Arguing comfort or lack thereof of something one has never used is not 
disingenuous?  

Your argument is the lack of leather should lower the market value of the 
product.  My response is to show there is in fact a significant market that 
values the lack of leather.

Zappos, to name one large company, allows people to search its site for Vegan 
shoes.  There are vegan restaurants throughout the world.  Vegan is a 
mainstream commercially acceptable market.  Vegan may have been political 10 
years ago.  In 2013 it is not.


Matthew J
Chicago, IL

On Jun 18, 2013, at 10:35, Joe Bernard <joerem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There are a growing number of prosperous vegans in the UK, US, EU, and of 
> course India, who like nice things without dead animals in them. The majority 
> is not yet enlightened, but we are growing and we are very willing to spend 
> our money on products that don't need to kill an animal to make.
>  
> This was your response to me, which was the second time in this thread you 
> had played this card. It is quite political, and saying "it's not political" 
> is disingenuous. We are discussing the comfort/looks/price/marketability of 
> the Brooks Cambium. The politics is not necessary.
> 
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:07:23 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
>> Apparently you have not been following the earlier discussions on the 
>> Cambium.
>>  
>> Yes, mainstream saddles are frequently plastic.  I and others interested in 
>> leather free alternatives to quality Brooks and Berthoud saddles have said 
>> and this and other bicycle forums that the plastic saddles all tend to be 
>> both be horribly uncomfortable and have a short life span.
>>  
>> The Brooks Cambium - which is not plastic, by the way - gives hope there may 
>> be an alternative.  I know many cyclists who avoid animal products 
>> (politically neutral enough for you?) that are looking forward to finally 
>> having a quality, leather free saddle that can provide lasting comfortable 
>> rides. 
>>  
>> Maybe the Cambium will not be that product.  Maybe it will.  I expect that 
>> Brooks hopes that it is.  Global response to the Cambium appears to be quite 
>> good.  Certainly getting a lot of press on line.  A niche has in fact been 
>> touched. 
>>  

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