[RBW] Re: My new Wired Magazine article about fat, supple tires

[Matthew Rebmann]

I can't say that I have noticed a slower take-off with bigger tires. I have 
48's on both my Midnight Special and my Polyvalent and I feel quite snappy 
from a dead stop.

On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 10:09:13 AM UTC-4 josh.yo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Joe-
>
> Hello from Seattle and thanks for sharing the article! I’m glad you 
> mentioned the usually unmentioned downside of wider, heavier tires…slower 
> acceleration. Something to keep in mind when selecting a tire size for a 
> particular route or group riding style.
>
> Josh
> Seattle, WA
>
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 8:19:12 PM UTC-7 Tom M wrote:
>
>> Great article; lots of good info. Really liked idea that the best bike is 
>> the one you love.
>> Tom in Alexandria, VA
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 7:42:21 PM UTC-4 Joe Ray wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Gang,
>>>
>>> Along with being a Homer owner, my day job is as a journalist for Wired 
>>> magazine. My regular beat is kitchen equipment, but this past weekend I had 
>>> a story out about the glories of riding on fat, supple tires:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.wired.com/story/fat-bike-tires-are-better-than-skinny-bike-tires/
>>>
>>> In it, I interview Russ Roca of the A Path Less Pedaled Youtube channel 
>>> (and Sam Hillborne owner), Jan Heine of Bicycle Quarterly/Rene Herse, and 
>>> ace bike mechanic Steve Gadingan at Seattle's Bike Works. Of course, 
>>> Rivendell shows up in there, too.
>>>
>>> Turns out it was the most popular story on Wired for the holiday 
>>> weekend--we might be on to something! ;)
>>>
>>> I invite you to read it and would love to hear your thoughts.
>>>
>>> Cheers and happy riding!
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Matthew Rebmann]

***Reposting with a correction***
A few things to keep in mind:

-Riding in an upright position will recruit different muscles in your legs 
and butt, you may feel it to be a bit harder to ride fast in this position. 
You will also catch more wind which can slow you down a bit. 
-You should keep in mind the steering axis. If your stem is too short, you 
can create overly "whippy" steering. Making sure your stem is long enough 
will resolve that issue. 
-You'll also likely want a wider saddle.

I have a "drop bar" Surly Midnight Special. It's a great bike but I'm not 
currently in love with the position even though my handlebars are mounted 
higher than my seat. I find that my "golfers elbow" is aggravated by the 
hand position and  I rarely use the drops. I'm also not a racer, I don't 
enjoy super aggressive position in which is why I have my bars mounted 
higher than my saddle. I acquired a Long Haul Trucker that is a small for 
me if I built it with drop bars (albatross bars,) but it's absolutely 
perfect as a swept back build. I'm in a fully upright position on it and I 
use it as my sometimes work-commuter, bop around town bike. I feel I have 
the best viewing angle for checking my surroundings on this bike. I 
recently completed a build of a Velo Orange Polyvalent with their Wave 
bars. I'd say it's right in the middle of a fully upright and neutral drop 
bar position (not dissimilar to my angle on the Midnight Special.) It's 
currently my absolute favorite ride. 

If you have a bike you don't mind spending money to convert, I highly 
recommend it. As Igor from Velo Orange says "change your bars, change your 
life." He highly advocates for switching things up. If you have the dough 
to spend on a new bike built this way, I think the Platypus or the Clem-L 
are calling your name somewhere in the distance...

Midnight Special photo is a little outdated. I no longer have racks on it, 
just a saddle bag support. Considering putting flat bars on it.


Long haul
Polyvalent

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 2:00:33 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:

> Fellow older person here. I have avoided owning a “fast bike” for years 
> due to drops killin’ me, but I recently acquired this sporty XO-1 and the 
> Albatross bar is perfect for it! I might not actually be fast but I *feel* 
> fast now (compared to my racked and fat-tired Atlantis) so that’s really 
> what matters. Albatross is the GOAT. 
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 09:50, Wesley  wrote:
>
> Hi Jay,
>
> I'll second what's been said here and by Rivendell: the Albatross is the 
> swept-back bar that is least radical / closest to a drop bar.
>
> I first put an Albatross bar on a bike of mine in 2007 and have kept them 
> on at least one bike ever since. Unlike the other swept-back bars that Riv 
> sells, they have a great hand position that is slightly forward of the stem 
> clamp (demonstrated here): 
>
> 
>
>
> It's comfy for long hours on the bike. Like you, I find flat bars 
> uncomfortable (they pain my wrists). With Albatross bars, my wrist position 
> feels neutral and natural, a lot like on the lever tops on drop bars. The 
> Albatross bar is on my everyday bike, with the drop bar road bike being 
> used only when I want a lighter bike.
> -Wes 
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 6:28:41 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:
>
>> I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it 
>> wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos 
>> of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more 
>> comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive) 
>> position on the bike (i.e., bars close to level with saddle)?  Would this 
>> be a good option for just cruising around, but for 1-2 hours?  If I didn't 
>> get along well with flat bars on mountain bike, would swept back bars be 
>> better?
>>
>> I'm going to ramble a bit here, my apologies in advance.  I haven't 
>> thought long enough about this to formulate my question succinctly. 
>>  Hopefully you get where I'm coming from.
>>
>> *Quick background*
>> - been riding a little over 20 years (closing in on 50!)
>> - started with mountain biking (hardtail, singletrack); moved to road; 
>> tried mountain biking two more times (I love being in nature) but didn't 
>> like the thrill/danger, and hated the idea of driving to the trail head; 
>> have been mainly on the road for last 15 years, though with 10 years of 
>> 'gravel' bikes/riding
>> - I've had ongoing issues with my cervical spine (nothing serious) and 
>> this leads to some problems when riding in any sort of aggressive position 
>> on the bike; I see a chiro regularly; stretch a lot; workout / strength 
>> training; have had numerous bike fits
>> - I have a Roadini, Salsa Fargo and a road bike (25mm tires, but custom 
>> made and really does fit like a glove, for road)
>> - I don't care about performance at all, I just love riding bikes, in 
>> particular when roads are not busy, or on trail

Re: [RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Matthew Rebmann]

A few things to keep in mind:

-Riding in an upright position will recruit different muscles in your legs 
and butt, you may feel it to be a bit harder to ride fast in this position. 
You will also catch more wind which can slow you down a bit. 
-You should keep in mind the steering axis. If your stem is too short, you 
can create overly "whippy" steering. Making sure your stem is long enough 
will resolve that issue. 
-You'll also likely want a wider saddle.

I have a "drop bar" Surly Midnight Special. It's a great bike but I'm not 
currently in love with the position even though my handlebars are mounted 
higher than my seat. I find that my "golfers elbow" is aggravated by the 
hand position and  I rarely use the drops. I'm also not a racer, I don't 
enjoy super aggressive position in which is why I have my bars mounted 
higher than my saddle. I acquired a Long Haul Trucker that is a small for 
me if I built it with drop bars (albatross bars,) but it's absolutely 
perfect as a swept back build. I'm in a fully upright position on it and I 
use it as my sometimes work-commuter, bop around town bike. I feel I have 
the best viewing angle for checking my surroundings on this bike. I 
recently completed a build of a Velo Orange Polyvalent with their Wave 
bars. I'd say it's right in the middle of a fully upright and neutral drop 
bar position (not dissimilar to my angle on the Midnight Special.) It's 
currently my absolute favorite ride. 

If you have a bike you don't mind spending money to convert, I highly 
recommend it. As Igor from Velo Orange says "change your bars, change your 
life." He highly advocates for switching things up. If you have the dough 
to spend on a new bike built this way, I think the Platypus or the Clem-L 
are calling your name somewhere in the distance...

Midnight Special photo is a little outdated. I no longer have racks on it, 
just a saddle bag support. Considering putting flat bars on it.

Long haul
Polyvalent

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 12:04:10 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> If you don't have a cruiser-y / townie type bike for more laid back or 
> utilitarian rides, and you have the space and ability to have another bike 
> then I'd definitely recommend an additional bike for this. Though if you 
> have a couple of aggressive drop bar bikes it's certainly possible to 
> convert one for this use.
>
> Albatross and Billie bars are versatile because they can be setup to offer 
> a range of back angle positions depending on where you place your hands. 
>  I've found that using a stem 30-40mm longer than my drop bar stem puts the 
> grips of the Albatross bar in a more upright position than the tops of the 
> drop bar, and moving my hands up to the bends feels like riding on the 
> hoods. You can get even lower by moving into the hooks of the Albatross bar 
> and bending your elbows. 
>
> Tosco bars (which I have on my Platypus) can do similar things but are 
> just a bit less roadish.
>
> On most sweptback bars my primary cruising position is usually between the 
> grips and the bends with the heel of the my hand resting on the grips, the 
> palm of my hand over the brake lever clamp (a low profile clamp is good 
> here), and a couple of fingers resting on/forward of the brake lever body.
>
> You asked if sweptback bars might be good for riding 1-2 hours. They 
> certainly are, but with the range of positions they offer they are also 
> good for rides even longer than that!
>
> -Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 9:58:54 AM UTC-4 Jay wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the responses!  Keep’em coming
>>
>> Tim had some good questions, I’ve tried to answer these below:
>>
>> “…off the bike?”
>> - I have a desk job but I use a sit / stand desk.  Years ago when I got 
>> this, it was a revelation, and really helped a much worse than now, neck; 
>> however, I notice my legs get tired when I’m standing, and again, if I go 
>> for a ride after work, and I’ve been sitting/standing 50-50, my tired legs, 
>> I believe contribute to feeling sluggish on the bike, and perhaps a poor 
>> posture as I have limited power
>> - I walk a lot, stretch, and practice good posture off the bike
>>
>>
>> I thought I would add that I visit my chiropractor for an adjustment 
>> every three weeks. The days shortly after, I am more comfortable on the 
>> bike.  For example, two days after my last adjustment I did a road ride 
>> with my friend, 85km with wind and even snow, I felt great. A few days ago 
>> I did a 60km ride with my friend on a perfect day with very little wind, 
>> and was really sore.  I have a chiro appointment tonight.  As I get close 
>> to the end of that three weeks, I can feel more pain and thus attribute 
>> what’s happening to the spine in the three weeks in between adjustments. 
>>  This is the closest I have to a good diagnosis!
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> On May 9, 2024, at 7:50 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> There is a lot to unpack here but I think I get the basic gist of what 
>> you are

Re: [RBW] Experience with North Street Bags backpack panniers?

[Matthew Rebmann]

PS - I'm happy to provide some photos later if you'd like a reference on 
them.

On Wednesday, February 28, 2024 at 9:11:25 AM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:

> I have a couple of their panniers as well as a trunk bag and a hip pack 
> from them. I daily wear the hip pack and it's pretty worse for wear after 
> one year but I beat the ever living crap out of it (it's their ecopak 
> material.) I've had two of the Route Panniers 24L bags for probably 2-3 
> years now for commuting to work and they've been great, made of cordura. I 
> can't attest to their durability on a grueling tour but I really like them 
> and haven't had any excessive wear or leaks. Their customer service is also 
> fantastic and very responsive. 
>
> On another note: Last year they sent out a 3rd party survey and I decided 
> to fill it out on a whim. At the end of it, it asked if I had anything else 
> I'd like to mention. I told them I was in the market for a nice trunk bag 
> with a roll top closure and to my surprise, I got a return email direct 
> from them (less than two days later) letting me know they had some old 
> stock I could buy or I could order a custom bag from them. I went with the 
> custom and the turn around was VERY fast. 
>
> Are they the best bags out there? I can't say. Are they good quality? 
> Absolutely and they seem to be some great folks in my experience.
>
> On Wednesday, February 28, 2024 at 12:07:25 AM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> I used the Arkel Bug backpack pannier for years and I really liked it. I 
>> would use it an a pannier on my morning commute and then use it as a 
>> backpack for riding the trails on my way home.
>>
>> It worked great as a pannier which is a given since the Arkel mounting 
>> system is really well done. It also was very comfortable as a backpack. 
>> Mine did not have a sternum strap but that proved to not be an issue.
>>
>> I used it pretty roughly and it is still as good as new. It looks to be 
>> 25L which may be too small for what you need.
>>
>> [image: bike-convertible-pannier-bug-arkel-grey.jpg]
>>
>> Bug - Pannier Backpack <https://arkel.ca/products/bug-pannier-backpack>
>> arkel.ca <https://arkel.ca/products/bug-pannier-backpack>
>> <https://arkel.ca/products/bug-pannier-backpack>
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2024, at 4:14 PM, Robert Blunt  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Greetings everyone,
>> I am going to cycle the Zuiderzee bicycle route in the Netherlands in 
>> April (400km) and am trying to figure out the best way to go straight from 
>> the airport to the bike rental place without dragging a suitcase and all 
>> the hassle entailed with that. I am definitely packing in a minimalist 
>> fashion and am interested in the various offerings of backpack panniers. It 
>> will be a three week trip and the 32 liter North St. Bags Woodward 
>> backpack pannier seems like one of the better options out there for having 
>> a carry-on that can transition straight from the airport to a bicycle rear 
>> rack. Does anyone have any experience with this bag or similar products? 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Robert Blunt 
>> Pennington, NJ
>>
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Re: [RBW] Experience with North Street Bags backpack panniers?

[Matthew Rebmann]

I have a couple of their panniers as well as a trunk bag and a hip pack 
from them. I daily wear the hip pack and it's pretty worse for wear after 
one year but I beat the ever living crap out of it (it's their ecopak 
material.) I've had two of the Route Panniers 24L bags for probably 2-3 
years now for commuting to work and they've been great, made of cordura. I 
can't attest to their durability on a grueling tour but I really like them 
and haven't had any excessive wear or leaks. Their customer service is also 
fantastic and very responsive. 

On another note: Last year they sent out a 3rd party survey and I decided 
to fill it out on a whim. At the end of it, it asked if I had anything else 
I'd like to mention. I told them I was in the market for a nice trunk bag 
with a roll top closure and to my surprise, I got a return email direct 
from them (less than two days later) letting me know they had some old 
stock I could buy or I could order a custom bag from them. I went with the 
custom and the turn around was VERY fast. 

Are they the best bags out there? I can't say. Are they good quality? 
Absolutely and they seem to be some great folks in my experience.

On Wednesday, February 28, 2024 at 12:07:25 AM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I used the Arkel Bug backpack pannier for years and I really liked it. I 
> would use it an a pannier on my morning commute and then use it as a 
> backpack for riding the trails on my way home.
>
> It worked great as a pannier which is a given since the Arkel mounting 
> system is really well done. It also was very comfortable as a backpack. 
> Mine did not have a sternum strap but that proved to not be an issue.
>
> I used it pretty roughly and it is still as good as new. It looks to be 
> 25L which may be too small for what you need.
>
> [image: bike-convertible-pannier-bug-arkel-grey.jpg]
>
> Bug - Pannier Backpack 
> arkel.ca 
> 
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 27, 2024, at 4:14 PM, Robert Blunt  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Greetings everyone,
> I am going to cycle the Zuiderzee bicycle route in the Netherlands in 
> April (400km) and am trying to figure out the best way to go straight from 
> the airport to the bike rental place without dragging a suitcase and all 
> the hassle entailed with that. I am definitely packing in a minimalist 
> fashion and am interested in the various offerings of backpack panniers. It 
> will be a three week trip and the 32 liter North St. Bags Woodward 
> backpack pannier seems like one of the better options out there for having 
> a carry-on that can transition straight from the airport to a bicycle rear 
> rack. Does anyone have any experience with this bag or similar products? 
> Thanks in advance.
> Robert Blunt 
> Pennington, NJ
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Campeur Front Rack

[Matthew Rebmann]

Nitto's stuff is top notch but it's not *quite* what I'm looking for. That 
all being said, if I just can't find what I'm looking for then I'll likely 
end up buying the Nitto rack. I'm just stubborn and figure I might get 
lucky if I'm persistent lol. 

I particularly like the integrated decaleur the VO Campeur rack has, along 
with the mirror finish (rather than Nitto's satin nickel) and it'll match 
nicely either VO's Campeur rear rack which I intend on buying soon. I'm 
honestly pretty surprised they discontinued it. 

On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 5:04:48 PM UTC-5 DTL wrote:

> That one on Alex Cycles even has the detachable low riders, good find!
>
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 8:54:12 AM UTC+11 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>
>> They were out of stock for a very long time, but if you want to pay full 
>> retail... 
>>
>> https://alexscycle.com/products/nitto-front-camping-carrier-for-randonneur-1
>>
>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 11:30:40 AM UTC-8 matthew...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I lied: Still trying lol. My build is nearly complete and this rack 
>>> would be the cherry on top
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 4:20:19 PM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:
>>>
>>>> One last try- including a picture for clarity~
>>>>
>>>> Looking for the discontinued Velo Orange Campeur Front Rack, *not the 
>>>> Nitto Campee Front Rack* which has a different finish and lacks the 
>>>> integrated decaleur.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Velo Orange Campeur Front Rack - Special Order only - 
>>>> BMTBonline.com]
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 11:44:49 AM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> (Bump) Still on the look out for the Campeur Front Rack
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 11:28:03 AM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm working on a Velo Orange Polyvalent Touring build and the 
>>>>>> discontinued front rack is exactly what I'm looking for. I'd go the 
>>>>>> Nitto 
>>>>>> Campee but I'm aiming for a matching set and I prefer the aesthetics of 
>>>>>> VO's racks for this build (Nitto also carries a hefty price, even though 
>>>>>> it's worth it!). Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Campeur Front Rack

[Matthew Rebmann]

I lied: Still trying lol. My build is nearly complete and this rack would 
be the cherry on top

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 4:20:19 PM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:

> One last try- including a picture for clarity~
>
> Looking for the discontinued Velo Orange Campeur Front Rack, *not the 
> Nitto Campee Front Rack* which has a different finish and lacks the 
> integrated decaleur.
>
>
> [image: Velo Orange Campeur Front Rack - Special Order only - 
> BMTBonline.com]
>
> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 11:44:49 AM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:
>
>> (Bump) Still on the look out for the Campeur Front Rack
>>
>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 11:28:03 AM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:
>>
>>> I'm working on a Velo Orange Polyvalent Touring build and the 
>>> discontinued front rack is exactly what I'm looking for. I'd go the Nitto 
>>> Campee but I'm aiming for a matching set and I prefer the aesthetics of 
>>> VO's racks for this build (Nitto also carries a hefty price, even though 
>>> it's worth it!). Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Official Introduction of RoadeoRosa

[Matthew Rebmann]

What a stunner!

On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 1:44:02 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Toshi
>
> The strange backstory is that I was thinking of a pink bike for a LONG 
> time.  One of the saddle models that just works for me is the Fizik Arione, 
> and there's a great market for them on ebay because they come in colors 
> that don't work on many bikes, so they are cheap as hell second hand.  I 
> stumbled across one in the Rapha Cycle Club 'colorway', which is 
> pink/white/black.  I bought the saddle and commited that I would paint the 
> Roadeo to match the saddle!  Subsequently, as the frame delayed and 
> delayed, I slowly was acquiring lighter and lighter stuff for the build.  I 
> knew I could get close to 20 pounds WITH fenders, front rack, bell, pump, 
> and pedals, so I spent big bucks on the Arione 00 saddle to drop another 90 
> grams.  I still have the pink, white and black saddle, but it's on a yellow 
> bike now.  Yuck!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> P.S. there is no good shade of pink cloth handlebar tape.  Newbaums used 
> to have a nice pale pink, but no more.  Boo!
>
> On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 10:23:56 AM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> You did follow Rule 8!  It's not too late to switch to the pink and blue 
>> harlequin bar tape :).  
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Matthew Rebmann]

The color isn't my cup of tea either but I absolutely love that you went 
above and beyond for it. That's a sick build!

On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 1:44:49 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> I agree with other commenters - a very nice build and selection of 
> components (I wouldn't be able to tolerate that ass-hatchet saddle, though. 
> It would get me right where my sciatica flares up).  I'm still not entirely 
> on board with the frame/fender color, though, but to each his own.
>
> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The pre-fenders build is now complete.  It's pouring rain so there's no 
>> inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few shots on my porch 
>> of the bike looking like a complete bike.  With two water bottle cages, and 
>> a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just under 20 pounds, but I 
>> concede it will be over 20 pounds with fenders.  
>>
>> The album is updated, scroll to the end:
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a 
>>> jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
>>> details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the inaugural 
>>> ride take you?
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat 
 tongue in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated 
 Rules of activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just 
 states that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
 deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to 
 have 
 the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one 
 of 
 the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
 on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
 saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  

 I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop 
 time making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the 
 lawyer lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the 
 brake setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my 
 earlier 
 builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
 for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
 have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
 and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
 shots in it.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> SMH
>>
>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on 
>> Rule #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Campeur Front Rack

[Matthew Rebmann]

One last try- including a picture for clarity~

Looking for the discontinued Velo Orange Campeur Front Rack, *not the Nitto 
Campee Front Rack* which has a different finish and lacks the integrated 
decaleur.


[image: Velo Orange Campeur Front Rack - Special Order only - 
BMTBonline.com]

On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 11:44:49 AM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:

> (Bump) Still on the look out for the Campeur Front Rack
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 11:28:03 AM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:
>
>> I'm working on a Velo Orange Polyvalent Touring build and the 
>> discontinued front rack is exactly what I'm looking for. I'd go the Nitto 
>> Campee but I'm aiming for a matching set and I prefer the aesthetics of 
>> VO's racks for this build (Nitto also carries a hefty price, even though 
>> it's worth it!). Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
>
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Re: [RBW] B17 alternatives

[Matthew Rebmann]

The Aspin is 18mm narrower than the B17- If you're trying to be comparable 
then the Aubisque/Vars/Mente City saddles would be a lot closer in 
dimensions. Aspin is 157mm, B17 is 175mm, and the Aubisque is 180mm. I 
nearly selected selected the Aspin myself but my friend pointed out the 
measurements to me. Stacked on top of each other the Aubisque and B17 are 
barely any different. Side note: the Berthoud saddles are gorgeous and the 
leather is top notch.

On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 1:22:52 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> I encourage you to try a Berthoud Aspin. Wide like a B17, but with a 
> narrower nose/front end that leads to a sportier saddle and less thigh rub. 
> It doesn’t hurt that it’s also exceptionally beautiful. 
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Campeur Front Rack

[Matthew Rebmann]

(Bump) Still on the look out for the Campeur Front Rack

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 11:28:03 AM UTC-5 Matthew Rebmann wrote:

> I'm working on a Velo Orange Polyvalent Touring build and the discontinued 
> front rack is exactly what I'm looking for. I'd go the Nitto Campee but I'm 
> aiming for a matching set and I prefer the aesthetics of VO's racks for 
> this build (Nitto also carries a hefty price, even though it's worth it!). 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: New MKS Pretzel pedals coming out next month

[Matthew Rebmann]

I just picked up a silver set to go on my Polyvalent, they arrived 
yesterday. I think they're gorgeous and the platform is gigantic. My friend 
had the same thought, essentially a fancier version of Riv's riff on the 
monarchs.

On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 9:10:26 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> I just received two sets of these pedals from Japan (one in silver and one 
> in black). Haven't put them on a bike yet but they're essentially MKS 
> Monarch's with the Riv pedal wings 
>  built in. Some 
> minor differences but that's the gist of it. Looks like they're panda-able, 
> too, same way the Monarchs can be switched out to mix and match colors. 
> These were $50 (shipping included) from Amazon Japan but looks like the 
> price has since gone up. Blue Lug is selling them, too, for just under $50 
> but gotta pay that $$$ shipping. Anyone else tried them yet? 
>
> https://global.bluelug.com/mks-pretzel-pedal-silver-1.html 
>
> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 11:33:58 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> It kind of looks like a mash-up of my two favorite MKS pedals, the 
>> Sneaker Pedal and the Gamma/Monarch. I'm def curious about these. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:48:58 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Must be a MKS thing, pretzel, taco... what's next the nacho pedals???
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 12:35:10 AM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I’ve seen it in-person and … I’ll pass. 

 On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:50:19 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> @Bill
>
> Thank you for your information. 
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 2:36 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> "Curious as to whether or not they would accept the cage extension 
>> that currently RBW sells."
>>
>> The Pretzel pedal has the cage extension BUILT IN.  You won't need 
>> the cage extension with the Pretzel.  It's already in there.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 9:45:51 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I came across  these new MKS Pretzel pedals, while looking for 
>> something else on the MKS website. They definitely look like they a 
>> twist 
>> to them, like a pretzel.  Curious as to whether or not they would accept 
>> the cage extension that currently RBW sells.  
>>
>> https://www.mkspedal.com/?q=en/news/node/453
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
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[RBW] WTB: Campeur Front Rack

[Matthew Rebmann]

I'm working on a Velo Orange Polyvalent Touring build and the discontinued 
front rack is exactly what I'm looking for. I'd go the Nitto Campee but I'm 
aiming for a matching set and I prefer the aesthetics of VO's racks for 
this build (Nitto also carries a hefty price, even though it's worth it!). 
Any help would be greatly appreciated :)

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