Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Headsets and Chains

[Justus G]

Lol.  Still getting used to this place.  Just realized my last comment 
responded to something from 6+ months ago...so it goes...at least the 
thread was current ;)

That said, just want to thank the OP again for doing this as CC is so 
meaningful to the sport of cycling and any support directed his way is 
great!  Hope to see more opportunities like this.  Thx!
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 6:26:14 PM UTC-6 Justus G wrote:

> I think Greg is actually referring to the SS model, which is an early Ibis 
> bike, as opposed to meaning single speed.
>
> As someone with a couple of Scorchers, I will only say that the one thing 
> that is more fun than an Ibis Scorcher is a Willits Scorcher with Schwalbe 
> 2.35" Big Ones.  Fixed and Plush!  In fact, I never really enjoyed fixed 
> riding as much, until I rode fixed and fat.  The originals are an 
> interesting insight into the influence Wes would ultimately have and so 
> cool, but he really nailed it with the Willits versions as a blast of a 
> bike.
>
>
> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 1:55:27 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Greg...is that Ibis the Scorcher? Man...that bike was so cool. If it 
>> didn't in some way inspire the Bridgestone X0-1 , I'd be very surprised. 
>> They certainly both have that iconoclastic vibe 
>>
>> http://www.63xc.com/scorcher/scorcher.htm 
>>
>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 12:48:56 PM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:
>>
>>> I am also thinking hard about which bike is appropriate for this 
>>> headset.  The closest I have to that era MTB is an Ibis SS, but I'm 
>>> thinking maybe the '81 Ritchey sport-touring or the Riv Wford All-Rounder?
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 3:26:17 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm going to put the headset in a place of high honor on my new 
>>>> forthcoming Nobilette Roadeo.  In honor of Charlie I'm going to execute 
>>>> two 
>>>> maker projects:
>>>>
>>>> 1. I'm going to make a little plastic shadowbox to display the postcard 
>>>> of Jacquie and Charlie, along with the autographed headset box.  I'll hang 
>>>> that on my wall.
>>>> 2. But wait, Bill, your new Roadeo is going to be 1" threadless!  Yup!  
>>>> In my community college machine shop class, I'm going to convert this 
>>>> threaded headset into a threadless headset.  How the heck are you gonna 
>>>> pull of that craziness?!?!  Wait and see!
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:46:16 AM UTC-7 Mitch Browne wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Received my NIB headset and chain yesterday.  Nice picture card of 
>>>>> Jacquie and Charlie inside box.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mitch
>>>>> San Luis Obispo, CA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:02:26 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I got a headset coming my way. I don't even know what it's for. I'm 
>>>>>> turning 50 next month, maybe I'll incorporate it into a bike present for 
>>>>>> myself!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 12:03 PM Bill Lindsay  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was such an obvious purchase.  I sat back to be polite and let 
>>>>>>> all the smart money buy them up.  When I emailed Jacquie she still had 
>>>>>>> headsets to sell.  So I bought a headset and a chain.  I'll sit back 
>>>>>>> again 
>>>>>>> to let the smart money buy what remains, but after my politeness runs 
>>>>>>> out, 
>>>>>>> I might go back and buy more.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:38:08 PM UTC-7 Corwin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Posting this for a couple friends. Charlie Cunningham and Jacquie 
>>>>>>>> Phelan have an ample store of spare parts. Today, we offer you WTB 
>>>>>>>> headsets 
>>>>>>>> and Sachs/Sedis chains. Please send mail directly to Jacquie: Jacquie 
>>>>>>>> at batnet.com. Payment should be via paypal using Jacquie's email 
>>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Headsets and Chains

[Justus G]

I think Greg is actually referring to the SS model, which is an early Ibis 
bike, as opposed to meaning single speed.

As someone with a couple of Scorchers, I will only say that the one thing 
that is more fun than an Ibis Scorcher is a Willits Scorcher with Schwalbe 
2.35" Big Ones.  Fixed and Plush!  In fact, I never really enjoyed fixed 
riding as much, until I rode fixed and fat.  The originals are an 
interesting insight into the influence Wes would ultimately have and so 
cool, but he really nailed it with the Willits versions as a blast of a 
bike.

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 1:55:27 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> Greg...is that Ibis the Scorcher? Man...that bike was so cool. If it 
> didn't in some way inspire the Bridgestone X0-1 , I'd be very surprised. 
> They certainly both have that iconoclastic vibe 
>
> http://www.63xc.com/scorcher/scorcher.htm 
>
> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 12:48:56 PM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:
>
>> I am also thinking hard about which bike is appropriate for this headset. 
>>  The closest I have to that era MTB is an Ibis SS, but I'm thinking maybe 
>> the '81 Ritchey sport-touring or the Riv Wford All-Rounder?
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 3:26:17 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I'm going to put the headset in a place of high honor on my new 
>>> forthcoming Nobilette Roadeo.  In honor of Charlie I'm going to execute two 
>>> maker projects:
>>>
>>> 1. I'm going to make a little plastic shadowbox to display the postcard 
>>> of Jacquie and Charlie, along with the autographed headset box.  I'll hang 
>>> that on my wall.
>>> 2. But wait, Bill, your new Roadeo is going to be 1" threadless!  Yup!  
>>> In my community college machine shop class, I'm going to convert this 
>>> threaded headset into a threadless headset.  How the heck are you gonna 
>>> pull of that craziness?!?!  Wait and see!
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:46:16 AM UTC-7 Mitch Browne wrote:
>>>
 Received my NIB headset and chain yesterday.  Nice picture card of 
 Jacquie and Charlie inside box.

 Mitch
 San Luis Obispo, CA

 On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:02:26 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> I got a headset coming my way. I don't even know what it's for. I'm 
> turning 50 next month, maybe I'll incorporate it into a bike present for 
> myself!
>
> Eric
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 12:03 PM Bill Lindsay  
> wrote:
>
>> This was such an obvious purchase.  I sat back to be polite and let 
>> all the smart money buy them up.  When I emailed Jacquie she still had 
>> headsets to sell.  So I bought a headset and a chain.  I'll sit back 
>> again 
>> to let the smart money buy what remains, but after my politeness runs 
>> out, 
>> I might go back and buy more.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:38:08 PM UTC-7 Corwin wrote:
>>
>>> Hi -
>>>
>>> Posting this for a couple friends. Charlie Cunningham and Jacquie 
>>> Phelan have an ample store of spare parts. Today, we offer you WTB 
>>> headsets 
>>> and Sachs/Sedis chains. Please send mail directly to Jacquie: Jacquie 
>>> at batnet.com. Payment should be via paypal using Jacquie's email 
>>> address. Friends and family only please. Please do not send any money 
>>> until 
>>> Jacquie confirms your purchase.
>>>
>>> About the headsets... These are WTB Grease Guard headsets. Grease 
>>> Guard was a "thing" back in the early days of mountain biking. Charlie 
>>> created Grease Guard and SunTour licensed it. Wilderness Trail Bikes 
>>> (WTB) 
>>> is the company Charlie founded and was later forced out of. These are 
>>> 1" 
>>> threaded headsets, and are new-in-box. Each box is personally signed by 
>>> Charlie, so you not only get a great headset - you get a piece of 
>>> history 
>>> and a collector's item. The headsets are priced at $75 plus shipping 
>>> via 
>>> USPS.
>>>
>>> About the chains... These are Sachs/Sedis 6/7/8 speed chains. They 
>>> measure 57 inches long and therefore have 114 links each. The chains 
>>> are 
>>> new and unused. You can buy a less expensive chain elsewhere - or you 
>>> can 
>>> buy one of these Sachs/Sedis chains, get a piece of history and help 
>>> out 
>>> Jacquie and Charlie. The chains are priced at $40 each plus shipping 
>>> via 
>>> USPS.
>>>
>>> Link for photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/FMZGGcXysNkzkBBR7
>>>
>>> Thanks for looking,
>>>
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Saddle height and BPH

[Justus G]

Standover is generally a non-issue and should be of limited consideration 
for fit purposes, all things being equal.

I do believe your saddle height has been very low based on the fact that I 
have an 83cm PBH and run a height of 72cm.  The Riv guidance looks to be 
within expected range.

Generally recommend dialing in saddle setback first and since yours is 
slammed back, I would recommend centering it on the rails and raising it a 
little further.  If you can sit  on the bike (with someone holding it 
upright for you) and hover your hands over the bars without engaging too 
much core strength, you are probably in a good spot with respect to saddle 
setback (and its relation to bar height).  If your weight distribution with 
the new setback leans you into the bars and puts weight on your wrists, 
then still work to do (fore, aft, tilt, relationship to bars etc.)  

Saddle height should be such that your legs come close to full extension on 
downstroke but do not lock out and does not create side to side hip 
movement (reaching for the pedals).

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 11:55:35 AM UTC-6 Jay Lonner wrote:

> Please note the typo in the subject heading - I am referring to PBH (pubic 
> bone height) and not BPH (benign prostatic hypertrophy) which is another, 
> separate factor of potential interest to bike riding men of a certain age…
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Dec 12, 2022, at 9:49 AM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>
> I just took delivery of a new (non-Riv) bike and am dialing in the fit. 
> I’m a little worried that the frame is too big for me, since I only have 
> maybe 2” standover, which seems tight for a gravel bike.
>
>
> So I went out and measured the saddle height on my Hunq (which is a size 
> 62). It came in at about 75cm. This gives me a solid fistful of seatpost. 
> Then I remeasured my PBH, which is 93-94 cm depending on hard I pull. For 
> reference, here’s the relevant page from HQ:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/pubic-bone-height-how-to-measure-your-pbh
>
> This suggests that based on my  PBH my saddle height should be closer to 
> 83 cm – an 8cm discrepancy. Before riding in this morning I raised my 
> saddle height to 79 cm, basically splitting the difference. It felt weird, 
> which of course it would after so many years at 75cm. But I made it in and 
> my feet were in full contact with the pedals without any tippytoe 
> maneuvers. So I guess I’ve been doing it wrong this whole time? Kind of 
> embarrassing. Even so, according to the Riv method my saddle height is 
> still ~4cm lower than my PBH would suggest. 
>
> So I guess I’m wondering about alternative ways of determining saddle 
> height somewhat objectively, and/or whether I should now be looking at 
> other variables such as a fore-aft saddle positioning, saddle angle, and 
> even saddle type (currently a B68, slammed back as far as it can go on a 
> S83, with the nose pitched up ~10 degrees or so). Other relevant factors 
> might be crank arm length (175mm), pedal height (Pedaling Innovations 
> platform pedals), and shoes (Chuck Taylors, typically). Looking for the 
> optimum balance of comfort, efficiency, and protecting my perineum.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus front derailleur reccomendation needed

[Justus G]

chainline not chainlink

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:28:53 AM UTC-6 Justus G wrote:

> All good!  You are on the right track.  As Scott stated earlier, you can 
> likely even go lower with the spec of 110-113mm and I am sure I am running 
> a touch shorter on mine just for the reduced Q and good chainlink for gears 
> I use.
>
> BTW great cranks you have and love the finish on them.  I have that same 
> finish my Potts.  I run these as doubles and triples for road, mountain and 
> gravel setups in the standard and compact versions.  One of the all time 
> great cranksets.
>
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:21:38 AM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Well I’m an idiot. The chainring says CSP3 42 and the first thing that 
>> popped up on google had 110 but that was an add. Yes, it’s a 94 bcd. 
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2022, at 11:36 AM, Jingy  wrote:
>>
>> I was going off what Jacob said in a later post- "just checked and it’s 
>> a 110 BCD on the big ring."
>>
>>
>> So Jacob will need to confirm exactly what crank and chainrings he has, 
>> and go from there.
>> Jim
>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:32:33 AM UTC-6 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Jim:  Correct, however if you see the original post, he is running 
>>> 42/32/22 which is not compatible with 110/74bcd.  Until I see otherwise or 
>>> those gear numbers change, we have to assume he is really running the 
>>> Compact 94/58 Ritchey Logic and 110-113mm is the correct recommend.  His 
>>> issue seems to support this with the thought being you might not be able to 
>>> swing a cage out far enough if your spindle is 10mm longer than setup spec.
>>>
>>> Jacob:  Feel free to post a pic to clarify, but I think the group has 
>>> you on the right track.  Good on you for digging in and learning.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:22:13 AM UTC-6 Jingy wrote:
>>>
>>>> The stock BB length for a 110/74 Ritchey triple crank is 120mm.
>>>> I'm using an old Campy Veloce triple FD with my Ritchey crank and it 
>>>> shifts fine
>>>>
>>>> Jim in Mpls
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:48:34 AM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I did not have the cable installed. I just manually grabbed the cage 
>>>>> and I did have the limit screws open. By my eye it didn’t reach the big 
>>>>> ring. But if I’m using too wide of a BB then that probably explains it. 
>>>>> I’ve ordered a 113mm width. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I did not realize the 118mm BB referred to Silver cranks only. That’s 
>>>>> good to know. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m an ambitious but poor mechanic. Thank goodness for this list and 
>>>>> YouTube. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for the help! 
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 4, 2022, at 8:03 AM, Garth  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacob, by "not having enough throw" is that hooked up with a cable or 
>>>>> not ?  If it's with a cable then it's obviously a cable adjustment issue, 
>>>>> but really whenever a derailleur capacity is in question it's best to 
>>>>> simply do it without a cable and manually see how much it can travel with 
>>>>> the adjustment screws open all the way.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Riv derailleur for a 118mm BB is referring to the Silver crankset 
>>>>> only, it's not universally applicable. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 8:58:28 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My Susie is clearing a 2.8" rear tyre with a triple setup on a 113mm 
>>>>>> BB atm. Not the same crank but majority of that era triples were pretty 
>>>>>> much made for 110mm BBs except for some Suntours which needed crazy long 
>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus front derailleur reccomendation needed

[Justus G]

All good!  You are on the right track.  As Scott stated earlier, you can 
likely even go lower with the spec of 110-113mm and I am sure I am running 
a touch shorter on mine just for the reduced Q and good chainlink for gears 
I use.

BTW great cranks you have and love the finish on them.  I have that same 
finish my Potts.  I run these as doubles and triples for road, mountain and 
gravel setups in the standard and compact versions.  One of the all time 
great cranksets.

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:21:38 AM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well I’m an idiot. The chainring says CSP3 42 and the first thing that 
> popped up on google had 110 but that was an add. Yes, it’s a 94 bcd. 
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 4, 2022, at 11:36 AM, Jingy  wrote:
>
> I was going off what Jacob said in a later post- "just checked and it’s a 
> 110 BCD on the big ring."
>
>
> So Jacob will need to confirm exactly what crank and chainrings he has, 
> and go from there.
> Jim
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:32:33 AM UTC-6 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Jim:  Correct, however if you see the original post, he is running 
>> 42/32/22 which is not compatible with 110/74bcd.  Until I see otherwise or 
>> those gear numbers change, we have to assume he is really running the 
>> Compact 94/58 Ritchey Logic and 110-113mm is the correct recommend.  His 
>> issue seems to support this with the thought being you might not be able to 
>> swing a cage out far enough if your spindle is 10mm longer than setup spec.
>>
>> Jacob:  Feel free to post a pic to clarify, but I think the group has you 
>> on the right track.  Good on you for digging in and learning.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:22:13 AM UTC-6 Jingy wrote:
>>
>>> The stock BB length for a 110/74 Ritchey triple crank is 120mm.
>>> I'm using an old Campy Veloce triple FD with my Ritchey crank and it 
>>> shifts fine
>>>
>>> Jim in Mpls
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:48:34 AM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I did not have the cable installed. I just manually grabbed the cage 
 and I did have the limit screws open. By my eye it didn’t reach the big 
 ring. But if I’m using too wide of a BB then that probably explains it. 
 I’ve ordered a 113mm width. 

 I did not realize the 118mm BB referred to Silver cranks only. That’s 
 good to know. 

 I’m an ambitious but poor mechanic. Thank goodness for this list and 
 YouTube. 

 Thank you for the help! 

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 4, 2022, at 8:03 AM, Garth  wrote:

 Jacob, by "not having enough throw" is that hooked up with a cable or 
 not ?  If it's with a cable then it's obviously a cable adjustment issue, 
 but really whenever a derailleur capacity is in question it's best to 
 simply do it without a cable and manually see how much it can travel with 
 the adjustment screws open all the way.


 The Riv derailleur for a 118mm BB is referring to the Silver crankset 
 only, it's not universally applicable. 

 On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 8:58:28 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:

> My Susie is clearing a 2.8" rear tyre with a triple setup on a 113mm 
> BB atm. Not the same crank but majority of that era triples were pretty 
> much made for 110mm BBs except for some Suntours which needed crazy long 
> ones.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus front derailleur reccomendation needed

[Justus G]

I know.  Conflicting info.  Hopefully all good teaching moments and good 
discussion.  

Justus in Mpls ;)

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:36:20 AM UTC-6 Jingy wrote:

> I was going off what Jacob said in a later post- "just checked and it’s a 
> 110 BCD on the big ring."
> So Jacob will need to confirm exactly what crank and chainrings he has, 
> and go from there.
> Jim
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:32:33 AM UTC-6 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Jim:  Correct, however if you see the original post, he is running 
>> 42/32/22 which is not compatible with 110/74bcd.  Until I see otherwise or 
>> those gear numbers change, we have to assume he is really running the 
>> Compact 94/58 Ritchey Logic and 110-113mm is the correct recommend.  His 
>> issue seems to support this with the thought being you might not be able to 
>> swing a cage out far enough if your spindle is 10mm longer than setup spec.
>>
>> Jacob:  Feel free to post a pic to clarify, but I think the group has you 
>> on the right track.  Good on you for digging in and learning.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:22:13 AM UTC-6 Jingy wrote:
>>
>>> The stock BB length for a 110/74 Ritchey triple crank is 120mm.
>>> I'm using an old Campy Veloce triple FD with my Ritchey crank and it 
>>> shifts fine
>>>
>>> Jim in Mpls
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:48:34 AM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I did not have the cable installed. I just manually grabbed the cage 
 and I did have the limit screws open. By my eye it didn’t reach the big 
 ring. But if I’m using too wide of a BB then that probably explains it. 
 I’ve ordered a 113mm width. 

 I did not realize the 118mm BB referred to Silver cranks only. That’s 
 good to know. 

 I’m an ambitious but poor mechanic. Thank goodness for this list and 
 YouTube. 

 Thank you for the help! 

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 4, 2022, at 8:03 AM, Garth  wrote:

 Jacob, by "not having enough throw" is that hooked up with a cable or 
 not ?  If it's with a cable then it's obviously a cable adjustment issue, 
 but really whenever a derailleur capacity is in question it's best to 
 simply do it without a cable and manually see how much it can travel with 
 the adjustment screws open all the way.


 The Riv derailleur for a 118mm BB is referring to the Silver crankset 
 only, it's not universally applicable. 

 On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 8:58:28 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:

> My Susie is clearing a 2.8" rear tyre with a triple setup on a 113mm 
> BB atm. Not the same crank but majority of that era triples were pretty 
> much made for 110mm BBs except for some Suntours which needed crazy long 
> ones.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus front derailleur reccomendation needed

[Justus G]

Jim:  Correct, however if you see the original post, he is running 42/32/22 
which is not compatible with 110/74bcd.  Until I see otherwise or those 
gear numbers change, we have to assume he is really running the Compact 
94/58 Ritchey Logic and 110-113mm is the correct recommend.  His issue 
seems to support this with the thought being you might not be able to swing 
a cage out far enough if your spindle is 10mm longer than setup spec.

Jacob:  Feel free to post a pic to clarify, but I think the group has you 
on the right track.  Good on you for digging in and learning.

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:22:13 AM UTC-6 Jingy wrote:

> The stock BB length for a 110/74 Ritchey triple crank is 120mm.
> I'm using an old Campy Veloce triple FD with my Ritchey crank and it 
> shifts fine
>
> Jim in Mpls
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:48:34 AM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I did not have the cable installed. I just manually grabbed the cage and 
>> I did have the limit screws open. By my eye it didn’t reach the big ring. 
>> But if I’m using too wide of a BB then that probably explains it. I’ve 
>> ordered a 113mm width. 
>>
>> I did not realize the 118mm BB referred to Silver cranks only. That’s 
>> good to know. 
>>
>> I’m an ambitious but poor mechanic. Thank goodness for this list and 
>> YouTube. 
>>
>> Thank you for the help! 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2022, at 8:03 AM, Garth  wrote:
>>
>> Jacob, by "not having enough throw" is that hooked up with a cable or 
>> not ?  If it's with a cable then it's obviously a cable adjustment issue, 
>> but really whenever a derailleur capacity is in question it's best to 
>> simply do it without a cable and manually see how much it can travel with 
>> the adjustment screws open all the way.
>>
>>
>> The Riv derailleur for a 118mm BB is referring to the Silver crankset 
>> only, it's not universally applicable. 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 8:58:28 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> My Susie is clearing a 2.8" rear tyre with a triple setup on a 113mm BB 
>>> atm. Not the same crank but majority of that era triples were pretty much 
>>> made for 110mm BBs except for some Suntours which needed crazy long ones.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Gus front derailleur reccomendation needed

[Justus G]

If you look for a good condition old stock XT M737 or LX M563 you should 
have a perfect match for your ring sizes, a small/short enough cage to not 
hit the stays and enough range for the triple.  I am currently using this 
setup with a 110/74 Ritchey Triple that I run with a Phil ~119mm BB.  But 
you may not need a new FD anyway.

Is your crankset the Ritchey Logic 94/58 Compact?  If so, that is meant to 
be run with a 110-113mm BB so if that is the case my concern is you are out 
of range due to the extra length which will also effect chainline. 

My recommend is to measure and see if a 113mm BB will work (need 5mm vs 
what you have now to tire) and go to that.  Perfect chainline.  Great 
Q-factor.  Prefect.  


On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:57:38 PM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello good people,
>
> I'm finishing up my Gus build and the front derailleur from my stash 
> doesn't work. I'm using a triple crankset (42/32/22 Ritchey) with a 123mm 
> bottom bracket. 9 speed in the back and a 2.25" rear tire. 
>
> I actually bought a Shimano FD-M780 but it was the braze on style (mistake 
> on my part). When I got the clamp in and everything mounted it didn't seem 
> to have enough throw to push into the big ring. I'm pretty confident I had 
> everything installed correctly. 
>
> The Skeleton Key FD on Riv says a 118mm BB.  
>
> If I change the BB to something narrower will I run into tire clearance 
> issues? I don't plan on going larger but it would be nice to have the 
> option. 
>
> Thanks for any insight!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jacob
>

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[RBW] Re: Blatant shoutout for Road Runner Bags

[Justus G]

Own a wide selection of Road Runner bags and they have been my go to for 
the last 5 years for sure.  Burrito bags, tool rolls, backpacks.  All great 
stuff!

Don't miss the Comrad lightweight packable backpack.  I bike everywhere and 
travel everywhere with that packable bag.  Folds up and can fit into a 
bottle cage when not needed.

Happy to hear the feedback on their camera strap as I was eyeballing it and 
currently roll with a Fuji X-T1.

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:48:18 PM UTC-6 Esteban wrote:

> I'll come out of infrequently lurking to second the quality of LA-based 
> Road Runner bags. I actually have their camera strap for my Fuji X-T2. 
> Excellent - simple, easily adjusted to fit snug to the body (I wear it in 
> the front). Great for smaller film cameras to keep it on Riv theme. Will 
> make my "tried and liked" list for 2022 I usually post on IG... maybe even 
> Best Material Good of the Year!
>
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 5:30:49 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Sorry the pics are so 'inside on a rainy day' lame. I need to get outside 
>> tomorrow and take better ones. It was cold! And rainy! 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:59:39 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I've bought and sold a few of these and really like them a lot..made in 
>>> Los Angeles, CA. USA! 
>>>
>>> This my new Burrito Bag (the small one) in turmeric (looks gold) and 
>>> pink on my dark blue Bike Friday. I think it would look great on a Mermaid 
>>> Platypus, Appaloosa or Gus. Road Runner Bags, they're good! 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day and first ride

[Justus G]

Correct.  DT Swiss TK 7.1 rims.  The precursor to the TK540.  I have the 
same DT240/TK540 combo on one of my Rosco Bubbe's.  Great Wheelset is 
really an understatement.

On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 3:16:11 PM UTC-6 Mr. Ray wrote:

> Congratsyour rims look like DT Swiss TK540 (double eyelet) rims with 
> the old decals.  The TK540 are really strong rims if wheels were built 
> properly.  My set were used for loaded RTW touring for over 20,000 miles 
> and were still true when bike was sold.  
>
> On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 3:52:45 PM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I picked a Mermaid Platypus frameset from a very nice local Riv/Crust 
>> fan. Thanks Derek!
>> Spent a couple of weeks doing a parts bin build. The only things I bought 
>> new were 2 chains because Derek has a Clem Jr to build and needed the one 
>> from this frame and a tandem length derailler cable. Was able to get the 
>> first ride in today and had fit tweaked within a few miles. I am at the 
>> bottom of the fit guide for the big 60cm but Will at Riv confirmed I would 
>> be OK. I did get to do quick ride before I purchased so confident it would 
>> work well and it does. Very nice first ride, smooth, zippy, and quick 
>> handling. Already rethinking the tires- only 700x42 Continental speed 
>> Rides. Just thinking bigger since my roads are fairly rough chip seal in 
>> general, but want to keep fenders. I will do a second post on how large a 
>> tire with fenders. Looking forward to tomorrows ride, it will be longer and 
>> more hills. Build list is as follows- steel Albatross bars and steel stem, 
>> Ergon grips, Tektro V brake and Avid levers, and Microshift 10 speed bar 
>> end shifter shifting Deore derailler. Thompson seat post and Specialized 
>> body Geometry saddle from 90's. Alfine single ring crankset. Wheels are 
>> pretty nice, DT Swiss 240s hubs and not sure which DT Swiss rims. Fenders 
>> are Bontrager meant for 26" tires, but fit well. 
>> Planning on front rack that will tame the quick handling a bit, but worth 
>> the utility. 
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI 
>>
>

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