Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look

2013-06-18 Thread Matthew Joly
Arguing comfort or lack thereof of something one has never used is not 
disingenuous?  

Your argument is the lack of leather should lower the market value of the 
product.  My response is to show there is in fact a significant market that 
values the lack of leather.

Zappos, to name one large company, allows people to search its site for Vegan 
shoes.  There are vegan restaurants throughout the world.  Vegan is a 
mainstream commercially acceptable market.  Vegan may have been political 10 
years ago.  In 2013 it is not.


Matthew J
Chicago, IL

On Jun 18, 2013, at 10:35, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 There are a growing number of prosperous vegans in the UK, US, EU, and of 
 course India, who like nice things without dead animals in them. The majority 
 is not yet enlightened, but we are growing and we are very willing to spend 
 our money on products that don't need to kill an animal to make.
  
 This was your response to me, which was the second time in this thread you 
 had played this card. It is quite political, and saying it's not political 
 is disingenuous. We are discussing the comfort/looks/price/marketability of 
 the Brooks Cambium. The politics is not necessary.
 
 On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:07:23 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
 Apparently you have not been following the earlier discussions on the 
 Cambium.
  
 Yes, mainstream saddles are frequently plastic.  I and others interested in 
 leather free alternatives to quality Brooks and Berthoud saddles have said 
 and this and other bicycle forums that the plastic saddles all tend to be 
 both be horribly uncomfortable and have a short life span.
  
 The Brooks Cambium - which is not plastic, by the way - gives hope there may 
 be an alternative.  I know many cyclists who avoid animal products 
 (politically neutral enough for you?) that are looking forward to finally 
 having a quality, leather free saddle that can provide lasting comfortable 
 rides. 
  
 Maybe the Cambium will not be that product.  Maybe it will.  I expect that 
 Brooks hopes that it is.  Global response to the Cambium appears to be quite 
 good.  Certainly getting a lot of press on line.  A niche has in fact been 
 touched. 
  

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Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look

2013-06-18 Thread Matthew Joly
Exactly what proof would you need.  To watch me and hundreds of other hammock 
saddle fans squirm while riding plastic saddles.

I've tried dozens of models over the years.  For a while I thought the Fizik 
Ronin [sp?] was going to be the one.  The padding wore down in less than a 
month.  Surface had visible abrasion marks.

My weight fluctuates around 160-165.  I don't think I am necessarily hard on 
saddles.

Bottom line most people pay big bucks for Brooks and Berthouds not for bling 
but because their bodies do not take to molded plastic saddles.  I don't think 
this is a controversial statement at all.

Matthew Joly
Chicago, IL

On Jun 18, 2013, at 17:02, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 ??? 25K miles at least? Hardly short. Uncomfortable? Proof? Again 25 k miles 
 over the years? My first Flite from circa 1990 that has been on half a dozen 
 bikes with 7 k on the last one? Not to mention all the other Flites I've put 
 thousands of miles on? And this is just one particular model of plastic 
 saddle?
 
 Don't make unsupported universal assertions.
 
 On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote:
 I and others interested in leather free alternatives to quality Brooks and 
 Berthoud saddles have said and this and other bicycle forums that the 
 plastic saddles all tend to be both be horribly uncomfortable and have a 
 short life span.
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 http://resumespecialties.com/index.html
 patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com
 
 Albuquerque, NM

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