[RBW] Re: It's getting to be that time of year again: Time to order stuff from Rivendell

[Matt D]

I could have sworn the for-real Final Legolas has been sold something like 
three times but maybe my memory fails me... but if that is the case, boy, 
if I were selling the last of something several times over I'd sure 
reconsider having canned it!

Oh, and I suppose that in my roundabout way I've done my part too. I do a 
bit of DJ work and for some reason or another a lot of clients are eager to 
pay me in gift cards. I'm sure it's a tax shelter or grift of some sort but 
as long as I get paid I'm alright. Last job I directed to route payment by 
way of our boys in Walnut Creek, will probably put it towards those 
v-brakes whenever they come out. Don't have any v-broken bikes at the 
moment but the lack of really attractive ones is an issue that I'm positive 
I will encounter in the future.

On Friday, November 15, 2019 at 11:35:31 AM UTC-6, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> Me too. I bought the final Legolas frame, bandanas, map case, bucket hat 
> and a few other thing.
>
> On Friday, November 15, 2019 at 10:50:23 AM UTC-5, Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>> I did my part by purchasing a "last chance" Hillborne back at the start 
>> of the month, since the last remaining size was my own!  Plus a stem and a 
>> couple other bits.  Maybe in another year or two I will be able to afford 
>> an AHH, and I won't have to swap my tires / remove my fenders each time I 
>> want to change up Sam's personality. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Roadini/Roadeo official tire clearance uprated?

[Matt D]

Riv recently added a new explainer to the "Bicycles & Frames" page on the 
website. It includes this line concerning the Roadini and Roadeo:

*Rivendell differences: More comfort, safer, more useful, more beautiful, 
and much more versatile. The bigger tires improve life on rough roads, and 
the clear fenders with tires up to 32mm, or without fenders, tires to 35mm. 
. Most other road bikes still being made max out at 28mm, with no fender at 
all.* 


But here's what the Roadeo page says concerning clearance

*FOR SURE: The Jack Brown, which is NOMINALLY 33.333mm wide on most 
rims--but that's irrelevant, remember?--measures about 700mm on a 24mm rim. 
It's the fattest unfendered tire we can categorically commit to fitting the 
ROADEO fork. If you want fenders also, best limit the tire to 682mm 
height...which will be about a 28.*


And likewise, from the Roadini brochure:

*2. the same tire clearances (as the Roadeo)—up to a 35mm with no fender, 
and easily a 28mm with.*


So what should I believe? Roadeo said 28 fendered/33 1/3rd unfendered, 
Roadini said 28 fendered/35 unfendered, and now it's come down that 
supposedly they'll work with 32s and fenders. And then of course we have at 
least one person on this list further muddying the waters by revealing that 
with careful caliper choice up front you can wedge 38s in a Roadini, but 
that's for sure unofficial. It does serve as an argument in favor of the 
original clearance estimated perhaps being a little conservative, though.

So, I know I've asked this on here before but maybe it's worth revisiting - 
who out here is running tires over 28 with fenders on a Roadeo/Roadini? 
How's it going? I hear tell you have official support now.

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Re: [RBW] Anyone elsed notice Rivendell's freaky, inconsistent seatpost standards?

[Matt D]

Fair enough, it's only freaky and inconsistent by modern standards I 
suppose. That bit about the tubeset diameters makes a lot of sense, thanks. 
Anyone have a list of what tube specs have been used and when? That would 
be interesting to see.

It's way easy to find 27.2 as that's the most common current road standard. 
It's not hard to find 26.8 per se, there just isn't much variety. Not that 
you can't be happy with a Nitto post for the rest of your life, of course, 
but that lugged one is neat and 27.2 only.

Eric, Velo Orange had Kalloy make them 300mm long one-bolt posts in a range 
of weird sizes for $25 a pop. 25.0/4, 26.2/4/8, 27.0/2. Fantastic resource 
for older bikes.

On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 1:48:29 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> SheldonBrown.com has an entire page devoted to seatpost sizes:
>
> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/seatpost-sizes.html 
>
> If you have an older bike, things get interesting. I have a ‘72 Cinelli 
> (26.2mm) and a ‘71 Motobecane (26.4mm) that both require seatposts that can 
> be somewhat difficult to find.
>
> --Eric N
>
> On Nov 11, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Laing Conley > 
> wrote:
>
> Seat post size is the inner diameter of top of the seat tube (usually 
> single butted - thin part at the top) - change the tube = change the seat 
> post. When the Sam got 0.2 thicker tubes (same outer diameter = same lugs), 
> the seat post got smaller -> 27.2 minus 2 x 0.2 = 26.8.
>
>
> Laing Conley  
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > On Behalf Of Joe Bernard
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 1:53 PM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch >
> Subject: [RBW] Anyone elsed notice Rivendell's freaky, inconsistent 
> seatpost standards?
>
> I believe it's a matter of what seatlug is used for a particular model. 
> 27.2 was on the MUSA frames, 29.8 was the socket-style lug originally used 
> on all Clems and now only the big ones, 26.8 is the lug currently used on 
> the smaller Clems and all MIT fully-lugged bikes. 
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Re: [RBW] briar tires

[Matt D]

Why isn't tubeless an option? Haven't got an appropriate wheelset, no 
budget for it, just don't like the idea?

I'm not a huge fan of tubeless for most purposes but that's a use case for 
which I would certainly consider it. The reason it's so popular in MTB is 
that you can run lower pressures for more comfort and better traction 
without the danger of a pinch flat. It's also popular with people riding 
super-supple tires like Compass/Rene Herse on road and gravel because you 
can run thinner casings if you don't have to worry about a ride-ending 
series of flats from small things like thorns.

Your use case is somewhere in between, you're riding trails but you aren't 
riding hard enough to risk PF'ing on a rock garden so the reason you're 
doing it is more similar to that of the Bicycle Quarterly adherent. Tires 
with tons of belts and protection don't feel very good and don't conform 
around obstacles as well, meaning that you have less traction offroad. You 
can probably get the same flat protection without tubeless but you'll cost 
yourself ride quality. In your situation I would use a 48mm Gravelking SK 
set up tubeless on Velocity Cliffhanger or VO Voyager rims.

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[RBW] Anyone elsed notice Rivendell's freaky, inconsistent seatpost standards?

[Matt D]

So what's the deal with Grant's thinking on seatposts? There are a lot of 
Rivs that come with the 26.8mm seatpost standard. Roadini, Sam H., and the 
lower two sizes of the Clem come with 26.8 and I believe all the others are 
made for 27.2 or 29.8 in the case of the Hubbuhubbuh and 59cm Clem.

So, my questions...

Considering how hard they are to come by outside of the stock Kalloy 
seatposts Rivendell ships with frames, "Dajia Cycleworks" (really just a 
Velo Orange house brand), and Nitto stuff, why use it at all? Does the 
0.4mm jump really impart much of a benefit to ride quality? If it does and 
you're already willing to forego wide compatibility why not go straight to 
26.0? When 26.8 isn't used, why isn't it used? Why jump straight to 29.8 
for the largest Clem? If a 59cm Clem needs such a beefy seatpost shouldn't 
the 57 and 61 Roadinis get one too, or are they not offroady enough? Why do 
tall Clems have to use a seatpost in a size Rivendell doesn't even sell? Do 
the Roadeo and Homer use 27.2 so people can use more conventional 
with-the-times parts on it and if so, why not others too?

I've always been baffled by this so if anyone with inside knowledge can 
explain this to me I'd love to hear why.

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTT: 60 Rambouillet for MUSA Homer Hilsen

[Matt D]

Oh, I believe I misread some specs on the A.H.H. as being from the Ram, I 
think. Ah well.

On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 9:23:12 AM UTC-6, John W wrote:
>
> Hi Matt, thanks for offer but that would be too big for me. In any event, 
> the bike is now sold. 
>
> FYI, the Ram won’t handle 35mm with fenders. It’s a great bike but it’s in 
> fact one of the reasons that I sold it, for want of more tire clearance. 
>
>
>
> On Nov 5, 2019, at 10:11 AM, Matt D <99m...@gmail.com > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Jay, you think you'd be up to trade the frame for a near-new 61 Roadini 
> frame? Maybe a long shot (literally - I'm in Louisiana) but I'm looking for 
> just slightly shorter chainstays and the ability to run 35s with fenders. 
> They're similar enough in spec that all the parts but the seatpost will be 
> cross-compatible.
>
> On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 11:56:41 PM UTC-6, Jay Lonner wrote:
>>
>> If you're jonesing for a Rambouillet, I have an original orange, 
>> fancy-lugged 62 that I just don't ride much anymore. It's in really good 
>> condition. I would love for it to find a good home and am willing to make a 
>> deal.
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 9:49 PM Josh B  wrote:
>>
>>> Wish I had a trade that you would be interested in, would be happy to be 
>>> generous if you were open to selling the Rambouillet.
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 21, 2019 at 2:38:26 PM UTC-4, John W wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Long shot but anyone with a 59 MUSA Homer Hilsen interested in talking 
>>>> about a trade deal for a 60 blue Rambouillet? Love the frame but wanting 
>>>> more tire clearance. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTT: 60 Rambouillet for MUSA Homer Hilsen

[Matt D]

Jay, you think you'd be up to trade the frame for a near-new 61 Roadini 
frame? Maybe a long shot (literally - I'm in Louisiana) but I'm looking for 
just slightly shorter chainstays and the ability to run 35s with fenders. 
They're similar enough in spec that all the parts but the seatpost will be 
cross-compatible.

On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 11:56:41 PM UTC-6, Jay Lonner wrote:
>
> If you're jonesing for a Rambouillet, I have an original orange, 
> fancy-lugged 62 that I just don't ride much anymore. It's in really good 
> condition. I would love for it to find a good home and am willing to make a 
> deal.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 9:49 PM Josh B > 
> wrote:
>
>> Wish I had a trade that you would be interested in, would be happy to be 
>> generous if you were open to selling the Rambouillet.
>>
>> On Monday, October 21, 2019 at 2:38:26 PM UTC-4, John W wrote:
>>>
>>> Long shot but anyone with a 59 MUSA Homer Hilsen interested in talking 
>>> about a trade deal for a 60 blue Rambouillet? Love the frame but wanting 
>>> more tire clearance. 
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[RBW] Re: Roadini Clearance

[Matt D]

Remember that Roadinis have wonderfully comfortable, flexible forks that 
make them pretty exceptional gravel bikes for what they are... but that 
also means that you may want to stick closer to the advertised clearance 
(28 with/35 without fenders, remember) if you're heavy enough to really put 
that fork flex to use. I'd be a little nervous running 38s on my Roadini, 
personally, but I don't know how much all that movement I see at the fork 
tips translates to movement at the fork crown.

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[RBW] Spindle length for TA Cyclotouriste on Roadini?

[Matt D]

Just grabbed a TA Cyclotouriste for my Roadini without overthinking it as I 
usually do, price was right and it already had 46/30 rings. Need to order a 
BB now, is anyone else running the same or similar setup? I'm fairly sure 
118mm is the right spindle length, that's what VO recommends for their 
46/30 Cyclotouriste clone and this 11 year old RBWOB thread about the Saluki 

 
recommends the same but Sheldon claims it's 115 
and that's enough to give me 
pause. What do you think - 118 or 115?

Oh, and would anyone be interested in the BSA threaded TA bottom bracket it 
comes with? It's probably the right length but I suppose I just don't keep 
it real enough to deal with repacking and adjusting, especially given the 
proportion of gravel to road I ride. Haven't got my hands on it yet but 
here's a pic from the eBay listing. 


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[RBW] Re: Creaking + Nitto Noodle stem compatibility

[Matt D]

Hudson - now that you say it I looked it up and it turns out that can be an 
issue. I'll try it and report back.

Joe - You absolutely sure? Sorry I forgot to mention this is a 61cm 
roadini, head tube is 260.8mm on the page + 50mm of headset + spacers + 
stem is 30mm above the lowest you can adjust it. Technomics have a 225mm 
quill so the butting would need to begin 115cm above the fork crown for 
that to be an issue. The wiggle is barely perceptible anyway, if I had to 
guess I'd say it's 0.2mm at most.

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[RBW] Creaking + Nitto Noodle stem compatibility

[Matt D]

Hi all,

I'm having some issues with creaking from the cockpit area of my Roadini under 
side-to-side force. I'm using a Technomic at the moment adjusted very low, 3cm 
or so above minimum, and I think the play caused by the friction point being so 
low is causing it - there's a very little bit of visible motion between the 
stem and steerer tube when I wobble it.

Two questions:

1. Have any of you experienced this creaking issue with tall quill stems 
adjusted low? I think that may be the issue but I'm not 100% sure. RBWOB is the 
place to ask about tall quill stems anyway...

2. What shorter stems is the Noodle compatible with? Obviously Technomic but I 
tried to thread another 40cm (this creaky one is 44cm) into a Nitto Dynamic 
stem with a wider clamp and found the curves are too tight to fit in it. Is the 
clamp of the Technomic the same as that on the Pearl/NP? Is anyone else running 
Noodles successfully on other stems shorter than a Technomic?

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[RBW] Charlie H Gallop!

[Matt D]

Really hope it's a less-lugged canti-Sam personally. I'd put a deposit down for 
one tomorrow if they told me it fit 35s with fenders and came in 62cm and 
orange.

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[RBW] Wild speculation on Hodges B. Gallop

[Matt D]

>From the most recent Blahg:
*"Hodges B. Gallop didn't get back to me about the bike name thing, and 
I've since discovered that he died in 2017. This HBG thing is about a name 
for a new bike that'll happen in about a year."*

So what do you think it'll be - or, more accurately, what do you selfishly 
hope it'll be? I'm both hoping and tentatively suspecting that it'll be a 
sort of Roadini Plus, a sort of successor to the Legolas and Hillborne at 
the $900-1000 less-lugged pricepoint. My one complaint with this Roadini is 
that I feel like the gravel doubletrack (the Baton Rouge-New Orleans 
section of the Mississippi River Trail) I like to ride is on the outer edge 
of its intended use case. No durability concerns but a little more 
clearance for a fender with 32s wouldn't hurt. Something that's perceived 
as a nicer alternative to the Surly Crosscheck would do great things for 
the company too, I think. I know a lot of people who love the idea of 
Rivendell but they just don't have $1500 to drop on an AHH to get road-like 
geometry and country-bike clearance at the same time.

Your thoughts?

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[RBW] Re: Newbaum's now offers wider, more padded tape

[Matt D]

Seems pretty similar to Velo Orange's thicker tape, which I've had in the 
past and found a little too absorbent of sweat to look pleasant for long.

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[RBW] FS - 62cm Breadwinner Continental Complete Bike

[Matt D]

Yeah, I think this would fit better in the iBOB group. Breadwinner is 
kinda-sorta Rivendell-adjacent and that's the group for that sort of thing.

Outgrowing a 62? That's impressive stuff. Congratulate your son on his 
pituitary gland for me, please.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

[Matt D]

Quick word on how cool it is to have this community - mention a facebook 
post from someone who fendered a 33mm Roadeo and then get advice from the 
guy himself. You don't get this sort of thing with Trek or Specialized (of 
course) or even other smaller frame manufacturers. Thanks, guys!

Yes, so it does seem like it's a sketchy fit but Longboards are the best 
bet (excluding futzing with metal hardware) because of something or other 
about how they're mounted. Ours is not to question why, I suppose. Are 
there by any chance any less-than-full-coverage fenders that won't look too 
cheap and nasty to leave on? Ass Savers and things like that seem like a 
decent solution but I think they might end up being either too cheaply made 
or techno-futuristic to be appropriate for regular use.

Hey Patrick - Христос воскресе!

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[RBW] Roadini fendering at 32mm?

[Matt D]

My 61 Roadini is set up with 17mm Alexrims G6000 rims, Panaracer Gravelking 
32c tires (which run true to size), and Tektro R539 brakes. I'm headed to 
merrie olde England in June with bicycle in tow and I'd like to prepare for 
the rain that seems to go along with the island but I'm not sure I can fit 
them.

My research has only turned up this - Paul Gong on a RBWOB facebook group 
says:
*"I have a Roadeo which has the same designed-in clearances. I can just fit 
Jack Browns and SKS P45 Longboards with careful installation. This was a 
combo that Rivendell often featured on their website and Instagram. I'm 
pretty certain metal fenders like VO and Honjo wouldn't fit with Jack 
Browns. Their design and hardware require more clearance than Longboards."*

Jack Browns, of course, being 33.3mm. That makes me suspect that 
Rivendell's limit of 28 with fenders might be a little conservative. I 
don't intend to ride many loose surfaces or gravel so I'm not all too 
worried about things getting caught under it. Is anyone else running 
fenders above 28mm on their Roadini or Roadeo and if so, what do you 
suggest I use?

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[RBW] Re: 0mm offset Nitto Quill Stem

[Matt D]

VO and Factory Five make some decent faceplate quills, but both are flawed: 
VO's has those ugly above-bar bolts on it and a 90-degree bend that results 
in some rise, and the F5 Titan's height is 60mm less than the Technomic and 
only comes in 90mm extension and for 31.8mm handlebars. I believe Factory 
Five's design made taller, less fist-shaped, and in a wider range of 
extensions and bar sizes would be the perfect stem.

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[RBW] Re: Roadini handlebar ideas

[Matt D]

I've heard some good things about Velo Orange's crazy bars, offers both 
upright swept and forward bullhorn-like positions. Unfortunately they're 
impossible to thread through a quill stem, so you'll need to run a 
threadless stem adapter or find a quill stem with a removable faceplate. VO 
also happens to sell the only removable faceplate quill stem that's as tall 
as a Technomic, funny how things go like that...

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 61cm Roadini frameset

[Matt D]

How much are you asking for it? Might have some friends interested. To be 
perfectly honest if I had known someone in the state had a full one for sale in 
Grant's more modern geometry I'd have probably gone for that over building a 
new Roadini from the frame up. Not that I regret it, of course.

If you ever have any parts for sale let me know - I trust the taste of 
Rivendell owners implicitly.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my 61 Roadini set up!

[Matt D]

A 118mm bottom bracket instead of 119? Ah, I could never, the chainline has 
to be perfect for when I'm climbing in the 52x11 - do you know what happens 
when a chain snaps under that kind of power? But seriously though, 118mm 
should work fine.

I'm not entirely wed to the noodles but they are quite comfortable as they 
stand. I like being able to slide back and forth on the ramps and hoods to 
adjust my uprightness. They had two Noodles (44 and 42, these are 44) as 
well as those TRP levers at the co-op for awfully cheap, I've been quite 
lucky in parts there for everything but quill stems. If I readjust and I'm 
still whacking my forearms into the tops when I'm in the front of the drops 
I could probably work with some flared drops or something like Soma's 
Highway 1 or Brevet Randonneur bars.

Can anyone point me to a Nitto stem dealer with a generous return policy? 
Hate to use Amazon but that could be the answer to finding the right one, 
make a massive order of every size of Nitto stem they have and return all 
the ones that don't work. It would be neat if there were a Zappos or Amazon 
Closet-like service for dialing in the fit on a new bike, order a box of 
stems and bars and just keep the ones that work.

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 61cm Roadini frameset

[Matt D]

Hey, I was just talking to someone about how many Rivendells we think there 
are in Louisiana. He said he'd seen a Ram in NOLA - yours is green, right? 
If so that makes at least you, Robert Bailey, and me. 

Well, it seems like I'm the only one in the state holding on to my tall 
Rivendell - Robert is also selling his 61cm 1997 LongLow, asking about 
$2000 for the whole thing. I considered buying it but it definitely fits 
smaller than a modern up-sloping-top-tube Rivendell, the Roadini fits me 
perfectly but the LL's level top tube is a lot shorter and the standover 
height is smaller, fits more like a 57-58 in my opinion. It's a very 
well-appointed bike. Here's a post on the group from two years ago about it, 

 
I test-rode it about two months ago and as far as I know he still hasn't 
sold it.

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[RBW] railbiking video

[Matt D]

Al, the rolling resistance has got to be very low if you use smooth tires or 
metal rims. I think all you would really need is a hard rubber lip on the 
inside of a wider fatbike-width rim to really do it right. There's no uphills 
or downhills because the maximum grade a train can handle is 3% and no sharp 
turns because trains don't like those either. Maybe a little boring but you 
could go quite fast and see things no other cyclists can see. I'd imagine it's 
a wonderful, relaxing experience. 

It'd be nice to see a modern purpose built railbike with wider clearances and 
custom rims at the same gauge as the rails and an outrigger made collapsible 
and portable with S couplings. Maybe even one of those wheel carriers like 
British cyclists used to carry a set of lightweight racing wheels and tires to 
the track back in the old days, that way you could use it to get to and from 
the railway too.

Hey, anyone want to put down a deposit on a Railroad Bubbe? Maybe base it on 
the Clem Smith, hobos did ride the rails after all...

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[RBW] Re: New BLAHG

[Matt D]

Not sure how I feel about the instrument decals, seems too twee by half in 
their current form. Maybe I'd like them more if they were more understated 
or placed somewhere like the underside of the seatstays where they're still 
visible but less obvious. Then again, GBW is meant to be the antithesis of 
ultra-serious mountain biking culture, so maybe it's a good thing.

That's a funky custom for sure. Wonder what the customer's specifications 
were? The chopped lugs look pretty great, possibly even greater considering 
the instability of the lug manufacturers. Maybe in a post-Long Shen world 
Riv can keep the aesthetic of lugs alive to some degree with pseudo-lugs 
like that made of cut tubing, like those on the Llewellyn Colossus - look 
it up, neat bike. If being forced into welding the seat tube joint on the 
low end means that they save enough money to pay for something more ornate 
than the napkin rings up front I'm for it.

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