Re: [RBW] Re: Hobson-Zingo tools tried and liked?

[Peter Fray]

Thanks all for your replies. From the number of responses, it seems not
many have tried them...but they seem to be worth it for a home mechanic.

@Russell - I once went to the KC store and now my mobile is riddled with
ads of these fancier tools 﫠

BTW Soma has a 30% sale going on if anyone is else looking to pick up some
of these tools or anything else from them. Thanks, Luke for the message, I
did see Soma has more/different HZ tools than Riv!

Am Sa., 16. März 2024 um 15:54 Uhr schrieb Russell Duncan :

> I bought the HZ wire rope cutters and master link pliers, both of which
> work quite well. Really can’t be beat for the price. My brother gifted me
> these Knipex rope cutters. These are hands down the best cutters and
> ergonomically superior to the HZ cutters, and they have built in crimpers
> too. Are they worth the price? Not really, but I own other Knipex tools for
> electrical work. Their tools are excellent. Their small Cobra pliers and
> pliers wrenches are amazing, and their wire strippers are a wonder when
> striping wire all day. Go to the KC Tool candy store, where their tools are
> not just eye candy, but be careful to mind your bank account.
>
> Russell Duncan
> Western Massachusetts
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 16, 2024 at 1:48:24 AM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> The HZ tools are functional and really minimal/austere/basic while being
>> well-made and well-priced. I work for the company (Merry Sales) that sells
>> whatever RBW doesn’t.
>>
>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 9:33:11 AM UTC-7 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I've got the chain quicklink pliers and the Cable Cutters and both are
>>> great.
>>>
>>> Would buy again if I needed to, and will likely replace more stuff with
>>> their tools as needed.
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 12:25:06 PM UTC-4 peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Not at all fixated on the branding, just looking for tools in general.
 I like when there is limited choice and the shop sells only what they trust
 (analog, riv..) so I wanted to get some feedback on the tools.

 On Fri, 15 Mar, 2024, 8:40 pm Bill Lindsay,  wrote:

> Most people consider the Mike Plumpatire floor pump to be a part of
> the Hobson Zingo program.  If you require explicit HZ branding on each
> item, the MP pump doesn't qualify.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/mike-plumpatire-floor-pump
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:46:17 AM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I dont see a HZ floor pump on the website though...
>>
>> On Fri, 15 Mar, 2024, 11:10 am Adam Moss,  wrote:
>>
>>> Their floor pump is awesome!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 9:12:56 PM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Looking for recommendations for any HZ tools that you have tried
 and would recommend...

 Thank you
 peter

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobson-Zingo tools tried and liked?

[Peter Fray]

Not at all fixated on the branding, just looking for tools in general. I
like when there is limited choice and the shop sells only what they trust
(analog, riv..) so I wanted to get some feedback on the tools.

On Fri, 15 Mar, 2024, 8:40 pm Bill Lindsay,  wrote:

> Most people consider the Mike Plumpatire floor pump to be a part of the
> Hobson Zingo program.  If you require explicit HZ branding on each item,
> the MP pump doesn't qualify.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/mike-plumpatire-floor-pump
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:46:17 AM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I dont see a HZ floor pump on the website though...
>>
>> On Fri, 15 Mar, 2024, 11:10 am Adam Moss,  wrote:
>>
>>> Their floor pump is awesome!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 9:12:56 PM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Looking for recommendations for any HZ tools that you have tried and
 would recommend...

 Thank you
 peter

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobson-Zingo tools tried and liked?

[Peter Fray]

I dont see a HZ floor pump on the website though...

On Fri, 15 Mar, 2024, 11:10 am Adam Moss,  wrote:

> Their floor pump is awesome!
>
> Best,
> Adam
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 9:12:56 PM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Looking for recommendations for any HZ tools that you have tried and
>> would recommend...
>>
>> Thank you
>> peter
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[RBW] Hobson-Zingo tools tried and liked?

[Peter Fray]

Looking for recommendations for any HZ tools that you have tried and would 
recommend...

Thank you
peter

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[RBW] Bosco for small bikes

[Peter Fray]

Hello everyone

The rivbike page for the Bosco handlebars mentions this -

"Here’s its best use:
- Longish top tube bikes and upright riding. Mountain bike conversions to 
supa-comfee cruisers.
- Making too-small bikes fit and feel better."

I think I understand the first use - since the handlebar reaches far back 
it would make long reach bikes easier to fit. How do you make sense of the 
second one? Wouldn't it make the small bikes feel smaller? Or perhaps the 
reference is to the handlebars rise and not reach?

Thanks for your thoughts,
Peter

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Re: [RBW] Re: Son Hub advice

[Peter Fray]

Thanks Andy. That was helpful. The argument for centerlock makes sense ...

I was just reading this gentle introduction to hubs while your message
came through..and i realized the 6bolt/centerlock only matters for the
disc.

https://sugarwheelworks.com/technical-information/hub-information-and-details/


On Tue, 18 Apr, 2023, 5:48 pm ascpgh,  wrote:

> The manner of connecting the disc to a hub matters for disc replacement.
> When mounted the caliper only cares about the diameter of the rotor. I was
> happy to choose the center mount format. On their website they call
> six-bolt "robust" and center lock "Shimano format".
>
> Having to keep up with six threaded fasteners' torque and ensure they are
> not seized in the dissimilar metal's threads versus one larger fastener
> which only has to hold the disc fixture onto straight splines which handle
> the heavy forces. I cannot imagine the recovery from a stripped bolt hole
> in a six bolt format SON hub body. Your BB/cassette lockring  tool will
> operate the fastener. Nice big, larger diameter threading you can see and
> keep lubricated/anti-seized.
>
> For my use (as originally presented) this hub, built by Peter W. on a
> Velocity Synergy rim, is on my Surly commuter. I can at will remove the
> disc and put it on my Rambouillet, used with the Racer rim brakes. To me
> that's future proofing, shedding the disc braked bike I use it on now was a
> secondary point that spawned its own thread now.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 4:54:56 AM UTC-4 peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>> Thank you very much for the advice! I'd read it all then and came back
>> today with the idea that I'll take the disc-hub. Then I read through the
>> emails again
>>
>> Anyway, I think my thought on "future-proof" was incomplete. I have never
>> tried disc brakes over a longer period so don't have any strong opinions
>> about it - except that I don't know how to fix it if I have to (yet). That
>> being said, if an opportunity comes up I would like to give it a shot. I
>> should have also mentioned that this is for a bike (hopefully) meant for
>> touring - so I'm always thinking of many birds and less stones. Perhaps
>> "multiple-scenario-proof" would be better.
>>
>> I'd decided on the disc-hub, considering I'll have my current frame not
>> worrying about taking this hub to a thru axle frame, with the pros -
>> - good v-brakes are getting hard to find - shimano still makes deore & xt
>> but until when? (can't afford the pauls)
>> - option to switch to disc when I would like to try it
>> - 26" rims are also not too common - even more for rim-brakes, this gives
>> the flexibility (disc rims could potentially also last longer considering I
>> don't have to change the rim only the disc brakes parts)
>>
>> The concerns in my head were first as Peter mentioned about the rim
>> flexing, if this more the case with disc rims - this is an unknown unknown
>> territory for me. Second, wider flange spacing would have been nicer, but I
>> see a lot of people touring with disc Son hubs and I think these should
>> hold good enough too.
>>
>> Thank you for the suggestion for the centerlock brakes! Until last week
>> I'd no idea there were multiple disc brake mounts - I read this is a
>> Shimano thing so I'm wondering if it makes more sense to go with mounts
>> that are more commonly used.
>>
>> @Laing - I would be interested in the Panasonic hubs but I couldn't find
>> much info/review on their durability for touring.
>>
>> back to riding and thinking mode,
>> Peter
>>
>> Am So., 16. Apr. 2023 um 20:52 Uhr schrieb ascpgh :
>>
>>> I have a SON QR disc hub on my commuter (love it, thanks Peter W.) and
>>> had it built so I could move it to my Rambouillet when I tire of either the
>>> bike (Disc Trucker) or no longer need a commuter.  So it has the same rim
>>> as my Ram and the disc mount is lockring instead of 6-bolt. A quarter turn
>>> with a Shimano cartridge BB/cassette lockring tool and it's gone. I
>>> unsderstand the flange stance difference between the disc and rim brake
>>> spec hubs but seems within reasonableness given that both are pretty large
>>> diameter flanges compared to non-generator hubs when considering the loss
>>> of flange width between the two. I felt like was getting two birds with one
>>> stone.
>>>
>>> Future proof? My fifteen year experiment with discs on drop bar, bar end
>>> shifter bikes lead me to spec cantilevers on my custom two years ago. I'll
>>> gladly accept the the variables I know about brakes, braking, parts,
>>> pieces, installation and adjustment over unique, sporadic mystery sounds
>>> and finickiness that are beyond control and lead to throwing new parts into
>>> the system at a rate embarrassing compared to rim brakes.
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 7:47:32 AM UTC-4 peter...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 I'm looking to get the Son dynamo hub. 

Re: [RBW] Re: Son Hub advice

[Peter Fray]

Hello everyone,
Thank you very much for the advice! I'd read it all then and came back
today with the idea that I'll take the disc-hub. Then I read through the
emails again

Anyway, I think my thought on "future-proof" was incomplete. I have never
tried disc brakes over a longer period so don't have any strong opinions
about it - except that I don't know how to fix it if I have to (yet). That
being said, if an opportunity comes up I would like to give it a shot. I
should have also mentioned that this is for a bike (hopefully) meant for
touring - so I'm always thinking of many birds and less stones. Perhaps
"multiple-scenario-proof" would be better.

I'd decided on the disc-hub, considering I'll have my current frame not
worrying about taking this hub to a thru axle frame, with the pros -
- good v-brakes are getting hard to find - shimano still makes deore & xt
but until when? (can't afford the pauls)
- option to switch to disc when I would like to try it
- 26" rims are also not too common - even more for rim-brakes, this gives
the flexibility (disc rims could potentially also last longer considering I
don't have to change the rim only the disc brakes parts)

The concerns in my head were first as Peter mentioned about the rim
flexing, if this more the case with disc rims - this is an unknown unknown
territory for me. Second, wider flange spacing would have been nicer, but I
see a lot of people touring with disc Son hubs and I think these should
hold good enough too.

Thank you for the suggestion for the centerlock brakes! Until last week I'd
no idea there were multiple disc brake mounts - I read this is a Shimano
thing so I'm wondering if it makes more sense to go with mounts that are
more commonly used.

@Laing - I would be interested in the Panasonic hubs but I couldn't find
much info/review on their durability for touring.

back to riding and thinking mode,
Peter

Am So., 16. Apr. 2023 um 20:52 Uhr schrieb ascpgh :

> I have a SON QR disc hub on my commuter (love it, thanks Peter W.) and had
> it built so I could move it to my Rambouillet when I tire of either the
> bike (Disc Trucker) or no longer need a commuter.  So it has the same rim
> as my Ram and the disc mount is lockring instead of 6-bolt. A quarter turn
> with a Shimano cartridge BB/cassette lockring tool and it's gone. I
> unsderstand the flange stance difference between the disc and rim brake
> spec hubs but seems within reasonableness given that both are pretty large
> diameter flanges compared to non-generator hubs when considering the loss
> of flange width between the two. I felt like was getting two birds with one
> stone.
>
> Future proof? My fifteen year experiment with discs on drop bar, bar end
> shifter bikes lead me to spec cantilevers on my custom two years ago. I'll
> gladly accept the the variables I know about brakes, braking, parts,
> pieces, installation and adjustment over unique, sporadic mystery sounds
> and finickiness that are beyond control and lead to throwing new parts into
> the system at a rate embarrassing compared to rim brakes.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
> On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 7:47:32 AM UTC-4 peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm looking to get the Son dynamo hub. Considering it's price I'd rather
>> make an informed (still quite impulsive) decision..hah!
>>
>> I have a bike with both rim and disc brake mounts (with QR) so I usually
>> buy disc hubs, to future proof the hub purchase, but continue to run
>> v-brakes (for now). Is this a sound approach to continue with this buy i.e.
>> disc hubs with v-brake rims?
>>
>> Based on SON's website, I think Son28 would be appropriate considering
>> it's better to charge devices at low speeds. So, in this case I would take
>> the "SON 28 Hub Dynamo - 6-Bolt - QR".
>>
>> Thank you for your insight!
>> Peter
>>
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[RBW] Son Hub advice

[Peter Fray]

Hi, 

I'm looking to get the Son dynamo hub. Considering it's price I'd rather 
make an informed (still quite impulsive) decision..hah!

I have a bike with both rim and disc brake mounts (with QR) so I usually 
buy disc hubs, to future proof the hub purchase, but continue to run 
v-brakes (for now). Is this a sound approach to continue with this buy i.e. 
disc hubs with v-brake rims?

Based on SON's website, I think Son28 would be appropriate considering it's 
better to charge devices at low speeds. So, in this case I would take the 
"SON 28 Hub Dynamo - 6-Bolt - QR".

Thank you for your insight!
Peter

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[RBW] WTB: friction thumb shifters, VO crazy bar, gamma/monarch pedals

[Peter Fray]

Hi there,

I'm building a bike on a budget but would like to get quality long lasting 
components - so looking to get used ones in good condition.

- silver friction shifters with the thumb mounts
- velo orange crazy bars or seine bars
- MKS monarch pedals

If you've suggestions for replacements for the above I'd be happy to 
consider.

Cheers,
Peter

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