone who has ridden the VO? 
  Or had the chance to give a good looking over?  I'd love to hear your 
 thoughts.


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[RBW] Re: Seeking Rack Advice

[Jack B]

Thanks so much for all the replies.
• I wouldn't have considered the Axiom due to the chain stay issue (Andrew, 
mine are even 2cm longer than on the Rando), but I like the workaround. I 
like the slim look of this rack for daily 1-bag use.
• Good to hear the feedback on the Tubus Evo  the Nitto 20R, I like the 
look of both of these racks. Evo is looking like a winner if I have the $$.
• Racktime was totally not on my radar! Might try one of these for now, and 
then spring for a Nitto or Tubus when I've finally saved up for a Sam. 


cheers,
Jack

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 12:13:30 PM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote:

 #3 is a very nice feature and can easily be overlooked.

 On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 10:56:12 AM UTC-7, Will wrote:

 I've equipped 4 of our bikes with Tubus Logo Evo's. I cannot say enough 
 good things about the rack. Four things worth knowing:

 1) it is extremely well made and substantial without being heavy
 2) it fits Ortlieb bags perfectly since the bags and the racks are 
 co-engineered.
 3) it has a high and low carry rail. 
 4) it fits and protects the BM Topline light, which is the best 
 tail-light on the market. 

 You have a choice of silver or black. 

 Wayne: 
 http://www.thetouringstore.com/TUBUS/TUBUS%20HOME/TUBUS%20HOME%20PAGE.htm
 is a very good fellow to deal with. He's price competitive and very 
 responsive. If you do buy from him, be sure to get that Topline rear light. 



 On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 9:15:03 AM UTC-5, Jack B wrote:

 I'm looking for a rear rack for my VO Campeur, and a bit overwhelmed by 
 all the choices. Anyone with opinions to share?

 The rack might see some light touring, but the primary use will be for 
 my daily commute, usually with one ortlieb roller pannier, ~15 lbs load. 
 Occasionally I'll stuff it heavier, say 20 lbs.

 I love the idea of the Clem rack but am skeptical about carrying 
 panniers on this rack. Maybe it could handle my light daily load, but I 
 also take the bag off at least twice daily, so it should be easy to mount  
 remove the bag.  

 VO's Campeur rack would be an obvious choice but seems like overkill 
 plus I'm a bit self conscious about riding around like a VO advertisement 
 with too many of their parts, I prefer to mix it up. Would Nitto's R-15 do 
 the trick?

 Weight is not a huge issue, but I do lug my bike up 3 flights of stairs 
 each day.

 Thanks for any input from the group!



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[RBW] Re: Visting Portland

[Jack B]

If beers are what you want, then there are some great options not far from 
Rivelo, in the SE quadrant:
• Hair of the Dog is at SE Water  Yamhill, maybe a mile due north of 
Rivelo. Strangely I've never been, but great beers. BIG beers though, so if 
you have more riding to do then be careful.
• The Commons Brewery has a new tasting room at SE 7th  Belmont. Their 
Belgian- and Euro-Inspired beers are a refreshing change from the hop-heavy 
IPAs found elsewhere (though I love those too). Highly recommend. 
• Just a few blocks East is the  Cascade Barrel House (sour beers) and 
Green Dragon (owned by Rogue, but with 50+ rotating taps, mostly not 
Rogue). Both have good outdoor seating if weather is good. 
• Head north of here for Base Camp Brewing, south for Lucky Lab, even 
further south to Division St. for Apex Beer bar (actally almost due East 
from Rivelo). Great outdoor seating at all three.
• If you do plan to visit Mt. Tabor then you could take the Salmon St. bike 
boulevard most of the way from Central Eastside. Much nicer route than any 
of the busy streets with bike lanes.
• Along the way to or from Tabor I'd suggest a stop at The Horse Brass Pub, 
a real Portland institution. 50+ taps, knowledgeable staff. 

Have fun!

On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 3:04:56 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:

 So much good advice Thanks everyone who's chimed in! Some great stuff 
 here. Grateful to have this list as a resource.

 Keep em coming!

 On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 9:14:47 AM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:

 My girlfriend and I are taking a road trip up to Portland in a couple 
 weeks and bringing our bikes. We plan on riding around fairly leisurely and 
 enjoying a great town. I've been before but never had the pleasure of 
 having my Riv (or any bike for that matter) with me. 

 Any tips? Good routes, sights, beer stops? We will def stop by Rivelo and 
 Velo Cult. 

 Thanks!



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[RBW] Seeking Rack Advice

[Jack B]

I'm looking for a rear rack for my VO Campeur, and a bit overwhelmed by all 
the choices. Anyone with opinions to share?

The rack might see some light touring, but the primary use will be for my 
daily commute, usually with one ortlieb roller pannier, ~15 lbs load. 
Occasionally I'll stuff it heavier, say 20 lbs.

I love the idea of the Clem rack but am skeptical about carrying panniers 
on this rack. Maybe it could handle my light daily load, but I also take 
the bag off at least twice daily, so it should be easy to mount  remove 
the bag.  

VO's Campeur rack would be an obvious choice but seems like overkill 
plus I'm a bit self conscious about riding around like a VO advertisement 
with too many of their parts, I prefer to mix it up. Would Nitto's R-15 do 
the trick?

Weight is not a huge issue, but I do lug my bike up 3 flights of stairs 
each day.

Thanks for any input from the group!

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