Re: [RBW] Expert level bike commuting strategies?

[Philip Barrett]

One thing to add - you can have Strava auto-pause when you stop.

https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216919277-Auto-Pause

On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 12:21:40 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Enjoy the new adventure! I love commuting by bike. Everyone has said 
> wonderful things, but I’d like to add something: just get a dynamo system 
> and ditch the rechargeables. This has made a huge difference for me having 
> just a couple less things to worry about charging.
>
> A clear, resonant bell. I have a Crane Suzu and people reeaaalllyyy hear 
> it. I’m always ringing it to let people know where I am and it just works. 
> Wonderfully. 
>
> It’s been said but wool makes a difference. I wear wool socks from 
> SmartWool year round and I love them and the warmth/cooling they provide. I 
> also have a WoolyWarm sweater (obsessed!) and the Dottie Wool gloves. I 
> won’t win any awards for looking good, but I’m always cozy on my bike. 
>
> I also suggest racks/a trailer. Why add more weight you ask? I never, ever 
> need to wear a bag and can run the usual errands with little or no planning 
> because I can just throw stuff on my racks. The planning comes when I need 
> to haul more and have to plan around having my B.O.B.
>
> And attached is my current setup for commuting, riding, and plain fun. 
> Enjoy yourself out there!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: To trade or sell or improve, my 50cm 1988 Bridgestone MB-1

[Philip Barrett]

The MB-1 was designed as an uncompromising racer so the geometry is 
deliberately aggressive. Fantastic piece of equipment though with that 
wonderful Tange Prestige frame. Yours looks to be mostly original with the 
exception of the rims?

On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-5 Jeffrey Arita wrote:

> Lee,
>
> I will share our experiences: we bought his/her 90's era Trek 930 ATBs 
> during the pandemic as project bikes.  They both had close-to-level top 
> tubes, much like your MB-1.  I ended up buying a pair of 
> threaded-to-threadless stem adapters and then installing shorter (and 
> upright) threadless stems to both raise and shorten the reach.  Be advised 
> the specific Treks we had required a slightly larger diameter adapter vs. 
> the more common 22.2mm (quill) diameter.  Measure your existing quill stem 
> and perhaps order the appropriate sized adapter.  The adapters use the 
> almost standard 9/8" diameter size to attach threadless stems.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Jeff
>
> On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 3:42:44 PM UTC-4 Lee T wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I've had this MB-1 since 2007 when I lived in the desert in California. 
>> I'm its second owner. I don't ride it very much and it's taking up a lot of 
>> space in my studio apartment, lol. I wanted a Susie Longbolts but couldn't 
>> afford it, and purchased a lovely Clem "L" large off this list a year ago 
>> and really love it. I also have a Bianchi San Jose singlespeed 58cm already.
>>
>> My MB-1s a 50cm and the geometry really annoys me. I have to lean way too 
>> far over to reach the handlebars, plus i wonder if the frame is too small. 
>> I mostly do singletrack on my Clem with 2.3 Thunder Burt tires. I live in 
>> Brooklyn so it's hard to find as many mountain bike opportunities anyway 
>> beyond stealth city park biking. 
>>
>> I coveted the Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone but wonder how different 
>> it would really be from my Clem. In any case, I've been trying to figure 
>> out if I should just sell the MB-1 or if I should get some north road bars 
>> or something and try those? As far as I know, I have almost all the 
>> original parts on the bike minus the seat, so maybe I should sell this to 
>> someone for whom this is their dream bike and just be thankful I have two 
>> nice bikes already? Not sure!
>>
>> Thanks for any opinions.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Dallas Texas Riv Riders Meet Up

[Philip Barrett]

Sorry I missed you guys, definitely a Platypus sized hole in those picture!

On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 3:10:28 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Four area Rivendell owner / riders finally synched up our schedules this 
> Sunday morning to ride together.
>
> Jim and Jim were on their Roadini's.
> Luis rode his Homer Hilsen.
>
> I, (Paul) rode my Sam Hillborne.
>
> We got in 27 and 30 miles depending on our routes to White Rock Lake 
> before heat/heat index got too brutal.
>
> It pays to start early during Texas summers as mid afternoon heat can get 
> to you and be dangerous.
>
> It was great to ride together.
>
> Hopefully next meet up Philip can join us on his Platypus soon
>
> Paul in Dallas 
>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Recommendations Pls?

[Philip Barrett]

@Roberta - I'd responded to your PM, check your email & LMK if it didn't 
come through?



On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 6:42:57 AM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:

>
> Instead of switching out the bars, I’d experiment on a ride by grabbing 
> the more forward part of the handlebars. If that alleviates the issue, then 
> I’d even say a longer stem might do the trick. Then I’d go to bars. Just a 
> thought. 
> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 7:12:44 AM UTC-6 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Apologies for the tardy reply, Spectrum decided we didn't want internet 
>> last night! But wow, thanks Garth & everyone else for your thoughtful & 
>> insightful responses. I do think that stretched out more is going to be the 
>> 1 st step here and the bars will be part of that. I also have a collection 
>> of saddles including less supportive ones (which sounds counter-intuitive I 
>> know) so part 2 will be to try that as well. 
>>
>> I'll be the only Platypus rider in the drops!
>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 8:04:06 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Having experience with debilitating inner sit bone pain, what worked for 
>>> me is going long(stretched) and low and using your quadriceps more, which 
>>> may involve moving your saddle forward and even a different saddle that 
>>> favors that favors that position. Much more of a road like position, but 
>>> with your hands level or even slightly above saddle height. In using your 
>>> quads more, pushing hard, that naturally takes pressure off the butt and 
>>> the hands at the same time. That's how pro road racers can ride with narrow 
>>> saddles and road bars on narrow tires even on cobblestones, they're 
>>> exerting so much power with their quads that it rather alleviates butt and 
>>> hand pressure. It's just not road riders that do that, it's riders of all 
>>> genres that push down on the pedals hard.
>>>
>>> If your quads aren't particularly strong or more like, unfamiliar with 
>>> loading them up, even simply laying on your back and bending your knees 
>>> towards you, and raising up your torso, making yourself like a ramp, does 
>>> wonders. 
>>>
>>> The general rule of thumb I grew up with as a subjectively ideal riding 
>>> position, when you're in your long and low position, the font hub should 
>>> either be hidden or behind the middle of the bar at the stem. This was with 
>>> drop bars , but it works too with the Albatross bars I have, the middle of 
>>> the bar is a little forward of the hub when I look down. I have a 13cm stem 
>>> on the Bombadil, which also has an atypically longer TT and reach than all 
>>> other regular chainstay Rivs. 
>>>
>>> I know all that seems complicated, and it need not be. Just Be Happy 
>>> and which Way ;)
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Recommendations Pls?

[Philip Barrett]

Apologies for the tardy reply, Spectrum decided we didn't want internet 
last night! But wow, thanks Garth & everyone else for your thoughtful & 
insightful responses. I do think that stretched out more is going to be the 
1 st step here and the bars will be part of that. I also have a collection 
of saddles including less supportive ones (which sounds counter-intuitive I 
know) so part 2 will be to try that as well. 

I'll be the only Platypus rider in the drops!
On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 8:04:06 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Having experience with debilitating inner sit bone pain, what worked for 
> me is going long(stretched) and low and using your quadriceps more, which 
> may involve moving your saddle forward and even a different saddle that 
> favors that favors that position. Much more of a road like position, but 
> with your hands level or even slightly above saddle height. In using your 
> quads more, pushing hard, that naturally takes pressure off the butt and 
> the hands at the same time. That's how pro road racers can ride with narrow 
> saddles and road bars on narrow tires even on cobblestones, they're 
> exerting so much power with their quads that it rather alleviates butt and 
> hand pressure. It's just not road riders that do that, it's riders of all 
> genres that push down on the pedals hard.
>
> If your quads aren't particularly strong or more like, unfamiliar with 
> loading them up, even simply laying on your back and bending your knees 
> towards you, and raising up your torso, making yourself like a ramp, does 
> wonders. 
>
> The general rule of thumb I grew up with as a subjectively ideal riding 
> position, when you're in your long and low position, the font hub should 
> either be hidden or behind the middle of the bar at the stem. This was with 
> drop bars , but it works too with the Albatross bars I have, the middle of 
> the bar is a little forward of the hub when I look down. I have a 13cm stem 
> on the Bombadil, which also has an atypically longer TT and reach than all 
> other regular chainstay Rivs. 
>
> I know all that seems complicated, and it need not be. Just Be Happy 
> and which Way ;)
>

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[RBW] Handlebar Recommendations Pls?

[Philip Barrett]

You know, my old Dutch riding buddy Hans Der Barrs! He was fast in his 
day...

Actually I'm currently using a set of Boscos on my Platypus, lovely & 
upright but due to my Piriformis issues I feel like I need to be a little 
more canted forward to take some pressure off the sit bones.

The choices out there are overwhelming quite frankly. Maybe the Wavie but 
IDK, what do you think?

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Re: [RBW] FS - MKS XC Bear Trap Pedals

[Philip Barrett]

These are sold!

Thanks,

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:38:35 AM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> PM sent!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
> On Oct 9, 2022, at 9:11 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Great condition, bearings spin freely. $30 + shipping costs.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: I see a thread on Piriformis. But I have a different problem, wondering if anyone has knowledge?

[Philip Barrett]

Just some thinking out loud with some lessons learned from experience. It 
took nearly 18 months for me to finally get to the point where I could 
start isolating cause & effect & we went down endless rabbit holes during 
that time. Iyengar yogi has helped immensely around too.

Since even a slightly bulging disc can inflame a nerve into agony I can't 
image what a screw could do in the same situation.

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 2:38:01 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

>
> Phillip, I agree on what you say.  I am hoping the calf pain and maybe 
> even the thigh pain are a resurgence of the sciatica that was 90+% gone 
> after my last surgery 10 years ago. I have one doc who is in agreement so 
> far that the screw has to come out and am waiting for a second opinion 
> appt, but either way I know it has to go.  The pain that never resolved was 
> a mild pain in my butt when in my recliner which had gotten worse before 
> the thigh and calf pain.  Maybe my knee blowing up is coincidence, I prefer 
> to have the screw removed than another knee replacement (my right leg one 
> was not a great success, better but not better enough). This is something I 
> had not thought of “ Theorizing here that perhaps the nerve/sciatica is 
> causing the body to twist which in turn is irritating the IT band and 
> causing the knee pain” and makes a lot of sense to me.
>
> Thanks for reading my note thoroughly…….
>
> Joel
> Sent from Proton Mail for iOS
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 10:01 AM, Philip Barrett  
> wrote:
>
> Joel, I reread your post a couple of times and the 2 things that jumped 
> out at me were the IT band and the MRI. If a nerve is being impinged you've 
> hopefully found your issue and either way that surely needs to be addressed 
> prior to anything else (including PT)? That nerve (and sciatica) would also 
> point to the calf pain as the IT band does not extend past the lower knee. 
>
> What I have discovered is that our bodies will perform some clever 
> physiological tricks to try & avoid pain at all costs and will stress other 
> areas in doing so at which point it becomes difficult to isolate effect 
> from underlying root cause. Theorizing here that perhaps the nerve/sciatica 
> is causing the body to twist which in turn is irritating the IT band and 
> causing the knee pain.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 4:42:57 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Hi Paul, thanks for your input.
>>
>> I am working with a sports medicine group and their physical therapists. 
>> I will be 71 next week so anytime off the bike is stolen time and I only 
>> have a limited about of time living in the northeast. I have some days to 
>> see how my knee treatment will work, I am hopeful, as far as my calf pain 
>> that may be a very different thing and I will have to figure that one out. 
>> I have a feeling it is coming from my knee not my back some time will tell.
>>
>> In any event slow and easy is the way I am going with this as I have few 
>> options and I really do want to be able to ride in the fall.
>>
>> Thanks again. My knees have bothered me since I was in my late 40's, had 
>> one replaced in 2018, not great but better than the other one at the 
>> moment. I don't mind some pain as long as I can still function.
>>
>> Thanks again
>>
>> Joel
>>
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>>
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>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>> On Sunday, August 7th, 2022 at 2:03 PM, Paul Clifton  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Joel,
>> I've had knee pain for 25 years on and off and relatively recently have 
>> had some hip/quad/glute pain that sounds vaguely similar to yours. I 
>> haven't had any surgery or steroid or cortisone or anything like that 
>> though, so I can't comment much specifically. But I can encourage you to 
>> stick with the PT; it's really the only thing that has ever helped me - 
>> repeat visits to the same person who can assess my strength and mobility 
>> and adjust my program as I progress.
>>
>> The main thing I'm learning as I approach 40 is that I need to take it 
>> slow and not re-injure myself while I'm rebuilding my strength. I turned 39 
>> a week ago and start PT again 3 weeks before that for this 
>> hip/glute/back/quad stuff. I'm giving myself the next year to get my 
>> strength, mobility, and mileage back to where it was when I was 30. From 
>> your story, (filtered though my own experience so grain of salt ...) it 
>> sounds like you had something kinda minor that you then ag

Re: [RBW] Re: I see a thread on Piriformis. But I have a different problem, wondering if anyone has knowledge?

[Philip Barrett]

Joel, I reread your post a couple of times and the 2 things that jumped out 
at me were the IT band and the MRI. If a nerve is being impinged you've 
hopefully found your issue and either way that surely needs to be addressed 
prior to anything else (including PT)? That nerve (and sciatica) would also 
point to the calf pain as the IT band does not extend past the lower knee. 

What I have discovered is that our bodies will perform some clever 
physiological tricks to try & avoid pain at all costs and will stress other 
areas in doing so at which point it becomes difficult to isolate effect 
from underlying root cause. Theorizing here that perhaps the nerve/sciatica 
is causing the body to twist which in turn is irritating the IT band and 
causing the knee pain.



On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 4:42:57 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> Hi Paul, thanks for your input.
>
> I am working with a sports medicine group and their physical therapists. I 
> will be 71 next week so anytime off the bike is stolen time and I only have 
> a limited about of time living in the northeast. I have some days to see 
> how my knee treatment will work, I am hopeful, as far as my calf pain that 
> may be a very different thing and I will have to figure that one out. I 
> have a feeling it is coming from my knee not my back some time will tell.
>
> In any event slow and easy is the way I am going with this as I have few 
> options and I really do want to be able to ride in the fall.
>
> Thanks again. My knees have bothered me since I was in my late 40's, had 
> one replaced in 2018, not great but better than the other one at the 
> moment. I don't mind some pain as long as I can still function.
>
> Thanks again
>
> Joel
>
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>
> Always keep it safe. 
>
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> --- Original Message ---
>
> On Sunday, August 7th, 2022 at 2:03 PM, Paul Clifton  
> wrote:
>
> Hey Joel,
> I've had knee pain for 25 years on and off and relatively recently have 
> had some hip/quad/glute pain that sounds vaguely similar to yours. I 
> haven't had any surgery or steroid or cortisone or anything like that 
> though, so I can't comment much specifically. But I can encourage you to 
> stick with the PT; it's really the only thing that has ever helped me - 
> repeat visits to the same person who can assess my strength and mobility 
> and adjust my program as I progress.
>
> The main thing I'm learning as I approach 40 is that I need to take it 
> slow and not re-injure myself while I'm rebuilding my strength. I turned 39 
> a week ago and start PT again 3 weeks before that for this 
> hip/glute/back/quad stuff. I'm giving myself the next year to get my 
> strength, mobility, and mileage back to where it was when I was 30. From 
> your story, (filtered though my own experience so grain of salt ...) it 
> sounds like you had something kinda minor that you then aggravated a few 
> more times without adding in restorative movements.
>
> IME it's normal for the first day or two of PT to be very hard and make me 
> pretty sore, but if that persists, maybe try a different PT or at least ask 
> for something lighter and build up to whatever they have you doing now. 
> Also, I've found that working with and actual Doctor of Physical Thereapy 
> is a LOT LOT LOT better than someone with a fewer qualifications. And 
> physical therapists focusing on sports injuries may be better than the ones 
> that focus mainly on recovery from surgery or others (although a good doc 
> should be able to do both).
>
> Any way, here's to minimal pain for all of us in the future,
> Paul "life is pain" in AR
>
> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 9:25:32 AM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> In mid May I had a mishap, my leg lost it’s stability for a moment while 
>> on line for a light to change. Some knee pain. Waited 2 dats and rode with 
>> a knee support, all was ok but knee pain persisted. Rode the next day and 
>> my knee blew up. Within a day I started having pain that I thought was 
>> sciatica. A bit of pain in my butt but that has been with me for years 
>> after my second back surgery. New was a burning pain going down mostly the 
>> outside of my thigh and also my calf. Went to knee doc, PA gave me a 
>> cortisone injection to bring down the swelling in my knee. No help. Went 
>> back 3 weeks later and the doc gave me a medro pak. Took for a week, not 
>> real difference. A week later (which means it was not from the steroid) the 
>> burning stopped and I felt ok. On July 3 I rode around the block, all was 
>> ok. On July 4 I went for a short 8 mile ride, got home and pain in thigh 
>> and calf got very bad but no burning. Have used ice and heat and both 
>> offered temporary help. I had an upcoming visit with my pain doc as I was 
>> preparing for a RFA (Coolief) treatment in that knee. He thought (and I had 
>> researched before) that the thigh pain could be from the IT 

Re: [RBW] Re: Piriformis - Help!

[Philip Barrett]

The full diagnosis is that the Piriformis inflammation is putting pressure 
on the Scatica which would also cause very similar symptoms to those you 
describe with the IT band plus extending all the way to the front ankle 
which mine does. My calf hurting is actually the 1st indicator I have of 
what's on its way. I also have no knee pain (the only bit that doesn't hurt 
right now!).

On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 3:14:47 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> After reading all of these replies (along with your original post) I'm 
> strongly suspecting at least an IT band problem, especially if she's 
> recommending that you stay off the bike for a while, but you can still run 
> without problems.  I had similar issues ~40 years ago and discovered that, 
> though I didn't recognize it at the time, it was in fact an inflammation of 
> the IT band.  I originally thought it was a knee problem, especially 
> bursitis, but having since been married to a professional massage therapist 
> (just one small step below a physical therapist) I've come to realize that 
> it was likely an IT band issue.  I solved my problem back then in two ways: 
> 1) in colder weather I applied some Cramergesic with a wooden applicator 
> (popsicle stick), wrapped a layer of Saran Wrap over that, and covered that 
> with a loosely wrapped Ace bandage using an up-and-down and crossways 
> technique, and 2) carefully played around with my saddle height, eventually 
> finding that I was riding with the saddle in too high a position.  
> Supposedly, common cycling knowledge - at least among the racing crowd - is 
> that knee pain is more likely to occur along the outside of the leg if the 
> saddle is too high and on the inside if it's too low.  
>
> On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:58:55 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Well the doc reviewed my MRI and says stay off the bike for awhile until 
>> things clear up. Not good, but it makes sense & I trust her as she's a 
>> sports doc not just a GP. Luckily I can still run but being off the bike 
>> for an undetermined period of time is a big hit to the physical & mental 
>> well being.
>>
>> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 9:10:50 AM UTC-5 Philip Barrett wrote:
>>
>>> Mine is similar, except on the floor, good old Iyengar twist. Like you, 
>>> seems to work without making anything worse.
>>>
>>> I did the same for my computer too, I have to recommend the Monoprice 
>>> electric sit/stand desk - less than $200 and a very substantial piece of 
>>> kit. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 8:46:02 AM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Philip, the stretch that has worked for me—I’ll see if I can describe 
>>>> it—it to sit on a chair with my back straight, cross my legs so that one 
>>>> knee is in the air, then bend forward and twist my shoulders towards that 
>>>> knee, so I can feel the tight muscle stretching. I do this usually at 
>>>> night 
>>>> or whenever it feels tight, but not when truly sore.  
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and I also moved my computer to a standing desk.  
>>>>
>>>> Jim 
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 6, 2022, at 6:06 PM, Philip Barrett  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Jim - you were doing the simple stretches only? My PT 
>>>> recommended those (which feel good) & the lacrosse ball direct massage 
>>>> which seems to make things worse.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 4:43:48 PM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Another thing is just giving yourself plenty of time to heal.  I had 
>>>>> an awful bout with piriformis syndrome--in my case the cause, I think, 
>>>>> was 
>>>>> a combination of a lot of jogging and a lot of sitting in a chair.  
>>>>> Stretching did not cure it, rest did--but stretching has kept it from 
>>>>> coming back.  Right now I am riding a Clem H with a Brooks B17 and it's 
>>>>> fine for me, but I seem to have learned how to stretch and when, to keep 
>>>>> the problem from recurring.  Good luck!  It can be agonizing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim in Rochester
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 10:01:55 AM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My riding is being seriously compromised by Piriformis syndrome. I'm 
>>>>>> with a sports doc and in PT for this so don't need advice on treatment, 
>>>>>> more so, any shared experi

Re: [RBW] Re: Piriformis - Help!

[Philip Barrett]

Well the doc reviewed my MRI and says stay off the bike for awhile until 
things clear up. Not good, but it makes sense & I trust her as she's a 
sports doc not just a GP. Luckily I can still run but being off the bike 
for an undetermined period of time is a big hit to the physical & mental 
well being.

On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 9:10:50 AM UTC-5 Philip Barrett wrote:

> Mine is similar, except on the floor, good old Iyengar twist. Like you, 
> seems to work without making anything worse.
>
> I did the same for my computer too, I have to recommend the Monoprice 
> electric sit/stand desk - less than $200 and a very substantial piece of 
> kit. 
>
> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 8:46:02 AM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:
>
>> Philip, the stretch that has worked for me—I’ll see if I can describe 
>> it—it to sit on a chair with my back straight, cross my legs so that one 
>> knee is in the air, then bend forward and twist my shoulders towards that 
>> knee, so I can feel the tight muscle stretching. I do this usually at night 
>> or whenever it feels tight, but not when truly sore.  
>>
>> Oh, and I also moved my computer to a standing desk.  
>>
>> Jim 
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2022, at 6:06 PM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Jim - you were doing the simple stretches only? My PT recommended 
>> those (which feel good) & the lacrosse ball direct massage which seems to 
>> make things worse.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 4:43:48 PM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:
>>
>>> Another thing is just giving yourself plenty of time to heal.  I had an 
>>> awful bout with piriformis syndrome--in my case the cause, I think, was a 
>>> combination of a lot of jogging and a lot of sitting in a chair.  
>>> Stretching did not cure it, rest did--but stretching has kept it from 
>>> coming back.  Right now I am riding a Clem H with a Brooks B17 and it's 
>>> fine for me, but I seem to have learned how to stretch and when, to keep 
>>> the problem from recurring.  Good luck!  It can be agonizing.
>>>
>>> Jim in Rochester
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 10:01:55 AM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My riding is being seriously compromised by Piriformis syndrome. I'm 
>>>> with a sports doc and in PT for this so don't need advice on treatment, 
>>>> more so, any shared experience specific to cycling.
>>>>
>>>> Pressure on the Periformis area causes both localized pain and pain in 
>>>> my calf. Running does not exasperate the problem, in fact it seems to 
>>>> help! 
>>>> Cycling however is difficult & will leave lingering pain long after the 
>>>> ride. I've readjusted fit & seat height, my saddles are all Brooks B-17s 
>>>> and I stay focused on a spin rather than big pressure but nothing seems to 
>>>> help. Basically a bike ride sets any recovery process backwards.
>>>>
>>>> I'm actually suspecting the seat, albeit it seems to support correctly 
>>>> perhaps there's just enough pressure in the wrong place to cause issues? 
>>>> Anyone's experiences around this would be very much appreciated as I've 
>>>> had 
>>>> to cut my riding time down exponentially and I find that (literally) 
>>>> depressing.
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Piriformis - Help!

[Philip Barrett]

Mine is similar, except on the floor, good old Iyengar twist. Like you, 
seems to work without making anything worse.

I did the same for my computer too, I have to recommend the Monoprice 
electric sit/stand desk - less than $200 and a very substantial piece of 
kit. 

On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 8:46:02 AM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:

> Philip, the stretch that has worked for me—I’ll see if I can describe 
> it—it to sit on a chair with my back straight, cross my legs so that one 
> knee is in the air, then bend forward and twist my shoulders towards that 
> knee, so I can feel the tight muscle stretching. I do this usually at night 
> or whenever it feels tight, but not when truly sore.  
>
> Oh, and I also moved my computer to a standing desk.  
>
> Jim 
>
> On Aug 6, 2022, at 6:06 PM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>
> Thanks Jim - you were doing the simple stretches only? My PT recommended 
> those (which feel good) & the lacrosse ball direct massage which seems to 
> make things worse.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 4:43:48 PM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:
>
>> Another thing is just giving yourself plenty of time to heal.  I had an 
>> awful bout with piriformis syndrome--in my case the cause, I think, was a 
>> combination of a lot of jogging and a lot of sitting in a chair.  
>> Stretching did not cure it, rest did--but stretching has kept it from 
>> coming back.  Right now I am riding a Clem H with a Brooks B17 and it's 
>> fine for me, but I seem to have learned how to stretch and when, to keep 
>> the problem from recurring.  Good luck!  It can be agonizing.
>>
>> Jim in Rochester
>>
>> On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 10:01:55 AM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My riding is being seriously compromised by Piriformis syndrome. I'm 
>>> with a sports doc and in PT for this so don't need advice on treatment, 
>>> more so, any shared experience specific to cycling.
>>>
>>> Pressure on the Periformis area causes both localized pain and pain in 
>>> my calf. Running does not exasperate the problem, in fact it seems to help! 
>>> Cycling however is difficult & will leave lingering pain long after the 
>>> ride. I've readjusted fit & seat height, my saddles are all Brooks B-17s 
>>> and I stay focused on a spin rather than big pressure but nothing seems to 
>>> help. Basically a bike ride sets any recovery process backwards.
>>>
>>> I'm actually suspecting the seat, albeit it seems to support correctly 
>>> perhaps there's just enough pressure in the wrong place to cause issues? 
>>> Anyone's experiences around this would be very much appreciated as I've had 
>>> to cut my riding time down exponentially and I find that (literally) 
>>> depressing.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Piriformis - Help!

[Philip Barrett]

Thanks Jim - you were doing the simple stretches only? My PT recommended 
those (which feel good) & the lacrosse ball direct massage which seems to 
make things worse.

On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 4:43:48 PM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:

> Another thing is just giving yourself plenty of time to heal.  I had an 
> awful bout with piriformis syndrome--in my case the cause, I think, was a 
> combination of a lot of jogging and a lot of sitting in a chair.  
> Stretching did not cure it, rest did--but stretching has kept it from 
> coming back.  Right now I am riding a Clem H with a Brooks B17 and it's 
> fine for me, but I seem to have learned how to stretch and when, to keep 
> the problem from recurring.  Good luck!  It can be agonizing.
>
> Jim in Rochester
>
> On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 10:01:55 AM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My riding is being seriously compromised by Piriformis syndrome. I'm with 
>> a sports doc and in PT for this so don't need advice on treatment, more so, 
>> any shared experience specific to cycling.
>>
>> Pressure on the Periformis area causes both localized pain and pain in my 
>> calf. Running does not exasperate the problem, in fact it seems to help! 
>> Cycling however is difficult & will leave lingering pain long after the 
>> ride. I've readjusted fit & seat height, my saddles are all Brooks B-17s 
>> and I stay focused on a spin rather than big pressure but nothing seems to 
>> help. Basically a bike ride sets any recovery process backwards.
>>
>> I'm actually suspecting the seat, albeit it seems to support correctly 
>> perhaps there's just enough pressure in the wrong place to cause issues? 
>> Anyone's experiences around this would be very much appreciated as I've had 
>> to cut my riding time down exponentially and I find that (literally) 
>> depressing.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Piriformis - Help!

[Philip Barrett]

Thanks & great question.

In an attempt to isolate this I've been staying on the Platypus only, it 
seems (maybe) that the Kona ULTD doesn't cause as much issue which makes no 
sense as it's a more forward/pressure on that area riding position so in 
the name of eliminating variables...

I've redone the PBH measurements just to check & elevated the seat slightly 
as stretching the Piriformis area is advised rather than "crushing" it with 
too short a stroke which makes sense.

On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 11:28:16 AM UTC-5 Wesley wrote:

> Sorry to hear it, Philip! Nagging physical issues are miserable. How many 
> bikes do you own, and is there variation in your experience between bikes, 
> or if you adjust your seat or handlebar height?
> -W
>
> On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 7:01:55 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My riding is being seriously compromised by Piriformis syndrome. I'm with 
>> a sports doc and in PT for this so don't need advice on treatment, more so, 
>> any shared experience specific to cycling.
>>
>> Pressure on the Periformis area causes both localized pain and pain in my 
>> calf. Running does not exasperate the problem, in fact it seems to help! 
>> Cycling however is difficult & will leave lingering pain long after the 
>> ride. I've readjusted fit & seat height, my saddles are all Brooks B-17s 
>> and I stay focused on a spin rather than big pressure but nothing seems to 
>> help. Basically a bike ride sets any recovery process backwards.
>>
>> I'm actually suspecting the seat, albeit it seems to support correctly 
>> perhaps there's just enough pressure in the wrong place to cause issues? 
>> Anyone's experiences around this would be very much appreciated as I've had 
>> to cut my riding time down exponentially and I find that (literally) 
>> depressing.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Piriformis - Help!

[Philip Barrett]

Thanks all, I was wondering about trying a B-67 but it's a major investment 
if I'm wrong! I guess I could do Amazon & return though.



On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 10:26:16 AM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> Interestingly, I have either B-17's or a Flyer on all but one of my bikes 
> and I ride them without issue.  The 4th one, however, has a Team Pro, 
> probably the narrowest of the Brooks saddles and whenever I ride that one I 
> begin to develop similar problems, probably piriformis or related.  
> Similarly, in the past when I switched one of the B-17's out for a B-17 
> Narrow I rode it for a couple hundred miles and just could not get past the 
> same kind of discomfort as with the Team Pro.  So, there may indeed be 
> something to this saddle type, width, etc. issue.
>
> On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 9:01:55 AM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My riding is being seriously compromised by Piriformis syndrome. I'm with 
>> a sports doc and in PT for this so don't need advice on treatment, more so, 
>> any shared experience specific to cycling.
>>
>> Pressure on the Periformis area causes both localized pain and pain in my 
>> calf. Running does not exasperate the problem, in fact it seems to help! 
>> Cycling however is difficult & will leave lingering pain long after the 
>> ride. I've readjusted fit & seat height, my saddles are all Brooks B-17s 
>> and I stay focused on a spin rather than big pressure but nothing seems to 
>> help. Basically a bike ride sets any recovery process backwards.
>>
>> I'm actually suspecting the seat, albeit it seems to support correctly 
>> perhaps there's just enough pressure in the wrong place to cause issues? 
>> Anyone's experiences around this would be very much appreciated as I've had 
>> to cut my riding time down exponentially and I find that (literally) 
>> depressing.
>>
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[RBW] Piriformis - Help!

[Philip Barrett]

My riding is being seriously compromised by Piriformis syndrome. I'm with a 
sports doc and in PT for this so don't need advice on treatment, more so, 
any shared experience specific to cycling.

Pressure on the Periformis area causes both localized pain and pain in my 
calf. Running does not exasperate the problem, in fact it seems to help! 
Cycling however is difficult & will leave lingering pain long after the 
ride. I've readjusted fit & seat height, my saddles are all Brooks B-17s 
and I stay focused on a spin rather than big pressure but nothing seems to 
help. Basically a bike ride sets any recovery process backwards.

I'm actually suspecting the seat, albeit it seems to support correctly 
perhaps there's just enough pressure in the wrong place to cause issues? 
Anyone's experiences around this would be very much appreciated as I've had 
to cut my riding time down exponentially and I find that (literally) 
depressing.

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[RBW] Re: Kilts!

[Philip Barrett]

You gotta do it & send pics!


On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 1:27:33 AM UTC-5 sean.b...@dignitymemorial.com 
wrote:

> Wholeheartedly agree with you, Philip!  I commute to work daily on my 
> Riv!  Only sport the kilt around St Patty's day, though.  You inspire me!  
> I may kilt up tomorrow!
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 8:08:53 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Time to come clean on this one. Which is that the ultimate in 
>> comfortable, summer cycling wear is a kilt! Actually, not just any kilt, 
>> this is a Sport Kilt which I ordered slightly shorter than traditional and 
>> is made from a lighter weight, easily washable fabric.
>>
>> Questions I get asked;
>>
>>1. Doesn't it blow up around your waist?
>>   1. No, the center panel stays firmly put between the legs, the 
>>   skirt blooms up just enough to show those sexy cyclists thighs!
>>2. What tartan is that?
>>   1. I'm actually a Perth Drummond but that's hard to find, marrying 
>>   into the Ross Clan buys me "rights" to wear this Ross Hunting tartan - 
>>   aside from the battlefield there's no real social etiquette around 
>> this, 
>>   pick one you like.
>>3. What do you wear underneath?
>>   1. None of your bloody business! Actually, truth be told, the Riv 
>>   Andiamo undies make an excellent compliment to a kilt if you're not 
>>   comfortable breezing along.
>>
>> https://sportkilt.com/
>>
>> [image: PXL_20220624_144801375.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

I like the mounting of the front lamp low as it perfectly illuminates the 
street ahead (I live in Pothole City) and doesn't blind anyone coming the 
other way. I have a big issue with riders shining their 1,000 lumen lights 
directly into oncoming traffic as it's so bright people approaching lose 
their depth perception which is just as dangerous as not being seen at all.

On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 10:01:07 AM UTC-5 bei...@gmail.com wrote:

> *Philip: *Yes! Or a RivRiding Fashion thread at the very least, although 
> I doubt anyone will be topping the Platy-Kilt combo, it's still worth a 
> look!
> *Mike and Row: *Thanks! and I'm also curious to hear about dynamo 
> placement on the Platy...
> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 7:15:53 PM UTC-6 WilletM wrote:
>
>>
>> On my Proto-Bombadil.  So I guess you can be Sam, but Frodo is already 
>> taken.
>>
>>
>> [image: thumbnail (1).jpg]
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 2, 2021 at 8:04:39 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> One bike to rule them all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 1, 2021, at 5:33 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the 650B Ultradynamicos only come in one width. 48
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 5:18:28 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>>

 Ultradynamico has many 650B and 700c 42mm tires in stock for anyone 
 looking for an alternative to the usual suspects. The Cava with it's fine 
 file tread would be just fine for the road, 

 https://ultradynamico.com/pages/shop
 On Sunday, October 31, 2021 at 5:15:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Here you go: 
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/tires/700c/700cx44-snoqualmie-pass/
>
> They do have one very big defect: they can cost $96 apiece, tho' the 
> budget Standard casing costs $74. Still, as someone who has used 2 models 
> of RH ELs (tho' not the Snoqualmie Pass), I can heartily confirm that RH 
> tires are worth the $$.
>
> On Oct 19, 2021, at 6:54 AM, Tom Wyland  wrote: 
> "... I would have been happy finding any folding tires in 42-44 width, 
> but 
> it's tough out there."
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[RBW] Re: Kilts!

[Philip Barrett]

You gotta do itthat's a beautiful tartan.

Will's building up the courage, needs a little prodding.



On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 6:17:03 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> They've got Lindsay tartan...
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 2:18:18 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ha, thanks Kate!
>>
>> My wife was a field hockey player in high school, she's been trying to 
>> remember if the skirts were plain blue or tartan though. Either way, a 
>> quick jab with the hockey stick (they were expected to carry them to & from 
>> school) kept any cheeky boys in line!
>>
>> They make a women's line too, since I ordered an 18" length mine is 
>> technically one of those.
>>
>> https://sportkilt.com/product-category/womens-kilts/
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 12:11:25 PM UTC-5 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> Best cycling gear I've ever seen.  I'd love to see more kilts on bikes.  
>>> I currently wear a skirt when I bike now. Joyce, I too wore a kilt playing 
>>> field hockey from 3rd -12 grade.  I really want one.  Philip, the color 
>>> (and legs) are smashing.
>>> Kate
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 25, 2022 at 5:49:54 PM UTC-4 divis...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 As a caber is about fifteen feet long, it would really screw up your 
 turning radius.

 The Highland Gathering and Games every Labor Day weekend was up at the 
 Sonoma County Fairgrounds in Santa Rosa for decades; it moved to the 
 Alameda County Fairgrounds in Pleasanton maybe 15-20 years ago. If I were 
 going to look for Scottish-esque bike accoutrements, I'd start there; the 
 times I've attended, there was booth after booth of Scottish kitsch of all 
 kinds.

 Bike-sympathetic breeks, maybe?

 https://thescottishgames.com/faqs

 Peter "saw world record-holding shotputter Brian Oldfield there in the 
 late 70s, tossing stones and cabers; he was a BEAST" Adler
 Berkeley, CA/USA

 On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 10:29:10 PM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote:

> I bet there’s a caber carrier I could get, too. Some sort of trailer 
> apparatus.



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[RBW] Re: Kilts!

[Philip Barrett]

Ha, thanks Kate!

My wife was a field hockey player in high school, she's been trying to 
remember if the skirts were plain blue or tartan though. Either way, a 
quick jab with the hockey stick (they were expected to carry them to & from 
school) kept any cheeky boys in line!

They make a women's line too, since I ordered an 18" length mine is 
technically one of those.

https://sportkilt.com/product-category/womens-kilts/


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> Best cycling gear I've ever seen.  I'd love to see more kilts on bikes.  I 
> currently wear a skirt when I bike now. Joyce, I too wore a kilt playing 
> field hockey from 3rd -12 grade.  I really want one.  Philip, the color 
> (and legs) are smashing.
> Kate
>
> On Saturday, June 25, 2022 at 5:49:54 PM UTC-4 divis...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> As a caber is about fifteen feet long, it would really screw up your 
>> turning radius.
>>
>> The Highland Gathering and Games every Labor Day weekend was up at the 
>> Sonoma County Fairgrounds in Santa Rosa for decades; it moved to the 
>> Alameda County Fairgrounds in Pleasanton maybe 15-20 years ago. If I were 
>> going to look for Scottish-esque bike accoutrements, I'd start there; the 
>> times I've attended, there was booth after booth of Scottish kitsch of all 
>> kinds.
>>
>> Bike-sympathetic breeks, maybe?
>>
>> https://thescottishgames.com/faqs
>>
>> Peter "saw world record-holding shotputter Brian Oldfield there in the 
>> late 70s, tossing stones and cabers; he was a BEAST" Adler
>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>
>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 10:29:10 PM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>>> I bet there’s a caber carrier I could get, too. Some sort of trailer 
>>> apparatus.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Kilts!

[Philip Barrett]

I doubt you could cycle in one of those, the Sport Kilt is a bit of a 
different wee beastie being lightweight.

On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 11:20:50 AM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:

> Never worn one, but I’m happy to give a shoutout to 
> https://utilikilts.com/. Big pockets, practical fabrics.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Jun 24, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Forgot to add that the plaid matches the tribal rug.
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 10:08 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Best cycling pants I've seen! Wonderful!
>>
>> Where's your sporran?
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 9:08 AM Philip Barrett  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Time to come clean on this one. Which is that the ultimate in 
>>> comfortable, summer cycling wear is a kilt! Actually, not just any kilt, 
>>> this is a Sport Kilt which I ordered slightly shorter than traditional and 
>>> is made from a lighter weight, easily washable fabric.
>>>
>>> Questions I get asked;
>>>
>>>1. Doesn't it blow up around your waist?
>>>   1. No, the center panel stays firmly put between the legs, the 
>>>   skirt blooms up just enough to show those sexy cyclists thighs!
>>>2. What tartan is that?
>>>   1. I'm actually a Perth Drummond but that's hard to find, 
>>>   marrying into the Ross Clan buys me "rights" to wear this Ross 
>>> Hunting 
>>>   tartan - aside from the battlefield there's no real social etiquette 
>>> around 
>>>   this, pick one you like.
>>>3. What do you wear underneath?
>>>   1. None of your bloody business! Actually, truth be told, the Riv 
>>>   Andiamo undies make an excellent compliment to a kilt if you're not 
>>>   comfortable breezing along.
>>>
>>> https://sportkilt.com/
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Kilts!

[Philip Barrett]

Matches the Mermaid methinks?

The kilt actually has a hidden pocket in the front flap & you can order 
with side pockets too.



On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Forgot to add that the plaid matches the tribal rug.
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 10:08 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Best cycling pants I've seen! Wonderful!
>>
>> Where's your sporran?
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 9:08 AM Philip Barrett  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Time to come clean on this one. Which is that the ultimate in 
>>> comfortable, summer cycling wear is a kilt! Actually, not just any kilt, 
>>> this is a Sport Kilt which I ordered slightly shorter than traditional and 
>>> is made from a lighter weight, easily washable fabric.
>>>
>>> Questions I get asked;
>>>
>>>1. Doesn't it blow up around your waist?
>>>   1. No, the center panel stays firmly put between the legs, the 
>>>   skirt blooms up just enough to show those sexy cyclists thighs!
>>>2. What tartan is that?
>>>   1. I'm actually a Perth Drummond but that's hard to find, 
>>>   marrying into the Ross Clan buys me "rights" to wear this Ross 
>>> Hunting 
>>>   tartan - aside from the battlefield there's no real social etiquette 
>>> around 
>>>   this, pick one you like.
>>>3. What do you wear underneath?
>>>   1. None of your bloody business! Actually, truth be told, the Riv 
>>>   Andiamo undies make an excellent compliment to a kilt if you're not 
>>>   comfortable breezing along.
>>>
>>> https://sportkilt.com/
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Free for postage: cheap (but nice) "Tifosi" sunglasses

[Philip Barrett]

Tifosi are great value & they sell spare parts for them!

On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 3:22:25 AM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:

> Whoever got these, I have a zippered case along with microfiber 
> storage/cleaning bag that you can have. One less thing hanging around my 
> house. Let me know. Same deal, free for postage. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
> On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 5:33:24 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I will add that, after owning Rudy Projects and Bolles and other Hi End 
>> cycling shades, I cannot say that these are inferior in performance to 
>> those.
>>
>> FWIW.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 4:29 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> A resounding silence from the iBoblist in response to this my more than 
>>> generous offer, so I'm picking up my toys and going home. Humph.
>>>
>>> These cost me only $25 so I bought 5 different models including (for 
>>> reason I forget) 2 of this model. I'll keep 4 and give this away.
>>>
>>> If anyone on the RBW list wants these, he/she/neuter/etc. is welcome to 
>>> them, with the following conditions:
>>>
>>> 1. Please take only if you will use.
>>>
>>> 2. Please be patient about shipping.
>>>
>>> 3. No case.
>>>
>>> In case it matters, you can call these "cycling" glasses since I bought 
>>> them at a bike shop.
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, happily annoying the unco guid, in ABQ, NM
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[Philip Barrett]

Probably has to be the Atlantis?

On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 8:22:50 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 1154624B-CA95-4486-9D2B-97EF158D1790.jpeg][image: 
> 3F33C3A3-4976-4724-8514-59BFF118CA62.jpeg]
>
> If you follow Rivendell on Instagram, they asked their followers a fun 
> question yesterday: 
>
> You get one bike for the rest of your life - what frame material, and what 
> style - mixte or normal? 
>
> Attached is a screenshot of Grant’s quote and Betsy Streeter’s art. 
>
> What a question! The frame material and style is easy - I love a Rivendell 
> steel mixte, but only one? In the end, my #1 is my raspberry Platypus, but 
> I’d cry real tears if parted from my Clem L or my shopping Platypus. Up 
> until 2020 I was a one bike gal, but I am really savoring having a trio of 
> bikes set up for different enjoyments. I chose the raspberry mixte as my 
> One Bike Forever because it’s the most beautiful, does whatever I want it 
> to, and has heaps of sentimental value. 
>
> What would be your One Bike Forever? Do you have that bike or is it a 
> dream bike? Do you have a photo?
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: How do you track mileage?

[Philip Barrett]

GPS mapping software is smart enough to understand a brief break for 
tunnels. Bridges & underpasses are not a problem as there are multiple 
satellites feeding the data all the way across the horizon so you may lose 
a more overhead signal but not one coming at you from in front or behind. 
As for accuracy, I'm not sure how much closer you want than the typical 16' 
which the standard GPS receivers like your phone or Garmin deliver? Since 
you're traveling rather than static you are giving the mapping software 
flowing data points to extrapolate against for better accuracy than 
standing still too.

There's no way a cycle computer could be calibrated that accurately & the 
margin of error will increase with the mileage.

I use Strava combined with a Wahoo Tickr wrist strap as I like to be mix up 
my HR efforts & I tend to ride too hard. I don't slavishly follow the data 
but Strave lets you input which bike you rode that day which is a great way 
of keeping overall mileage records.




On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 9:46:12 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:

> Reading through the blog post makes me wonder if anyone has ridden a bike 
> with a carefully calibrated cycle odometer - maybe using the "roll out" 
> method to determine accuracy - along with one of these GPS units to see how 
> accurate the GPS really is.  Seems like riding through areas where the sky 
> is blocked temporarily by tall buildings, underpasses, heavy forestation, 
> etc. would have to have some effect on overall mileage tracked.  Plus, the 
> run-of-the-mill GPS units that individuals can use, be it a specific device 
> (Garmin) or a cell phone,  aren't as accurate to begin with as the high 
> quality equipment that people like surveyors use.
>
> Just curious.  I have a friend who will be riding in the Great Cycle 
> Challenge, a fundraiser for the Children's Cancer Research Fund, again this 
> year and I've carefully calibrated her cycle computer - which I'm not even 
> sure she's used - so she can compare the results with the GPS info that the 
> fundraiser uses to track participant's mileage.
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:38:52 AM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> I use a Sigma BC 12.12 Bike Computer, wired, and read it into a 
>> spreadsheet with the Sigma DataCenter program.
>> I bought a bunch of them years ago and calibrate them for each bike on 
>> the trail I ride.
>>
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[RBW] White Rock Lake - was that you?

[Philip Barrett]

Blue Homer yesterday at the spillway - I was running not riding & I called 
out after you "nice Rivendell" but I'm not sure you heard me?

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[RBW] Re: "Riding-a-bicycle Zen"

[Philip Barrett]

Before you ride off to the unexpected, I ordered Fischer's book on the most 
un-Zen like Amazon as my local library apparently don't have this title. 
Thanks for the recommendations.

On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 4:23:52 PM UTC-6 John Rinker wrote:

> "And now that I'm completely off the topic of bikes, I'll stop before my 
> posts get pulled!"
>
> Often the most enjoyable rides are the ones that take us to unexpected 
> places. 
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 2:35:49 AM UTC+9 Erik wrote:
>
>> The best equivalent to that would be the book that introduced a lot of 
>> people to Soto Zen, "Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind" a collection of talks by 
>> Shunryu Suzuki-roshi, the founder of the San Francisco Zen Center.  The 
>> book is a transcription of lectures and talks he gave at the Zen Center 
>> over the years and starts with the line, "In the beginner's mind there are 
>> many possibilities, but in the expert's mind there are few."  
>>
>> A few others I would recommend for their direct style and plain talk:
>> - "What is Zen" by Norman Fischer and Susan Moon. Just published a few 
>> years ago, but a great introduction.  And Norman Fischer is a fantastic 
>> writer and teacher.  
>> -"No Beginning, No End" by my teacher, Kwong-roshi.  He was part of the 
>> original group of students at SF Zen Center. The book is a great reflection 
>> of his personality.  I can see him rolling his eyes at me for writing these 
>> lengthy responses about Zen.  He frequently chides me for living too much 
>> in my head.  :)
>>
>> If you want to hear / watch a talk, I always like to recommend this one 
>> because it was written for a lay audience and connects the principles of 
>> Zen with ordinary life.  It's Zoketsu Norman Fischer giving the graduation 
>> speech at Stanford in 2014.  
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN9p__BHHDs
>>
>> And now that I'm completely off the topic of bikes, I'll stop before my 
>> posts get pulled!
>>   
>>
>> On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 6:48:17 AM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm learning so much here - is there an equivalent of Grant's "Just 
>>> Ride" for Zen?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 2:08:51 AM UTC-6 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 What a pleasure it was to read of your experience, Erik! Much of what 
 you wrote resonates deeply with me. Perhaps this is because we share 
 something of a history with San Francisco Zen Center and a particular 
 approach to both Zen and riding a bike. 

 My formative experiences with Zen occurred when I lived in the City in 
 the late 80s/early 90s and sat at the Zen center regularly during this 
 time. This and S.Suzuki's 'beginner's mind' approach to Zen flavored my 
 view of the practice as a way to "engage with every activity with the same 
 energy as you do your sitting". I was a runner at the time, and my early 
 morning runs to the Zen center from my 16th/Guerrero place and home again 
 were a way to extend the practice beyond the zendo.

 Your description of your ride today puts into words so clearly my own 
 experiences on rides that challenge me, and how I return to my breathing 
 as 
 a method of focusing on the ways in which my body reacts to a tough hill, 
 frozen hands, thirst, or fatigue. There always seems to be another pedal 
 stroke at the bottom of that gaze. And, when the riding is easy, as I 
 mentioned above, breathing is a wonderful way to bring my attention to the 
 moment where brendanoid's 'constant birdsong' echos across Phillip's 
 'gritty industrial streets' as my wheels spin effortlessly. 

 Cheers,
 John
 On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 4:07:55 PM UTC+9 Erik wrote:

> An interesting thread.  I've been involved with Zen practice for a 
> long time.  I'm fortunate to live the greater Bay Area, one of the places 
> where Soto Zen first took root in America back in the 1950s and 60s as 
> the 
> Beat generation started attending services at local Japanese temples in 
> pursuit of new experiences.  Between San Francisco Zen Center and all of 
> the other temples and practices centers that branched off over the years 
> around here, we have a lot of teachers and places to practice.  I've been 
> a 
> student at Sonoma Mountain Zen Center for many years now and have spent a 
> lot of time sitting on a cushion and staring at the wall inside the 
> zendo. 
>
>
> A fundamental concept in Zen practice is that there is no distinction 
> between sitting (zazen) and other activities. Zazen is just one way to 
> bring your attention to the present moment.  A big part of the practice 
> is 
> that you approach and engage with every activity with the same energy as 
> you do your sitting practice and that whatever you are doing should be 
> done 
> fully and completely.  When you sit, you sit.  

[RBW] Re: "Riding-a-bicycle Zen"

[Philip Barrett]

I'm learning so much here - is there an equivalent of Grant's "Just Ride" 
for Zen?

On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 2:08:51 AM UTC-6 John Rinker wrote:

> What a pleasure it was to read of your experience, Erik! Much of what you 
> wrote resonates deeply with me. Perhaps this is because we share something 
> of a history with San Francisco Zen Center and a particular approach to 
> both Zen and riding a bike. 
>
> My formative experiences with Zen occurred when I lived in the City in the 
> late 80s/early 90s and sat at the Zen center regularly during this time. 
> This and S.Suzuki's 'beginner's mind' approach to Zen flavored my view of 
> the practice as a way to "engage with every activity with the same energy 
> as you do your sitting". I was a runner at the time, and my early morning 
> runs to the Zen center from my 16th/Guerrero place and home again were a 
> way to extend the practice beyond the zendo.
>
> Your description of your ride today puts into words so clearly my own 
> experiences on rides that challenge me, and how I return to my breathing as 
> a method of focusing on the ways in which my body reacts to a tough hill, 
> frozen hands, thirst, or fatigue. There always seems to be another pedal 
> stroke at the bottom of that gaze. And, when the riding is easy, as I 
> mentioned above, breathing is a wonderful way to bring my attention to the 
> moment where brendanoid's 'constant birdsong' echos across Phillip's 
> 'gritty industrial streets' as my wheels spin effortlessly. 
>
> Cheers,
> John
> On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 4:07:55 PM UTC+9 Erik wrote:
>
>> An interesting thread.  I've been involved with Zen practice for a long 
>> time.  I'm fortunate to live the greater Bay Area, one of the places where 
>> Soto Zen first took root in America back in the 1950s and 60s as the Beat 
>> generation started attending services at local Japanese temples in pursuit 
>> of new experiences.  Between San Francisco Zen Center and all of the other 
>> temples and practices centers that branched off over the years around here, 
>> we have a lot of teachers and places to practice.  I've been a student at 
>> Sonoma Mountain Zen Center for many years now and have spent a lot of time 
>> sitting on a cushion and staring at the wall inside the zendo.
>>
>> A fundamental concept in Zen practice is that there is no distinction 
>> between sitting (zazen) and other activities. Zazen is just one way to 
>> bring your attention to the present moment.  A big part of the practice is 
>> that you approach and engage with every activity with the same energy as 
>> you do your sitting practice and that whatever you are doing should be done 
>> fully and completely.  When you sit, you sit.  When you walk, you walk. 
>>  When you rake, you rake, When you ride a bike, you ride a bike.   Even 
>> during intensive training periods, we intersperse zazen with walking 
>> meditation, work practice, cooking, cleaning, meals, and other tasks. 
>>  Sitting practice is only one part of a larger whole and the constant is 
>> the act of paying attention to whatever is in front of you at that moment. 
>>
>>
>> But without going down a practice discussion rabbit hole, I would say 
>> that riding a bike--particularly when I'm alone--requires attention that is 
>> akin to zazen.  It's one of the things that I have always loved about 
>> riding.  Zazen can be brutal.  It's just you and the cushion and the wall 
>> and your attention.  Nothing to distract you, even though your brain 
>> desperately wants something to feed it.  And so the focus on breathing, 
>> dropping thoughts, posture.  The need for this sort of focus comes up a lot 
>> when I'm riding.  
>>
>> Just today I was out riding and was climbing up a decent grade near my 
>> house and had to keep reminding myself that the only thing I need to focus 
>> on is the motion of my body and bike in each moment, THAT pedal stroke, 
>> THAT revolution of the wheels, etc.  My lungs were straining and I wanted 
>> to stop, but once I got into the rhythm of just paying attention to one 
>> moment at a time, my body settled down and I was able to keep climbing one 
>> pedal stroke at a time.  It's not much different from the experience of 
>> sitting through what feels like the 100th hour of zazen on a hot afternoon 
>> when your legs and back are aching, your arms feel like they are going to 
>> drop off, your thoughts are popping off and you are convinced that the 
>> timekeeper died or forgot to ring the bell...just returning your focus to 
>> the present breath, over and over again and all of the discomfort, anxiety 
>> and thinking will eventually go quiet and you can settle down into 
>> something deeper. Nothing lasts, everything changes.  It's a lot like 
>> riding in that way.  
>>
>> I'll end my long response now, but thanks for the opportunity to consider 
>> the connection between practice and biking again.   
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Heterodoxy — reconciling RBW with the mainstream

[Philip Barrett]

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 12:12:40 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> It is; it's the British term for a windbreaker, especially the old 
> fashioned type with only a half-zipper. The name is borrowed from that of 
> an Inuit garment of similar design, I believe.
>
> I think the extension of the meaning came about because fanatical steam 
> train or steam waggon viewers (steam trucks were used in Britain until the 
> 1960s or even 1970s and there are entertaining Youtube videos of steam 
> waggon fairs and steam traction engines and lorries holding up traffic on 
> narrow English roads) often wore these anoraks in England's wet, cold 
> climate. 
>
>
Partially correct, it's from the groups of men (trainspotters) who would 
collect locomotive numbers and stand clustered at the ends of station 
platforms in the wind & rain.  The anorak is also referred to as a kagoule.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Heterodoxy — reconciling RBW with the mainstream

[Philip Barrett]

This is a great conversation and reminds me of a maxim in my industry; 
"some people buy equipment so they can make music, others make music so 
they can buy equipment." Neither are wrong, both achieve satisfaction from 
their chosen path but the approaches are polar opposites.

What does worry me is that bicycling is going the way of the HiFi industry 
where "anoraks" who insist that you can't have good sound without $500 
cables have destroyed the middle ground for equipment and denied many the 
experience of quality home listening. You now have the high-end, high-$$ 
market & box systems from Costco with almost nothing between them.

If the bicycle industry continues to "innovate" to the point where the 
technology and price point drives away the more casual rider they will find 
themselves in the same position; selling expensive bikes to a stagnant 
market with the rest of the riding population buying from the big box 
stores.

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 12:47:53 AM UTC-6 divis...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> More specifically, "bloody bike anorak"; BBA for short.
>
> Peter "the backdoor invasion of CR nomenclature" Adler
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 10:37:20 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The technical term is "anorak."
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who gets a kick out of old fashioned Brit slang.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 11:12 AM Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>
>>> ... nerds ...
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: "Riding-a-bicycle Zen"

[Philip Barrett]

My "bicycle zen" is an incredibly important part of controlling stress 
around what can be a very demanding job. Sometimes it can take quite some 
time to get to the zen point but it does happen eventually, always.

I'm also a testament to the fact that you don't always need a calm external 
environment either. My typical route includes gritty industrial streets, 
huge pot holes, commercial trucks and a couple of homeless encampments (we 
wave at each other) yet the zen can still be gotten even here.

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> Nice!
>
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> On Feb 12, 2022, at 3:06 AM, brendonoid  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Riding a bicycle on my own in a forest and the quiet that isn't quiet at 
> all, but the constant birdsong, rustling of leaves and crunching of gravel 
> beneath tyre.
> About two hours in when my body has relaxed into the effort of it and the 
> rhythm of the pedaling has replaced the burbling inner monologue that fills 
> most of my waking hours.
> When the crunching and the pedaling and the euphoria of no thoughts at all 
> and this is why I ride a bicycle.
>
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Re: [RBW] Interesting front (or rear) rack from Tumbleweed Bikes

[Philip Barrett]

+1 on the T-Rack on my Kona ULTD bikepacking rig. Very nice piece of kit.

On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 7:55:38 AM UTC-6 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've got a T Rack on my bike packing bike for a anything Cage and Ortlieb 
> fork pack. Also strap a dry bag to the top. Can't believe there are not 
> more racks with 3 packs on them available in the market. 
>
> Pat DC
>
> On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 7:33:02 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Very interesting that Riv connection. I was very tempted to get the Mini 
>> Pannier also but had a store credit with Riv so ordered the Shiny rear. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 1:26 AM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I run their T-Rack on the front and Mini Pannier Rack on the rear of my 
>> bikepacking bike. Very functional racks since they have the anything cage 
>> mounts as well as braze-on’s for mounting lights.
>>
>>
>> Daniel from Tumbleweed worked for Riv at one time and that had some 
>> influence on the bikes he offers now.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 3:33 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> This one is not a svelte Nitto or other shiny rack. But it is a bit 
>> unique in that the vertical legs have the three threaded boss mounts to 
>> accept anything / manything cages or these OvejaNegra Bootlegger direct 
>> mount bags. It can also take some mini panniers. It is very easy to mount 
>> and is very well made. I plan to mount a Wald 137 basket and utilize a 
>> Tanglefoot Cycles Fifth Season Squall basket bag. Pics to follow... 
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Re: [RBW] Groups.Google

[Philip Barrett]

For various reasons, Facebook is not an option for some of us!

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 10:14:38 AM UTC-6 rickur...@gmail.com wrote:

> I don’t know why I didn’t think of FB! Thanks!
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2022, at 8:10 PM, Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:
>
> There is a FB group here - 
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/rbwownersbunch
>
> No buy/sell/trade. Emphasis on photos. 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 6:02:44 AM UTC-8 rickur...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I am able to understand and use the group as designed, thanks all.
>> My gripe is with the sheer awkwardness and HORRIBLE interface of google 
>> groups. If you’ve ever used Discord or Facebook groups you’ll know what I’m 
>> talking about. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 4:24:35 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> On Android: I look at the mobile website, then when I want to post I 
>>> click the 3 dots top right and go to Desktop Site. This brings up the reply 
>>> function. Not awesome but workable. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 5:57:42 AM UTC-8 rickur...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I love my Rivendell, and I love Rivendell owners! 
 But, I despise this Google group format! 
 I wish there was another way. I'm sure there is, I just don't know what 
 it is

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[RBW] Re: Platypus Questions

[Philip Barrett]

Good luck - spend the $ on the Rene Hearse whatever route you chose for a 
build. They really are a lovely smooth tire & run beautifully comfortable 
at around 45psi even on the horrendous potholed streets in my neighborhood.
On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 10:05:17 AM UTC-6 Rusty Click wrote:

> Thanks to all,
>
> It may be a tough sell as opposed to continued tinkering with the Treks 
> setup, but maybe, just maybe I can convince her to try the Riv.
>
> Roberta, I too, believe that the Platy will be a little heavier but with a 
> lighter build, it would fit her needs nicely.  She is strictly a bike 
> path/rail-trail rider and It would be "rolling weight", and a comfy ride. 
>  If we are ever out your way, I would love for her to take you up on a test 
> ride.  Future Riv Sister??
>
> Joe...Originally my Sam was racked and bagged up for touring that it 
> wasn't really meant for.  The Atlantis (62 MUSA) has since taken that roll, 
> and the Sam is on a diet, loosing the heavy back rack, basket, and soon the 
> wheelset and tires.  Then, I believe, it will be similar weight-wise to a 
> Platypus build that she would ride.
>
> Phillip...much appreciated points on weight saving choices as opposed to a 
> standard Riv build.  If this quest goes forward, I'll definitely refer to 
> these.  She rides with a Ortlieb handlebar bag and a small under seat bag 
> for repair needs...that's it.  ( I have to carry anything else, like 
> jackets and spare water bottles in a pannier)
>
>
> Rusty Click
> Pgh, PA
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 8:57:38 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Yes, a Platy should be on the lighter side, remember it's derived from 
>> the Cheviot which was kind of a droptube Hillborne road bike with road 
>> brakes. Grant changed the brakes and a couple frame details, but it still 
>> should be closer to Hillborne and Homer than the touring/fire roads 
>> category covered by Atlantis and Appaloosa. 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:48:39 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I don't mind a heavy-ish bike (I do own Rivendells, after all), but it 
>>> can be too heavy for me to lift onto a bike rack or over a log.  I never 
>>> weighed my Platy, but I built it up with lightish parts--Brevet rims, some 
>>> kind of Gravel King tires run tubeless, 1x with Garbaruk cassette (they 
>>> remove unneeded metal), SKS fenders and lighter Axiom rack.  One light 
>>> nylon bag.   I did spend "poundage" by installing a Brooks B68 and 
>>> Greenfield kickstand.   I can lift it, but it is heavier than my more bare 
>>> AHomerHilsen. 
>>>
>>> The *ride*, though, is light--light and breezy.  My old "lightened up" 
>>> Appaloosa probably weighed about the same, and it rode great, but not the 
>>> light and breezy ride of the Platy.
>>>
>>> If you're ever on the eastern side of the state, I'm in Philadelphia and 
>>> wouldn't mind letting your wife test my 55cm Platy.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 4:43:34 PM UTC-5 Rusty Click wrote:
>>>

 Another question...How much does the Platypus weigh?  When I see 
 pictures, especially of Leah's beautiful bike, it seems to be exactly what 
 my wife describes as the bike she wants.  When I offer to look for one to 
 replace the Tr*k we bought in desperation this past year, she says she 
 doesn't want that heavy of a bike.  She may be projecting my Atlantis and 
 Sam Hillborne builds onto the Platy.

 Rusty C.
 Pgh, PA
 On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 11:58:04 AM UTC-5 hugohal...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Any suggestions with regards to putting it on a work stand? For some 
> reason, it feels wobbly when I clamp the seat post, but I probably just 
> need to get used to it and trust that it will be okay.
>
> On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 5:45:07 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Hi, Hugo. 
>>
>> I'm so glad you're enjoying the ride of your bike.  Me, too! I had a 
>> stand (no kick.  you'd remove it when not in use) that attached to the 
>> rear 
>> axle.  While that worked perfect for my shorter chain stay Homer, there 
>> was 
>> too much weight in front and Platy would get tipsy.  I opted for the 
>> standard Greenfield single leg kickstand with the foot, so it wouldn't 
>> mar 
>> my floor.  Works perfectly.  <$20.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 4:19:59 PM UTC-5 hugohal...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone, I have been enjoying my 60cm Platypus since I received 
>>> it in October. On rides, I have been loving the extra long top tube, 
>>> however, it has made the bike unwieldy when it is in storage, on the 
>>> repair 
>>> stand or locked up. Anyone else having these issues? Anyone have any 
>>> suggestions for 1. a good kickstand, and 2. a good position on the 
>>> repair 
>>> stand? Thanks!
>>>
>>> As far as kickstands are concerned, I 

[RBW] Re: Platypus Questions

[Philip Barrett]

I'm with your wife here! Certainly not a weight-weenie but a lighter bike 
is more fun to ride, feels more lively and doesn't bum you out on the 
hills. My personal feeling is that around 28 to 30lbs built up gives you a 
sweet venn between a rideable weight with the parts you want and not 
spending a ludicrous sum.

The typical Rib factory builds are, to my mind, overly heavy and come in at 
around 28lbs, sans frameset! Those Kenda tires are 5lbs a set & the 
double-Silver crankset is 2.5lbs alone! Don't tell them I told you this but 
a 53cm Platypus frame & fork is 9lbs so you can work backwards from there.

Some helpful weight tips IMHO are;

   -  1x Crankset: if you don't need the ratios ditch the front derailleur 
   - I use the Silver as a single with a Wolf-Tooth 42 ring, 11-34 on the 
   rear, saves weight & money
   - Lightweight tires: I'm running the Rene Hearse Loup Loup (650b) at 
   just over 1.5lbs for the pair with the standard casing, Jan is a tire 
   evangelist and albeit pricey, he builds fantastic rubber
   - Wheels: good, light wheels make all the difference in the world (less 
   rotational mass) - a set of mid-line Velocity wheels (another great 
   company) will save you 1.5lbs over the Hands-On typically supplied with a 
   Rivendell build

All said & done, my Platypus is 29lbs with a Nitto front rack & Wald 
basket, Brooks saddle & a small pouch for a tube & repair kit. Yes I could 
go lower but the cost/benefit ratio then begins to tip drastically.
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 3:43:34 PM UTC-6 Rusty Click wrote:

>
> Another question...How much does the Platypus weigh?  When I see pictures, 
> especially of Leah's beautiful bike, it seems to be exactly what my wife 
> describes as the bike she wants.  When I offer to look for one to replace 
> the Tr*k we bought in desperation this past year, she says she doesn't want 
> that heavy of a bike.  She may be projecting my Atlantis and Sam Hillborne 
> builds onto the Platy.
>
> Rusty C.
> Pgh, PA
> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 11:58:04 AM UTC-5 hugohal...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Any suggestions with regards to putting it on a work stand? For some 
>> reason, it feels wobbly when I clamp the seat post, but I probably just 
>> need to get used to it and trust that it will be okay.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 5:45:07 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Hugo. 
>>>
>>> I'm so glad you're enjoying the ride of your bike.  Me, too! I had a 
>>> stand (no kick.  you'd remove it when not in use) that attached to the rear 
>>> axle.  While that worked perfect for my shorter chain stay Homer, there was 
>>> too much weight in front and Platy would get tipsy.  I opted for the 
>>> standard Greenfield single leg kickstand with the foot, so it wouldn't mar 
>>> my floor.  Works perfectly.  <$20.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 4:19:59 PM UTC-5 hugohal...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Everyone, I have been enjoying my 60cm Platypus since I received it 
 in October. On rides, I have been loving the extra long top tube, however, 
 it has made the bike unwieldy when it is in storage, on the repair stand 
 or 
 locked up. Anyone else having these issues? Anyone have any suggestions 
 for 
 1. a good kickstand, and 2. a good position on the repair stand? Thanks!

 As far as kickstands are concerned, I did try the single leg kick stand 
 that came with my Big Dummy long tail cargo bike, however, it did not 
 work. 
 The Big Dummy's extra length is in the extra long chain stay whereas the 
 Platypus's extra length is in every part of the geometry being stretched 
 out. I also purchased a Pletscher twin kickstand, however it appears that 
 the kickstand plate on the Platypus is built only for a single kick stand. 
 Has anyone had any luck getting the twin on the Platypus, or should I just 
 shell out and get one of the recommended kickstands from Riv? If so, does 
 someone recommend a specific model for the Platypus?

 Thanks! - HH 

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[RBW] Re: Platypus Questions

[Philip Barrett]

Even my lightened Platypus is close to the limit of the Park folding stand, 
it's much about the length as anything else but add in the extra 5-8lbs of 
the typical Riv build up and you're really pushing it.

On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 4:22:42 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> As long as the seatpost is tight in the frame and the clamp is tight on 
> the post you should be good. My very long Platy-ish custom is the same way 
> in my Park stand, those wheels are wa out there and you're going to get 
> a rocking effect when working on it. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 8:58:04 AM UTC-8 hugohal...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Any suggestions with regards to putting it on a work stand? For some 
>> reason, it feels wobbly when I clamp the seat post, but I probably just 
>> need to get used to it and trust that it will be okay.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 5:45:07 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Hugo. 
>>>
>>> I'm so glad you're enjoying the ride of your bike.  Me, too! I had a 
>>> stand (no kick.  you'd remove it when not in use) that attached to the rear 
>>> axle.  While that worked perfect for my shorter chain stay Homer, there was 
>>> too much weight in front and Platy would get tipsy.  I opted for the 
>>> standard Greenfield single leg kickstand with the foot, so it wouldn't mar 
>>> my floor.  Works perfectly.  <$20.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 4:19:59 PM UTC-5 hugohal...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Everyone, I have been enjoying my 60cm Platypus since I received it 
 in October. On rides, I have been loving the extra long top tube, however, 
 it has made the bike unwieldy when it is in storage, on the repair stand 
 or 
 locked up. Anyone else having these issues? Anyone have any suggestions 
 for 
 1. a good kickstand, and 2. a good position on the repair stand? Thanks!

 As far as kickstands are concerned, I did try the single leg kick stand 
 that came with my Big Dummy long tail cargo bike, however, it did not 
 work. 
 The Big Dummy's extra length is in the extra long chain stay whereas the 
 Platypus's extra length is in every part of the geometry being stretched 
 out. I also purchased a Pletscher twin kickstand, however it appears that 
 the kickstand plate on the Platypus is built only for a single kick stand. 
 Has anyone had any luck getting the twin on the Platypus, or should I just 
 shell out and get one of the recommended kickstands from Riv? If so, does 
 someone recommend a specific model for the Platypus?

 Thanks! - HH 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Inventory

[Philip Barrett]

Remember that extending their credit line out too far nearly cost Rivendell 
everything a few years back.

The world is waking up to "sensible" riding and the likes of Grant & Jan 
(Rene Hearse) are at the forefront of the movement, but both are small 
operations and severely limited in their ability to stock what are variable 
sized products (bikes & clothing). I expect to see the big brands catch up 
soon enough & then your needs can be met by their massive supply chain of 
offshore manufacturing.

On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 8:28:57 AM UTC-6 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:

> As a former *small* shop owner, the only way we existed was "at-once" 
> ordering and availability.  The fact that a reliable supply chain is all 
> but gone means the small folks are losing money and frustrating customers.
>
> If you believe in small business owners I'd say grapple with the fact that 
> small business and cash flow is just a reality; now made 1000x more intense 
> by COVID/supply chain realities.
>
> Cash flow issues were omnipresent for small retail operations.  It's a 
> full-on epidemic with the supply chain issues piled on.
>
> Buy early buy often if you want Riv to stick aroundunless you want 
> Trek/Specialized branded stores and Amazon to be your only options.
>
> On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 3:04:26 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Based on a conversation with Will several months ago I know they have 
>> placed multiple orders with Nitto for things like the FacePlater stems and 
>> they are just not coming.  He said they are placed multiple orders spread 
>> out over months for the same items, anticipating the demand when they do 
>> eventually start receiving them.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 7:27:32 AM UTC-8 fraze...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nailed it Paul!! 
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> "Think of bicycles as rideable art that can just about save the world." 
>>> - Grant Petersen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 7:13 AM Paul Clifton  wrote:
>>>
 This response may sound a little harsh, but I don't mean to be harsh. 
 It's a frustrating situation for all these days and a bummer when it's 
 hard 
 to buy things we want.
 ---
 Along with what others are saying, it probably also has to do with what 
 they can get right now. They order MUSA clothing from a small shop in New 
 Hampshire (I think). That shop has multiple customers, and some production 
 capacity to balance, and who knows what the raw materials and labor 
 situation there is. QBP can't even keep hubs in stock. How is Riv going to 
 get any priority from suppliers when their order quantities are fractions 
 of most companies?

 Combine that with increased demand - for lots of good reasons in Rivs 
 case - their products and brand are becoming more and more well known and 
 desirable - and you end up with out of stock stuff. It's a bummer, but I 
 don't think Riv can do too much about it - otherwise they'd be selling 
 more 
 bikes and employing more people.

 And when Riv does stock up on stuff (like they did for the retail 
 store), it ends up sitting on the shelves and putting them in a tough 
 spot. 
 It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, so IMO choosing 
 "don't" has a lot of supporting arguments.

 Will's restock emails are an interesting peak into how often they get 
 orders from different suppliers, and stuff just doesn't seem to be rolling 
 in frequently or in large quantities.

 Paul in AR

 On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 8:04:32 PM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> Covid has wreaked havoc on the bicycle industry as well as many 
> others. Supply Chain is the latest phrase we all know too well these 
> days. 
> But, Rivendell needs in my humble non-business owner opinion to buy more 
> inventory. I seem to remember they like to pay for all purchases without 
> using a credit line and that seems reasonable at first thought. But, I 
> think they would increase sales to a large extent if they would bring in 
> more product. A case in point are the knickers that went up for sale and 
> sold out in two days! Brass headset spacers are rarely available. The 
> list 
> goes on.
>
> Just a thought I had as I was ready to buy a pair of knickers to no 
> avail.
> Doug
> Athens, Ga
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Re: [RBW] Creaky Creaks?

[Philip Barrett]

Good luck, I have a Nitto S83 seat post so being a dual-bolt it was able to 
become quite loose without any noticeable changes to riding position.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 4:01:22 PM UTC-6 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:

>
> Great info here.I just notice some creaky creaks on my Platy while 
> riding last weekend.  It's been too wet and chilly for me to get back out 
> and check it and it is waiting for me in my garage for diagnosis.  I will 
> check all of the above.   Thanks for all the advice.
> Kate in New Jersey
>
> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 7:01:28 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Had a lovely evening ride tonight in blissful silence. It was the seat 
>> rails!
>>
>> Thanks for all the great suggestions, not so obvious solution.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 4:13:41 PM UTC-6 spencer robinson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was chasing a creak on my Sam last year, it was driving me nuts, the 
>>> creak was on every cycle of the cranks, I pulled the crank arms, checked 
>>> the bottom bracket, greased and reinstalled the crank arms, swapped out the 
>>> pedals, still creaking. Greased the seatpost.
>>> Actually replaced the bottom bracket, creak still there….turned out to 
>>> be the rear axle moving ever so slightly in the drop-out,. I cleaned and 
>>> reinstalled the quick release and the noise was gone. 
>>> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 4:28:18 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> As was advised and you may want to double-check, make sure there's 
>>>> grease in the seattube. Of course it may just be a new Brooks breaking in 
>>>> (if you have one), those saddles used to drive me crazy until I adopted 
>>>> the 
>>>> same position as minor rattles in my car: "Yep, that happens."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 11:31:29 AM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Pedals are MKS but already checked and running fine. I have had the 
>>>>> shoelace issue before though!
>>>>>
>>>>> I did the seatpost (which was tight) and the saddle clamp (which 
>>>>> wasn't particularly) so will try & get out for a test ride before my 
>>>>> positive COVID test from this morning kicks in!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 1:19:32 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that you mention it, yes, I've had pedals cause this sort of 
>>>>>> elusive cadence-related creaking or, in my case, more of a clicking. 
>>>>>> In this case it was a pair of ancient Dura Ace SPD pedals, and I 
>>>>>> solved the problem by regreasing them (simply unscrewed body from 
>>>>>> bearing core, filled bearing space in body with grease, shoved 
>>>>>> bearing/spindle core back in and tightened down: Robert 
>>>>>> Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury's yer uncle! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One more tangential but wholly not-unrelated incident: I acquired a 
>>>>>> sudden, rhythmic "click" while pedaling one particular bike, and 
>>>>>> could 
>>>>>> not find the source. After long fretting, I tripped over the reason: 
>>>>>> the aiglet on the slightly too-long lace of my left SPD shoe -- which 
>>>>>> I had just started wearing in preference to the Velcro shoes I 
>>>>>> usually 
>>>>>> wore -- was hitting the dt water bottle cage. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:48 AM Ryan  wrote: 
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> > or pedals if they're MKS ...had this happen to me twice 
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> > On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 12:36:01 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore 
>>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>> >> I know, it seems very unlikely, but I've found bars and seatposts 
>>>>>> to cause this sort of creak after long and anguished searches, and much 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> my surprise. 
>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>> >> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 11:27 AM Philip Barrett <
>>>>>> philipr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>> >>> BB was installed by Rivendell and looks to be typical of t

Re: [RBW] Creaky Creaks?

[Philip Barrett]

BB was installed by Rivendell and looks to be typical of their high quality 
work.

You know I thought seatpost, then thought...nah...but actually that does 
make sense. Hex head in hand now.



On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 12:24:47 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Victor may well be right in his diagnosis, but just in case, because I've 
> found them myself to cause elusive creaks that occured in time to pedaling 
> rhythm.
>
> 1. If the creak occurs while seated, try tightening or greasing the mating 
> interfaces of the seatpost in the frame and the seatpost cradle.
>
> 2. Try tightening the handlebar clamp, or grease the bar-to-bar-clamp 
> interface.
>
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 10:53 AM Philip Barrett  
> wrote:
>
>> Trying to diagnose a problem here, there's a creak when I apply a more 
>> powerful stroke on the Platypus. It sounds like it's coming from the bottom 
>> bracket area but of course, hard to tell when I'm riding. If I'm just 
>> spinning along it doesn't appear. 
>>
>> So far I've checked the bottom bracket (tight & smooth), tightened up 
>> crank arms & chainring bolts and basically gone through the rest of the 
>> bike checking for anything loose but the problem persists & maybe even 
>> getting a little worse.
>>
>> Any ideas?
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[RBW] Creaky Creaks?

[Philip Barrett]

Trying to diagnose a problem here, there's a creak when I apply a more 
powerful stroke on the Platypus. It sounds like it's coming from the bottom 
bracket area but of course, hard to tell when I'm riding. If I'm just 
spinning along it doesn't appear. 

So far I've checked the bottom bracket (tight & smooth), tightened up crank 
arms & chainring bolts and basically gone through the rest of the bike 
checking for anything loose but the problem persists & maybe even getting a 
little worse.

Any ideas?

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Re: [RBW] Bike to Ride 70 Miles On

[Philip Barrett]

I've seen your friends on those Townies a number of times at WWL, aways do 
a smile & a wave.
On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 7:48:54 AM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:

> Good on you guys! made my day!
>
> I turn 70 next December (2022)...maybe I'll make that a goal! I'm sure 
> your wife and her friend were glad you came along. If I was doing something 
> like this, I'd want company too...and it doesn't matter how long it takes. 
> Ideally I'd do some kind of out-and-back  into the wind in the AM and 
> tailwind for the PM but sometimes it doesn't work out that way. I'd have to 
> work up to it , though
>
> Yes, Rivs are fine bikes. I'd probably use my Road with drop bars...my 
> other ones have moustache and choco; after 50 miles I'm missing drop bars.
>
> But enough about me...congratulations to all of you!
>
> Ryan in Winnipeg
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 11:00:06 PM UTC-6 Lucky wrote:
>
>> That’s rad!
>> Those Electra pedal-forward bikes have kept my in laws able to bike into 
>> their 70’s.
>> My mom finally overcame her personal feelings associated with trikes, and 
>> bought one last year (her balance is poor following an injury). Now she 
>> rides that trike whenever the weather allows and just loves having the 
>> option to bike.
>> I agree, if you’re comfortable on a bicycle the only limit to how far you 
>> can ride it is your own endurance. 
>> Happy Birthday to your wife!
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2021, at 20:51, st nick  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> What bike would you pick to ride 70 miles?
>>
>> Some of you probably regularly do that distance.
>>
>> My regular range is 20 to 40 miles.
>>
>> It's been a long time since I rode 70 miles and I was a much younger 
>> fellow.
>>
>> I think about any Rivendell model is up to the task.
>>
>> Of course a lot depends on the rider and if they are up to the task.
>>
>> Some might choose their lightest and/or fastest bike.
>>
>> I pose this question to see what people think and there will likely be a 
>> lot of different view points about it.
>>
>> I learned something today.
>> A bike one wouldn't necessarily think would be a good candidate for that 
>> mileage can still work.
>>
>> My wife and her good friend decided they wanted to make a 70 mile attempt 
>> today to celebrate my wife turning 70.
>>
>> I'm along for the ride and mechanical support if needed.
>>
>> I admit was a bit skeptical as they haven't been doing a great deal of 
>> riding the last few months  perhaps in the range of 30 or so per week.
>>
>> Heck, I didn't even know if I could make it that far.
>>
>> Also they have comfort style Electra  Townie and Trek Pure bikes. (Very 
>> similar...I think Trek bought Electra) not exactly light weights. They have 
>> that pedal forward design in which the bottom bracket and crank are 3 or so 
>> inches forward of the seat tube.
>>
>> This allows a rider to have their saddle at the correct height but put 
>> their foot on the ground without getting off the saddle. 
>>
>> Cool design for certain riders, I think, especially older people of which 
>> our group of 3 are getting into that category.
>>
>>
>> One is geared 1x7 and one a 2x7 and both have grip shifts.
>>
>> I should have probably taken my Sam Hillbourne but we needed a basket to 
>> carry stuff so I grabbed my 1990 Miele mtb I had converted to urban cruiser 
>> and grocery getter. It's very comfortable and has a pretty relaxed 
>> geometry. 
>>
>> I think around 40 miles was my previous longest distance on it.
>>
>> I keep all 3 bicycles pretty well maintained. 
>>
>> It started out at around 40 degrees and we had to layer up for the start 
>> and have somewhere to carry layers we would take off later in the day as 
>> well as snacks and extra water.
>>
>> Well , we made it 73 miles on those bikes.
>>
>> It took practically all day as we only averaged 10.3 mph ,so around 7 
>> hours ride time and around 2 or a bit more hours down time for lunch and 4 
>> or 5 breaks.
>>
>> Gosh, this is long.
>>
>> We are all exhausted and exhilarated and a bit giddy we actually did it 
>> being our age and I'm a year older.
>>
>> I'm feeling blessed to still be able to do it.
>>
>> Slow riders on not fast bikes and perhaps not optimum bikes can still do 
>> it.
>> Time and determination are key  I think.
>>
>> Safe riding, 
>>
>> Paul in Dallas
>>
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[RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[Philip Barrett]

Both of your albums are available to download on MP3Fiesta.com 
- https://mp3fiesta.com/search/?text=garcia+grisman

Before you scream scam site, I cannot attest to the copyright legality of 
MP3 Fiesta (they're based in Russia) but I have been using them for nearly 
2 decades (they pre-dated iTunes) and have never had an issue with billing 
& even the very few times I got a corrupted download they responded 
immediately to rectify.

On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 11:43:45 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:

> Most of my music is ripped from physical CDs, of which I must have 
> somewhere around 1000, but I have purchased some recordings via iTunes. 
> Once I have the music files downloaded in iTunes, I back them up a) to my 
> media server, and b) to my phone, and I play them either from the media 
> server - my Marantz amp can stream digital files from the server - or I use 
> the Foobar2000 app on  the phone to play them, either through BT headphones 
> or through the car music system. So even if Apple and iTunes vanish from 
> the face of the earth (one can only hope), I will still be able to play the 
> files.
>
> Nick
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[RBW] Re: FS: MUSA shorts (5) and pants (1) LOT

[Philip Barrett]

Guess I was too slow...

On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 12:52:08 PM UTC-5 Gary L wrote:

> Hi Eric,
>
> Just PM'd you about #4 and 6.
>
> Thanks,
> gary
>
> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 3:51:39 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 00A.JPG][image: 00B.JPG]
>>
>>
>> Up for sale, five pair of Rivendell MUSA shorts and one pair of MUSA 
>> pants. All are size medium except for one black pair of shorts which are 
>> size large. $300 for the lot plus shipping to you from 22401. Payment via 
>> Venmo or PayPal Friends & Family. 
>>
>> More pics are here on google drive. 
>> 
>>
>> 01. Green, size large. Reflectors on the back, all buttons and belt 
>> intact. Some scuffs as shown from crashing while wearing these. 
>>
>> 02. Black, size medium. Reflectors on the back, all buttons and belt 
>> intact. 
>>
>> 03. Blue-gray, size medium. With navy blue gussets. All buttons intact. 
>> Please note tie-off nylon belt. These are heavier weight nylon that the 
>> rest of the shorts and pants in the lot. 
>>
>> 04. Blue-gray, size medium. With navy blue gussets. All buttons 
>> intact. Please note tie-off nylon belt. These are heavier weight nylon that 
>> the rest of the shorts and pants in the lot. 
>>
>> 05. Butternut / tan, size medium. With green gussets. Belt is missing! 
>> Buttons intact. Adjustable leg cuff with velcro closure. 
>>
>> 06. Butternut / tan, size medium. With green gussets. Buttons intact. 
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: MUSA shorts (5) and pants (1) LOT

[Philip Barrett]

I'm interested in the Mediums (not the butternut) if available & you're 
willing to split?

On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 8:13:53 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> PMs sent, Thomas and Matthew. Thanks. 
>
> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 7:05:15 PM UTC-4 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> Hi Eric,
>> If splitting and Thomas takes Large ...
>> I'm a Medium and would be happy to grab #2 and #5
>> Maybe #3 or 4 or 6 as an alternate.
>> Thank you
>> -Matthew
>> San Diego - Kumeyaay land
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 2:48:07 PM UTC-7 Thomas B wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Eric,
>>>
>>> Not sure if you'll entertain splitting things up, but I'd like to buy 
>>> the size L shorts. Are they black or green? I couldn't tell from the post.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Thomas
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 12:51:39 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: 00A.JPG][image: 00B.JPG]


 Up for sale, five pair of Rivendell MUSA shorts and one pair of MUSA 
 pants. All are size medium except for one black pair of shorts which are 
 size large. $300 for the lot plus shipping to you from 22401. Payment via 
 Venmo or PayPal Friends & Family. 

 More pics are here on google drive. 
 

 01. Green, size large. Reflectors on the back, all buttons and belt 
 intact. Some scuffs as shown from crashing while wearing these. 

 02. Black, size medium. Reflectors on the back, all buttons and belt 
 intact. 

 03. Blue-gray, size medium. With navy blue gussets. All buttons intact. 
 Please note tie-off nylon belt. These are heavier weight nylon that the 
 rest of the shorts and pants in the lot. 

 04. Blue-gray, size medium. With navy blue gussets. All buttons 
 intact. Please note tie-off nylon belt. These are heavier weight nylon 
 that 
 the rest of the shorts and pants in the lot. 

 05. Butternut / tan, size medium. With green gussets. Belt is missing! 
 Buttons intact. Adjustable leg cuff with velcro closure. 

 06. Butternut / tan, size medium. With green gussets. Buttons intact. 





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[RBW] Re: Rad article on NYC delivery workers

[Philip Barrett]

In the 80's I worked as a motorcycle delivery courier (despatch rider in 
the UK parlance) - brutal & dangerous work but on a bike you can at least 
out run traffic. I can't imagine doing this on a bicycle, electric or 
otherwise.

On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 8:40:15 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Completely captivating. Just wow. I was horrified and ensconced. Great 
> photos. REAL bike life. I wish there was more that could be done for those 
> NY delivery workers. The thieves were extraordinarily brazen - you usually 
> expect them to give up when confronted - but some of them became murderers 
> when challenged. I wasn’t expecting that. Thanks for that article, Eric. 
> Really enjoyed learning about the NY delivery workers. 
>
> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 7:01:36 PM UTC-7 WilletM wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for sharing the link!  I've been absolutely mesmerized watching 
>> the bike messenger gathering spots on Market St during visits to SF over 
>> the last twenty years.  Between the bikes and the bags and the tattoos and 
>> the clothing, there is a very humbling lesson for me that THEY are the real 
>> deal and that I am the poser/gaper who tries to furtively steal a glance as 
>> I walk past.
>>
>> On the bright side, the whole messenger/courier subculture did motivate 
>> me to begin collecting messenger bags and packs 15 or 20 years ago, and I 
>> do combine that love for messenger gear with my all-things-bicycle 
>> infatuation and it makes for a great way to chill and enjoy after a hard 
>> day of work in the real world.
>>
>> Willet M.
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 12:57:53 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A long piece on the insanely hard-working bicycle delivery people in 
>>> NYC. Terrible wages, robberies, stabbings, lack of worker protections. They 
>>> all ride electric Arrow bikes but you don't have to tell your friction 
>>> shifters. Great read and excellent photos by Philip Montgomery. 
>>>
>>> https://www.curbed.com/article/nyc-delivery-workers.html
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Any former paper boys (or girls) on this list?

[Philip Barrett]

I was a paperboy in the UK and the idea of doing it by car was as foreign 
to us as the moon. Since every paper had to be delivered through the 
"letterbox" (no throwing on pathways or lawns) you did this on foot in all 
weathers. Part of the job involved sorting the papers for each house before 
heading out too, Friday's were the worst as everyone took the local weekly 
as well as their regular. Helped me pay for my first "real" bike though, a 
beautiful Peugeot 10 speed.

My cat used to wait for me on the corner & then walk my route with me. He 
was quite a character.

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 8:02:10 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> I was a paper boy in 7th through 9th grades for the Daytona Beach 
> News-Journal.  Morning, Evening, Saturday and Sunday deliveries. We moved 
> halfway through 8th grade and I was able to switch routes. I still remember 
> the route numbers from 50 years ago. My 1st route, 39C5, had about 40 
> customers when I started and about 60 when I left due to the construction 
> of a new apartment building. My 2nd route, 15A, had over 200 customers. I 
> delivered off of my trusty Schwinn Sting-Ray, blue with two speed kickback 
> Bendix coaster brake hub with front handbrake and cable driven speedometer. 
> On my 1st route I used only a front canvas paper delivery bag. On the 2nd 
> route, I added a set of wire baskets (probably Wald) slung over the banana 
> seat. I wrapped the metal supports (intended for a rack) with rope to 
> preserve the seat. That paper route paid for several bikes - Schwinn 
> Suburban 10 speed (stolen), Schwinn Varsity Sport, Schwinn Super Sport 
> (fillet brazed chrome-moly frame with aluminum rims - stolen) and a used 
> Gitane Tour de France - Reynolds 531 frame, Campagnolo Tipo hubs, 
> Campagnolo derailleurs and shifters, Vittoria silk sew-ups - I paid the 
> "insane" price of $240 for it, but that included leather Rivat clip-on 
> shoes that actually fit my wide feet, leather and mesh cycling gloves, and 
> a silver, red & blue Zefal frame pump`held on with a Campagnolo peg clip - 
> I still have the peg clip.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach, FL
>
> On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 9:11:33 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Dave Moulton has an interesting little post on his blog today about 
>> the disappearance of the paper boy. I don't recall ever having seen 
>> one except (always!) in movies, but then we lived when I was a boy in 
>> the US in what was still a semi rural area, and the rest of the time 
>> overseas. All the newspaper deliverers I've seen have been middle aged 
>> people in cars. 
>>
>> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2021/9/6/the-newspaper-boy.html 
>>
>> I do recall working followup for the 1990 census on a bike! (I did 
>> similar work for the 1980 census in my car in a very rural part of NW 
>> Georgia; now that was interesting -- like Deliverance except that the 
>> people were very nice, even though I was -- to them -- a Yankee 
>> Oriental who was asking way too many personal questions.) 
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Marin Larkspur - any thoughts?

[Philip Barrett]

I've been saying...we're the next big thing!

Just like "gravel" - first the boutique custom brands, then the mid levels 
& finally the Treks, Giant & Specialized of this world. Standby for Trek 
ads extolling the beauty of lugged steel.

On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 5:32:47 AM UTC-5 john...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Abe,
>
> The Kona Coco looks like a good option, I like the 47mm tyres which are a 
> good size for gravel riding. There are a few Kona dealers near me too.
>
> Your Nishiki would be eaxctly what I'd do if I could find one! Perfect 
> colour and lugged frame and fork too. I've never seen one of the 
> three-pulley suntour derailleurs, except on the Disraeili gears site. Does 
> it work in practice?
>
> Like I say, higher end step through MTBs like your Nishiki are near 
> impossible to find here. Koga-Miyata did a couple of nice models, the 
> Heartbreaker and Terrarunner I think, but I've not seen one for sale 
> lately. I'll keep looking though.
>
> I think the Larkspur would cover most of what we want from a bike so if I 
> got one of those I wouldn't need to do a resto project, even though that's 
> always fun :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Johnny
>
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 at 21:16, Pancake  wrote:
>
>> I've been looking at the Larkspur as a possible ride for my wife for the 
>> same reasons (and because it comes in a small enough size for her): wide 
>> 650b tire clearance, steel, step-through, 1x11 with 38t chainring by 11-51t 
>> cassette (or 1x10 on the Larkspur 1 with the same 38x11-51t), even comes 
>> with nice enough tires. Could take or leave disc brakes but the Shimano 
>> deore hydraulics are good (the Larkspur 1 with Tektro low end hydraulics 
>> are ... fine, not great).  These have been hard to find in stock (and 
>> impossible to find used, likely a good sign). Unfortunately, between 2020 
>> and 2022 the price has jumped substantially (the Larkspur 2 was $929 back 
>> then, $1,199 now without changes to justify the cost increase, appears to 
>> be related to supply and demand). That took it from a great value to a good 
>> value in my book. 
>>
>> We ended up getting a Kona Coco which is similar to the Larkspur 1 but in 
>> aluminum (and significantly lower price, used [very little from what I can 
>> tell] on craigslist for $500). When our kiddos are a little older and we 
>> can go on longer rides together *then *I'll be looking for a used Clem L 
>> or Larkspur. In the mean time the wide tires and lower pressure are making 
>> up the difference for a comfy ride. 
>>
>> That said, I like your 'find a used mixte and build it up as a poor 
>> person's riv' idea ... perhaps mostly because I'm currently in that same 
>> project with a Nishiki Bel Air ;-) This will be for my dad who, after 80 
>> years, prefers a lower step through/over. 
>> *Notice that THREE pulley rear derailer!* 
>> [image: IMG_7421.jpg]
>> *Notice that THREE pulley rear derailer 
>> !*
>>  Sugino 
>> VP triple crank, clearance for *maybe *2" wide 26" tires, MKS pedals, a 
>> nice setback seatpost hidden by being lowered all the way here, color 
>> matched stem, power ratchet Suntour friction shifters (not exactly but 
>> similar to the Silver shifter precursor), and nice Dia Compe brakes/levers. 
>> Steel and lugs and such. Happy with this find that seems to have spent 20 
>> years resting in a basement. Already cleaned everything and removed some 
>> rust pitting, new cables/housing, trued the wheels (tension meter at 22 on 
>> the front, rear is 25 drive side and 17 non-drive side), a lubed/greased 
>> parts as I find them. Stem's original red grease was still in great 
>> condition, brake pads were barely worn so I think it's got very few miles 
>> ... so far.
>>
>> Good luck on your search, the Larkspur will be great but the used 
>> restomod is another fun option ... do both!
>>
>> Abe
>>
>> On Monday, 23 August 2021 at 05:08:00 UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> stell frame, lots of clearance and 650B wheels seems like a nice setup. 
>>> I never rode one but my guess is that it could be a great bike if your wife 
>>> is comfortable on it. The 1x setup is pretty good with a wide range of 
>>> gears and they are using a sunrace cassette which have better gearing than 
>>> Shimano does.
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 8:01:15 AM UTC-4 john...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hello all,

 My LBS has a Marin Larkspur 2 in stock. When I saw it in the shop, my 
 first thought 
 was that it's a knock-off of the Clem-L or Platypus. 

 https://www.marinbikes.com/bikes/family/larkspur

 I'm interested in this bike because my wife has expressed an interest 
 in gravel riding/easy mountain biking, and this looks like a relatively 
 accessible way to get into it. A Rivendell isn't really feasible due to us 
 being in Belgium, the way Rivs sell out within minutes of going online, 
 etc. etc. 

Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

Rode the Platy late this afternoon, temperatures were hitting the triple 
digits, the wind out of the South felt like you'd opened the oven door to 
check on the pie and I was soaked through with sweat. At one point I looked 
down & saw that curly heart cut in the head tube lug and it made me smile 
for the rest of the ride.

That's all there is to this story but I wanted to share anyway.

On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 1:21:30 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Emily, this is so cool 
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 10:40:11 AM UTC-7 Emily Guise wrote:
>
>> My Platypus has earned my cat’s approval-she sleeps under it all the time!
>>
>> -Emily
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 6:28 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> I’m interested in Cheviot vs Platy ride differences, too! So glad you 
>> got your Platys, Sam and Roberta. Keep those photos coming.
>>
>>
>> I love this thread; I hope it continues with Platypodes in perpetuity. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 14, 2021, at 9:43 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>>
>> Welcome back, Sam.  I'm sure it'll be great.  I'm very curious how you 
>> feel about the ride Platy vs Chev.  The Platy in my 55cm size has a 2 inch 
>> longer wheelbase!  I have to be careful moving mine around my living room, 
>> but I think it makes up for that with the ride.  I had considered a Chev in 
>> the past.
>>
>> On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 10:47:09 PM UTC-4 CoalTrain wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy folks. After a three year Rivendell hiatus, the last bike was a 
>>> Cheviot, I managed to find one 60cm Platypus up north at C Cyclery in 
>>> Quebec. It arrived today and is being frame saved and tanned out back. 
>>> Can't wait to build it up! The green matches great with my mustard Crust 
>>> Romancuer! I love that Riv finally did a Mixte with Canti studs.  -Sam
>>>
>>> [image: tempImage4J342J.bmp]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 9:20:08 PM UTC-5 joseph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Tom, 
 I think its a great use of space.  I do a 48oz bottle in the same place 
 as your pump, 64oz bottle down low and 140oz bladder in framebag along 
 with 
 all necessary tools for long tours.  I recently added some Honjo Flat 80's 
 (not pictured) and the 48oz still fits
 [image: IMG_7105.jpg]


 On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 11:46:49 AM UTC-5 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'll be here all week.
>
> On Jun 10, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
> 
>
> "Like a Riv-Nut?"
>
> ba-dum c
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 8:33 AM Jared Wilson  wrote:
>
>> Like a Riv-Nut?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 10, 2021, at 8:32 AM, Jon Dukeman  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Your local bike shop should have the tool and bosses to do that. They 
>> drill a hole and install the bosses like a pop rivet only better.
>> Jon
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 8:50 AM Jason Fuller  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been wishing Riv would put water bottle bosses back there on 
>>> frames that a bottle would fit, ie the Appaloosa!  I think it's a great 
>>> use 
>>> of space 
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 6:12 PM Tom  wrote:
>>>
 Ok, I added a bottle mount for my pump in the rear triangle. I used 
 the VO water bottle clamps.  Thoughts? Dumb idea?  Pictures 
 https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lY7JGXQ2YdMN5OKLv3Tr3c0tCQCgEEDz

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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for a Part!

[Philip Barrett]

Thanks!

Right now it's really to start taking on work trips with me & this way I 
can carry my laptop & stuff easily to & from venues & hotels without being 
Mr. Sweaty Back when I get there.

But I do have a mad idea involving the TransAmerica Trail and a Brompton. 
*wink*



On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 1:39:21 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:

> phillip, seems like you got big plans/adventures planned for your 
> brompton!  
>
> fyi, this approach of using a stem on the seatpost is exactly how berthoud 
> mounts their cages for their bigger seat bags!
>
> On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 2:00:54 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Well done!
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 11:53 AM Philip Barrett  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A short stroll down the shopping aisles at Amazon and we have a 
>>> solution. Short stem, seatpost & some rubber feed that fit nice & tight 
>>> without needing to glue so can be removed. Total investment >$25!
>>>
>>> Thanks for all the suggestions folks, they're what led me to this. 
>>> Waiting on Aliexpress for a titanium rack so loose fit up for now.
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20210820_170350239.jpg]
>>> [image: PXL_20210820_170435931.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 9:57:03 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you read the article from which the photo appears it is indeed 
>>>> simply a wooden dowel strapped to the Brooks saddle loops. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cyclingabout.com/carrying-luggage-on-a-folding-bike-brompton-tern-dahon/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cyclingabout.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Brompton-Hiking-Pack.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 6:45:17 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I know this picture is a Brompton but it shows the part I'm looking 
>>>>> for & can't seem to find and don't even know what it's called. Maybe some 
>>>>> crowdsourcing can help me?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking for the seatpost mounted (or seat mounted) bar or strut 
>>>>> that would allow to attach a backpack as shown. The Nitto R50 really 
>>>>> wouldn't work for this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: 8062173316_893012265a_h.jpg]
>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: My Junk, Your Score!

[Philip Barrett]

Thanks to all who PM'd me, here's what's left;

Portland Design Works Origami and Soda Pop fender sets with hardware - $20 
for both

Fizik Antares White Kuim Regular saddle - $30

MTB Silverado Team saddle, Titanium rails - $60
Pletscher Rack (no lower mounting hardware) - $20



On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 3:38:19 PM UTC-5 Philip Barrett wrote:

> More stuff;
>
> SKS P65 Fender Set w/Hardware - this was pulled off a bike, used but not 
> damaged - $25
>
> Portland Design Works Origami and Soda Pop fender sets with hardware - $20 
> for both
>
> Pictures can be found here - https://photos.app.goo.gl/aZiUZWjoAPg8sqs36
>
> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 11:20:45 AM UTC-5 Philip Barrett wrote:
>
>> Both Nitto racks are sold.
>>
>> I wish you could edit posts heremaybe you can?
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 10:45:59 AM UTC-5 Philip Barrett wrote:
>>
>>> I know I'd forget something, Paypal or cash please.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 10:45:15 AM UTC-5 Philip Barrett wrote:
>>>
>>>> I finished up a bunch of builds & am pretty happy with the parts & 
>>>> pieces I need so selling off the excess. All prices are free for pickup in 
>>>> Dallas, TX or plus shipping to your neck of the woods. Open to offers and 
>>>> package deals.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Topeak Roadmaster 6954 frame pump (XL) - $15
>>>>
>>>> Fizik Antares White Kuim Regular saddle - $30
>>>>
>>>> MTB Silverado Team saddle, Titanium rails - $60
>>>>
>>>> Velo Orange Left Bank handlebars (note some small scratches) - $20
>>>>
>>>> Tektro FL750 brake levers, less than 50 miles - $15
>>>>
>>>> Generic GPS/Phone bike mounts - Free + shipping
>>>>
>>>> Pletscher Rack (no lower mounting hardware) - $20
>>>>
>>>> Nitto RBW-51 Rack + Wald Diving Plate (see below) - $75
>>>>
>>>> Nitto MT-Campee Front Rack (no lower mounting hardware or struts) - $65
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pictures can be found here - 
>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/aZiUZWjoAPg8sqs36
>>>>
>>>> On the Nitto RBW, it will come with the Wald Diving rear plate which I 
>>>> haven’t tried mounting but seems to have all the parts needed depending on 
>>>> your frame of course. Also, I do see the diving rack is back up on 
>>>> Rivendell’s website too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: My Junk, Your Score!

[Philip Barrett]

More stuff;

SKS P65 Fender Set w/Hardware - this was pulled off a bike, used but not 
damaged - $25

Portland Design Works Origami and Soda Pop fender sets with hardware - $20 
for both

Pictures can be found here - https://photos.app.goo.gl/aZiUZWjoAPg8sqs36

On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 11:20:45 AM UTC-5 Philip Barrett wrote:

> Both Nitto racks are sold.
>
> I wish you could edit posts heremaybe you can?
>
> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 10:45:59 AM UTC-5 Philip Barrett wrote:
>
>> I know I'd forget something, Paypal or cash please.
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 10:45:15 AM UTC-5 Philip Barrett wrote:
>>
>>> I finished up a bunch of builds & am pretty happy with the parts & 
>>> pieces I need so selling off the excess. All prices are free for pickup in 
>>> Dallas, TX or plus shipping to your neck of the woods. Open to offers and 
>>> package deals.
>>>
>>>
>>> Topeak Roadmaster 6954 frame pump (XL) - $15
>>>
>>> Fizik Antares White Kuim Regular saddle - $30
>>>
>>> MTB Silverado Team saddle, Titanium rails - $60
>>>
>>> Velo Orange Left Bank handlebars (note some small scratches) - $20
>>>
>>> Tektro FL750 brake levers, less than 50 miles - $15
>>>
>>> Generic GPS/Phone bike mounts - Free + shipping
>>>
>>> Pletscher Rack (no lower mounting hardware) - $20
>>>
>>> Nitto RBW-51 Rack + Wald Diving Plate (see below) - $75
>>>
>>> Nitto MT-Campee Front Rack (no lower mounting hardware or struts) - $65
>>>
>>>
>>> Pictures can be found here - https://photos.app.goo.gl/aZiUZWjoAPg8sqs36
>>>
>>> On the Nitto RBW, it will come with the Wald Diving rear plate which I 
>>> haven’t tried mounting but seems to have all the parts needed depending on 
>>> your frame of course. Also, I do see the diving rack is back up on 
>>> Rivendell’s website too.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: My Junk, Your Score!

[Philip Barrett]

Both Nitto racks are sold.

I wish you could edit posts heremaybe you can?

On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 10:45:59 AM UTC-5 Philip Barrett wrote:

> I know I'd forget something, Paypal or cash please.
>
> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 10:45:15 AM UTC-5 Philip Barrett wrote:
>
>> I finished up a bunch of builds & am pretty happy with the parts & pieces 
>> I need so selling off the excess. All prices are free for pickup in Dallas, 
>> TX or plus shipping to your neck of the woods. Open to offers and package 
>> deals.
>>
>>
>> Topeak Roadmaster 6954 frame pump (XL) - $15
>>
>> Fizik Antares White Kuim Regular saddle - $30
>>
>> MTB Silverado Team saddle, Titanium rails - $60
>>
>> Velo Orange Left Bank handlebars (note some small scratches) - $20
>>
>> Tektro FL750 brake levers, less than 50 miles - $15
>>
>> Generic GPS/Phone bike mounts - Free + shipping
>>
>> Pletscher Rack (no lower mounting hardware) - $20
>>
>> Nitto RBW-51 Rack + Wald Diving Plate (see below) - $75
>>
>> Nitto MT-Campee Front Rack (no lower mounting hardware or struts) - $65
>>
>>
>> Pictures can be found here - https://photos.app.goo.gl/aZiUZWjoAPg8sqs36
>>
>> On the Nitto RBW, it will come with the Wald Diving rear plate which I 
>> haven’t tried mounting but seems to have all the parts needed depending on 
>> your frame of course. Also, I do see the diving rack is back up on 
>> Rivendell’s website too.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My Junk, Your Score!

[Philip Barrett]

I know I'd forget something, Paypal or cash please.

On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 10:45:15 AM UTC-5 Philip Barrett wrote:

> I finished up a bunch of builds & am pretty happy with the parts & pieces 
> I need so selling off the excess. All prices are free for pickup in Dallas, 
> TX or plus shipping to your neck of the woods. Open to offers and package 
> deals.
>
>
> Topeak Roadmaster 6954 frame pump (XL) - $15
>
> Fizik Antares White Kuim Regular saddle - $30
>
> MTB Silverado Team saddle, Titanium rails - $60
>
> Velo Orange Left Bank handlebars (note some small scratches) - $20
>
> Tektro FL750 brake levers, less than 50 miles - $15
>
> Generic GPS/Phone bike mounts - Free + shipping
>
> Pletscher Rack (no lower mounting hardware) - $20
>
> Nitto RBW-51 Rack + Wald Diving Plate (see below) - $75
>
> Nitto MT-Campee Front Rack (no lower mounting hardware or struts) - $65
>
>
> Pictures can be found here - https://photos.app.goo.gl/aZiUZWjoAPg8sqs36
>
> On the Nitto RBW, it will come with the Wald Diving rear plate which I 
> haven’t tried mounting but seems to have all the parts needed depending on 
> your frame of course. Also, I do see the diving rack is back up on 
> Rivendell’s website too.
>
>
>

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[RBW] My Junk, Your Score!

[Philip Barrett]

I finished up a bunch of builds & am pretty happy with the parts & pieces I 
need so selling off the excess. All prices are free for pickup in Dallas, 
TX or plus shipping to your neck of the woods. Open to offers and package 
deals.


Topeak Roadmaster 6954 frame pump (XL) - $15

Fizik Antares White Kuim Regular saddle - $30

MTB Silverado Team saddle, Titanium rails - $60

Velo Orange Left Bank handlebars (note some small scratches) - $20

Tektro FL750 brake levers, less than 50 miles - $15

Generic GPS/Phone bike mounts - Free + shipping

Pletscher Rack (no lower mounting hardware) - $20

Nitto RBW-51 Rack + Wald Diving Plate (see below) - $75

Nitto MT-Campee Front Rack (no lower mounting hardware or struts) - $65


Pictures can be found here - https://photos.app.goo.gl/aZiUZWjoAPg8sqs36

On the Nitto RBW, it will come with the Wald Diving rear plate which I 
haven’t tried mounting but seems to have all the parts needed depending on 
your frame of course. Also, I do see the diving rack is back up on 
Rivendell’s website too.


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Re: [RBW] Basket shop sack Brompton bags

[Philip Barrett]

I'd love to find something like the Brompton Touring Bag which seems to 
have disappeared?

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 12:57:00 AM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:

> The Brompton folding basket bag is my most used Brompton bag by far. I 
> have the older design and it swallows a lot of groceries including odd 
> shaped items.
>
> I may splurge for the new model since I do like that it has a zippered 
> pocket on the outside.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 16, 2021, at 10:11 PM, J L  wrote:
> > 
> > All,
> > 
> > Back forever ago when I first mounted a front basket to my Saluki, then 
> CB-0 (x4), then… well basically every bike I have had was improved by 
> adding an easy access front bag inside a basket. I still have a wald medium 
> with green shopsack in it. 
> > 
> > Is there a Brompton bag that replicates this? Do I need to get a custom 
> rack made and zip tie a basket to it? Anyone want to earn some money 
> modifying a rack to allow a bolted on front carrier block catch? 
> > 
> > Goal - fit a full size grocery bag, full of odd shaped stuff that make 
> the sides stick out here and there, into a bike mounted object. What are my 
> options? 
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Jason
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Re: [RBW] Looking for a Part!

[Philip Barrett]

Standby, I have a cunning plan...



On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 7:54:45 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> This is not a dedicated product, but it's a good alternative: fashion a 
> sturdy bracket using a tandem stoker's stem and a properly-sized length of 
> straight handlebar, I've done this to hang other sorts of bags. This method 
> has the advantage of holding the bag slightly away from and below the 
> saddle.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 5:19 PM Philip Barrett  
> wrote:
>
>> The one in the picture appears to clamp to the seat post though?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 6:04:35 PM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:
>>
>>> If it’s the one I’m thinking of they just used a wood dowel attached to 
>>> the Brooks bag loops using toe straps. Low tech but supposed to be 
>>> functional.
>>>
>>> https://www.pathlesspedaled.com/2011/07/21/video-backpacks-on-bromptons/
>>>
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 15, 2021, at 3:45 PM, Philip Barrett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I know this picture is a Brompton but it shows the part I'm looking for 
>>> & can't seem to find and don't even know what it's called. Maybe some 
>>> crowdsourcing can help me?
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm looking for the seatpost mounted (or seat mounted) bar or strut that 
>>> would allow to attach a backpack as shown. The Nitto R50 really wouldn't 
>>> work for this.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> <8062173316 <(806)%20217-3316>_893012265a_h.jpg>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Looking for a Part!

[Philip Barrett]

The one in the picture appears to clamp to the seat post though?



On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 6:04:35 PM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:

> If it’s the one I’m thinking of they just used a wood dowel attached to 
> the Brooks bag loops using toe straps. Low tech but supposed to be 
> functional.
>
> https://www.pathlesspedaled.com/2011/07/21/video-backpacks-on-bromptons/
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 15, 2021, at 3:45 PM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>
> I know this picture is a Brompton but it shows the part I'm looking for & 
> can't seem to find and don't even know what it's called. Maybe some 
> crowdsourcing can help me?
>
>
> I'm looking for the seatpost mounted (or seat mounted) bar or strut that 
> would allow to attach a backpack as shown. The Nitto R50 really wouldn't 
> work for this.
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Re: [RBW] Bring Out The Brompton!

[Philip Barrett]

Continental makes their Contact in a 16" 
- 
https://www.freedomfoldingbikes.com/continental-contact-urban-tire-for-brompton-16x135.html

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 7:45:22 AM UTC-5 domjona...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Jason! 
>
> I did look into those before, but the reviews didn't seem to be too great. 
> I'll take look at the ones you recommend! Thank you so much!
>
> On Thu, 5 Aug 2021, 11:30 J L,  wrote:
>
>> Dom,
>>
>> Wider tire?  Give me a month for a ride report :) 
>>
>> The largest tire made for 349 rims is the 349X1 1/2. They work out to be 
>> about 38-40mm in practice. That fits the fork on all models and the rear 
>> frame on many, but not all. Ti models are a little tighter. The real pinch 
>> point is the rear brake caliper.
>>
>> Greenspeed in AUS used to make a model called Scorcher. A little internet 
>> searching  will direct you to these tires used on Bromptons, including a 
>> blog from a store in Japan from a few years back. 
>>
>> Greenspeed is no longer, but you can still get 60tpi or 120tpi scorchers 
>> from a recumbent shop in Australia. They also have their own house brand in 
>> the same size called TRUBLU.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2021, at 6:59 PM, Dominic Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hi Jason,
>>
>> It is indeed (although I live in Japan so Honjo products are much cheaper 
>> here).
>>
>> There is a tiny amount more clearance, however it seems there is no way 
>> to get a wider tire on the Brompton due to the frame shape (unless anyone 
>> here knows otherwise?) 
>>
>> I'd love to see some wider and more interesting tire options for Brompton!
>>
>> Dom
>>
>> On Thu, 5 Aug 2021, 08:13 J L,  wrote:
>>
>>> Dominic,
>>>
>>> Hahaha. These are a high ticket item. 
>>>
>>> Is your personal bike? Is the clearance any different than with the 
>>> Brompton plastic ones? 
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Dominic Ryan  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> For those of you that like to waste money on Brompton parts, I recommend 
>>> some Honjo fenders!
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Wed, 4 Aug 2021, 23:01 Minh,  wrote:
>>>
 great thread and welcome to the club jason.  mine is similiar to yours 
 when i got it.  be prepared for the tinker bug!  i turned my fender model 
 into a rack one with a rack and new fender.   it makes push cart mode much 
 more stable.  
 i also added a dyno front wheel and light.  

 they are useful in a way that is very different from a full size bike.  
 though riding here in nyc can be a bit hectic with them!

 On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 8:22:39 AM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I picked up the Grateful Red rear LED USB light, it comes with a 
> couple of mounting options, one of which is literally an exact fit for 
> the 
> Brompton rear reflector bracket!
>
> [image: PXL_20210804_121832278.jpg]
> [image: PXL_20210804_121843239.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 7:12:10 AM UTC-5 weste...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Eric, 
>>
>> Here's my Brompton in it's natural element -  multi-modal transport. 
>>   I'm 6'7" tall and ride 65-68 cm road bikes, and the Brompton with the 
>> telescoping seat post and the H bars works well for me. 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 6:56:19 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone have a picture/experience of a Brompton set up for a taller 
>>> (~6’3”) rider? Asking for a friend. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 Ash,

 A Bosco can be done if you can make the reach and folded math work. 

 The clamp is 25.4 and the mast folds down so the reach-back juts 
 away from the bike. You'd have a bigger folded footprint but still 
 crazy 
 compact relative to storing or transporting a full-size bike. 

 The ETT is about 60cm with no stem reach. You'd have the reach to 
 the flat part of the bar in the same range as stock Brom bars but the 
 rest 
 is coming WAY back. You'll never sit up any straighter on a bicycle 
 than 
 holding the ends of a Bosco on a Brompton! 

 On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 3:45:43 PM UTC-7 Ashwath Akirekadu 
 wrote:

> Nice to see all those cute pictures!
>
> Wondering if the Bosco bar would work for a Brompton.  
>
> Brompton is in my N+1 list, but Bosco is a must.
> On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 at 11:28:15 UTC-7 Rick Thompson wrote:
>
>> That is a Wald 582 folding metal basket, with a Trigo adapter 
>> plate modified to fit it to the carrier block. It is not light, but 
>> nothing 
>> on mine is...
>>
>> Mine came as the "raw lacquer", but from the factory it is really 
>> a paint color and not just raw metal with 

Re: [RBW] Bring Out The Brompton!

[Philip Barrett]

Any recommendations for a cheap carry bag capable of surviving a domestic 
airline?

On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 6:13:41 PM UTC-5 J L wrote:

> Dominic,
>
> Hahaha. These are a high ticket item. 
>
> Is your personal bike? Is the clearance any different than with the 
> Brompton plastic ones? 
>
> Jason
>
> On Aug 4, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Dominic Ryan  wrote:
>
> 
>
> For those of you that like to waste money on Brompton parts, I recommend 
> some Honjo fenders!
>
>  
>
> On Wed, 4 Aug 2021, 23:01 Minh,  wrote:
>
>> great thread and welcome to the club jason.  mine is similiar to yours 
>> when i got it.  be prepared for the tinker bug!  i turned my fender model 
>> into a rack one with a rack and new fender.   it makes push cart mode much 
>> more stable.  
>> i also added a dyno front wheel and light.  
>>
>> they are useful in a way that is very different from a full size bike.  
>> though riding here in nyc can be a bit hectic with them!
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 8:22:39 AM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I picked up the Grateful Red rear LED USB light, it comes with a couple 
>>> of mounting options, one of which is literally an exact fit for the 
>>> Brompton rear reflector bracket!
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20210804_121832278.jpg]
>>> [image: PXL_20210804_121843239.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 7:12:10 AM UTC-5 weste...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Eric, 

 Here's my Brompton in it's natural element -  multi-modal transport.   
 I'm 6'7" tall and ride 65-68 cm road bikes, and the Brompton with the 
 telescoping seat post and the H bars works well for me. 

 Julian Westerhout
 Bloomington, IL 

 On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 6:56:19 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:

> Anyone have a picture/experience of a Brompton set up for a taller 
> (~6’3”) rider? Asking for a friend. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Ash,
>>
>> A Bosco can be done if you can make the reach and folded math work. 
>>
>> The clamp is 25.4 and the mast folds down so the reach-back juts away 
>> from the bike. You'd have a bigger folded footprint but still crazy 
>> compact 
>> relative to storing or transporting a full-size bike. 
>>
>> The ETT is about 60cm with no stem reach. You'd have the reach to the 
>> flat part of the bar in the same range as stock Brom bars but the rest 
>> is 
>> coming WAY back. You'll never sit up any straighter on a bicycle than 
>> holding the ends of a Bosco on a Brompton! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 3:45:43 PM UTC-7 Ashwath Akirekadu 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nice to see all those cute pictures!
>>>
>>> Wondering if the Bosco bar would work for a Brompton.  
>>>
>>> Brompton is in my N+1 list, but Bosco is a must.
>>> On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 at 11:28:15 UTC-7 Rick Thompson wrote:
>>>
 That is a Wald 582 folding metal basket, with a Trigo adapter plate 
 modified to fit it to the carrier block. It is not light, but nothing 
 on 
 mine is...

 Mine came as the "raw lacquer", but from the factory it is really a 
 paint color and not just raw metal with lacquer over. I am using metal 
 bluing with varnish over as touch up, that is close to the color.

 On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 6:38:33 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Rick: which basket is that? Aliexpress & typing "brompton + 
> titanium" certainly brings up some lovely items too.
>
> I'm thinking of doing a strip down to raw metal & lacquer over the 
> winter as I love that look.
>
> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 7:01:20 PM UTC-5 Rick Thompson wrote:
>
>> Yes, but Bromptons are for shopping!
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ricks_boats/50409330646/in/album-72157715050533447/lightbox/
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ricks_boats/50597181768/in/album-72157715050533447/lightbox/
>>
>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:45:59 AM UTC-7 Bill Gibson wrote:
>>
>>> Look at used cameras from KEH Camera. Any price point you want. 
>>> Costco used to sell Nikon D3500 kits with two lenses, but I don't 
>>> see it 
>>> online right now, so check what KEH has. Canon EOS at any price or 
>>> resolution you want to pay for. Some instructors will demand a 
>>> certain 
>>> number of pixels, but any Nikon or Canon dslr will be serviceable 
>>> to begin 
>>> with , and KEH checks them out, warrants them, and will buy them 
>>> back. 
>>> Also, can rent fancy stuff at Lensrentals.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 4:23 PM Patrick Moore  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 .

 

Re: [RBW] Bring Out The Brompton!

[Philip Barrett]

I got loose at Aliexpress today & ordered a titanium seatpost (600mm) since 
the one I have is pretty gouged in places. That & the little phone holder 
that mounts on the stem bolt.

My lack of self control will probably have me returning for the titanium 
rear rack too!

On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 7:54:36 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Eric, the sage green Brompton in the picture I included in my earlier post 
> above is equipped with the telescoping seat post.  My PBH is 96cm.  Both 
> bikes have the 'H" style handlebar.
>
> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 4:56:19 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> Anyone have a picture/experience of a Brompton set up for a taller 
>> (~6’3”) rider? Asking for a friend. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Ash,
>>>
>>> A Bosco can be done if you can make the reach and folded math work. 
>>>
>>> The clamp is 25.4 and the mast folds down so the reach-back juts away 
>>> from the bike. You'd have a bigger folded footprint but still crazy compact 
>>> relative to storing or transporting a full-size bike. 
>>>
>>> The ETT is about 60cm with no stem reach. You'd have the reach to the 
>>> flat part of the bar in the same range as stock Brom bars but the rest is 
>>> coming WAY back. You'll never sit up any straighter on a bicycle than 
>>> holding the ends of a Bosco on a Brompton! 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 3:45:43 PM UTC-7 Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>>>
 Nice to see all those cute pictures!

 Wondering if the Bosco bar would work for a Brompton.  

 Brompton is in my N+1 list, but Bosco is a must.
 On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 at 11:28:15 UTC-7 Rick Thompson wrote:

> That is a Wald 582 folding metal basket, with a Trigo adapter plate 
> modified to fit it to the carrier block. It is not light, but nothing on 
> mine is...
>
> Mine came as the "raw lacquer", but from the factory it is really a 
> paint color and not just raw metal with lacquer over. I am using metal 
> bluing with varnish over as touch up, that is close to the color.
>
> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 6:38:33 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Rick: which basket is that? Aliexpress & typing "brompton + titanium" 
>> certainly brings up some lovely items too.
>>
>> I'm thinking of doing a strip down to raw metal & lacquer over the 
>> winter as I love that look.
>>
>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 7:01:20 PM UTC-5 Rick Thompson wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, but Bromptons are for shopping!
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ricks_boats/50409330646/in/album-72157715050533447/lightbox/
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ricks_boats/50597181768/in/album-72157715050533447/lightbox/
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:45:59 AM UTC-7 Bill Gibson wrote:
>>>
 Look at used cameras from KEH Camera. Any price point you want. 
 Costco used to sell Nikon D3500 kits with two lenses, but I don't see 
 it 
 online right now, so check what KEH has. Canon EOS at any price or 
 resolution you want to pay for. Some instructors will demand a certain 
 number of pixels, but any Nikon or Canon dslr will be serviceable to 
 begin 
 with , and KEH checks them out, warrants them, and will buy them back. 
 Also, can rent fancy stuff at Lensrentals.com


 On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 4:23 PM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> .
>
> Oh, speaking of expenses: daughter needs a DSLR (digital SLR) 
> minimally good enough for "art projects," which means relatively hi 
> res 
> photos and manual adjustment of shutter speed, aperture, and lighting 
> (did 
> I get those right?). Someone said Costco has good deals. Suggestions? 
> Not 
> asking for donations, just advice. Thanks. Patrick "camera imbecile" 
> Moore
>

 Nikon D 3500 kit is 


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Re: [RBW] Bring Out The Brompton!

[Philip Barrett]

Rick: which basket is that? Aliexpress & typing "brompton + titanium" 
certainly brings up some lovely items too.

I'm thinking of doing a strip down to raw metal & lacquer over the winter 
as I love that look.

On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 7:01:20 PM UTC-5 Rick Thompson wrote:

> Yes, but Bromptons are for shopping!
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ricks_boats/50409330646/in/album-72157715050533447/lightbox/
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ricks_boats/50597181768/in/album-72157715050533447/lightbox/
>
> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:45:59 AM UTC-7 Bill Gibson wrote:
>
>> Look at used cameras from KEH Camera. Any price point you want. Costco 
>> used to sell Nikon D3500 kits with two lenses, but I don't see it online 
>> right now, so check what KEH has. Canon EOS at any price or resolution you 
>> want to pay for. Some instructors will demand a certain number of pixels, 
>> but any Nikon or Canon dslr will be serviceable to begin with , and KEH 
>> checks them out, warrants them, and will buy them back. Also, can rent 
>> fancy stuff at Lensrentals.com
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 4:23 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> .
>>>
>>> Oh, speaking of expenses: daughter needs a DSLR (digital SLR) minimally 
>>> good enough for "art projects," which means relatively hi res photos and 
>>> manual adjustment of shutter speed, aperture, and lighting (did I get those 
>>> right?). Someone said Costco has good deals. Suggestions? Not asking for 
>>> donations, just advice. Thanks. Patrick "camera imbecile" Moore
>>>
>>
>> Nikon D 3500 kit is 
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bring Out The Brompton!

[Philip Barrett]

That is one sexy looking set up.



On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:18 AM UTC-5 domjona...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sorry, couldn’t resist adding a few pics of mine Brommy. I mainly use the 
> Riv, but the Brompton makes a great bike to take on trips by train etc!
>
> Very fun little bike to own! 
>
> [image: FF682C91-CCA0-4381-8AFD-1903D4959787.jpeg][image: 
> 4F63F7EA-7D1B-49BE-B8F7-0F14B1C25FD7.jpeg][image: 
> 23C30129-95E6-4330-8275-8C8B75E622FE.jpeg]
>
> [image: FA89C8FF-F0FD-4FF2-B858-B8398F7CE7C7.jpeg]
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:04:44 AM UTC+9 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Brits among us will recognize the play on words!
>>
>> I've had my eye out for a Brompton for a while now. I could throw all the 
>> practical reasons around, like a bike I could travel with for extended work 
>> trips but in all honesty, they're just so darn cool & cute. One popped up 
>> on FB Marketplace this week & I managed to negotiate a very good deal. It's 
>> been used but has all the signs of decent maintenance and aside from a good 
>> clean up, some adjustments & a slight straightening of the bars was ready 
>> to ride.
>>
>> I put about 50 miles on it these past 2 days & just like a Riv, it's a 
>> bike that puts a smile on your face! 3 speeds is a little limiting but 
>> those tiny wheels come off the line in quick order & it's just darn fun to 
>> ride. I've never seen another in Dallas but coincidently I passed one 
>> yesterday at the White Rock spillway, he was as surprised as I was!
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210731_234509711.jpg][image: 
>> PXL_20210731_234429964.jpg][image: 
>> PXL_20210731_234445647.jpg][image: PXL_20210801_004854721.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Share More Riv Riding Pics

[Philip Barrett]

I was out & about yesterday evening myself, not telling you anything you 
don't already know here...it was hot! It was close to 2 hours for me & 
maybe not the smartest decision.

Not Riv so making a separate thread.

On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 9:45:05 AM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:

> I'm such a big fan of taking pics on my rides.
>
> It's fun to see others pics from their rides as well.
>
> This list does some of that but it would be great to see even more.
>
> From yesterday's ride after mounting new 
> 700x43 Gravel King SS tires on my orange Sam.
>
> Only did 8 miles but tires felt outstanding. 
>
> Paul in Dallas 
>
> [image: Image] 
>
> [image: Image] 
>
> [image: Image] 
>
> [image: Image] 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Cheapo Brake Levers That Work Great

[Philip Barrett]

As you say, I have these running V-brakes & I'm not sure how they would 
work as a short pull. I actually replaced some short pull levers that I 
liked the look of (Tektro FL750) & was sure I could make work with some 
fiddling. Which I couldn't!

On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 4:33:30 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> The Shimano brake levers for my 8 speed Shimano IGHs also incorporate the 
> two position cable pulls. The left is just a brake lever, the right 
> incorporates the IGH shifter and quadrant. Got them from Peter White.
>
> Laing
>
> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 5:18:34 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:
>
>> Philip:
>>
>> If they work so well that you'd forgotten about them, call it success.  
>>
>> Tektro makes a lever with a clever piece where you hook up the cable.  It 
>> allows 2 locations.  The long pull works with V-brakes & the short pull 
>> with others.  During my bout of brake-itis, I learned that the pivot to 
>> cable stop dimensions are about 1" for short pull & 1-1/4" for long pull. 
>>
>> doug
>>
>> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 10:57:06 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I just realized that the stop-gap levers I spent all of $12 on while 
>>> waiting for "real" levers to come off backorder are still on the Platypus. 
>>> I hadn't bothered ordering replacements because they work so well I'd 
>>> forgotten about them!
>>>
>>> In silver or black;
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B083D9BSRZ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s01?ie=UTF8=1
>>>
>>> [image: 61LTp+aCbuL._AC_SL1200_.jpg]
>>>
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[RBW] Cheapo Brake Levers That Work Great

[Philip Barrett]

I just realized that the stop-gap levers I spent all of $12 on while 
waiting for "real" levers to come off backorder are still on the Platypus. 
I hadn't bothered ordering replacements because they work so well I'd 
forgotten about them!

In silver or black;

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B083D9BSRZ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s01?ie=UTF8=1

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[RBW] Re: Fun (?) Thought Exercise

[Philip Barrett]

It's pavement all the way. Unless I got the wrong map?

On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 3:49:53 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Without knowing much about the trail, I would have thought it was too 
> rough/rugged for the Rambouillet?!  Impressive, if it is indeed as much 
> off-pavement as I thought it is! 
>
> For current models, I think I'd go with a Joe Appaloosa, with 2.1-2.2" 
> semi-slick XC type tires and a Choco bar on a long stem.
>
> But my Bombadil would be perfect for the job too with the same type of 
> setup. 
>
> On Monday, 19 July 2021 at 08:34:16 UTC-7 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Did it from Yorktown, VA west (although the Western Flyer leg, Pueblo, CO 
>> to SFCA) with this : 
>> [image: 5343AAB1-D6F6-4092-917F-BED40A858176.jpeg]
>> My Rambouillet for the Trans-Am. 
>>
>> Yet to install my three water bottle cages and mudflap. Clip on lights 
>> are in the bag, would soon be installed to make room. Got an odometer from 
>> my Lexington, KY friend who joined us the day we rode into Berea, KY and 
>> enjoyed dinner at the Boone Tavern. Shell pants flip flops and a blazer! 
>>  You said light? I longflapped my Nelson Longflap often. This picture is 
>> somewhere between 5-7pm the night before heading to Yorktown. It arrived 
>> from Rivendell at 4 pm. 
>>
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 12:41:29 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Say you were going to ride the TransAmerica Trails (Astoria, OR to 
>>> Yorktown, PA - 4,200 miles) with a lightweight bikepacking set up (not a 
>>> traditional touring multiple pannier system) which Rivendell would you 
>>> chose? Seems like there are a few interesting options.
>>>
>>> I have some ideas but thought it might be an interesting Sunday musing 
>>> for those of us trapped indoors by heat & humidity.
>>>
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[RBW] Fun (?) Thought Exercise

[Philip Barrett]

Say you were going to ride the TransAmerica Trails (Astoria, OR to 
Yorktown, PA - 4,200 miles) with a lightweight bikepacking set up (not a 
traditional touring multiple pannier system) which Rivendell would you 
chose? Seems like there are a few interesting options.

I have some ideas but thought it might be an interesting Sunday musing for 
those of us trapped indoors by heat & humidity.

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[RBW] Re: [pictures] Just built up my orange Susie

[Philip Barrett]

Nice!

On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 11:24:52 AM UTC-7 Paul Choi wrote:

> Wow! Thanks for sharing :)
>
> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 7:27:07 AM UTC-7 Paul Y wrote:
>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/DcjxXsDwnkaHNxty8
>>
>> I ordered her on the pre-order before COVID days. She only got built up a 
>> few days ago.
>> What a grand bike! And huge. 
>> I'll wait a few more days and ride some proper trail to post a ride 
>> report, but I'm loving the ride so far.
>>
>> A very please Paul
>>
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[RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

[Philip Barrett]

On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 7:30:09 PM UTC-5 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:

> "Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy a bike and that's pretty 
> close." - Mike M
>
> I'm going to use this line!
>

I've got another one for you from the fuddled mind of mine;

*If you strive to be happy you will never be content.*
*If you strive to be content you will always be happy*

 

>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

[Philip Barrett]

There's no integrated stand (Grant would have a field day with this) so 
this is used to support the bike sans rider. But your idea is actually 
pretty brilliant, except for the carbon monoxide part I guess?

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 3:41:07 PM UTC-5 Benjamin Kelley wrote:

> Do they have zwift fake indoor "riding" for motorcycles too? or is that 
> trainer looking apparatus just for moving it around?
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:30 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> At first I was like "cool race bike replica" then I realized..that's a 
>> race bike! 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 12:55:08 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Since my wife just bought this as a retirement gift for herself she's 
>>> starting to resent the assumption that desirable ICE vehicles are purely a 
>>> male domain!
>>>
>>> [image: Yoshimura Suzuki GSX-R1000 Toni Elias - (39).jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 2:34:08 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 True, true, and I am able to afford my bicycle now, although I will 
 leave you to guess whether any existential crisis was involved with my 
 purchase :).

 Toshi


 On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 12:13 PM Matthew Williams <
 matthewwil...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As someone elsewhere suggested,
>
> "Maybe forty-year-old men driving sports cars aren't going through a 
> midlife crisis. Instead, they can finally afford the car they wanted when 
> they were twenty."
>
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
> Most people understand the concept of a "mid-life crisis car".  I can 
> buy 10 bikes for the price of the "crisis" car, which I will never buy, 
> so 
> I don't feel too bad.  Yes, it is non-essential to buy such a "fancy" 
> bike, 
> but it is used and has big contributions to my health and well being.
>
> Toshi
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Re: [RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

[Philip Barrett]

Wondered who would catch that! Toni Elias' 2016 Championship Superbike, not 
exactly road legal there er...officer.

Or "Jewelry by Yoshimura?"

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 3:30:18 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> At first I was like "cool race bike replica" then I realized..that's a 
> race bike! 
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 12:55:08 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Since my wife just bought this as a retirement gift for herself she's 
>> starting to resent the assumption that desirable ICE vehicles are purely a 
>> male domain!
>>
>> [image: Yoshimura Suzuki GSX-R1000 Toni Elias - (39).jpg]
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 2:34:08 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> True, true, and I am able to afford my bicycle now, although I will 
>>> leave you to guess whether any existential crisis was involved with my 
>>> purchase :).
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 12:13 PM Matthew Williams <
>>> matthewwil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 As someone elsewhere suggested,

 "Maybe forty-year-old men driving sports cars aren't going through a 
 midlife crisis. Instead, they can finally afford the car they wanted when 
 they were twenty."



 On Jun 28, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

 Most people understand the concept of a "mid-life crisis car".  I can 
 buy 10 bikes for the price of the "crisis" car, which I will never buy, so 
 I don't feel too bad.  Yes, it is non-essential to buy such a "fancy" 
 bike, 
 but it is used and has big contributions to my health and well being.

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Re: [RBW] Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

[Philip Barrett]

I typically find that the critics are the same people who eat out 3 times a 
week & a buy a new car every 2 years. $,3500? You know, same as you lost in 
depreciation when you drove off the dealer lot last week!

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 5:16:25 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> I'd likely shrug my shoulders and smile.
>
> I put myself in the "other" shoes, so to speak. From that position, fully 
> aware of the comedic situation I apparently now find myself playing 
> "both".I "return" to where I never left. 
>
> So where's the offense, the call for justice, equality and such ?
>
> Nowhere.
>
> Now what ? 
>
> I shrug my shoulders and laugh, smile . 
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 1:22:41 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> If I have to explain you better be married to me. Otherwise we're not 
>> discussing the price of my bicycle. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 10:02:16 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> I like the line I heard from my friends who built and rode motorcycles:
>>>
>>> "If I have to explain, you'd never understand."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 27, 2021, at 8:12 PM, Kushan  wrote:
>>>
>>> Wife and recently marked the 10th anniversary and decided to get each 
>>> other nice presents. She is getting me an Appaloosa built and I got her 
>>> something she really wanted in the jewelry department (of 20-30% higher 
>>> value than the bike). 
>>>
>>> We are both financially responsible people, don't live lavishly, and can 
>>> afford both items. However, the reactions of the friends and family who 
>>> hear about our gifts and their values have been somewhat puzzling for me. 
>>> While no one has given a second thought to the price of the jewelry, the 
>>> reactions on the bike have almost universally been that of astonishment. 
>>> And these are from people who know me well, know I enjoy cycling, and that 
>>> I only have one bike right now which I am planning to sell when the new one 
>>> arrives.
>>>
>>> So that got me thinking, I can't be the only one who has experienced 
>>> this. What are some other similar stories? More importantly, what do you 
>>> say to a well-meaning loved one when they ask things like "$3500 for a 
>>> bike?" and "but isn't your current bike orange too?"
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[RBW] Re: Large Platypus Test Ride - Southern California

[Philip Barrett]

Gushing recommendation here. Not sure you'd find one used as most people 
completed their builds less than 2 months ago & I've heard no regrets, in 
fact nothing but love.
On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 7:49:47 AM UTC+1 sfjen...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi All,
> I'm interested in ordering a Platypus on a future build (or buying used) 
> but would love to find one to test ride more local to me.  I'm in San 
> Diego.  Anyone willing or with ideas?
>
> Or just gushing recommendations?
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
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[RBW] Re: Just because you want to share pics from your ride

[Philip Barrett]

Sorry I missed you guys, looks like you had fun.

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 4:14:39 AM UTC+1 Paul in Dallas wrote:

> From today's ride with a couple of other Riv owners / friends.
>
> Paul in Dallas 
> [image: Image] 
>
>
> [image: Image] 
>
> Two Homer's and a Sam.
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

My Plat came with one in the packaging. I left it on under the wrap - belt 
and braces as we say back home!

On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:12:15 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Kate, until you get that cool wrap done, you can use a clear chain 
> protector
>  
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/chainstay-protector?_pos=5&_sid=d25b413b7&_ss=r
>  
> .
>  
>   The white you see is just the backing. 
>   
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-4 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Roberta, I love it!!!  I bet you can't wait to ride it this weekend.  
>> Have fun.
>>
>> Philip, I saw your twine wrap and was very intrigued.  I've ridden only 3 
>> bikes in 30 years and never used a chainstay protector.  Who knew?  This is 
>> something I never thought about but now I am. 
>> Kate-Trenton, NJ
>> my mermaid is currently in the build line-up at Riv...parts have been 
>> selectedwent with chaco and long stem 
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 11:58:03 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I think our builds are very similar.  I did see your wrap and twine and 
>>> it is very nicely done--adds a lot of character.Right now, I have a 
>>> clear protector on my chain stay, but I do like the wrap.  Silver I think 
>>> would be nice.  I already own the twine and I think I have silver tape and 
>>> did that on a prior bike.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 10:46:13 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I see you did go for the 1x - nice choice & a classy build all around. 
 Make sure they do a wrap & twine on the chain stay.

 On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:35:11 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Roberta, I am SO excited for you. Analog does the most beautiful work, 
> don’t they? They never turn out a bad build. Beautiful, special details 
> that the owner will recognize and treasure. I love your classy Peacock 
> Platy. 
>
> This will be your first bike built from frame up, right? I can hardly 
> wait for you to go to Analog this weekend and send me the pics. Roberta 
> and 
> I have Marco Polo, a video messaging app so we can get all our words out 
> without having to type them. I’m expecting her to send me hours of 
> footage 
> this weekend, lol!
>
> It’s great to see these Platys get built and will be even more 
> endearing watching you all put your miles on them and telling of your 
> travails. Like Pam Murray!
>
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 26, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Sneak Peak from Analog.  I don't have the bike yet.  
>
> The saddle is a B68 that I will be covering with a black saddle 
> cover.  Once I realized it was to be Mermaid GREEN and not Mermaid BLUE 
> (with my original Peacock theme), I told Candice "just surprise me."  She 
> "gets" me. 
>
> Understated and elegant.  Colors: Mermaid green, black, silver and 
> white--neutrals used as color, and I love it!  Most of the parts have two 
> colors in them--white/black for the grips, silver/black for the fenders, 
> rack, and front chain ring/trouser guard combo Handlebar is Billie.  
> Rainbow spoke nipple arrangement (zoom in on front rim).  
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 9:23:00 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> - Platyphernalia -
>>
>> Someone at RBW right now: 
>>
>> "Do we sell platypus pins? 
>> SOMEBODY ORDER PLATYPUS PINS!" 
>>
>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 6:18:52 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Platyphernalia.
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 24, 2021, at 5:51 PM, Jason Fuller  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oooh I love that pin. The world of platypii paraphernalia is one I 
>>> wasn't previously aware of, but clearly thriving. 
>>>
>>> And sure, it might be a coincidence. But all I know is I've been 
>>> acutely aware the Billie has been in stock for a few weeks now and had 
>>> been 
>>> idly considering whether I should jump on the opportunity to buy it, 
>>> when 
>>> you got one and seemingly moments later it was out of stock.  Maybe 
>>> there 
>>> was only two or three left at that time!  Maybe it's Leah-hype! 
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 5:20 PM Leah Peterson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You guys are funny. It’s probably a coincidence. 

 But it is fun to discuss Things I’m Loving Right Now, and right 
 now…it’s PlatyPins! Best showcased on bike bags. #RivSisters, be 
 checking 
 your mailboxes this week!

>>> 

>>>

 Sent from my iPad

 On May 24, 2021, at 5:17 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 - Leah promoted the Billie bars and they sold out fast after that, 
 now with a backlog 

Re: [RBW] Clothing for hot and humid riding

[Philip Barrett]

This is a subject for me too as Dallas starts to steam up. I'm trying the 
Smartwool Merino boxers, so far on one ride (where the weather was truly 
miserable, 95% humidity), will report back on those when I've had a little 
more saddle time. Question; do the Merino t's really work in the kinds of 
conditions we're discussing? When it's too humid for sweat to properly 
evaporate from the skin it would seem these would get wet & heavy? Opinions 
on that welcomed.


On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 8:51:58 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, all. 
>
> Steve -- Thanks for the tip on the shorts. On special for $38 and made in 
> Oregon, will have to give them a shot! 
>
> Doug -- I hear ya on the seersucker, thanks! I know Grant loves it for hot 
> weather. 
>
> Jeff -- the soaked-through cotton tee is a tricky one! That chill you 
> mention is something I dread. Also once the shirt becomes soaked I struggle 
> with the weight and sag of the fabric. 
>
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:18:15 AM UTC-4 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>
>> +1 on seersucker.  I chose short sleeve + lots of sunscreen.  Extensive 
>> use in 2019 for Chicago to NYC route, starting on July 5.  Interesting 
>> aside: the shirt would be soaked and stayed reasonably cool because of the 
>> evaporative effect.  However when stepping into an air-conditioned 
>> convenience store I actually could not linger long as I would get chilled.  
>> I actually ate the snacks outside in the shade.
>>
>> YMMV.
>>
>> Jeff
>> Claremont, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 5:36:14 AM UTC-7 Doug Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Seersucker shirts. Long sleeve can be best for sunburn protection and 
>>> still almost as cool as short sleeve. But either way, seersucker is about 
>>> as cool as you can get.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 4:41:38 AM UTC-7 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>>
 Try the Jackson and Gibbens touring shorts, shorter than Riv’s and very 
 light and airy. 
 https://www.bicycleclothing.com/Mens-Touring-Shorts.html
 Steve

 On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 7:35 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> It's getting into the gross season here in Virginia where heat and 
> humidity blend into a delightful sludge. I'm curious to hear from members 
> about their preferred riding clothing for the heat. What's your go-to 
> deal? 
> I'm curious about comfort for longer rides (which for me are in the range 
> of 40-60 miles) in non-cycling cycling clothes. Any experienced riders 
> from 
> the Sticky States have a special blend they'd like to share? 
>
> I often ride in whatever I happen to be wearing and usually that's a 
> cotton tee and a pair of heavy canvas carpenter shorts. For longer rides 
> I 
> prefer a linen or chambray shirt. Linen, in particular, has been great. 
>
> I'm looking for some inspiration to counter my perspiration. The 
> canvas shorts are not ideal. I have two pairs of MUSA shorts from Riv but 
> for my tastes they are way too long and too baggy. I'm resistant to going 
> over to traditional jerseys and shorts, though the idea of Kucharik wool 
> shorts has caught my interest. 
>
> Thanks to all in advance!
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

It's not exactly going to change the world but when I look down & see chain 
marks on the twine I think, well that would have been my lovely paintwork 
if not for. Dallas is pothole central so some chain slap even when urban 
riding is to expected.

Plus, it's fun to do, took me a few attempts as, unlike handlebars, the 
profile of the chainstays changes radically. I cut a few darts on the 
inside to allow the fabric to sit smoother.

On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 8:25:46 AM UTC-5 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Roberta, I love it!!!  I bet you can't wait to ride it this weekend.  Have 
> fun.
>
> Philip, I saw your twine wrap and was very intrigued.  I've ridden only 3 
> bikes in 30 years and never used a chainstay protector.  Who knew?  This is 
> something I never thought about but now I am. 
> Kate-Trenton, NJ
> my mermaid is currently in the build line-up at Riv...parts have been 
> selectedwent with chaco and long stem 
>
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 11:58:03 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I think our builds are very similar.  I did see your wrap and twine and 
>> it is very nicely done--adds a lot of character.Right now, I have a 
>> clear protector on my chain stay, but I do like the wrap.  Silver I think 
>> would be nice.  I already own the twine and I think I have silver tape and 
>> did that on a prior bike.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 10:46:13 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I see you did go for the 1x - nice choice & a classy build all around. 
>>> Make sure they do a wrap & twine on the chain stay.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:35:11 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Roberta, I am SO excited for you. Analog does the most beautiful work, 
 don’t they? They never turn out a bad build. Beautiful, special details 
 that the owner will recognize and treasure. I love your classy Peacock 
 Platy. 

 This will be your first bike built from frame up, right? I can hardly 
 wait for you to go to Analog this weekend and send me the pics. Roberta 
 and 
 I have Marco Polo, a video messaging app so we can get all our words out 
 without having to type them. I’m expecting her to send me hours of footage 
 this weekend, lol!

 It’s great to see these Platys get built and will be even more 
 endearing watching you all put your miles on them and telling of your 
 travails. Like Pam Murray!

 Leah

 Sent from my iPad

 On May 26, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Roberta  wrote:

 

 Sneak Peak from Analog.  I don't have the bike yet.  

 The saddle is a B68 that I will be covering with a black saddle cover.  
 Once I realized it was to be Mermaid GREEN and not Mermaid BLUE (with my 
 original Peacock theme), I told Candice "just surprise me."  She "gets" 
 me. 

 Understated and elegant.  Colors: Mermaid green, black, silver and 
 white--neutrals used as color, and I love it!  Most of the parts have two 
 colors in them--white/black for the grips, silver/black for the fenders, 
 rack, and front chain ring/trouser guard combo Handlebar is Billie.  
 Rainbow spoke nipple arrangement (zoom in on front rim).  



 On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 9:23:00 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> - Platyphernalia -
>
> Someone at RBW right now: 
>
> "Do we sell platypus pins? 
> SOMEBODY ORDER PLATYPUS PINS!" 
>
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 6:18:52 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Platyphernalia.
>>
>>
>> On May 24, 2021, at 5:51 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>> Oooh I love that pin. The world of platypii paraphernalia is one I 
>> wasn't previously aware of, but clearly thriving. 
>>
>> And sure, it might be a coincidence. But all I know is I've been 
>> acutely aware the Billie has been in stock for a few weeks now and had 
>> been 
>> idly considering whether I should jump on the opportunity to buy it, 
>> when 
>> you got one and seemingly moments later it was out of stock.  Maybe 
>> there 
>> was only two or three left at that time!  Maybe it's Leah-hype! 
>>
>> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 5:20 PM Leah Peterson  
>> wrote:
>>
>> You guys are funny. It’s probably a coincidence. 
>>>
>>> But it is fun to discuss Things I’m Loving Right Now, and right 
>>> now…it’s PlatyPins! Best showcased on bike bags. #RivSisters, be 
>>> checking 
>>> your mailboxes this week!
>>>
>> 
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On May 24, 2021, at 5:17 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> - Leah promoted the Billie bars and they sold out fast after that, 
>>> now with a backlog of interest. NO SURPRISE HERE -
>>>
>>> There needs to be an automatic restock order at Riv when Leah buys 
>>> something. "Hey guys, Leah just ordered this thing and 

Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

I see you did go for the 1x - nice choice & a classy build all around. Make 
sure they do a wrap & twine on the chain stay.

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:35:11 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Roberta, I am SO excited for you. Analog does the most beautiful work, 
> don’t they? They never turn out a bad build. Beautiful, special details 
> that the owner will recognize and treasure. I love your classy Peacock 
> Platy. 
>
> This will be your first bike built from frame up, right? I can hardly wait 
> for you to go to Analog this weekend and send me the pics. Roberta and I 
> have Marco Polo, a video messaging app so we can get all our words out 
> without having to type them. I’m expecting her to send me hours of footage 
> this weekend, lol!
>
> It’s great to see these Platys get built and will be even more endearing 
> watching you all put your miles on them and telling of your travails. Like 
> Pam Murray!
>
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 26, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Sneak Peak from Analog.  I don't have the bike yet.  
>
> The saddle is a B68 that I will be covering with a black saddle cover.  
> Once I realized it was to be Mermaid GREEN and not Mermaid BLUE (with my 
> original Peacock theme), I told Candice "just surprise me."  She "gets" me. 
>
> Understated and elegant.  Colors: Mermaid green, black, silver and 
> white--neutrals used as color, and I love it!  Most of the parts have two 
> colors in them--white/black for the grips, silver/black for the fenders, 
> rack, and front chain ring/trouser guard combo Handlebar is Billie.  
> Rainbow spoke nipple arrangement (zoom in on front rim).  
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 9:23:00 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> - Platyphernalia -
>>
>> Someone at RBW right now: 
>>
>> "Do we sell platypus pins? 
>> SOMEBODY ORDER PLATYPUS PINS!" 
>>
>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 6:18:52 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Platyphernalia.
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 24, 2021, at 5:51 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>>
>>> Oooh I love that pin. The world of platypii paraphernalia is one I 
>>> wasn't previously aware of, but clearly thriving. 
>>>
>>> And sure, it might be a coincidence. But all I know is I've been acutely 
>>> aware the Billie has been in stock for a few weeks now and had been idly 
>>> considering whether I should jump on the opportunity to buy it, when you 
>>> got one and seemingly moments later it was out of stock.  Maybe there was 
>>> only two or three left at that time!  Maybe it's Leah-hype! 
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 5:20 PM Leah Peterson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You guys are funny. It’s probably a coincidence. 

 But it is fun to discuss Things I’m Loving Right Now, and right 
 now…it’s PlatyPins! Best showcased on bike bags. #RivSisters, be checking 
 your mailboxes this week!

>>> 

>>>

 Sent from my iPad

 On May 24, 2021, at 5:17 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 - Leah promoted the Billie bars and they sold out fast after that, now 
 with a backlog of interest. NO SURPRISE HERE -

 There needs to be an automatic restock order at Riv when Leah buys 
 something. "Hey guys, Leah just ordered this thing and she's going to show 
 it on Instagram and you know what that means!" 藍

 On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 4:52:16 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Leah promoted the Billie bars and they sold out fast after that, now 
> with a backlog of interest.  NO SURPRISE HERE.  Hahaha.. 
>
> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 6:45 AM Doug H.  wrote:
>
>> Very nice Philip!
>>
>> So, several of us need Billie Bars and they are currently out of 
>> stock. I hope to see some for sale here on the board. Hint, hint, hint...
>> Doug
>>
>> On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 10:46:33 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Another rainy day although I did grab about 25 miles in dreary 
>>> humidity. Spent some of the rest of the day working on my twine & 
>>> wrapping 
>>> skills, I wonder if Blue Lug is hiring?
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20210523_024219127.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 9:18:56 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 "Your metaphors rise almost to the level of literature, and 
 "almost" is not a putdown, either. Seriously, this gives one a much 
 more 
 "concrete" (how's that for a metaphor?) picture of the Billie versus 
 Boscoe."

 Right?? I literally caught my breath at this one:
>>>
>>>
 "The drama queen of Rivendell’s bar line-up, they rise dramatically 
 and sweep way back, like a woman lifting her petticoats."

 I could immediately and vividly see it in my mind's eye and thought 
 to myself HOW DID SHE THINK OF THAT??

 Joe Bernard 

 On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 6:13:56 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

[RBW] Re: Centerpull Rear Cable Management

[Philip Barrett]

I was going to suggest the same but wanted to see what was going on in case 
there was another issue

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 10:27:12 AM UTC-7 Bones wrote:

> Yep, that's the ticket. I've got a longer Nitto one but I'd really like it 
> to be adjustable. Thanks Laing!
>
> Bones
>
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 1:11:44 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> Use a longer hanger. Nitto, Surly, Rene Herse, Paul Funky Monkey, 
>> Dia-Compe. Vintage Weinmann and Mafac.
>>
>> I like the Surly - nice and long, and adjustable. if you take out the 
>> adjuster lock nut, you can even get a touch of extra length.
>>
>> [image: Capture.JPG]
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 12:57:24 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> I've got some Paul Racer's on my Roadini. I am using the small 
>>> adjustable Nitto hanger. I've never been happy with the bend in the housing 
>>> (Jagwire Pro). It works, but it rubs a little and I am looking for tips on 
>>> how to get some smoother braking. Length? Bending tips? Different housing?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Bones
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Centerpull Rear Cable Management

[Philip Barrett]

Pictures would help?

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:57:24 AM UTC-7 Bones wrote:

> I've got some Paul Racer's on my Roadini. I am using the small adjustable 
> Nitto hanger. I've never been happy with the bend in the housing (Jagwire 
> Pro). It works, but it rubs a little and I am looking for tips on how to 
> get some smoother braking. Length? Bending tips? Different housing?
>
> Thanks!
> Bones
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it 
would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take 
a file or grinder to it though.

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:

> That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to 
> hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) 
> wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple 
> of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.
>
> Tom
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

I'm blushing - thanks!

I enjoy a good climb (or as good as a "climb" gets in N. Texas) and my 
hands were slipping little if I pulled back on the bars, hopefully this 
will help. 

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 6:08:45 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> That's the best grip aesthetic I've seen. The only "tourist" bar grips 
> that agree with my left palm are Ergon GP1 grips, and those cut back (tho I 
> see Ergon offers an abbreviated model: https://tinyurl.com/y4fjxb5v) and 
> very precisely arranged, but I'd do this if my palm could stand it.
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 12:57 PM Philip Barrett  
> wrote:
>
>> It's raining & thunder today so I decided I needed a little more traction 
>> on the cork grips. I was going to do the chainstay too but ran out of hemp 
>> twine.
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210516_175123073.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[Philip Barrett]

Really awesome & inspiring! 

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 12:49:14 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I draw a lot of inspiration from you and your Betty, Pam! Thanks for 
> chronicling its journey. 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 15 May 2021 at 18:11:15 UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I wanted to share pictures of a Riv after 10 years with lots of 
>> beausage.  
>> I'm terrible at Wordpress and not sure how to format it so it's cobbled 
>> together but I did put all the pictures there and some fun facts.  I love 
>> my bike.  It's the one thing I use everyday and enjoy riding it still.
>>
>> http://cltspokespeople.org/my-betty-foy-after-10-years/
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 700c Wheel recommendations

[Philip Barrett]

Velocity are really good people & full of useful advice, sort of the 
Rivendell of wheels. You can reach out to them directly for input, their 
marketing guy (Ian) has been a huge help to me in the past.

On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 6:48:23 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> I use Velocity Atlas wheels on my Sam, and they’ve been good with any tire 
> size I’ve tried up through 50mm. I’m 200 lbs plus, so I use 36 spokes.  
> They are possibly a bit of overkill for my typical 42mm tires, but they’ve 
> been trouble free.
> My touring bike has Velocity Dyads and they run fine with up to 42mm tires 
> - I haven’t tried them with anything bigger, though they should fit 50mm.  
> Also 36 spokes since they carry me plus 35 pounds for a loaded tour, and 
> also trouble free.
>
> Cliffhangers probably are overkill, because a heavier wheel makes it a 
> little tougher to do the hills.  Over time this matters - like going 
> tubeless.  Your riding style isn’t as important as the ability to handle a 
> wider tire, however.  A 50 mm tire on an A23 would be squeezing it.  A 
> Cliffhanger, Atlas or Dyad should handle it just fine.
> My recommendation for your riding style and tire size would be the Atlas.  
> Lighter weight than the Cliffhangers, and plenty strong.  They also come 
> with eyelets to prevent cracking around the spoke holes.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: question re Dremel attachments

[Philip Barrett]

Streuth mate, how about the US links, not the Aussie ones;

https://us.dremel.com/en_US/products/-/show-product/accessories/dremel-ez406-02-ez-lock-cut-off-wheel-starter-kit

https://us.dremel.com/en_US/products/-/show-product/accessories/ez407sa-ez-drum-mandrel

On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 7:53:19 AM UTC-5 Philip Barrett wrote:

> I did this with a hacksaw just yesterday! Should have done it your way, 
> pure laziness not wanting to leave the house & buy replacement Dremel parts.
>
> For cutting you want their E-Z Cut system which has a nice quick release. 
> Use the "real" Dremel wheels as the quality of the cuts is so much higher 
> with less likelihood of shattering.
>
>
> https://www.dremel.com/au/en/p/dremel-ez-lock-metal-cut-off-wheel-ez456-v746
>
> For smoothing & sanding, they make an E-Z Lock system for their 13mm 
> mandrels which should work great.
>
>
> https://www.dremel.com/au/en/p/dremel-ez-lock-sanding-mandrel-sanding-band-ez407-v742
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 9:50:11 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:
>
>> Hi all, I'm fixing to cut some fender stays and rack struts with my 
>> Dremel rotary.
>>
>> Wow, there are an incredible number of attachment options. It's rather 
>> paralyzing.
>>
>> I'd be grateful if you could recommend (1) a Dremel attachment for 
>> cutting stays or struts, and (2) an attachment for smoothing out the sharp 
>> edges after the cuts.
>>
>> Thanks for any information.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: question re Dremel attachments

[Philip Barrett]

I did this with a hacksaw just yesterday! Should have done it your way, 
pure laziness not wanting to leave the house & buy replacement Dremel parts.

For cutting you want their E-Z Cut system which has a nice quick release. 
Use the "real" Dremel wheels as the quality of the cuts is so much higher 
with less likelihood of shattering.

https://www.dremel.com/au/en/p/dremel-ez-lock-metal-cut-off-wheel-ez456-v746

For smoothing & sanding, they make an E-Z Lock system for their 13mm 
mandrels which should work great.

https://www.dremel.com/au/en/p/dremel-ez-lock-sanding-mandrel-sanding-band-ez407-v742



On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 9:50:11 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:

> Hi all, I'm fixing to cut some fender stays and rack struts with my Dremel 
> rotary.
>
> Wow, there are an incredible number of attachment options. It's rather 
> paralyzing.
>
> I'd be grateful if you could recommend (1) a Dremel attachment for cutting 
> stays or struts, and (2) an attachment for smoothing out the sharp edges 
> after the cuts.
>
> Thanks for any information.
>

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[RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Philip Barrett]

That's super nice, the 650b is the way to go & thank goodness for the 
Tektro R559s for making these conversions possible. My next one (after I 
sell the Bridgestone single-speed MTB) will hopefully be based on a more 
touring oriented frameset where I will have to reach for the measuring 
calipers a little less, do some vintage cantilevers and have real mounting 
points for racks & fenders.

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 7:52:42 PM UTC-5 Fullylugged wrote:

> [image: Ferrous Beuller.jpg]
> Here's Ferrous Bueller. A Japanese Tange CroMo frameset with a 650B 
> conversion. Couple of RBW items on it and a seat tube decal from this list. 
> Picture is a few years old but the bike is basically the same today. 
> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 3:27:05 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks! I'm thinking it would be fun to build you up something in a 
>> larger size, I'll keep my eye open.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 9:44:21 AM UTC-5 max.c@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Philip, I saw this bike on CL and was very sad it wasn't in my size; 
>>> it's a beautiful build! If you ever have anything in the 58-60cm range, let 
>>> me know; I'm in your market!
>>>
>>> I remember a thread I stumbled across a few years back when I first got 
>>> into bike commuting called "What's the Poor Man's Rivendell" over on 
>>> bikeforums and it was an inspiration to me. Lots of great bikes on there. 
>>> Since then I've been through a few bikes as I commute daily to work. This 
>>> '86 Schwinn Cimarron is my current commuter and needs a few details, like 
>>> fenders, but is probably the closest I've come to the Riv style yet.
>>> [image: IMG_20201110_113604536.jpg]
>>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 1:26:59 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Bice ride. This one even ended up as a 650b for a while which made an 
 already comfortable bike a complete barco-lounger! Currently up for sale 
 in 
 Dallas if anyone's interested.


 https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/dallas-trek-lugged-reynolds-city-build/7317177164.html

 [image: PXL_20210124_165847266.jpg]

 I also have an MB-6 single-speed build nearly finished, inspired by 
 Riv's recent posting of the Bridgestone SS.
 On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-5 Clayton Stahnke wrote:

> I've been an admiring (lurking?) member of this group for a few months 
> now and I've really wanted to post something for a while...but I don't 
> have 
> any Rivendell frames (yet!). 
>
> However, many of my builds are heavily Rivendell-inspired and I 
> figured I would share my latest project here with you all. The bike in 
> question is a 1987 Bridgestone 550 (53cm), so it's not too far off from a 
> Rivendell ;)
>
> I purchased this bike off CL last summer as an impulse buy--I needed a 
> new project and the price point was just right for me. It was pretty much 
> entirely stock with only a few paint chips--I'd call this color "Blue 
> Sharpie" since most of the paint chips were inconspicuously filled in 
> with 
> blue sharpie ink. I threw some bones at it to make it into a zippy 
> singlespeed, but it sat in the garage for most of its initial revival 
> since 
> the 700cx25 wheelset was a bit too harsh for my tastes. 
>
> Fast forward to last month, I was able to secure a sturdy 650b 
> wheelset (Thanks, David B!) and I took a stab at converting this beauty 
> into a "Track-lo-neur" of sorts. The photo below is the finished product 
> and boy howdy, what a world of a difference the wheelset makes for this 
> bike. I usually ride an Atlantis-ified Diamondback Apex around town, but 
> this Homebrew Saluki makes me feel like I'm back in my college days 
> riding 
> around campus again.  
>
> Any other Rivendell wannabes out there? I'd love to hear about your 
> inspired builds!
>
> -Clayton
>
> [image: IMG_1440.JPG]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Smith Rear Drop Outs

[Philip Barrett]

Wow! I guess a straightened rear triangle is probably irrelevant at this 
point? Seriously cool build, how many chains did it take to reach the 
cassette?

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 2:27:51 PM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> I finally got it built up last week and it's riding great! The 26" front 
> wheel did not work on the 52cm Clem fork. So I got a 650b up front and kept 
> the 26" rear. It handles really well and rides like a dream. Flexy in all 
> the right ways and places. 
>
> Below is a pic and here's a video of my wife and daughter riding it 
> <https://www.instagram.com/stories/highlights/17870970557366927/>. Let me 
> know if you have any questions about the build etc. 
>
> [image: clem-xtracycle.jpg]
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 3:17 PM Dave  wrote:
>
>> How'd this end up for you Justin? Tempted to try a free radical on the 
>> back of a 650b proto-bleriotwould either be running the 650b with the 
>> expense of the paul motolite brakes (I think that would work), or would be 
>> buying a 26" wheel and running a mismatched 650b up front 26" in back. 
>> Curious to hear your feedback!
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 4:28:34 AM UTC-7 Justin Kennedy 
>> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>>
>>> UPDATE. Turns out a 26" wheel on a 52 Clem L does not work with a 
>>> regular V-brake or canti brake. There may be a way for it to work with some 
>>> other set up but I'm going with the mullet set up - 650b up front and a 26" 
>>> on the Xtracycle Free Radical extension. Just waiting on the new wheel to 
>>> arrive.
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 1:55:38 AM UTC-4 Nerl L. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Justin,
>>>> I'm on a Clem 52 H, so if the fork is different from the L, then this 
>>>> may not help.   Center to center, front axle to brake post is 10-1/2".
>>>>
>>>> By the way, one year plus later, I'm still happily on the bars, stem 
>>>> and saddle I got from you!
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Noah
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 3:14:55 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
>>>> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, since it's going to have an Xtracycle extension on the rear, 
>>>>> that rear axle measurement doesn't matter much. i just need to know 
>>>>> whether 
>>>>> a 26" wheel would fit up front. So if anyone with a 52 Clem L could 
>>>>> measure 
>>>>> the distance from the center of your front axle to the canti/V-brake 
>>>>> posts, 
>>>>> that would be greatly appreciated. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 12:57:57 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ask any Clem owner to measure from the center of the rear axle to the 
>>>>>> center of the brake caliper bolt, that's the magic number you need.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 9:36:08 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmm you're right, the Motolites are built to go the other way -- 
>>>>>>> fitting 650b or 700c to a bike meant for 26". I currently have a cheap 
>>>>>>> Shimano V-brake on the front. Will measure and see if there's any room 
>>>>>>> for 
>>>>>>> losing reach. I like your canti suggestion too. I may email Riv and see 
>>>>>>> what their thoughts are. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 10:26 AM Philip Barrett  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If it helps, the 650b wheels that came off this measure as;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Axle C to inner edge of of rim = 290mm
>>>>>>>> Axle C to outer edge of rim = 305mm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To my calculations you'll need to lose (not gain) 25mm of reach. 
>>>>>>>> Centerpull cantilevers might get you there?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then again, for the price of a pair of Paul's you could buy a nice 
>>>>>>>> set of 650b wheel & call it done?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 9:16:40 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy 
>>>>>>>> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

[RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

Thanks Joyce, I already have about 60 miles on it from last weekend. 
Obviously there's some confirmation bias at play but (and apparently 
BikesnobNYC agrees here) it really is an incredible ride. So smooth & 
comfortable but also deceptively quick and handles beautifully.

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 4:37:28 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:

> Congratulations, Phillip!  What a beauty.  The brass bell looks so nice 
> with the grips. Let us know what you think of the ride when it stops 
> raining.
>
> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 1:23:18 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks! A meet n' greet would be lovely. The Green Spot is always a good 
>> place as we can preceed or proceed with a trip around White Rock?
>>
>> A few finishing touches today; I gave up trying to make the Tektro FL750 
>> levers work with V-Brakes, I know they're not supposed to but they look so 
>> cool don't they? Had lots of braking power but hard to modulate adjusting 
>> was non-existent. I found a cheap set of levers on Amazon that seemed to be 
>> well reviewed, they're actually pretty nic, especially for the $12.99 price 
>> tag.
>>
>> SKS P50 fenders went on, they're a bit of a PITA to fit to a level worthy 
>> of a Platypus but the end result was worth the effort I think.
>>
>> Aside from that it was new Shellac'd cork grips & a quick adjustment to 
>> the real wheel bearing. The only thing left on the punch list (for now) is 
>> to wire wheel the kick stand to silver, pure aesthetics of course! Now it 
>> needs to stop raining.
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210512_200646276.jpg]
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210512_200754931.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 9:16:50 AM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>
>>> Philip, 
>>> Nicely done!
>>> A real beaut of a bike!
>>>
>>> I look forward to seeing it in person at some point.
>>>
>>> Hopefully you, the two Jim's, Luis and I can meet up soon and share a 5 
>>> Riv ride.
>>>
>>> That's all the Dallas/Ft Worth Riv owners I'm aware of.
>>>
>>> Perhaps there are others.
>>> If so give us a shout out and join in.
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas
>>>
>>> PS.
>>>
>>> Regarding group of Platypus.
>>>
>>> https://www.quora.com/What-do-you-call-a-group-of-platypus?share=1
>>>
>>> Quote from above link:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Well, based on what I found, a group of platypus can either be called a
>>>  paddle or a puddle.
>>>
>>> Just don’t call them a piddle or a poddle, because that just sounds 
>>> silly."
>>>
>>> "
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Philip Barrett]

Thanks! I'm thinking it would be fun to build you up something in a larger 
size, I'll keep my eye open.

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 9:44:21 AM UTC-5 max.c@gmail.com wrote:

> Philip, I saw this bike on CL and was very sad it wasn't in my size; it's 
> a beautiful build! If you ever have anything in the 58-60cm range, let me 
> know; I'm in your market!
>
> I remember a thread I stumbled across a few years back when I first got 
> into bike commuting called "What's the Poor Man's Rivendell" over on 
> bikeforums and it was an inspiration to me. Lots of great bikes on there. 
> Since then I've been through a few bikes as I commute daily to work. This 
> '86 Schwinn Cimarron is my current commuter and needs a few details, like 
> fenders, but is probably the closest I've come to the Riv style yet.
> [image: IMG_20201110_113604536.jpg]
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 1:26:59 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Bice ride. This one even ended up as a 650b for a while which made an 
>> already comfortable bike a complete barco-lounger! Currently up for sale in 
>> Dallas if anyone's interested.
>>
>>
>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/dallas-trek-lugged-reynolds-city-build/7317177164.html
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210124_165847266.jpg]
>>
>> I also have an MB-6 single-speed build nearly finished, inspired by Riv's 
>> recent posting of the Bridgestone SS.
>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-5 Clayton Stahnke wrote:
>>
>>> I've been an admiring (lurking?) member of this group for a few months 
>>> now and I've really wanted to post something for a while...but I don't have 
>>> any Rivendell frames (yet!). 
>>>
>>> However, many of my builds are heavily Rivendell-inspired and I figured 
>>> I would share my latest project here with you all. The bike in question is 
>>> a 1987 Bridgestone 550 (53cm), so it's not too far off from a Rivendell ;)
>>>
>>> I purchased this bike off CL last summer as an impulse buy--I needed a 
>>> new project and the price point was just right for me. It was pretty much 
>>> entirely stock with only a few paint chips--I'd call this color "Blue 
>>> Sharpie" since most of the paint chips were inconspicuously filled in with 
>>> blue sharpie ink. I threw some bones at it to make it into a zippy 
>>> singlespeed, but it sat in the garage for most of its initial revival since 
>>> the 700cx25 wheelset was a bit too harsh for my tastes. 
>>>
>>> Fast forward to last month, I was able to secure a sturdy 650b wheelset 
>>> (Thanks, David B!) and I took a stab at converting this beauty into a 
>>> "Track-lo-neur" of sorts. The photo below is the finished product and boy 
>>> howdy, what a world of a difference the wheelset makes for this bike. I 
>>> usually ride an Atlantis-ified Diamondback Apex around town, but this 
>>> Homebrew Saluki makes me feel like I'm back in my college days riding 
>>> around campus again.  
>>>
>>> Any other Rivendell wannabes out there? I'd love to hear about your 
>>> inspired builds!
>>>
>>> -Clayton
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1440.JPG]
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Bike Snob NYC gets a Platypus

[Philip Barrett]

I called him out on it a couple of days ago. Snob, we all know what's 
coming!

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 6:43:58 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I did not see Eben becoming a full-on mixte-riding Riv guy. Cats and dogs, 
> living together!
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 4:25:33 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>
>> He's quite excited!
>>
>> So, that makes three in his household within the past year--AHHilsen, 
>> Clem L (for his wife), and Platypus.  
>>
>> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2021/05/11/its-here-its-here/ 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Need Platypus tire advice

[Philip Barrett]

Yes, mine is the 50cm, good choice for my 81 PBH I think?

On a 650b I've most recently ridden the Kendas (like wood but not as 
pliant) & the Soma/Panaracer Co de Vie (not bad), on a 700c the Panaracer 
Gravel King (again, not bad). Now I promise to shut up after this, but 
after the RH I'm never going back to another brand, they're that much 
better. The 1st ride was all it took.

The People rest, your Honor.

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 6:19:45 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Phil--Your Platy is a 50cm?
>
> Joyce, I'm so happy for you.  
>
> These are the ones I think (I could check later) Analog speced for my 
> Platy--with the same riding info--mostly road, pea gravel, perhaps a touch 
> off pavement in case I need to be):  
> https://analogcycles.com/product/panaracer-gravelking-semi-knobby-tires/  
> Officially, they are 43cm.
>
> I just got a pair from a fellow member in 38's that I put on my she 
> devil.  I might have only ridden 10 miles but they are better than the 
> Marathon supreme that were on there (and I didn't mind the supremes).  
>
> Roberta
>
> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 2:36:09 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:
>
>> Oh joy!  My mermaid Platypus 55 cm frame is on the way!  There’s no ETA 
>> yet on Velocity Dyad wheels from Rich at RBW,  however I want to be ready 
>> and am seeking the wisdom of the group for recommendations on tires.  
>>
>> Details: 
>> —Soma fenders, 52mm, that allow for tires up to 42mm
>> —Light build, mostly planning for road riding or Rails to Trails paths 
>> —Minimal loads for day rides
>> —I’ll be using tubes and don’t need “tubeless ready.”
>> —No super light casings because I want some flat protection
>> —I have a Clem for hauling and riding dirt trails using Schwalbe Big 
>> Bens, 27.5 x 2.0
>>
>> Options contemplated:
>> —Panaracer Shikoro 38mm (can’t locate 42 in stock)
>> —Panaracer Gravel King (not sure which one)
>>
>> Your thoughts and advice?  What would you recommend?  What else should I 
>> consider? 
>>
>> —Joyce
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Need Platypus tire advice

[Philip Barrett]

I'm running the Rene Hearse Loups (650b) with tubes on my 50cm, now I 
understand what all the fuss is about. They're fantastic & I'm sure the 
rest of their range is of the same caliber.

PB

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 2:00:09 PM UTC-5 Kushan wrote:

> Based on 55 cm frame size, I am assuming you plan to run 700c tires 
> (couldn't tell since you have 27.5 on your Clem). I have 700 x 38 mm 
> Panaracer Gravel king on my Roadini and they have been really great. 
> Despite the name, they are more of a road/slick tires with some light 
> treading which gives good traction on dirt. I ride unloaded but I am heavy 
> myself (200+ lbs) and find that they provide ample cushioning filled at 
> 70ish PSI. I recently did a 70 mile day ride and they kept me comfortable 
> all day. 
>
> Never tired the Shikoro (btw they are made by Soma, not Panaracer) but 
> heard that they are quite similar PR Gravelkings. 
>
> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 11:36:09 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:
>
>> Oh joy!  My mermaid Platypus 55 cm frame is on the way!  There’s no ETA 
>> yet on Velocity Dyad wheels from Rich at RBW,  however I want to be ready 
>> and am seeking the wisdom of the group for recommendations on tires.  
>>
>> Details: 
>> —Soma fenders, 52mm, that allow for tires up to 42mm
>> —Light build, mostly planning for road riding or Rails to Trails paths 
>> —Minimal loads for day rides
>> —I’ll be using tubes and don’t need “tubeless ready.”
>> —No super light casings because I want some flat protection
>> —I have a Clem for hauling and riding dirt trails using Schwalbe Big 
>> Bens, 27.5 x 2.0
>>
>> Options contemplated:
>> —Panaracer Shikoro 38mm (can’t locate 42 in stock)
>> —Panaracer Gravel King (not sure which one)
>>
>> Your thoughts and advice?  What would you recommend?  What else should I 
>> consider? 
>>
>> —Joyce
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto F-16 Front Bag Support

[Philip Barrett]

I've bought from these guys in Japan before, service was excellent & 
shipping was reasonable & fast.

https://alexscycle.com/products/nitto-f16-front-handlebar-hook-bag-supporter-1?_pos=1&_sid=6af8ae1c7&_ss=r


On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 6:54:56 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

>
> As far as I can tell, these are sold out in the states (I've ordered from 
> two places that have them "in stock" just to hear that they don't).  Anyone 
> have one?  Shipped to 19154.  In the second link, the application and the 
> bag are almost identical to what I'll be using it for.  I do not have the 
> tools, the talent or the inclination for a DYI job.  (thanks to John H. who 
> let me know about this--it's exactly what I want)
>
> https://www.bike-components.de/en/NITTO/F16-Handlebar-Bag-Supporter-p67099/
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/138654205@N05/23990144171
>
> Cross post with iBob forum. 
>
> Please PM. 
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Philip Barrett]

Talking of calipers...with these types of conversions the measuring kind 
are your BFF. You don't need to spend a lot of money but being able to 
accurately measure spacings and widths makes all this a lot easier and math 
is cheaper than buying parts that don't fit. Digitals are best as you can 
switch between metric & old school with the press of a button. The set I 
use are these, all of $24 worth, probably not as accurate as they could be 
but we're building bikes here not centrifuges -

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GSLKIW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1

On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 7:28:56 PM UTC-5 Philip Barrett wrote:

> Thanks! Amazing how the early 80's (just pre-dayglo) grays are all the 
> rage again eh? That Univega looks lovely and I think you'll be fine with a 
> 650b around 28-32mm, remember you'll need the Tektro R559 calipers to reach 
> the rims though. You'll love the ride I guarantee it!
>
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 6:03:28 PM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> And those are awesome too Patrick!
>> I see cranks I don't know, lots o tire volume, and what a light mount!
>>
>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 4:00:01 PM UTC-7 Matthew P wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry Shawn! :)
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 3:00:17 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've owned 5 Rivendells and still own 1. These other 2 bikes are 
>>>> Rivendell influenced and perhaps even Grant Peterseon inspired.
>>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Philip Barrett]

Thanks! Amazing how the early 80's (just pre-dayglo) grays are all the rage 
again eh? That Univega looks lovely and I think you'll be fine with a 650b 
around 28-32mm, remember you'll need the Tektro R559 calipers to reach the 
rims though. You'll love the ride I guarantee it!

On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 6:03:28 PM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:

> And those are awesome too Patrick!
> I see cranks I don't know, lots o tire volume, and what a light mount!
>
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 4:00:01 PM UTC-7 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> Sorry Shawn! :)
>>
>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 3:00:17 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I've owned 5 Rivendells and still own 1. These other 2 bikes are 
>>> Rivendell influenced and perhaps even Grant Peterseon inspired.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Portland Design Works - Wow!

[Philip Barrett]

I ordered a set of PDW Sodapop fenders last weekend and on Tuesday I got an 
email apologizing for a delay in shipping (which I confess I hadn't 
actually noticed) and refunding my shipping costs!

Good products AND good people. Spend your money with companies that care.

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

UPS has updated the delivery to today, unless I've forgotten a part I 
should be out & about for the weekend.

Tha mi cho toilichte!

On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 9:55:39 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Philip - YAY Oh maybe you will get it in time for the weekend!
>
> I’m anxious to hear of the Platys that have surely been landing on 
> doorsteps around America. Anyone else want to delight us with your words 
> and photos?
>
> So happy for you!
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 3, 2021, at 7:20 PM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>
> Got a wee note from UPS today! 
>
>
> <73f002cade6cbaaa2e2be806417dee8e.png>
>
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 1:53:18 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>>
>> I like looping it around the drive side of the seatpost in this situation 
>> - kind of enlarges the radius of the bend while keeping it close to the 
>> seatpost and frame. Use the longest hanger you can find - Surly makes a 
>> long one.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 2:38:50 PM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>> Nathan,
>>> I'm going with canti brakes. I should be running the housing/cables 
>>> tonight or tomorrow.  I have a set of Velo Orange Zeste cantis that I've 
>>> been holding on to. The issue with the rear setup is to have the housing 
>>> loop up so it touches the seatpost, I think.  Otherwise you'll have the 
>>> housing contacting the seatpost lug. I'm not sure how it will look, but 
>>> that's how I saw one another person set it up (Blue Lug?).  I don't like 
>>> how Crust did it as it will rub the paint off of the lug (see their $3800 
>>> Platy).  
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> I'll share photos when I get them set up.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 6:44 PM Nathan F  wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's been nice seeing everyone get their frames, both here and on 
>>>> Instagram. Lots of great builds so far and plenty of inspiration for how 
>>>> I'll route the rear cantilever on mine. Seems I'm not the only one who 
>>>> wanted to use cantis!
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday the front rack came in for mine... now all that's left are 
>>>> the rims and frameset! Pending any further delays, I should be riding my 
>>>> Platypus in about 5 weeks or so.
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

Got a wee note from UPS today! 

[image: 73f002cade6cbaaa2e2be806417dee8e.png]

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 1:53:18 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

>
> I like looping it around the drive side of the seatpost in this situation 
> - kind of enlarges the radius of the bend while keeping it close to the 
> seatpost and frame. Use the longest hanger you can find - Surly makes a 
> long one.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 2:38:50 PM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> Nathan,
>> I'm going with canti brakes. I should be running the housing/cables 
>> tonight or tomorrow.  I have a set of Velo Orange Zeste cantis that I've 
>> been holding on to. The issue with the rear setup is to have the housing 
>> loop up so it touches the seatpost, I think.  Otherwise you'll have the 
>> housing contacting the seatpost lug. I'm not sure how it will look, but 
>> that's how I saw one another person set it up (Blue Lug?).  I don't like 
>> how Crust did it as it will rub the paint off of the lug (see their $3800 
>> Platy).  
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> I'll share photos when I get them set up.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 6:44 PM Nathan F  wrote:
>>
>>> It's been nice seeing everyone get their frames, both here and on 
>>> Instagram. Lots of great builds so far and plenty of inspiration for how 
>>> I'll route the rear cantilever on mine. Seems I'm not the only one who 
>>> wanted to use cantis!
>>>
>>> Yesterday the front rack came in for mine... now all that's left are the 
>>> rims and frameset! Pending any further delays, I should be riding my 
>>> Platypus in about 5 weeks or so.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

I use CRC Marine Lubricant which is basically the same stuff Blue Lug use;

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/BAXY9P/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1

You're not going to hurt the frame by doing it twice, when my non-prep 
arrives (I'm jelly) I'll be using this too.



On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 8:27:08 AM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:

> Platy arrived via UPS yesterday!  I plan to move 80% of the parts from 
> another bike over to it. Question - are the interior of these bikes ED 
> coated or should I use frame saver?  I assumed frame saver but after I 
> search of this forum I really haven't seen anything about MIT Rivs.  Mine 
> was the "non prep" option from Riv.
>
> Thanks!
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