[RBW] Re: FYI IRD "way back seatposts defect.

[danielle da cruz]

Leah, those grips! Wowowow. Truly stunning and worthy of a makeover post 
for sure! Thanks for sharing/inspiring!

Danielle

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 11:10:09 AM UTC-4 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
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> It is hard to tell from the picture but it looks like an IRD “Wayback” 
> seatpost 
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> I have one.  The grooves in the base & top piece stripped & caused the 
> seat to tilt “way up”
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> Not terrible for the B17,  but not the angle I want.  I emailed Rivendell 
> & Mark said IRD is replacing the defective ones & to send it back. 
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> Good service & standing beside their product. 
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> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Ian A
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 12, 2023 10:38 PM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread
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> For what my opinion is worth, I rather like the seatpost. With the bag 
> there, the seatpost doesn't draw attention and looks "right". However, 
> custom seat posts are available, at not inconsiderable cost. Ti Cycles 
> Fabrication (Portland) have some alluring options. Perhaps someone on this 
> list knows of a custom maker who could create one from chromoly? Custom 
> stems are available too. 
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> I would be very hesitant to ream the seat tube unless it was Rivendell 
> approved. 
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> A fine looking bicycle indeed.
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> IanA Alberta Canada
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> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:29:41 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
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> I don’t need more setback than what I have - I bought this post for its 
> setback and it’s adequate. This one is ugly but it is the only choice for 
> 26.8. 
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> Stem: I have the Nitto extra tall stem and you cannot get it longer than 
> 100mm. So, if I want to use a pretty seat post, I can, but I’d need to 
> pitch my tall stem and sacrifice height for reach. 
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> So, I’m keeping my favorite stem and buying myself setback with that ugly 
> post. It’s the best option I can see at this point. 
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> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:21 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners 
> Bunch  wrote:
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> Leah
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> I thought the seatpost looked like a Sakae LTE-100 type.Not sure what 
> problems you have making you consider reaming the seat tube, but that post 
> has the most setback you can get.   If you need additional distance to the 
> bars, you could try a 10mm longer stem.
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> John Hawrylak
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> Woodstown NJ
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> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 9:05:12 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
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> Thanks, the seat post is the IRD Wayback post and the bag is Riv’s 
> Saddlesack, the BagBoy.
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> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:01 PM, 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners 
> Bunch  wrote:
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> Leah
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> Your changes look good.   What is the seatpost and the saddlebag you have??
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> John Hawrylak
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> Woodstown NJ
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> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 9:57:32 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
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> Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
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> On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
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> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
> thread.
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> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
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> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me 
> the unvarnished truth. 
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> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally found 
> these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but didn’t 
> have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my chestnut 
> saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips in hand. 
> The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint throw out so 
> many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the abundant glitter in 
> the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only elevates the look. The 
> stamped designs on the leather give the bike some texture and add visual 
> interest at the handlebar area. 
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> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
> wholly appointed to its duty.
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> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair to 
> match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…
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> Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
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> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[danielle da cruz]

Thank you Max and Philip!  I'm really enjoying the color scheme and how it 
plays with the changing leaves on the ground. It had its own fall yesterday 
when a strong gust of wind knocked it over at a coffee shop. A little less 
precious everyday 

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:03:25 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> An absolutely perfect bike!
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> On Oct 5, 2023, at 9:43 AM, danielle da cruz  wrote:
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> Thanks Joe, me too! They’re calling it Sergio green. It is so pretty and 
> definitely falls into that faerie-elvish category that Grant recently 
> remarked on (warned against?) when encouraging more black parts on bikes, 
> but I love it.
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> Just rode it to the bookstore for more exposure therapy, locking up to the 
> painted black bike rack. Baby steps. 
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> On Oct 5, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
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> It's so pretty! I love the Vintage Rivendell Green (I know they call it 
> something else but this was a color that appeared on early Rivs). 
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> Joe Bernard 
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> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:03:12 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
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>> This thread came to mind yesterday when I rode my new Roadini to the 
>> climbing gym. It arrived in Cambridge from Walnut Creek Tuesday night and I 
>> kept my Cheviot decal-scratching partner and our very enthusiastic, 
>> bike-loving neighbor away as I carefully reassembled it myself with a beer 
>> in the garage. Though they are far more mechanically inclined than I am, I 
>> would not let their less-careful-than-mine mitts near this shiny new bike. 
>> It’s my bike, so of course I feel this, but it truly is the most beautiful 
>> bike ever and I suddenly have that *my bike is precious and must not be 
>> marred – ever – *feeling. 
>>
>> Fast forward to the agony at the climbing gym. Which area of the rack 
>> looks cleanest? Which other bikes will be near mine and do these bikes 
>> appear to be owned by kind and considerate people who will be careful not 
>> to touch my bike with theirs? Should I just bring it inside with me? Is 
>> anywhere truly safe???
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>> Today it is still precious as I await the first scratch, scrape or ding. 
>> I look forward to when it’s less precious and I can let my guard down a 
>> bit. The beauty will remain.
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>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 10:36 AM, dylan green  wrote:
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>> I too have a '93 XO-3 as my daily driver. I recently sold my last 'nice' 
>> bike and am on the hunt for either a Legolas or Toyo atlantis as a project. 
>> The Bridgestone is such a great bike
>> I sometimes find myself thinking I don't *really need *another bike. But 
>> then again, I'm on a group dedicated to bikes...
>> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:40:46 PM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
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>>> I was so grateful to find a '93 XO-3 frame in very good condition a few 
>>> years back...I built it up as my everyday rider, with a 1x 8 drive, unfancy 
>>> 26" wheels (with Panaracer Paselas), and an Albastache bar. Basket in the 
>>> front and a Carradice bag in the rear - it's perfect for the job. I commute 
>>> most days, taking a one-hour ferry ride across the SF Bay, exposing the 
>>> bike to relentless salt spray, but I do my best to keep it clean and I've 
>>> grown to love itmeanwhile, I happened upon the most beautiful 
>>> Waterford-built All-Rounder last spring and scooped it right up. This one 
>>> is essentially a mirror image of the B'stone, but so much prettier. I've 
>>> experimented with several different bar/stem set-ups, none of which are 
>>> quite as good as the Albastache, and I will probably wind up with that 
>>> eventually. That said, I'm hesitant to subject it to the whims of my daily 
>>> seafaring adventure, especially when I have a bike that is already built 
>>> for that purpose. So, for the time being, it only gets infrequent weekend 
>>> attention. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:43:26 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
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>>>> I draw the line at winter riding where salt is used.
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>>>> Last year I used a converted 93 Rockhopper as my winter ride (IGH, 
>>>> coaster brake, studded tires) and on "nice" days, i.e. dry roads, I used 
>>>> my 
>>>> Bruce Gordon BLT (Taiwan model). Afterwards I cleaned and reassembled the 
>>>> rear derailleur  -- from maybe a dozen trips on decent days, it was a 
>>>> rusty, nasty mess, and so were a number of 

Re: [RBW] Style on the bike

[danielle da cruz]

Will, love everything thing about this! I got such a visual image of both the 
sweater(s) and the rolled jeans. As a fellow knitter I’m feeling inspired!

Danielle in Cambridge 

> On Sep 20, 2023, at 5:43 PM, 'William Watson' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
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> This fall/winter I am planning to knit my first bike sweater. It will be a 
> green quarter zip with a yellow stripe on the body and arms to match my 
> Goodrich. If the fit turns out right, I will make a few more to match other 
> bikes. I don't use back pockets, so the zipper will be challenge on this 
> project. 
> 
> As for pants, I roll my jeans up high. This morning I forgot to unroll my 
> jeans; another teacher complimented the one rolled look because they knew I 
> biked to work!
> 
> Will in Minneapolis
> 
> On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 1:30:26 PM UTC-5 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
> I usually wear a snap button down "fly fishing" shirt from Howler Bros. Long 
> sleave whatever the temps. Popping the collar and leaving the sleaves down in 
> the sun really does help. For bottoms I usually wear some sort of levis cut 
> in to Bob Weir style shorts or "bobby's". Winter I tuck my pant leg into my 
> sock if theres slack.
> 
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 10:29:29 AM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
> I had a longer, rambling, draft response on this topic that is better left 
> unread and may revisit to actually re-organize my thoughts at some point and 
> maybe add to the discussion but had to at least come back to add one note:  
> With all the mention of WIDE legs and '90's attire returning... as another 
> 90's (Gen. 'something or another' and class of '99!) member, I can't help but 
> imagine someone attempting a tuck/peg & fold or ankle strapping on some of 
> those ultra wide JNCO jeans for a ride.  Thanks for the much needed laughs!  
> The kind with deep pockets could even carry a pump, tube(s), toolkit, 
> snacks, Hydroflasks, etc!  Who needs racks or bags or jersey pockets?!
> 
> Brian
> Lawrence NJ
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> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 3:52:21 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> Leah
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> If you are claiming credit for turning me into a fop, then I'd dispute that 
> claim
> If you are claiming credit for helping make the RBW Group a more welcoming 
> space for people like me to let their fop flag fly, then I'd definitely agree.
> 
> :)
> 
> BL in EC
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> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 10:45:48 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
> See? Already my Bike Fashion Thread is changing the world. I’ll try to remain 
> humble over here.
> Leah
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>> On Sep 17, 2023, at 1:14 PM, Bill Lindsay > wrote:
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>> I've got three Ostroy resort shirts now... and two more in my "Cart". They 
>> are addictive.
> 
>> 
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
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>> On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 10:21:05 AM UTC-7 bei...@gmail.com <> 
>> wrote:
>> Leah, this thread is an awesome idea and I want a men’s version of your LL 
>> Bean jumper. That thing is awesome!
>> 
>> Luke’s photos make me think that Rivendell should start selling turquoise 
>> jewelry under their “Silver” brand to accompany all Atlantises…men 
>> definitely need more accessories! 
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>> My brother used to work at a local bike shop and got me hooked on wearing 
>> these “Resort Shirts” from Ostroy, which are great on warmer days and also 
>> really fun party shirts:
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>> https://ostroy.com/collections/resort-shirts 
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>> That, paired with some Jcrew Dock Shorts and a pair of Bedrock sandals is my 
>> go-to bike fit for May-September. 
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>> Whenever I wear pants on the bike, the drive side pant leg is always folded 
>> over to take in slack and tucked into my sock. 
>> 
>> - Christian in Colorado, 
>> who just learned how to respond to this group on a cell phone…
>> On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 5:24:38 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Steve - I love your style, both bike and outfit! How is that Platy treating 
>> you? 
>> 
>> Sally - great use of the poodle sock, and you know I fully support a 
>> matching Platypus! Though I do so love a Clem, too…
>> 
>> I’m going to put on a fall outfit today, but I haven’t decided if it will be 
>> my freshly-hemmed wide leg trousers yet. I shudder when I think of trying to 
>> keep them out of the chainrings of my mermaid Platy. After years of skinny 
>> jeans they just seem SO WIDE. I did get more leg straps (pink!) so we’ll 
>> see. I’ll post a photo later, if I can get one of these teenagers to help me.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 6:27 PM, Jason Fuller > wrote:
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>>> The late 90s were also my era. I was obsessed with mountain biking then as 
>>> well, although I was less concerned about chain grease on my pants at the 
>>> time. This old photo shows me riding pretty baggy jeans without a tucked 
>>> cuff, but I recall I used to always wear longer socks and tuck my drive 
>>> side pant leg in.  I also wore capri length 

Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[danielle da cruz]

Love the topic, the pics, and stand with Bill on the peg and fold (and the 
hairsprayed bangs though I'm class of '96)! And Leah, I feel your pain 
having recently greased up the leg of my new 
so-pale-blue-they're-nearly-white wide leg overalls.

I ride to work and so don't dress only for my bike. In warmer weather I 
love a shorter dress (Cheviot rider here, though I'll rock a dress on the 
Roadini when it arrives) and love my sneaker pedals to bike in wooden clogs 
and wooden soled sandals. One of those probably saved my foot when I was 
hit on my way to work last summer. My ankle was broken, the shoe smashed to 
pieces, all foot bones intact :) I bought a second pair and wear them 
nearly every ride to work.

For the transition seasons when I'm not yet in socks I do love a good peg 
and fold on the wide leg pants, just have to roll them high enough. 
Otherwise I'd do a tuck into a high sock. Please keep the suggestions and 
photos coming! 

Danielle

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:03:42 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> What a delight to wake up to Luke’s post. I am completely charmed. I love 
> these photos and that Luke has thought his style through and made very 
> specific decisions about what to wear. I love black on black and the JMMs 
> all the jewelry because “men need accessories”!  
>
> You and the bike look awesome. This is so fun. 
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> On Sep 9, 2023, at 11:27 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
> wrote:
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> I rly like wearing all black for ease and cause I’m super lazy. My go to 
> is Ben Davis pants cut into shorts (I like pants that sit at my true waist 
> and have roomy thighs). I also love Vans since they grip flat pedals very, 
> very well. I couple that fit with a WoolyWarm when it’s chillier. I live 
> that sweater, but it’s not the most fashionable lol. I don’t have riding 
> specific sunglasses so I just wear my JMMs and I also wear all of my 
> jewelry bc rings are cool and men need accessories. 
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> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:46:40 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
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>> Well hey, you can make your own pant leg keepers by purchasing some 
>> elastic bungee cord and a cord lock. Any camping/outdoor store sells it by 
>> the foot and cord locks come in a variety of shapes. That way you can get 
>> creative and wrap your leg as high or low as you like by criss-crossing or 
>> any other pattern you come up with ! I've even used good ol' bandanas in a 
>> pinch. With the cord your pants retain their color as all you see is the 
>> little black cord wrapped around your leg. Some places may have have 
>> colored cord. A sewing supplier might also. 
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>> I noticed in the photo Leah posted of her ankle with grease stain the 
>> cuff appears , how do I say . all flared out. I'd suggest when you wrap 
>> your leg,  pull your pants taught at the front, then fold the excess fabric 
>> around the outside of your leg so there's no excess fabric hanging out. 
>> Then put on your straps, leaving enough play for the knee to bend freely. 
>>
>> As for what I wear, since I've gone back to deep drop bar road bike 
>> setups, I'm more in to road wear than ever as it's very functional and 
>> serves a very specific purpose. I had already been wearing bib shorts for 
>> the last 5 years, but since going lower and lower in drop none of my 
>> previous clothing works, there's, there's too much bulk and zippers rubbing 
>> on shorts, none of which is any good !
>> I do have my own style and have a preference for certain color and 
>> combos. Even riding road clothes, you can dress "nice'. . as it's 
>> simply a mater of self respect. Most sold colors of subtle combos of 
>> complimentary colors, no silly patterns or other weird things some clothes 
>> designers come up with. Mostly it's European styles as I find their sense 
>> of function and style very relatable, unlike American stuff !  
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Re: [RBW] Ride Report // Île d'Oléron

[danielle da cruz]

John, this sounds like my dream family vacation. Thanks for 
sharing/inspiring! I second Patrick's sentiments and request for a photo 
repost – I'd love to see them!

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:31:01 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> John: Welcome to the group and thanks for the vacation ride report. 
>
> Can you repost the photos? They did not show up and I expect it's because 
> the files are too big. But from your description they will be well worth 
> seeing.
>
> Patrick Moore
>
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 3:53 AM John Johnson  
> wrote:
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>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I'm posting a ride report. It's my first and I hope this meets your 
>> rigorous group standards for what a "ride" consists of. For me, a ride is a 
>> ride - short or long, intense or easy, fast or party pace. 
>>
>> Most of my rides these days are with my family (wife and 3 year old son). 
>> I am reporting on our week of rides vacationing on the Island of Oléron, of 
>> the coast of France (we live inland near Fontainebleau, so Oléron is only a 
>> few hours' drive away). Oléron is the second largest Island (after Corsica) 
>> in Metropolitan France. It's got a fairly mild climate in winter and summer 
>> and the main industries (if you want to call them that) are oyster farming, 
>> salt production, and wine growing. So, if you like quiet beaches, bikes, 
>> white wine, and oysters, it's not the worst place to spend your vacation. 
>>
>> We took our 2 Clems, a Burley Bee trailer, and our kid's bike on the bike 
>> of the car and drive the 4 and half hours to get to the island, sitting in 
>> traffic to get across the bridge until we finally made it to a small BnB in 
>> the village of Dolus. We then parked the car and didn't touch it for the 
>> rest of the week. All our trips around the island were by bike and it is 
>> almost a perfect island for bike exploring on bike paths or dedicated bike 
>> lanes (there's only a few places we found where you can't avoid going onto 
>> a big main road with not shoulder). There are over 130 km of dedicated bike 
>> paths on the 30x8km island.
>>
>> The weather was less than stellar the first day we arrived - it was 
>> raining most of the drive to the island, and though the rain had stopped, 
>> it was cold and dreary the first day. That first evening we rode down to La 
>> Chevalerie for an "Oyster festival" though, I think it was just an ad hoc 
>> restaurant that one of the oyster farms set up for people vacationing on 
>> the island. Either way, I had the best oysters I've ever had, really great 
>> moules frites (which, we probably ate at least once a day while we were 
>> there), and decent bottle of local Pineau. We shivered a bit sitting 
>> outside with our meal, but once we were back on our bikes and riding 
>> through the cold night air, it was extremely pleasant riding weather. 
>>
>> The rest of the week , it was warm, sunny and yeah, more/less perfect for 
>> riding and swimming.
>>
>> Our rides consisted mostly of riding la Cotinière or St. Pierre d'Oléron 
>> a few km away, or a slightly longer ride to St. Trojan les Bains in the 
>> south (to ride the famous little train that's there) or go see Fort Boyard 
>> from Boyardville. The routes to St Trojan or Boyardville go through tons of 
>> oyster-beds, and it's nice rustic scenery to ride through. The island is 
>> almost perfectly flat, so there's not much elevation to speak of - most of 
>> our rides were meandering around, stopping to look at horses, take photos, 
>> or check google maps again because we had gotten off track. Most of the 
>> bike routes are gravel or paved, but a few of them went through small 
>> forest tracks and we found ourselves in a bit of mud the first couple 
>> nights riding back in the dark after dinner (Google maps has some fun ideas 
>> about bike routes - definitely can take you off the beaten path, sometimes 
>> right into someone's garden, but always an adventure. After a few er, um... 
>> mistakes, we starting paying better attention to the bike path signs and 
>> stuck to them a bit more closely). 
>>
>> Our pace was probably around 20 km/hour on average, not fast riding for 
>> sure, but definitely taking in the scenery. And with a kid on board, the 
>> joy is exploring, rather than fast riding anyway. He kept up his own 
>> though, riding a few kilometers here and there when we were in dedicated 
>> bike paths and getting in the trailer or the child seat for the longer 
>> rides. And Oléron proved to be ruggedly beautiful, blue-collar, calm, with 
>> lots to explore: everything you'd want in a family vacation by bike. 
>>
>> Anyway, that's my "ride report". And here are a few photos.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> John
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[danielle da cruz]

Congrats, Johnny! Excited to see what you do with it.

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 8:43:07 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The Roadini frames were in stock long enough to tempt me into getting one. 
> Dark gold one coming my way.
>
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:49:40 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Garth, FWIW I really like those VO Grand Cru calipers. I replaced a set 
>> of Record 80's calipers/brake levers with Grand Crus and the TRP levers 
>> someone posted about recently and it's a combo I've been really happy 
>> with.If it matters, a number of years ago in *Bicycle Quarterly* Jan 
>> Heine did an extensive and favorable review of this brakeset ...not sure if 
>> it's available online or not. But to my mind they really work 
>> well...although I admit I don't live in the mountains. They're good-looking 
>> brakes as well.$175 per set does not seem unreasonable
>>
>> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 6:18:36 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
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>>> I have no idea where the frames are being made or any of the other 
>>> particulars beyond what was printed by VO. Taiwan is likely of course as I 
>>> think that's where they have the majority of the business relationships. 
>>> I'm eager to try their Grand Cru calipers too. I've never used any caliper 
>>> besides a Suntour somethingoranother in the 70's and Campy Record of the 
>>> 80's. 
>>>
>>> The main difference with the VO and the Riv models is one of how the 
>>> rider is positioned over the BB. The VO is much more body forward, with a 
>>> steeper seat tube angle(73.5 vs. 72), and notably more reach and longer 
>>> font end. Also more fork rake, less trail, around 51 think, and a higher 
>>> BB, all of which suits me. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:42:04 PM UTC-4 jrst wrote:
>>>
>>> Garth, looks really nice. Are they made in Taiwan? Enjoy 
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:09 PM Garth  wrote:
>>>
>>> I pre-ordered the VO Rando today. Through the 6th the frames are 
>>> discounted 20% for pre-orders.  I hadn't even been aware of them. Road bike 
>>> heaven, Yippee ! 
>>>
>>> I finally got the drop bars on my Franklin and I had forgotten how much 
>>> I love riding them, so I'm going the exact opposite of what Riv is doing, 
>>> I'm all in on going back to pure road bikes. 
>>>
>>> https://velo-orange.com/products/rando-frameset
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] New Member Introduction—Sam Hillborne commuter

[danielle da cruz]

We’re bound to see each other someday, I cross Concord at the Sunoco and head 
up to Garden too. I then ride through the common to get over to the science 
area. Brattle is a beautiful ride and I’m loving the new bike lanes both there 
and on Garden...and the new bike traffic lights. So many great improvements for 
the commute in just the past year. Enjoy the ride!



> On Jul 28, 2023, at 7:30 PM, Jorge Espada Vick  wrote:
> 
> I go down Concord then Garden into Harvard Square, but that’s relatively 
> recent. My prior commute was down Brattle, which I really enjoyed!
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 7:23 PM, danielle da cruz  <mailto:On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 7:23 PM, danielle da cruz <> wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, wow! My ride is from Concord Ave at the Belmont line to Harvard campus 
>> and I’m frequently pulling along a lazy puppy in a green trailer…you can’t 
>> miss me :) I’ll be sure to be on the lookout for orange bikes now!
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2023, at 7:20 PM, Jorge Espada Vick >> <mailto:j...@guagua.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you, both! Danielle, mine’s a Belmont-Cambridge commute—I’ll keep an 
>>> eye out, though I tend to notice orange bikes without trying! Jorge
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 3:18 PM, danielle da cruz 
>>> mailto:On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 3:18 PM, 
>>> danielle da cruz <> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Jorge!
>>>> 
>>>> Also a Boston-area commuter here (Cambridge), and a fellow orange Riv 
>>>> rider! I have a Cheviot (with a Roadini on the way). I don't see many 
>>>> Riv's around and will keep my eye out for yours :)
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Danielle
>>>> 
>>>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:12:51 PM UTC-4 Keith P. wrote:
>>>> Welcome Jorge!
>>>> 
>>>> k.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 28, 2023, at 9:53 AM, Jorge Espada Vick >>>> > wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello, just wanted to introduce myself—I’m an on and off bike commuter 
>>>>> that is currently “on.” I did one year of four seasons (Boston-area), but 
>>>>> I may skip winter this year, more because of darkness than snow. My Sam 
>>>>> Hillborne has been my bike the entire time (from 2009-10ish) and has 
>>>>> essentially been my only adult bike—there was a long gap between it and a 
>>>>> series of Toys-R-Us BMXs. I enjoy following conversations on this forum 
>>>>> and the general un-racer attitude of Rivendell. My knowledge of bike 
>>>>> mechanics and parts is close to nil, but I’m interested in learning and 
>>>>> doing more on my Sam and appreciating it more on that level. Looking 
>>>>> forward to learning from all of you about both practical and more 
>>>>> philosophical aspects of riding, and riding a Rivendell specifically. 
>>>>> Jorge
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Re: [RBW] New Member Introduction—Sam Hillborne commuter

[danielle da cruz]

Ah, wow! My ride is from Concord Ave at the Belmont line to Harvard campus and 
I’m frequently pulling along a lazy puppy in a green trailer…you can’t miss me 
:) I’ll be sure to be on the lookout for orange bikes now!

> On Jul 28, 2023, at 7:20 PM, Jorge Espada Vick  wrote:
> 
> Thank you, both! Danielle, mine’s a Belmont-Cambridge commute—I’ll keep an 
> eye out, though I tend to notice orange bikes without trying! Jorge
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 3:18 PM, danielle da cruz  <mailto:On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 3:18 PM, danielle da cruz <> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jorge!
>> 
>> Also a Boston-area commuter here (Cambridge), and a fellow orange Riv rider! 
>> I have a Cheviot (with a Roadini on the way). I don't see many Riv's around 
>> and will keep my eye out for yours :)
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Danielle
>> 
>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:12:51 PM UTC-4 Keith P. wrote:
>> Welcome Jorge!
>> 
>> k.
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2023, at 9:53 AM, Jorge Espada Vick >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, just wanted to introduce myself—I’m an on and off bike commuter 
>>> that is currently “on.” I did one year of four seasons (Boston-area), but I 
>>> may skip winter this year, more because of darkness than snow. My Sam 
>>> Hillborne has been my bike the entire time (from 2009-10ish) and has 
>>> essentially been my only adult bike—there was a long gap between it and a 
>>> series of Toys-R-Us BMXs. I enjoy following conversations on this forum and 
>>> the general un-racer attitude of Rivendell. My knowledge of bike mechanics 
>>> and parts is close to nil, but I’m interested in learning and doing more on 
>>> my Sam and appreciating it more on that level. Looking forward to learning 
>>> from all of you about both practical and more philosophical aspects of 
>>> riding, and riding a Rivendell specifically. Jorge
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] New Member Introduction—Sam Hillborne commuter

[danielle da cruz]

Hi Jorge!

Also a Boston-area commuter here (Cambridge), and a fellow orange Riv 
rider! I have a Cheviot (with a Roadini on the way). I don't see many Riv's 
around and will keep my eye out for yours :)

Cheers,
Danielle

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 1:12:51 PM UTC-4 Keith P. wrote:

> Welcome Jorge!
>
> k.
>
> On Jul 28, 2023, at 9:53 AM, Jorge Espada Vick  wrote:
>
> Hello, just wanted to introduce myself—I’m an on and off bike commuter 
> that is currently “on.” I did one year of four seasons (Boston-area), but I 
> may skip winter this year, more because of darkness than snow. My Sam 
> Hillborne has been my bike the entire time (from 2009-10ish) and has 
> essentially been my only adult bike—there was a long gap between it and a 
> series of Toys-R-Us BMXs. I enjoy following conversations on this forum and 
> the general un-racer attitude of Rivendell. My knowledge of bike mechanics 
> and parts is close to nil, but I’m interested in learning and doing more on 
> my Sam and appreciating it more on that level. Looking forward to learning 
> from all of you about both practical and more philosophical aspects of 
> riding, and riding a Rivendell specifically. Jorge
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Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[danielle da cruz]

;>
>>> On Jul 21, 2023, at 9:43 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Danielle,
>>>
>>> As a suggestion in protecting your new Sergio Green Roadini bicycle, 
>>> you might want to use some this helicopter tape. I bought some with plenty 
>>> left over from my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike in protecting her against the 
>>> elements.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QC6H90/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8=1
>>>
>>> BTW... I love your storytelling, as well. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 5:02:44 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>>> @Danielle I have used both the loscos and the chocos. There is not a 
>>>> huge difference to be honest but if you are OK with the narrow width I can 
>>>> say that I don't think there is a handlebar on the planet that is better 
>>>> looking than the losco bar. 
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:55:48 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> …Or he’d surely be out on the street, looking for cover. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Jock
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 1:43 PM John Dewey  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Danielle, you have the patience of a saint. Your partner is lucky 
>>>>>> man, truly living a charmed life. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jock
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 10:51 PM danielle da cruz <
>>>>>> daniell...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This story hit me in the worst way. Six years ago for a milestone 
>>>>>>> birthday I decided to purchase a beautiful orange Cheviot from Riv. I'd 
>>>>>>> jumped on one that was too large for me that our local bike shop had on 
>>>>>>> display and from that moment on could think of nothing else. I felt 
>>>>>>> like a 
>>>>>>> bird taking flight on that bike, so we placed the order for my size and 
>>>>>>> waited for delivery. I got notice when it arrived and raced home to 
>>>>>>> find 
>>>>>>> that my ever-helpful partner had opened the box and was already 
>>>>>>> assembling 
>>>>>>> it (you know where this is going)... 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On our concrete walkway.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> With the frame laying on the bare ground, scratching along as he 
>>>>>>> moved it. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Taking a bite out of "v" in the Cheviot. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Instant decal damage on day one. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scratched down to the steel. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I feel sick to my stomach even thinking about it again. And so from 
>>>>>>> moment one it was no longer pristine. Very special of course, but not 
>>>>>>> entirely precious and future scrapes have gone down easier. Now I have 
>>>>>>> my 
>>>>>>> finger on the button again, ready for a Sergio Green Roadini this 
>>>>>>> Thursday. 
>>>>>>> I plan to take D(elivery) Day off from work and be sure my man with a 
>>>>>>> plan 
>>>>>>> is out of the house :) 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: Chev decal.jpeg]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 6:15:59 PM UTC-4 Mojo wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the winter of 2011, I bought a Mark- Nobilette-built Legolas. It 
>>>>>>>> was serious overlap with my 2001 custom Riv Road and 2005 Quickbeam. I 
>>>>>>>> justified it as my mixed-surface, foul-weather, fine-riding bike. I 
>>>>>>>> built 
>>>>>>>> it up during that winter with pleasing-to-me parts including a Ritchey 
>>>>>>>> Logic crank and a Shimergo drive train (Campy 11-spd Chorus brifters 
>>>>>>>> mated 
>>>>>>>> to Shimano 9 speed XT derailers (12-36 to 34/46 gearing)). My very 
>>>>>>>> first 
>>>>>&g

Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[danielle da cruz]

Thanks to all for the kind and thoughtful responses!

@Jason I get what you're saying and had been thinking about the Albastache 
for months. I do like the reach on it and the more assertive set up (why 
does aggressive feel wrong to me in the context of me biking??). What 
ultimately pulled me away was the brake set up. I put inverse levers on the 
Porteur and liked having my hand at the levers for my mostly city riding 
through traffic. Now you've got me thinking about the Albatross upside down 
:)

@Jock I too hope he knows how lucky he is! At the time it happened I didn't 
even mention it to him, knowing how much he'd beat himself up if he knew 
what happened in a moment of carelessness. We had a riding date out to 
dinner last night and I mentioned over a beer that I shared this story that 
he of course didn't remember, having never been told. He asked me to show 
him my post...I declined :p

@Johnny Truly appreciate hearing this from someone who's tried both! I'm 
also really drawn to the beauty of that bar and am dreaming up elaborate 
bar tape combos a la Grant and Blue Lug. I'm still thinking I might want to 
shave off a bit the swept back length if it wouldn't compromise anything 

@Kim Thank you, great advice and wise move, especially thinking of anytime 
it's put on the rack to accompany us on vacation (looking at you @Leah and 
your upcoming trip). Maybe it'll only be the Chev that rides the rack. 
Maybe I'll just accept that inevitable chips and scratches that are sure to 
come, like the scars we wear having lived. Or maybe I'll just gather all 
our old cloth diapers and swaddle it for the ride...

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:08:46 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I was reminded of you guys today when I was looking at my bike. My most 
> precious raspberry one is definitely showing minor signs of use. It’s 
> dirty. Gritty, even. And the Platypus decal is marred (just a tiny bit) and 
> I’m seeing small paint chips begin to form.
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>
> I am (unexpectedly) comforted by this, because it means that the bike is 
> having adventures and serving its purpose. I am going to be putting 4 bikes 
> on my rack for a bike overnight I’m doing with the women of my bike club. I 
> am rather nervous about the jostling and subsequent paint damage that could 
> occur, but I’ve decided it’s worth the risk to have the experience of a 
> real bike adventure.
>
> I was grinning to myself remembering my old Betty, the first “nice” bike I 
> ever had, and how I put all kinds of marks on it and was totally 
> unbothered. I didn’t know it was tragic to mark up your bike at the time. 
> Working on getting back to that!
>
> I know these imperfections are pretty minor, but hey, it’s progress in the 
> life of this bike!
> Leah
>
> On Jul 21, 2023, at 9:43 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>
>  
>
> Danielle,
>
> As a suggestion in protecting your new Sergio Green Roadini bicycle, you 
> might want to use some this helicopter tape. I bought some with plenty left 
> over from my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike in protecting her against the elements.
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QC6H90/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8=1
>
> BTW... I love your storytelling, as well. 
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 5:02:44 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> @Danielle I have used both the loscos and the chocos. There is not a huge 
>> difference to be honest but if you are OK with the narrow width I can say 
>> that I don't think there is a handlebar on the planet that is better 
>> looking than the losco bar. 
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 7:55:48 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> …Or he’d surely be out on the street, looking for cover. 
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 1:43 PM John Dewey  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Danielle, you have the patience of a saint. Your partner is lucky man, 
>>>> truly living a charmed life. 
>>>>
>>>> Jock
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 10:51 PM danielle da cruz  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This story hit me in the worst way. Six years ago for a milestone 
>>>>> birthday I decided to purchase a beautiful orange Cheviot from Riv. I'd 
>>>>> jumped on one that was too large for me that our local bike shop had on 
>>>>> display and from that moment on could think of nothing else. I felt like 
>>>>> a 
>>>>> bird taking flight on that bike, so we placed the order for my size and 
>>>>> waited for delivery. I got notice when it arrived and raced home to find 
>>>>&g

Re: [RBW] ISO Roadini...or?

[danielle da cruz]

Thanks for posting your most recent review, Piaw. I've been eyeing the 
Roadini after losing a fun 80s Peugeot to an SUV running a red light last 
summer. I have a Cheviot that I adore but found myself always grabbing the 
Peugeot for my three-mile road commute into work, or even for just fun, 
spritely rides along the Charles River here in Cambridge. I reached out to 
Will at the time to see if he thought the Roadini might give me close to 
the experience I had on the smashed bike and I trust his assessment that it 
will feel lighter and more nimble than the Cheviot. Also loving the 
Sergio's Green, same as the OP3pm can't get here fast enough :)

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:36:21 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I wrote 2 reviews of my Roadini: 
> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html, 
> https://blog.piaw.net/2022/10/putting-together-my-roadini.html
>
> It's a great bike. If you like Grant designed bikes, you will like the 
> Roadini. But you have to be sure you want a road bike.
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 8:32 AM Tim Bantham  wrote:
>
>> Well I was all set to buy one of these Roadini frames today but now I'm 
>> having second thoughts. Like some of you have mentioned I find them 
>> aesthetically pleasing (especially the Sergio's Green) but I am feeling 
>> unsure about whether or not I would be happy with how it rides.  I've 
>> churned through too many bikes and I just don't want to make the same 
>> mistake.. It's an affliction that we all share. I have a Sam that I 
>> absolutely love. It's my first Riv and I decided that I never want to part 
>> with it.  My only other experience with a tig welded Riv was a Clem H. I 
>> realize that this is subjective but the Clem H didn't do it for me at all. 
>> I sold it not long after I finished the build. 
>> I'm afraid I might have the same experience with a the Roadini. I feel 
>> like I need to trust my instincts but the pull of FOMO is very strong. 
>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:47:27 AM UTC-4 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>>
>>> Since I now own both a Sam and a Roadini (as of last month), the latter 
>>> is noticeably zippier. The difference I feel in going from a stop to 
>>> accelerating to a normal cruising speed is palpable. The Roadini just gets 
>>> there faster and climbs more nimbly. My feelings seem to be supported by 
>>> data. Now we’re not talking crazy differences in speed, but my rather flat 
>>> commute   is somewhere around 14mph on the Sam and exceeds 15mph on the 
>>> Roadini. (Though nobody rides a riv to break speed records, I like mapping 
>>> my rides to keep track of mileage, and as a side benefit, I get to see the 
>>> speeds, too.)
>>>
>>> The Sam has a nitto rack/Wald 137/sugarloaf, while the Roadini has just 
>>> a Fab’s Abs handlebar bag and a tiny Acorn bag in the rear for 
>>> tools/tubes/patch kit. 
>>>
>>> At this point I see myself leaning on the Roadini except in cases where 
>>> I need to carry more stuff. Tire clearance is about the same between my 
>>> 2015 side pull Sam and ‘22 Roadini. The Sam of course has braze-ons 
>>> that the Roadini doesn’t. 
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 7:22:47 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 My '93 RB-1 fit 32mm Avocet inverted thread cross-type tires. I bought 
 the frame and fork (it came with a headset) and weighed it at the time. It 
 was 6.2 pounds or so (corroborated here: 
 https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/778487-bridgestone-rb-1-1993-a.html).
  
 My Roadini, by contrast weighed about a pound more. I put some parts I had 
 lying around and on it and it weighed about 22 pounds ready to ride 
 (pedals, bottle cages, etc). I can't tell whether it's stiffer, but it's 
 definitely more flexy than my Ti touring bike which has 43cm chainstays 
 and 
 is modeled after the RB-1.

 On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:35:06 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I wish I had a breakdown by model and year (I don't!) but the 
> Bridgestone RB series varied the tire clearances by year. Some years fit 
> a 
> bigger tire than others. For example, the TIG welded 1990 RB-2 could 
> clear 
> a 32mm tire. I haven't encountered apocrypha indicating *any* RB-1 
> could clear more than a 28mm. 
>
> More on that 1990 RB-2 here: 
> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/pdfs/bstoneRB2synergy1990.pdf
>
> As Ex Lion Tamer alludes to, there are other frames out there you can 
> find that are cheaper than a top tier Bridgestone. Those frames have a 
> lot 
> of cache and often are not cheap. 
>
> Here's another helpful iBOB thread with some discussion on RB-1 ride 
> quality and suggestions for other frames to seek out: 
> https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/IYFf1tLmYPM/ 
>
> Grant would say that any Riv is better than any Bridgestone. Better 
> made and without