Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah

You stated wrt tires " Both bikes have Velocity Quills, set up tubeless, 
but the Racing Platy has 42mm Ultradynamicos and the My Little Platy has 48 
mm Gravel Kings."
If both bikes are 650B, then the Angular Moment of Inertia is slightly 
higher for the 48's (larger radius, tires weigh more), so the 48s 
accelerate a little slower vs the 42's
If the 42's are 700C, the Moment of Inertia for the 42s is higher than a 
650B (larger radius) and the difference in acceleration would be less.

You stated wrt to front end shaking  "The front end feels a bit shaky when 
I stand and pedal, another thing I don’t understand. These are Albatross 
bars and I have Billies on the others. Also, this bike has a front rack. 
Maybe that’s why."
Both bikes have almost identical trail and wheel flop (assuming fork rake 
is the same since they are both stock Platy's) and the high flop causes 
side to side motion which is amplified by front weight.   So if the other 
bike has NO front rack, then the "shakiness" may be the 'amplified" side to 
side motion.  Not sure if you notice this only at low speed when climbing 
or when riding around the neighborhood at low speed (generally < 6 to 8 
mph).High wheel flop is the downside of high trail.
If the new bike bars have a shorter lever arm to the stem, then you may be 
overcompensating the side to side motion compared to the other bike

Hope this helps.   I think you did a superlative job on this new bike, 
figuring out everything in advance.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ
On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 8:55:44 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> I’ve had so much fun putting the first 50 miles on my new bike. I love 
> looking at it and wish I could see it when I’m riding it. The spokes do 
> gleam in the sun as the wheels rotate, which thrills me. I don’t know 
> anything, but it feels to me like my 700c wheels are faster than these 
> 650b. I am not slow on them, but also I would never use this bike for a 
> club ride if my other Platy was in the shop. Both bikes have Velocity 
> Quills, set up tubeless, but the Racing Platy has 42mm Ultradynamicos and 
> the My Little Platy has 48 mm Gravel Kings. Maybe these things are the real 
> differences, I don’t know.
>
> The bike is more compact and manageable but does not feel too small. I’m 
> so grateful for my 81 cm PBH, which allows me the flexibility to ride both 
> frame sizes. I have pretty heavy racks on the My Little Platy and yet the 
> bike doesn’t feel THAT heavy. I bet it would feel light as a feather if I 
> didn’t have fenders, racks, dyno and bags all over it. 
>
> The Silver shifters are taking some getting used to. One wingnut handle 
> flops and the other stays in place. The shifting was like butter, but when 
> I tightened the nut (hoping to stop the handle flapping) it made the lever 
> difficult to move. So, I loosened it again and I’m having some ghost 
> shifting. On my red bike, I have Microshift and I never miss a gear. I can 
> hit it perfectly, every darn time. Hoping I get the hang of these shifters, 
> because they come highly lauded. 
>
> The front end feels a bit shaky when I stand and pedal, another thing I 
> don’t understand. These are Albatross bars and I have Billies on the 
> others. Also, this bike has a front rack. Maybe that’s why. 
>
> At any rate, I have a lot to think about, fine tune and to learn. And I’m 
> having such fun in the process.
> Leah
>
>
> On May 24, 2024, at 7:44 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> So deep. I couldn’t stand putting a solid color on the spacer when I saw 
> so many oil slick option in 1 1/4 inch. Sure enough, the BMXers came 
> through with the 1 in for me.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 24, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Wesley  wrote:
>
> You know you're in deep when you're sourcing BMX parts to get the look 
> right. It's funny how the bike world is almost completely separated between 
> BMX and all other bikes - the brands, the language, and the parts standards 
> apparently have almost no contact across the divide.
> -Wes
> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 3:51:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> IMO this ties with the other customized Platypus featured here recently 
>> for "nicest-looking Platypus in list history," and it probably wins the 
>> award for "most attention paid to aesthetics" in list history. Note: I 
>> think very many of the Rivs posted are lovely to look at.
>>
>> Me, as with Mitch, "I am a guy." I am fully OC about my bikes for parts 
>> and builds and design (I remember most of the parts from my first 1970 full 
>> build), but not aesthetics, and it's interesting to see how others' 
>> passions turn out.
>>
>> Cerakoting is new to me; had to Google it. I s

Re: [RBW] Track Supermarket

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Garth

Thanks for directions to the 2024 Nitto catalogue

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 5:15:56 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> The catalog is on their home page, upper right in big letters :* PDF 
> Catalog * :)  
> https://nitto-tokyo.sakura.ne.jp/index-E.html
>
>
> On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 4:27:02 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote:
>
>> On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 11:49:33 AM UTC-4 Keith P. wrote:
>>
>> Where does one get a Nitto catalog?!
>> k.
>>
>>
>> Inquiring minds must know! 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Big Joe goes to Snowdonia

[John Bokman]

Fantastic shots! Thanks so much. Looks like a hoot!


John
On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 2:28:08 AM UTC-7 Nicholas A wrote:

> [image: IMG_9184.jpg]

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[RBW] Re: WTB/T Nitto Tallux 5cm Stem

[John Rinker]

I'm going to bump this because I'm still looking. With all the bar swapping 
going on around here, I'm hoping someone might have one of these that needs 
a new home. 

While I'm at it, I'm also looking for some Silver Shifters (1st gen) in 
good shape.

Cheers, John
On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 7:44:49 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Thank you, Michael! This will certainly be my next step after I give the 
> 'reduce, reuse' strategy a go. 
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 3:42:37 PM UTC-8 Michael Connors wrote:
>
>> Crust has 5cm x 250 Technomic stems for $55
>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/stems/products/nitto-technomic-stem
>>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 4:59:06 PM UTC-6 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Gonna bump this 'cause I'm still hoping someone's holding. Cheers. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 10:56:24 AM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good morning,
>>>>
>>>> Looking to shorten my reach a bit, and I'm wondering if one of you 
>>>> might be holding a Nitto Tallux 5 or 6cm stem (25.4, 225mm). I'm happy to 
>>>> purchase or I have an 8cm, 26.0 for trade.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, John
>>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Heron Road Seatpost Size?

[John Dewey]

I had a severaL great / memorable years working for RS in south central WI.
A time and place for everything, right?

Can confirm some WF issues with seatpins...of course, always smart to keep
some old beer can shims handy. And when they're too tight, not so
desirable—really scuffs up an otherwise beautiful (and $$$) Nitto bit.

Jock



On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 8:25 AM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 8:19:16 PM UTC-5 Zac wrote:
>
> Can anyone confirm the seat post on their Heron Road is 27.2mm?
>
> All of the ones made under my watch were 27.2 nominally, but the W'ford
> reamer was a bit out of spec and some of them needed 27.4 posts to keep
> from slipping. I'm pretty sure the 27.2 spec stayed through the Todd Kuzma
> era.
>
> The "ears" on the Heron seat clusters will bend inward if the seat post
> bolt is over-tightened, which it has to be if you have one of the 27.4
> frames. I ended up breaking a seat post bolt because of that.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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[RBW] Re: Will the 50cm Susie be too small?

[John C]

Too late! I actually went with the gold in 50cm. 

FWIW, I compared the frame size after delivery to my vintage Stumpjumper 
(with Ron's Ortho bars), and Bombora. I actually don't think it will be an 
issue. The Susie has a much longer TT and both of those bikes fit me well. 

I'll post up the final build once it's complete. 



On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 12:39:04 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> I'd second the opinion that you want the medium.  As another with a 
> proportionally long torso, Rivendell (or even most other bikes)  rarely 
> have a long enough top tube for me.  The beauty of the susie is that you 
> can get a longer bike and still have standover clearance.  You might find 
> the stack height a bit tall, but you can play with stems to de-emphasize 
> that.  It'll probably be the best-fitting bike you've ever owned.
>
> On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 1:23:44 PM UTC-6 Ginz wrote:
>
>> How long are your arms?  For me, that would be the deciding factor as to 
>> whether I'd want a longer or shorter top tube.
>>
>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 8:37:05 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>
>>> I am 5'6 with an 83 pbh and not long torso. For me, the medium Susie is 
>>> perfect. The bike overall feels big in a very fun way but the dimensions 
>>> within the cockpit are quite comfy. In fact, my bosco bars are a little 
>>> closer than I'd normally choose but the bike came with them and I'm not 
>>> sufficiently motivated to make any changes. In this photo, the top of my 
>>> saddle is at 72 and the bottom of its rails are at 64. There is plenty of 
>>> room to lower the saddle. On the other side, the dirt drop stem, which you 
>>> cannot see, is completely slammed. With a different combination of stem and 
>>> bars, you could likely make it work for you. I think it depends on whether 
>>> you instinctively prefer a compact feeling frame or a larger one. I've 
>>> always liked being on larger-feeling bikes. When in doubt, call Rivendell 
>>> and ask their opinion. Good luck!
>>>
>>> [image: Susie M.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 1:34:17 PM UTC-6 johnwc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hey y’all, longtime lurker here. Looking to potentially pick up my 
 first Riv and have a few questions about sizing. Maybe someone with 
 similar 
 measurements and own a Susie/Gus could chime in. 

 I’m looking at the 50cm in gold color. Riv says:


- 50cm  (650B wheels): 74-76cm. Saddle height: 63cm to 65cm
- 53cm (650B wheels):  77-88cm. Saddle height: 66cm to 77cm

 My PBH is: 76.5cm-78cm measured multiple times. I’m 5’6 with a longer 
 torso. 

 Saddle height: 64cm (most of my bikes are Riv inspired vtg MTBs with 
 upright bars and this feels comfy for me)

 Seems like I'm on the edge between Med / Small. Can the small fit 
 without feeling too cramped? FWIW, I rode a Gus test bike years ago at 
 Rivelo here in PDX while it was still open. They were fantastic, but 
 unfortunately I can't remember if I rode a small or med size frame.  




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Re: [RBW] Adventures in (Re) building my Saluki

[John Dewey]

Thanks, Eric.

On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 7:32 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> That's a great looking build, Michael! Sorry about all the compounded
> mechanicals. Mama said there'd be days!
>
> Jock, always nice to see one of your elegant builds.
>
> On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 10:23:09 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Lovely setup.
>>
>> On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 8:07 AM John Dewey  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yikes, MH. What an adventure. Plenty of fortitude and patience required.
>>> I rebuilt this one but not quite so exciting thankfully. Actually the
>>> trials and tribulations only make the bonds stronger, right? You now know
>>> the bike really well,,,inside and out.
>>>
>>> Good on ya for sticking with it.
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 5:50 PM Michael Hechmer 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You may remember my previous post after retrieving my Saluki ( Serial
>>>> #007) from the powder coating shop in White River Jct Vt.   I thought the
>>>> rebuild would be simple and straight forward.  What could go wrong?!!
>>>>
>>>> First, I discovered that the threads in the BB shell needed to be
>>>> re-chased.  This required 25 miles of driving (rt) to the Village Bicycle
>>>> Shop in Richmond, Vt.  Home again things went well until I tried to.
>>>> remount the rear fender.  Now realizing that all the eyelits also needed to
>>>> be re-chased .  Another 25 miles of driving, only to discover  that a
>>>> family emergency  had lead to an unscheduled closing.  Tried again the next
>>>> day..  Along the way I recognized that the stem would not tighten down.  I
>>>> figured out that the wedge shaped nut was disconnected from the long stem
>>>> bolt, and jammed in the head tube..  This required removing the stem, HB,
>>>> brakes,  fenders and fork in order drive the now deformed nut out of the
>>>> head tube.  Had another in my spare parts bin.   OK.  Now with everything
>>>> (almost) tightened down, I set out on a shakedown  ride.
>>>>
>>>> What a joy!  I didn't buy any new parts for this rebuild but am still
>>>> leaning toward a new front rack.  Contrary to GPs opinions I really
>>>> appreciate hi end Paul's breaks, TA rings, and Campy derailleurs and smooth
>>>> shifting..  I rode along grooving on the sweet, neutral handling of the
>>>> Saluki; the easy & comfy rolling of the PariMoto 45 mm tires.  No break
>>>> squeak from my Pauls Neo Retros.  Then, about 6 miles from home all hell
>>>> broke loose!
>>>>
>>>> Actually what broke was one tiny bolt holding the rear deraileur cage
>>>> together.  That left me  without a pulley or functioning rear derailer.
>>>> Fortunately I was uphill from home so could coast  half the way home, where
>>>> I discovered the remaining half of the deraileur (Campy Centaur) was wedged
>>>>  between cogs in the cassette.  It turned out I had another Campy Centaur
>>>> deraileur to use. Yea.
>>>>
>>>> To deliver the coup, either in the process of wedging itself or my
>>>> effort to free the derairller managed to damage the threads in the dropout
>>>> and neither derailleur would rethread into the frame..  Another trip to a
>>>> bike shop.
>>>>
>>>> It turned out that the replacement derailleur also had a broken part,
>>>> which is probably why it was in a box of random parts.  After some some
>>>> despair, (and a drink) I found a way to combine the two broken derailleurs
>>>> into one functioning part!
>>>>
>>>> Tomorrow will try another ride.  It looks good.
>>>>
>>>> Some pics: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0oGGXqixGEaeNt
>>>>
>>>> I guess we all have days/weeks like this.
>>>> Michael
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Re: [RBW] TRP RRL vs Shimano Tiagra

[John Bokman]

I have both levers on different bikes. I guess I have smaller hands (though 
I wear a medium or large sized glove). At any rate, I prefer the simple 
Shimano. The TRP RRL are too wide for my mitts. Sure enough, I can use them 
(and have been, for 9 or 10 years now), but I find them wider and bulkier 
than I prefer. Also, the button that releases cable tension has jammed and 
no amount of fidgeting has released them. Doesn't affect the braking, only 
the ability to use one neat feature of the brake levers. As Steve mentions, 
one advantage of the RRL is that the breaking power from the hoods is quite 
good.  In sum: both are fine. I think the Shimano are better than fine in 
my hands, and less expensive to boot. 

John

On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 7:16:45 PM UTC-7 Steve wrote:

> I've always found the Shimano levers to be just fine, but for my hands 
> (glove size lg to xl) the TRPs with their wider hoods are so much better. I 
> also find the curved levers provide more effective braking from the hoods. 
> My $0.02
>
> Steve in AVL
>
> On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 9:39:28 PM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>
>>
>> I have the same size hands as my 5'2 wife.. so your mileage may vary.
>> The Shimano aero levers have been called other names over the last couple 
>> decades, but there seems to be one mold. So Tiagra will serve as a name. I 
>> find them supremely comfortable, becuase they fit my hands. 
>> My other favorite -- not quite as good, but non-aero and fits a Mirrycle 
>> bar -- is 1980s Campy, e.g. Triomphe. Much smaller than modern brifters, or 
>> the aero Tektro levers. 
>>
>> It's going to come down to what works for you.
>>
>> The reach issue is simply a function of size; if you're close to the 
>> limit, an extra inch of reach due to oversize drop bar levers is not going 
>> to seem like a good idea. But the cause is not the brifters, it's a 
>> too-large frame and/or stem.
>>
>> cheers -m
>>
>> On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 9:30:02 PM UTC-4 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Mike . Good point . Though I have smallish hands for my height ( 
>>> wrist size 6.25 inches). But I do see your point . Appreciate your insight.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 18:19 mikel...@juno.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> i find the Tiagras too narrow.
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[john Bokman]

Thanks for the shots of your bikes Ted. The Waterford is gorgeous, but I must 
say, one simply cannot top the Copper Metallic finish! Absolutely stunning.

John

> On May 16, 2024, at 7:44 AM, Ted Durant  wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 12:27:43 PM UTC-5 John Bokman wrote:
> Ted, I am sure you've posted it before, but I'd love to see a picture of your 
> Waterford. The ST-22 was one bike I always wanted to acquire, even though I 
> now have a Sam.
> 
> Recent photos of my ST-22 are in this post. (OM-D/Lumix 20/f1.7)
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/esIOMdJNPv4/m/5cxCfI6JAAAJ
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> Coupler'ed Bleriot in Waterford Copper Metallic with cream head tube and fork:
> 
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[John Rinker]

Uh oh, Tony, I see another thread germinating: Great Breweries My Riv 
Steers Me Towards. Ha! 

Cheers, John

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 1:31:48 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> @Patrick -- Great beer in Arcata. Look up the Lost Coast Brewery if you're 
> ever in the area.
>
> On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 10:37:02 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Lovely photos. Thanks. Among many other very interesting aspects of all 
>> the photos people post here is the variety of landscape. I had to Google 
>> Arcata, but it seems that it's really Pacific Northwest with the wet and 
>> cool and very, very green climate thereof.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 9:27 PM jamin orrall  wrote:
>>
>>> Nice ride through the redwoods this morning in Arcata, CA
>>>
>>> [image: bike ride -8 Large.jpeg]
>>> [image: bike ride -6 Large.jpeg][image: bike ride -7 Large.jpeg]
>>> [image: bike ride -9 Large.jpeg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[John Bokman]

Ted, I am sure you've posted it before, but I'd love to see a picture of 
your Waterford. The ST-22 was one bike I always wanted to acquire, even 
though I now have a Sam.

John

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 8:22:48 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

>
> On May 15, 2024, at 10:04 AM, jamin orrall  wrote:
>
> Keith, John, thank you for the compliments. Yes it is a custom color, I 
> can't take credit for it! It was formerly owned by another member of this 
> list named James, he had it repainted at Waterford (where the frame was 
> made).  I believe it is a 2014 model.  I love how it looks in the sun. 
>  Always loved Jimmy Carters riv! 
>
>
> It’s Waterford’s Copper Metallic. I had them paint my Bleriot with it. I 
> referred to it as root beer with a creamy head. Possibly my favorite bike 
> colorway ever. And, yes, it is mesmerizing in sunlight.
>
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>
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[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[John Rinker]

That bike looks delicious! A very fine build indeed.

Cheers, John

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 7:57:08 PM UTC-7 Mathias Steiner wrote:

> I'm a little mystified by the whole step-through thing, so a Platypus 
> isn't high on my personal list.
>
> But THAT is a great build. You can tell a lot of thought and a lot of love 
> went into it. Beautiful.
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:43:28 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Aren’t the Platys the best? I’m so excited for you to have this beauty 
>> and have it forever. I loved this model so much I ended up with a trio of 
>> them. I regret nothing. My purple Gravel & Travel Platy is being built up 
>> with rainbow and oil slick parts right now, and I’m anxious to see it. It 
>> won’t be classy like your regal purple Platy, though. 
>>
>> Are you going to change to v brakes? How do you like the Silver Shifters? 
>> I got those, too, and it will be my first bike with them. 
>>
>> I look forward to hearing more about your adventures on this new bike and 
>> especially at the LA Invitational Ride! This bike can do almost anything. 
>> 10,000 feet of climbing. Pssshhahhh. No problem. 
>> Leah
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:07:12 PM UTC-4 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> One more little clip of me testing the off-road capabilities. Riding a 
>>> narrower saddle to be able to get my thighs behind it would improve steep, 
>>> technical descents quite a lot. All in all I do NOT miss descending 
>>> rough-ish dirt roads with a rigid bike. I hope it encounter them with 
>>> little frequency. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rw4lpolns8s6x6cyzg07w/IMG_9041.MOV?rlkey=608dbcfa4tx3nxvu36wthlm8a=0
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 4:58:59 PM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>>>
>>>> This last weekend I took it on a mixed terrain ride, about 35 miles 
>>>> with over 3500ft of climbing. I was shocked with how well it handled the 
>>>> route. The lack of friction in the system as a whole, from the white 
>>>> industries hubs, to dura ace bottom bracket, to rene herse extralight 
>>>> tires, made my drop-bar bike feel neglected and abused, that is to say, 
>>>> this bike feels like butter. This sensation was amplified by swapping in 
>>>> SPD pedals for the first time and feeling “connected.” The forward 
>>>> position 
>>>> of the Ortho bars are fantastic for out of the saddle climbing leverage, 
>>>> or 
>>>> on the saddle technical climbing on singletrack, elbows flared down. With 
>>>> 48mm slicks aired a bit down, the long chainstays allowed me to have 
>>>> enough 
>>>> traction to only have to walk one segment. I can’t wait to try it with the 
>>>> Rene Herse knobby equivalent. The ability to tap into a restorative 
>>>> position (aka the default riding position) made the entire route so 
>>>> utterly 
>>>> comfortable, without a hint of a back or neck ache developing. Not 
>>>> something I would be able to say on my drop-bar bike, which has bars 
>>>> levels 
>>>> with the saddle mind you.
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_3348.JPG]
>>>>
>>>> There is so much to write about, I will let you ask any questions you 
>>>> have. Look for a ride report after this weekend, where I will strip the 
>>>> racks off and ride 60+ miles with 10,000ft of climbing with this at the LA 
>>>> Invitational ride. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 4:56:44 PM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The complete build list is as follows. *View all photos here. 
>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/1wbpogiix44fmt9b40o6j/APG3fbw3AAQbjYtT-PK3JrY?rlkey=0dkhnviwb33ouz7tkhl45nqqf=0>
>>>>>  
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> Cockpit features a Nitto 135mm Faceplater Stem with Rons Ortho Bars, 
>>>>> Brooks leather ergon grips with Simworks purple bar ends, Rivendell S2 
>>>>> friction shifters, with harlequin style newbuams purple/yellow wrap with 
>>>>> clear shellac, and a stem-mounted spurcycle bell. S83 seatpost with 
>>>>> Brooks 
>>>>> B17 titanium. NOS Dura-Ace headset.
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_3282.JPG]
>>>>>
>>>>> Brakes feature Paul Canti Levers with Touring Canti’s, Moon units, and 
>>>>> Hunter cycles Nugz for extra cable 

Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[John Rinker]

You bet, Patrick. I'm new at this so from when I arrive at the river to 
launching the boat is about 30 minutes. Same with the deflation and pack 
up. As I become more practiced this time may shrink, but I'm never really 
in much of a hurry.

Cheers, John

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 4:34:56 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> More interesting photos; thanks. Particularly interesting is how small the 
> inflatable packs up for rack carriage. 
>
> How long does it take to unfold and inflate, and afterward to deflate and 
> fold up the boat?
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 9:33 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Here are a few more photos of the Riv-raft from my trip to Salt River 
>> today. Highlights include wild horses fording the river, eyeball to eyeball 
>> with blue herons, multitudes of canyon swallows (or swifts?), and great 
>> swimming.
>> [image: IMG_3356.jpeg]
>> [image: IMG_3360.jpeg]
>>
>> For the auditorily inclined, attached is a soundscape of the river. 
>>
>> Cheers, John
>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:42:58 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Takashi,  Yes, indeed, it's a lovely way to travel. Very serene for 
>>> the most part. I would have enjoyed this boat when I road along the Nyodo 
>>> River on Shikoku.
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:36:00 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Robert, I remember seeing this once upon a time. Perhaps it's where 
>>>> the seed of my idea to get my bike in a boat came from. Very cool, indeed!
>>>>
>>>> Hey Patrick, It's hard to say. The Alpackaraft may be a little more 
>>>> particular about where the bike is placed, but time from arrival to launch 
>>>> is probably similar. I do imagine that Wes is correct- the Alpackaraft 
>>>> weighs only 5lbs, and that's pretty tough to beat.
>>>>
>>>> In the end, I agree with Patrick: any bike/boat combo is just plain fun!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, John
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 3:15:40 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tom Lutz seems to have accommodated himself and his Brompton to the 
>>>>> mass of his Fliptail. I'd guess that with the wheels (or is it a 
>>>>> minimalist 
>>>>> trailer?) and flat terrain that even a weighty boat is less of a problem 
>>>>> than, say, the inflatable 2-person kayaks that my next door neighbors 
>>>>> have 
>>>>> (fun fact: he was a brazer for Serrotta back when Serrotta did lugged 
>>>>> steel 
>>>>> bikes) which take a while to deflate, dry, and roll up.
>>>>>
>>>>> John: what do you think: is your boat easier to manipulate between 
>>>>> bike packing and floating and back again than this Fliptail with tailer?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've no dog in this fight*; I think any bike-cum-boat travel incident 
>>>>> looks like great fun and ought to be illustrated on this list with a 
>>>>> great 
>>>>> number of photos.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [*Ill disciplined imagination: recall the Economist cover with drawing 
>>>>> of Ozarks or Appalachian front porch during Clinton I vs Lewinsky, with 
>>>>> slogan: "He's a hard dog to keep on the porch." Nothing beats Southern 
>>>>> syntax.]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:07 PM Wesley  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That’s a fliptail: https://duckworks.com/fliptail-7-plans-pdf/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I built its ancestor the origami from the same designer about six 
>>>>>> years ago to be a compact tender for the boat we were living aboard. It 
>>>>>> turned out very heavy so we never used it, preferring our inflatable 
>>>>>> kayaks. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fliptail is probably a bit lighter but I don’t think it’s really 
>>>>>> a great combo with a bike. Would love to be wrong, though!
>>>>>> -Wes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now that has to be one of the most interesting commutes I've heard 
>>>>>>> about; thanks for sharing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd love to know more about his boat and what

Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[John Rinker]

Beautiful photos, Jamin! What a gorgeous ride that must have been. Wow! And 
the color of your Atlantis is stunning. Beautiful bicycle.

Cheers, John

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:29:17 PM UTC-7 jamin orrall wrote:

> *photos taken on an ancient 7 megapixel Olympus C-7070, fun camera! 
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:27:24 PM UTC-7 jamin orrall wrote:
>
>> Nice ride through the redwoods this morning in Arcata, CA
>>
>> [image: bike ride -8 Large.jpeg]
>> [image: bike ride -6 Large.jpeg][image: bike ride -7 Large.jpeg]
>> [image: bike ride -9 Large.jpeg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 5:19:43 PM UTC-7 Andy Williams wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_2171.jpeg]
>>>
>>> A good spring day at the office.
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy W. 
>>> Seattle
>>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 6:48:41 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 13, 2024, at 7:30 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> An early racing green Rivendell, is this a Long Low? It's wearing 
>>>> 26x1.8" Naches Pass tires. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Looks like an All Rounder to me.
>>>>
>>>> On the camera topic … most of my pictures are from my iPhone SEv2.  My 
>>>> recent photos of my blue Waterford ST-22 were taken with an Olympus OM-D 
>>>> E-5mkII with a Panasonic/Leica 20mm/f1.7 lens. Given than I usually have a 
>>>> handlebar bag, I really should just carry that camera all the time. It’s 
>>>> quite light and compact, and the 20mm lens is a gem. I have a fleece bag 
>>>> that it fits in, protecting it from bumps and scratches. I’ve thought 
>>>> about 
>>>> getting an Olympus PEN E body, which would be even more compact, but it 
>>>> hasn’t seemed worth it.
>>>>
>>>> Ted Durant
>>>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Will the 50cm Susie be too small?

[John C]

Hey y’all, longtime lurker here. Looking to potentially pick up my first 
Riv and have a few questions about sizing. Maybe someone with similar 
measurements and own a Susie/Gus could chime in. 

I’m looking at the 50cm in gold color. Riv says:


   - 50cm  (650B wheels): 74-76cm. Saddle height: 63cm to 65cm
   - 53cm (650B wheels):  77-88cm. Saddle height: 66cm to 77cm

My PBH is: 76.5cm-78cm measured multiple times. I’m 5’6 with a longer 
torso. 

Saddle height: 64cm (most of my bikes are Riv inspired vtg MTBs with 
upright bars and this feels comfy for me)

Seems like I'm on the edge between Med / Small. Can the small fit without 
feeling too cramped? FWIW, I rode a Gus test bike years ago at Rivelo here 
in PDX while it was still open. They were fantastic, but unfortunately I 
can't remember if I rode a small or med size frame.  


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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[John Dewey]

Only one data point for sure…but I’ve had terrible ‘luck’ with TPU. And my
last puncture occurred JRA on smooth pave and the startling thing was how
fast the tire deflated—instantaneously. Boom gone 

That’s it for me, for now anyway. Perhaps the tech will evolve and then
I’ll try again. I’d certainly love to ride that supple with complete
confidence.

Jock

On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 1:05 PM Ted Durant  wrote:

> Update here. I went for a couple of rides, total of 100km, on my new
> 584x48's. They certainly feel nice, and at that volume you really are
> dropping noticeable weight from each wheel. By the end of the second ride I
> was thinking the rear felt a little too cushy. A pinch test said there was
> still plenty of pressure. The next morning, though, the tire was completely
> flat. I removed the tube (quite easily, no issues), inflated it a bit, and
> it seemed to be holding air just fine. I thought that for sure I'd be able
> to see a hole in the clear tubing. I swept the inside of the tire and found
> nothing. So, mounted it back up (easy, no issues), inflated it carefully,
> and set the bike aside. A few hours later I checked and it had lost a lot
> of pressure. So, took it out again (easy, no issues), inflated it and
> started running it through a sink full of water. I finally found a very
> tiny leak. Checking the tire in that location I found a tiny bit of wire in
> the outer tread of the tire but couldn't feel it on the inside. Removed the
> wire, marked the leak location on the tube, wiped with alcohol (removing my
> mark in the process, of course), and after it dried put on a Park glueless
> (I like that my Mac autocorrected that to clueless) patch, praying I put it
> in the right location. I put on the patch with air in the tire, figuring
> it's best not to stretch the patch area too much. Installed again (easy, no
> issues), inflated, and set the bike aside. We'll see if the patch is
> successful. Even if it is, though, I think the "TPU tubes are less prone to
> flats" argument seems to be debunked. Which is too bad. I really want to
> like these, but the rationale is dwindling in my experience.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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[RBW] Re: Photos from last weekend's overnighter

[John Rinker]

Beautiful! It never fails that I miss Japan so after seeing your photos. I 
really love the one of your Hunq among the stars.

Cheers, John

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 5:51:56 AM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com wrote:

> Awesome shots. What size tires were you running?
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 1:02:49 PM UTC-6 Josh C wrote:
>
>> That's just perfect. Thanks for sharing. 
>>
>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 12:34:35 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Fantastic shots Takashi! I especially like the Starlight shot.
>>>
>>> John
>>> Portland OR
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 7:26:07 AM UTC-7 Takashi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here are some photos from last weekend's overnighter.
>>>> I rode almost same route last year and two years ago, so I didn't take 
>>>> many photos.
>>>>
>>>> Hunqapillar loaded up.
>>>> For this load, I think TourSacks (rear panniers) would have worked 
>>>> better.
>>>> [image: ov1.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> Momosuke Bridge:
>>>> [image: ov2.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> Short ramble around the campsite:
>>>> [image: ov3.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> [image: ov4.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> Obligatory starlight shot:
>>>> [image: ov5.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> The vertical line is an airplane which happened to fly over me:
>>>> [image: ov6.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> Takashi
>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[John Rinker]

Hey Takashi,  Yes, indeed, it's a lovely way to travel. Very serene for the 
most part. I would have enjoyed this boat when I road along the Nyodo River 
on Shikoku.

Cheers, John

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:36:00 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> Hey Robert, I remember seeing this once upon a time. Perhaps it's where 
> the seed of my idea to get my bike in a boat came from. Very cool, indeed!
>
> Hey Patrick, It's hard to say. The Alpackaraft may be a little more 
> particular about where the bike is placed, but time from arrival to launch 
> is probably similar. I do imagine that Wes is correct- the Alpackaraft 
> weighs only 5lbs, and that's pretty tough to beat.
>
> In the end, I agree with Patrick: any bike/boat combo is just plain fun!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 3:15:40 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Tom Lutz seems to have accommodated himself and his Brompton to the mass 
>> of his Fliptail. I'd guess that with the wheels (or is it a minimalist 
>> trailer?) and flat terrain that even a weighty boat is less of a problem 
>> than, say, the inflatable 2-person kayaks that my next door neighbors have 
>> (fun fact: he was a brazer for Serrotta back when Serrotta did lugged steel 
>> bikes) which take a while to deflate, dry, and roll up.
>>
>> John: what do you think: is your boat easier to manipulate between bike 
>> packing and floating and back again than this Fliptail with tailer?
>>
>> I've no dog in this fight*; I think any bike-cum-boat travel incident 
>> looks like great fun and ought to be illustrated on this list with a great 
>> number of photos.
>>
>>
>> [*Ill disciplined imagination: recall the Economist cover with drawing of 
>> Ozarks or Appalachian front porch during Clinton I vs Lewinsky, with 
>> slogan: "He's a hard dog to keep on the porch." Nothing beats Southern 
>> syntax.]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:07 PM Wesley  wrote:
>>
>>> That’s a fliptail: https://duckworks.com/fliptail-7-plans-pdf/
>>>
>>> I built its ancestor the origami from the same designer about six years 
>>> ago to be a compact tender for the boat we were living aboard. It turned 
>>> out very heavy so we never used it, preferring our inflatable kayaks. 
>>>
>>> The fliptail is probably a bit lighter but I don’t think it’s really a 
>>> great combo with a bike. Would love to be wrong, though!
>>> -Wes
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> Now that has to be one of the most interesting commutes I've heard 
>>>> about; thanks for sharing.
>>>>
>>>> I'd love to know more about his boat and what it's made from and its 
>>>> features.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This guy did a bike/boat commute from Jersey into NYC. Pretty unique 
>>>>> setup!
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> A bike commute you wont believe - Tom Lutz 
>>>>> <https://youtu.be/k-DLqc9Vplg?si=R3KNhdfn5-IZzuEK>
>>>>> youtu.be <https://youtu.be/k-DLqc9Vplg?si=R3KNhdfn5-IZzuEK>
>>>>> <https://youtu.be/k-DLqc9Vplg?si=R3KNhdfn5-IZzuEK>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Snake-in-a-bike

[John Rinker]

I agree with Curtis. What a very fine thing you did! That looks like a 
variety of gopher snake. Quite beautiful, and I'm told they like to hiss.

Cheers, John

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 3:11:20 PM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:

> Great save!
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024, 1:41 PM Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
>
>> On a ride a while back, I stopped for lunch under an oak tree and heard 
>> rustling in the leaves at the edge of the path. This poor little guy was 
>> caught in a nylon erosion net. He hissed angrily as I cut the netting with 
>> my multitool to free him, then he quietly disappeared beneath the dry, 
>> crackling leaves.
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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[John Rinker]

Hey Robert, I remember seeing this once upon a time. Perhaps it's where the 
seed of my idea to get my bike in a boat came from. Very cool, indeed!

Hey Patrick, It's hard to say. The Alpackaraft may be a little more 
particular about where the bike is placed, but time from arrival to launch 
is probably similar. I do imagine that Wes is correct- the Alpackaraft 
weighs only 5lbs, and that's pretty tough to beat.

In the end, I agree with Patrick: any bike/boat combo is just plain fun!

Cheers, John

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 3:15:40 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Tom Lutz seems to have accommodated himself and his Brompton to the mass 
> of his Fliptail. I'd guess that with the wheels (or is it a minimalist 
> trailer?) and flat terrain that even a weighty boat is less of a problem 
> than, say, the inflatable 2-person kayaks that my next door neighbors have 
> (fun fact: he was a brazer for Serrotta back when Serrotta did lugged steel 
> bikes) which take a while to deflate, dry, and roll up.
>
> John: what do you think: is your boat easier to manipulate between bike 
> packing and floating and back again than this Fliptail with tailer?
>
> I've no dog in this fight*; I think any bike-cum-boat travel incident 
> looks like great fun and ought to be illustrated on this list with a great 
> number of photos.
>
>
> [*Ill disciplined imagination: recall the Economist cover with drawing of 
> Ozarks or Appalachian front porch during Clinton I vs Lewinsky, with 
> slogan: "He's a hard dog to keep on the porch." Nothing beats Southern 
> syntax.]
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:07 PM Wesley  wrote:
>
>> That’s a fliptail: https://duckworks.com/fliptail-7-plans-pdf/
>>
>> I built its ancestor the origami from the same designer about six years 
>> ago to be a compact tender for the boat we were living aboard. It turned 
>> out very heavy so we never used it, preferring our inflatable kayaks. 
>>
>> The fliptail is probably a bit lighter but I don’t think it’s really a 
>> great combo with a bike. Would love to be wrong, though!
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Now that has to be one of the most interesting commutes I've heard 
>>> about; thanks for sharing.
>>>
>>> I'd love to know more about his boat and what it's made from and its 
>>> features.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> This guy did a bike/boat commute from Jersey into NYC. Pretty unique 
>>>> setup!
>>>>
>>>> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> A bike commute you wont believe - Tom Lutz 
>>>> <https://youtu.be/k-DLqc9Vplg?si=R3KNhdfn5-IZzuEK>
>>>> youtu.be <https://youtu.be/k-DLqc9Vplg?si=R3KNhdfn5-IZzuEK>
>>>> <https://youtu.be/k-DLqc9Vplg?si=R3KNhdfn5-IZzuEK>
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Photos from last weekend's overnighter

[John Bokman]

Fantastic shots Takashi! I especially like the Starlight shot.

John
Portland OR

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 7:26:07 AM UTC-7 Takashi wrote:

> Here are some photos from last weekend's overnighter.
> I rode almost same route last year and two years ago, so I didn't take 
> many photos.
>
> Hunqapillar loaded up.
> For this load, I think TourSacks (rear panniers) would have worked better.
> [image: ov1.jpg]
>
> Momosuke Bridge:
> [image: ov2.jpg]
>
> Short ramble around the campsite:
> [image: ov3.jpg]
>
> [image: ov4.jpg]
>
> Obligatory starlight shot:
> [image: ov5.jpg]
>
> The vertical line is an airplane which happened to fly over me:
> [image: ov6.jpg]
>
> Takashi
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Re: [RBW] FS: XTR m960 polished silver RD (rapid rise)

[John Rinker]

What are you asking for it? Got some photos?


On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:58:18 PM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:

> I have one too, so if anyone wants it, lmk.
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 7:56:42 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Pending 
>>
>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 4:06 PM Eliot B  wrote:
>>
>>> Asking $90 OBO 
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[RBW] Re: FS: XTR m960 polished silver RD (rapid rise)

[John Rinker]

PM sent
Cheers, John

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:06:27 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Asking $90 OBO

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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[John Rinker]

Hey Wes, I'll look forward to seeing photos of that! I'm confused about 
your swap- you want country gravel or I80? 

Hey Michael, Urban NYC must require a whole different set of skills than 
cruising around the desert on trails or rivers. Here's a link to a GaiaGPS 
track with a few more  photos of the paddle. Another cool feature of this 
paddle is a herd of wild horses (mustangs) that come to the river to drink. 
I saw a small group of 15 or so and more solitary ones along the way. 
Apparently, they are descended from the Spanish horses set free in the 
1600s. You probably don't see too many of those in Central Park! 

Salt River Deux <https://www.gaiagps.com/public/Ob4im73iLd6P99sycfJI4mzz/>

I'll shoot a photo of the bike loaded with the raft when I paddle again on 
Monday. 

Cheers, John
On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:30:14 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> That looks incredible. More pictures and details please! It's the exact 
> opposite of my normal bike rides (urban NYC).
>
> M
>  
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 9:52:37 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>
>> I’ve got a slow-developing project to create a bike raft out of a $40 
>> “inflatable camp lounger”. If I can raft 30 feet across an irrigation 
>> ditch, I can swap gravel country roads for 12 miles of commuting alongside 
>> interstate 80. I’ll let you know if it works.
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 4:20:11 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Got it; again, sounds very interesting. I see that Alpacka boats retail 
>>> basically for the price of an entry-level Clem.
>>>
>>> I should probably buy an entry level Clem first, though.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 4:27 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Patrick. No trailer needed as, you guessed it, the raft rolls 
>>>> into a tidy little 5lb burrito and fits very nicely on the rack. In 
>>>> addition to the photos of the raft with the bike, I should have taken a 
>>>> photo of the bike with the raft on it!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, John
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That looks very tempting. I can't make out a trailer; does the boat 
>>>>> fold up small enought to be carried on a rack?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm 1/4 mile crow-directly west through bosque scrub from the Rio 
>>>>> Grande and it's an easy and pleasant ride north on a paved recreation 
>>>>> trail 
>>>>> to various possible insertion points. In fact, my next door neighbors 
>>>>> have 
>>>>> a couple of inflatable canoes which they generally drive north to entry 
>>>>> points, float back south, then drive the other car to pick up the first 
>>>>> one; tho' husband Chris some years ago did drive north, float south, then 
>>>>> rode his bike back north to get his car.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 12:07 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Sue, 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't tried my boat without a bike yet, but I did paddle one a 
>>>>>> few years back *sans bicyclette *and I remember it being like any 
>>>>>> other raft without a keel- kind of squirreley. 
>>>>>> With the bike, however, it handles very nicely indeed. Alpacka makes 
>>>>>> other such rafts for use without a bicycle, and I imagine these track 
>>>>>> much 
>>>>>> better. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, the bicycle is attached at 4 lashing points with Voile-type 
>>>>>> straps, and the wheels with bungee cords. It's all very solid and 
>>>>>> stable. 
>>>>>> If there was a chance that my bike would end up at the bottom of the 
>>>>>> river, 
>>>>>> I'd think twice. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe this photo shows it a bit better:
>>>>>> [image: IMG_3267 (1).jpeg]
>>>>>> Cheers, John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 8:13:40 AM UTC-7 Sue J wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John, I am curious to know how this craft behaves if there is no 
>>>>>>> bike in the bow. Did you give that a try?
>>>>>>> Also, do you secure the bike in the bow, or if you capsize would it 
>>>>>>> sink to the bottom of the waterway?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sue
>>>>>>>

Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[John Rinker]

Yes, but Clems don't float! ;)

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 4:20:11 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Got it; again, sounds very interesting. I see that Alpacka boats retail 
> basically for the price of an entry-level Clem.
>
> I should probably buy an entry level Clem first, though.
>
> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 4:27 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Hello Patrick. No trailer needed as, you guessed it, the raft rolls into 
>> a tidy little 5lb burrito and fits very nicely on the rack. In addition to 
>> the photos of the raft with the bike, I should have taken a photo of the 
>> bike with the raft on it!
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> That looks very tempting. I can't make out a trailer; does the boat fold 
>>> up small enought to be carried on a rack?
>>>
>>> I'm 1/4 mile crow-directly west through bosque scrub from the Rio Grande 
>>> and it's an easy and pleasant ride north on a paved recreation trail to 
>>> various possible insertion points. In fact, my next door neighbors have a 
>>> couple of inflatable canoes which they generally drive north to entry 
>>> points, float back south, then drive the other car to pick up the first 
>>> one; tho' husband Chris some years ago did drive north, float south, then 
>>> rode his bike back north to get his car.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 12:07 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Sue, 
>>>>
>>>> I haven't tried my boat without a bike yet, but I did paddle one a few 
>>>> years back *sans bicyclette *and I remember it being like any other 
>>>> raft without a keel- kind of squirreley. 
>>>> With the bike, however, it handles very nicely indeed. Alpacka makes 
>>>> other such rafts for use without a bicycle, and I imagine these track much 
>>>> better. 
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the bicycle is attached at 4 lashing points with Voile-type 
>>>> straps, and the wheels with bungee cords. It's all very solid and stable. 
>>>> If there was a chance that my bike would end up at the bottom of the 
>>>> river, 
>>>> I'd think twice. 
>>>>
>>>> Maybe this photo shows it a bit better:
>>>> [image: IMG_3267 (1).jpeg]
>>>> Cheers, John
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 8:13:40 AM UTC-7 Sue J wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John, I am curious to know how this craft behaves if there is no bike 
>>>>> in the bow. Did you give that a try?
>>>>> Also, do you secure the bike in the bow, or if you capsize would it 
>>>>> sink to the bottom of the waterway?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sue
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:46 AM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like a great adventure.  Enjoy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Curtis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 7:18 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After several months in a box, I finally took my pack raft for its 
>>>>>>> maiden voyage down the Salt River. 
>>>>>>> [image: IMG_3282.jpeg]
>>>>>>> I rode 20k out to the put-in, and in about 30 minutes was ready to 
>>>>>>> shove off. The Alpacka raft is a fine design that has exceeded my 
>>>>>>> expectations for comfort, stability, and maneuverability. My tall bike 
>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>> body fit just fine. It's a super fun boat!
>>>>>>> [image: IMG_3271.jpeg]
>>>>>>> If you love riding and rivers, this is the way to go!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: IMG_3308.jpeg]
>>>>>>> Cheers, John
>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[John Rinker]

Hello Patrick. No trailer needed as, you guessed it, the raft rolls into a 
tidy little 5lb burrito and fits very nicely on the rack. In addition to 
the photos of the raft with the bike, I should have taken a photo of the 
bike with the raft on it!

Cheers, John

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> That looks very tempting. I can't make out a trailer; does the boat fold 
> up small enought to be carried on a rack?
>
> I'm 1/4 mile crow-directly west through bosque scrub from the Rio Grande 
> and it's an easy and pleasant ride north on a paved recreation trail to 
> various possible insertion points. In fact, my next door neighbors have a 
> couple of inflatable canoes which they generally drive north to entry 
> points, float back south, then drive the other car to pick up the first 
> one; tho' husband Chris some years ago did drive north, float south, then 
> rode his bike back north to get his car.
>
> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 12:07 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Hey Sue, 
>>
>> I haven't tried my boat without a bike yet, but I did paddle one a few 
>> years back *sans bicyclette *and I remember it being like any other raft 
>> without a keel- kind of squirreley. 
>> With the bike, however, it handles very nicely indeed. Alpacka makes 
>> other such rafts for use without a bicycle, and I imagine these track much 
>> better. 
>>
>> Yes, the bicycle is attached at 4 lashing points with Voile-type straps, 
>> and the wheels with bungee cords. It's all very solid and stable. If there 
>> was a chance that my bike would end up at the bottom of the river, I'd 
>> think twice. 
>>
>> Maybe this photo shows it a bit better:
>> [image: IMG_3267 (1).jpeg]
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 8:13:40 AM UTC-7 Sue J wrote:
>>
>>> John, I am curious to know how this craft behaves if there is no bike in 
>>> the bow. Did you give that a try?
>>> Also, do you secure the bike in the bow, or if you capsize would it sink 
>>> to the bottom of the waterway?
>>>
>>> Sue
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:46 AM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looks like a great adventure.  Enjoy.
>>>>
>>>> Curtis
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 7:18 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> After several months in a box, I finally took my pack raft for its 
>>>>> maiden voyage down the Salt River. 
>>>>> [image: IMG_3282.jpeg]
>>>>> I rode 20k out to the put-in, and in about 30 minutes was ready to 
>>>>> shove off. The Alpacka raft is a fine design that has exceeded my 
>>>>> expectations for comfort, stability, and maneuverability. My tall bike 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> body fit just fine. It's a super fun boat!
>>>>> [image: IMG_3271.jpeg]
>>>>> If you love riding and rivers, this is the way to go!
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_3308.jpeg]
>>>>> Cheers, John
>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: 007 Rescued!

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

very nice, especially the headtube.  The paint at the lugs looks great and 
not heavy. 

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 6:52:36 PM UTC-4 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:

> I bought this Saluki, serial #007, used in 03 or 4.  It soon became my go 
> to ride, but after another twenty years on dirt roads the frame showed a 
> lot of wear and tear.  I hated sacrificing the beautiful yellow decals but 
> am thrilled by what a good color match and quality job RaceMetalSmith of 
> White River Jct. VT did.  Next up, rebuild and a sweet ride.
> [image: IMG_2615.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: Bar Tape and/or Grips on an Albatross Bar

[John Rinker]

Hey Doug,

I've got ESI grips on my Atlantis with bar-end shifters. I have my cable 
running underneath the grips but not through them. Kind of like how the 
cable housing runs along the bottom of the cork grips Riv sells. Then 
Neubaums wrapped around and shellacked. I find them very comfortable.

Cheers, John

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 2:14:58 PM UTC-7 tio ryan wrote:

> I was able to squeeze extra chunky ESI grips over the bar end 
> shifter/cable on my albas, but I didn't love those grips (slippery and not 
> durable). 
>
> I didn't notch the grip to provide a channel for the cable, and as 
> nitpicky as I can be, I really didn't find it to be an annoyance.
>
>
>
> my suggestion would be to use plenty of alcohol on the inside of the grip 
> when installing :) 
>
> -tio in bk 
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 5:00:48 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>
>> I love cheapo cork grips on albatross bars. The kind of grip with cork 
>> grains glued together into a cushy mass. For example: 
>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/242114-cardiff-grips-gryfed-cork-6386
>>
>> I think Ergon cork grips would work great too, I've just never used them.
>> -Wes
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:37:14 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I just recently installed Albatrass bars on my new to me Roadini. I also 
>>> installed bar end shifters. I'm thinking I'll wrap Newbaums tape for grips 
>>> but am considering some padding in the grip area. Has anyone used padding 
>>> or been able to slide an ESI type of grip over the shifters? I've also 
>>> considered splitting an ESI grip and wrapping that with Newbaums. Any 
>>> examples or ideas would be most appreciated.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Snake-in-a-bike

[John Rinker]

Ha! Great story and really nice photos. it's always good to make new 
friends!

Cheers, John

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:05:40 PM UTC-7 Paul in Dallas wrote:

> That is remarkable.
> Thanks for capturing and sharing the pics.
>
> I first saw this pic years ago during the time I did a few bicycle tours.
>
> As I recall someone was touring in Indonesia and one morning was shocked 
> to find this critter checking out their touring bike.
>
> How would you go about shooing that beast away so you could begin the days 
> ride?
>
> Paul in Dallas 
> liam_box on instagram 
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Hunqapillar 54 / 56 cm

[John M]

I'm not Johnny but I used to have a 54 cm Hunqapillar in green and here's 
an assortment of pictures from tours in New Mexico and Colorado-- mostly 
the Great Divide Mountain  Bike route.  
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jT4glIHwK2Ox5C8Eigq2Gcxa08MT_ARE?usp=sharing

Its a great bike!

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 2:57:16 PM UTC-6 J J wrote:

> Hey Johnny, do you have any pics of your Hunq to share? Would love to see 
> some. (I hope this message is on this thread...?)
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 12:11:28 PM UTC-4 johnny@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good luck Max. I was on the same quest when an amazing person from this 
>> group, Matthew Williams, saw one and let me know about it. I posted here 
>> every ~6 months letting folks know I was still looking and it took a few 
>> years to find one in my size, but it did happen eventually. It's a cool 
>> bike, for sure.
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 5:44:41 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Test-rode one over a decade ago at BBB, shoulda bought it then. Maybe 
>>> someone's ready to pass theirs on to another good home?.. (Ideally just a 
>>> frameset)
>>>
>>> - Max "coulda shoulda woulda try againa" in A2
>>>
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[RBW] Re: List Admin Message: Kerfuffle of the week and what to do about scammy folks

[John Rinker]

Hey Jim,

Your thoughts on this matter make perfect sense to me. Thank you very much 
for all you do to make our community a fun and informative place to be.

Cheers, John

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 12:46:25 PM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Hey all - 
>
> I just removed another person who listed an item and appears to have been 
> harvesting internet images and presenting them as their own. That's not OK. 
>
> This has happened pretty infrequently on this group, and it always a minor 
> PITA to deal with. 
>
> All of which has me wanting to tighten down the listing of for sale items 
> for new members. These problems always stem from some "enterprising" 
> individual who joins the group and tries to post a for sale item 
> immediately. I can count on one hand the times that some "known" group 
> member acted inappropriately in a transaction.
>
> The way in which we've avoided this in the past is by asking folks to 
> engage on the list first, and use it as a way to rehome items second. I'm 
> going to be a lot more rigid about that now. 
>
> I'll update the list info to reflect this in stronger language, but if 
> your first post is a For Sale item, I won't be passing it through the 
> queue. If you would like to offer items to other members, please engage 
> with the community for a while (purposefully vague...) and demonstrate that 
> you aren't simply here to cash in. 
>
> So - deep breath everyone. 
>
> Thanks to those who shared more than just conjecture. That clarified the 
> issue in this case. That's important data. 
>
> As for potential or new members who just want to sell gear and not be part 
> of this community - there's ebay or other marketplaces which protect you 
> and the buyer, as well as more transactionally focused groups. Please use 
> those. 
>
> Other than that, we're coming into riding season. Go get some miles in.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[John Bokman]

Nice shots. Please present us with some pictures of your trip riding in 
Wales! 

John
Portland, OR

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 2:07:16 AM UTC-7 Nicholas A wrote:

> [image: IMG_8915.jpg]
>
> My Appaloosa in repose on an absolutely glorious Sunday in Dublin, this 
> spot is a mere 7km from my house but about 300meters of climbing, I was 
> sweatin'. Doing as much riding as possible on this bike in preparation for 
> a long weekend in Wales coming up.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[John Bokman]

Truly, that bike is stunning. And so clean! Almost immaculate. Great 
looking setup, too.

John


On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 6:06:44 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you, John & Keith!
>
> -Brian
> Lex KY
>
> On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 6:35 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Beautiful photograph, Brian! Great light, gorgeous setting, and stunning 
>> bike.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:47:51 PM UTC-7 Brian Turner wrote:
>>
>>> I started out aiming for a decently long ride yesterday, but found 
>>> myself scoping out birding spots in the woods with my buddy (and fellow 
>>> RBWOB group member Huston). No complaints here. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[John Rinker]

Beautiful photograph, Brian! Great light, gorgeous setting, and stunning 
bike.

Cheers, John

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:47:51 PM UTC-7 Brian Turner wrote:

> I started out aiming for a decently long ride yesterday, but found myself 
> scoping out birding spots in the woods with my buddy (and fellow RBWOB 
> group member Huston). No complaints here.
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Re: [RBW] Cockpit bag/cup holder

[John]

I've liked most stem bag/caddy type things I've tried. I got a couple of 
the Revelate Designs versions years ago and they've held up really well. I 
tried the REI version because it was cheap - it works OK for the price 
(especially if you see them on sale) but the materials seem cheaper. I've 
seen the Randi Jo and Outer Shell versions recommended a lot, and will 
probably try one of those next. Important features for me are exterior 
pockets (for phone, granola bar, etc.), one handed cinchy opening, and 
ability to mount on either side of the stem. Bonus points for bottom 
webbing/stabilizer strap to run through the fork or front rack.

John in Minnesota

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Re: [RBW] Dog ride

[John Rinker]

Wow, great idea for a thread: The Dogs of Riv! Not one best friend, but 
two! Looking forward to the photos that populate this thread. Some good 
ones already.

Cheers, John

On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 1:16:04 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Oh, and for no reason except that dogs are cute and fun: my ex wife's 
> miniature Aussie shepherd at about 3 months old, when she persuaded me to 
> watch her. I call her (the dog, Strudel) the "demon dog" because she has 
> light blue eyes.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2024 at 1:45 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Dan: Kudos: bike, dog, landscape. 
>>
>> On the question of bikes and dogs, generally: how many RBW-listers use 
>> their bikes to run their dogs? Kind and size of dog? Route and distance? 
>> How do you attach dog to self or bike?
>>
>> Me: Mutt, long and lean, ~20 lb, eager, energetic, agressive, 9 years's 
>> old mid-May; far too energetic for me to walk him, and I ain't a-gonna run. 
>> So I have a waist-belt dog leash which I use on a bike and we negotiate the 
>> annoying locks and gates to get to the nearby acequia ditchbank roads so 
>> that I can ride the mischief out of Perry for ~1.5 miles.
>>
>> I've thought of getting some sort of trailer to take Perry to the "dog" 
>> park some 2-3 miles away by the ABQ/Bernalillo County library branch. Do 
>> any of all y'all use trailers? Describe kind and temperament of dog and 
>> success with trailer.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2024 at 1:25 PM Dan Bluestein  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, I haven't posted here in a while, but since there seems to be a 
>>> subset of folks here who like seeing people's dog photos in addition to 
>>> photos of people's bikes, and I finally got around to moving the trailer 
>>> hitch to my homer, here are a few shots from this past weekend with 
>>> beautiful weather here in the East Bay.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1162.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On our way up Tunnel Road bypass
>>> [image: IMG_1158.jpg]
>>>
>>> All wet after I had to holler at her to get out of the water (she 
>>> couldn't read the sign that said "no dogs in pond")
>>> [image: IMG_1160.jpg]
>>>
>>> Mt. Diablo in the background
>>> [image: IMG_1159.jpg]
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Dan
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Re: [RBW] Favorite clip-in/flat pedal combo?

[john Bokman]

Thanks everyone for all the good ideas.

I’m now thinking I might try the Ezy system from MKS.

Questions for those in the know:

What is the difference between Ezy and Ezy Superior? Is it just choice of 
pedals in the respective lineups?

Which of the Clipless Ezys are recommended?

Thanks!

John

> On Apr 24, 2024, at 1:05 PM, Josh Brown  wrote:
> 
> I'm a huge fan of the MKS Ezy-Superior system, which includes several models. 
> You can buy extra adapters and share pedals between as many bikes as you have 
> adapters for. If you find a couple different pedals for a couple different 
> use cases it makes switching them out very effortless. 
> 
> Josh in NY 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2024, 3:41 PM John Bokman  <mailto:jpbco...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Rivsters: 
> 
> I've ridden many many years on Speedplay Frogs with great enjoyment.
> I've also ridden for years on flat pedals (MKS Sylvan Touring are my 
> favorite) with great enjoyment.
> 
> I'm now curious about trying something I thought I'd never try: A 
> clipless-flat combo pedal.  Because there are times  - especially on longer 
> rides - when I want more foot support than my flat pedals provide. (Yes, I've 
> used larger flat pedals - VP Vice - and found no effective difference to my 
> MKS Sylvan in this regard.)
> 
> So for those of you who still ride clipless, and who in fact use a combo 
> pedal: What's your favorite?
> 
> John
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[RBW] Re: Will's weekly emails?

[John A. Bennett]

Apologies. We've been having issues with *Mail Chimp*, the service we use 
to distribute *Will's Email Updates*. 

In addition to sending them via The 'Chimp, they are also (immediately and 
reliably) posted on our site 
<https://us7.campaign-archive.com/home/?u=ad1569fa93a2ab2374ead2fde=7342c4ce65>
.

You can find them under the News heading at rivbike.com 
<https://www.rivbike.com/>. 

You can also go to the Link Tree <https://linktr.ee/rivbike> in our 
Instagram <https://www.instagram.com/rivbike/> profile, and find 'em that 
way. There's also a heads-up
posted on IG that a new email has landed.. 

New emails arrive pretty much every Friday afternoon.

Onward!

John




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> I've haven't seen Will's weekly Rivendell news lately. Maybe I missed an 
> update.
>
> Chris
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[RBW] Re: Bilenkey Tandem 4 Sale

['John Mottl' via RBW Owners Bunch]

How tall and what inseam was the captain.
And what 8is the cockpit length for the stoker position (tip of stoker 
saddle to centre of bars at shoulder width?

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 7:35:07 AM UTC-6 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> *The Basics:*
>
>- Custom, Large, Coupled, Touring Tandem
>- Brazed Steel, Powder Coated English Racing Green
>- Dimensions:
>   - Head Tube - 10.5” / 26.5 C
>   - Top Tubes - 22.5/57 & 30.5/77.5
>   - Seat Tubes - 22.75 / 58  & 17.75/45.5
>- Wheels - White Ind. Hubs & DaVinci V22 Rims  26” with 36 spokes
>- Crank - DaVinci with TA Zypher rings; 48/38/26
>- Casette 9 speed - Shimano Ultegra 12 -32
>- Deraillers - IRD Alpina & Shimano Ultegra
>- Shifters - Shimano Bar End Indexed/Friction
>- Brakes - Paul’s Neo-Retro with Tectro Levers, braise-ons for drum 
>brake
>- Head Set - Chris King, Stem - Nitto
>- Bars - Nitto Noodle & Nitto Albatross
>- Seat Posts Nitto & Cane Creek Thudbuster
>- Tires Panaracer
>- Chains - Connex
>- Kick Stand - Two legs
>- Front & Rear Touring Racks - Nitto, powder coated to match the frame.
>- Fenders - Velo Orange 
>- Saddle & Pedals not included
>
>
> *Also Available*
>
>- Two Hard Shell Suitcases
>- Yakima Sidewinder car top carrier
>
>
> *The Pictures*
>
> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0oG7HOIlGKhAR1
>
>
> *The Performance:*
>
> This is a large touring tandem built for strength and stability under 
> weight.  It rides beautifully with or without load and is comfortable on 
> both dirt and paved surfaces  It is outfitted with top flight equipment 
> that will not fail you.  The rear top tube is quite long which affords the 
> stoker a more spacious cockpit.  The stays are long enough to accomodate 
> large paniers without interfering with the stoker’s heels.  The design 
> point was for 2”tires with fenders but currently fitted with 1.75 (1.5 
> actual) tires, which is all we could get the last time we replaced them.  
> The cranks have three pedal drillings to accomodate a range of leg lengths.
>
>
> *The Deal:*
>
> $2500 picked up at our home in Westford, VT.  or shipped at cost
>
>
> Michael
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: parts clear out (wheel sets, bags, stems, brakes...)

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

What are you asking for the D/A 9 speed bar ends??  Not on the list but in 
the pics

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 11:44:45 PM UTC-4 eil...@umich.edu wrote:

> Hi all. To make an upcoming move easier, I'm hoping to clear out all parts 
> and accessories not currently in use. Open to offers especially if bundling 
> multiple items. Prices do not include shipping from zip code 48103.
>
> Link to photos 
> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/199878034@N06/albums/72177720316534472/>
>
>1. 700c Velocity A23 singlespeed wheelset, White Industries 18t 
>freewheel, & Ultradynamico 700x42 Cava tires. Bought all this new. Wheels, 
>freewheel, and tires ridden under 1 mile. $450.
>2. 650b Velocity Dyad wheelset, Deore hubs, Col de la Vie tires. In 
>great shape. Ridden fewer than 5 miles. $275.
>3. Set of Velo Orange wing nuts. $35.
>4. Velo Orange 1x crankset, 40t chainring, 165mm crank arm length. $90.
>5. Rivendell Baggins handlebar bag. $35.
>6. One pair of blue Swift Industries panniers. Never used. Small 
>grease marks on the front of one bag. No stains or signs of use on the 
>inside. $120.
>7. Acorn rando bag. $80.
>8. Brooks saddle with brass rivets and silver rails. $75.
>9. Gilles Berthoud Aspin saddle. $165.
>10. Black Sim Works bar end plugs. $15.
>11. MKS Sylvan Gordito pedals. $35.
>12. Bruce Gordon stem. $65.
>13. Ritchey Force stem. $30.
>14. Nitto faceplater stem. $65.
>15. Shimano SL-BS77 bar end shifters. Never used, still in the box. 
>$90.
>16. Busch-muller IQ-XS front dynamo light. $80.
>17. Nitto NR21 rear rack. $90.
>18. Salsa Casseroll canti mount front rack. $65.
>19. Ocean Air Cycles x Nitto Erlen rear rack. $80.
>20. Dia Compe long reach center pull brakes. Unused. $80.
>21. Gran Compe center pull brakes. Unused. $110.
>22. Shimano Deore 9s rear derailleur. $25.
>23. Dia Compe BRS 100 short reach brakes. $30.
>24. Shimano V-brakes. bolts missing. free with purchase of anything 
>else.
>25. TRP CX 8.4 V-brakes. $55.
>26. S-Ride 11s rear derailleur. $10.
>27. Hsin Lung stem and mustache bar (from 1993 Bridgestone XO-3). $40.
>28. Velo Orange Randonneur handlebar. $15.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Wheelbase?

[John Rinker]

You da man, Jeff! Thank you.

Cheers, John

On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 3:26:24 PM UTC-7 jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Hey John, my 64cm Toyo measures 107cm
>
> On Sunday 28 April 2024 at 17:04:15 UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Anyone know where I might find the wheelbase measurement for a 64cm Toyo 
>> Atlantis (circa. 2005)? I have a few older Riv geometry charts but they 
>> don't show this.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
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[RBW] Toyo Atlantis Wheelbase?

[John Rinker]

Anyone know where I might find the wheelbase measurement for a 64cm Toyo 
Atlantis (circa. 2005)? I have a few older Riv geometry charts but they 
don't show this.

Cheers, John

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Re: [RBW] Bombadil camping trip

[John]

Thanks for sharing! Your Bombadil looks good out there haulin'. I would 
absolutely love to get myself and a bike out to Vancouver island someday.

John in Minnesota

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[RBW] Re: Parts for Sale

[John Rinker]

Thank you Doug. I'll let this beauty go to someone else the group. Good 
luck with your sale!

Cheers, John

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:38:54 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> John,
> I will attach the saddle photos to this reply.
> [image: IMG_0655.JPG][image: IMG_0653.JPG][image: IMG_0652.JPG]
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 10:33:34 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Hey Doug,
>>
>> I may be interested in the B17 saddle, but the link to your pics doesn't 
>> seem to work for me.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:35:22 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I have some parts that I've accumulated the past couple of years that I 
>>> need to sell to clear some space in my work are.
>>>
>>>1. Velocity-built Dyad front wheel 36 spokes. Shimano 105 hub. Spins 
>>>true with very few miles. I replaced it with a dynamo wheel. Silver rim 
>>> and 
>>>black hub. $140 shipped
>>>2. Velo Orange Happy Stem: 110 mm 31.8 clamp silver $35 shipped
>>>3. Shimano SPD SL clipless pedals with very little use $40 shipped
>>>4. Garbaruk 40 tooth chainring cinch fit (RaceFace). Less than 200 
>>>miles on it. Very little signs of use. 2.5 mm offset $45 shipped
>>>5. MKS Sylvan Touring pedals like new $40 shipped
>>>6. Brooks B17 narrow saddle with little use and treated $65 shipped
>>>
>>> Photos in this link Parts for Sale 
>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/wNFQcskBqfBNBrvw6>
>>>
>>> Doug
>>> Athens, Ga
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Parts for Sale

[John Rinker]

Hey Doug,

I may be interested in the B17 saddle, but the link to your pics doesn't 
seem to work for me.

Cheers, John

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:35:22 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> I have some parts that I've accumulated the past couple of years that I 
> need to sell to clear some space in my work are.
>
>1. Velocity-built Dyad front wheel 36 spokes. Shimano 105 hub. Spins 
>true with very few miles. I replaced it with a dynamo wheel. Silver rim 
> and 
>black hub. $140 shipped
>2. Velo Orange Happy Stem: 110 mm 31.8 clamp silver $35 shipped
>3. Shimano SPD SL clipless pedals with very little use $40 shipped
>4. Garbaruk 40 tooth chainring cinch fit (RaceFace). Less than 200 
>miles on it. Very little signs of use. 2.5 mm offset $45 shipped
>5. MKS Sylvan Touring pedals like new $40 shipped
>6. Brooks B17 narrow saddle with little use and treated $65 shipped
>
> Photos in this link Parts for Sale 
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/wNFQcskBqfBNBrvw6>
>
> Doug
> Athens, Ga
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Happisack w/ Kangaroo Pocket - $180 Shipped

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I sent you a PM.  Is bag still available?  Do you have additional photos.  
The photo in the post does not enlarge.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 7:34:59 PM UTC-4 jde...@gmail.com wrote:

> Has some patina but in perfect functional condition. [image: 
> IMG_3344.jpeg]\
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Willard Bay 200k

[John Bokman]

Whatever Roadini you're riding is FAST! I want one! However, I suspect 
there may be something to do with the motorCongrats.

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 12:17:13 PM UTC-7 Brady Smith wrote:

> Hi John, 
>
> I think this is a 2020 Roadini, so the answer is probably first gen.  I 
> bought the frame off this list. In theory it clears a 38mm tire; the 
> biggest I've tried is 35mm. I had 32mm Continental Grand Prix 4 Seasons on 
> it for this ride, which seems to be the sweet spot for most riding I do on 
> this bike.
>
> I normally use a Black Mountain Cycles monster cross for randonneuring and 
> keep the Roadini stripped down for weekend road adventures, but the 
> weather/conditions were such that I didn't need to worry about layers or 
> supplies or lighting on this ride, so the Roadini got the call. Great bike. 
>
> BMS
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 1:12 PM John Bokman  wrote:
>
>> Is this a first gen, or later roadini?  Curious: on what tires did you 
>> ride this event? Any pictures?
>>
>> John
>> Portland, OR
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 10:01:38 AM UTC-7 Brady Smith wrote:
>>
>>> I'd been looking forward to this ride for a long time. 
>>>
>>> I turned 40 in the fall, not long after my dad was diagnosed with 
>>> leukemia. He knew he was sick when he started the first day of RAGBRAI last 
>>> summer and found the first 40 hot and hilly miles of an 80 mile day 
>>> unbearably, miserably difficult. 
>>>
>>> He's fine now, at least for now, having made amazingly quick and 
>>> complication free work of chemotherapy and a bone marrow transplant, 
>>> facilitated by the extraordinary generosity of a college student whom I owe 
>>> a case of beer and then some when we're allowed to know who he is, and the 
>>> skill of the oncologists and transplant team at the University of Colorado. 
>>>
>>> Needless to say, this illness provoked a fair amount of reflection and 
>>> no small amount of urgency when it comes to cycling, especially since 
>>> cycling has been so central to our relationship, and since the appearance 
>>> of the leukemia on a week-long cycling event made it abundantly clear just 
>>> how quickly one can go from able to not-so-able. 
>>>
>>> I've been a randonneur for a while, having gotten into it during my days 
>>> commuting from Fort Lee, NJ into NYC. Until last year, I'd only ever 
>>> managed 200ks, largely due to family and work obligations. I've always 
>>> loved the sport, and wanted to do more, but it was also incredibly easy for 
>>> things to get in the way, especially given how limited our brevet calendar 
>>> is where I live now in Utah, and how busy one gets as an educator in the 
>>> spring. 
>>>
>>> This fall, though, I put my name in the lottery for 
>>> London-Edinburgh-London 2025, and I got in. I've never been a slow rider, 
>>> but I've never been particularly fast either. My 300k last year was 15 
>>> hours; I managed 400k in 21 hours, and that with a few flats and a sidewall 
>>> cut and some patching of tubes at a Wendy's while eating a cheeseburger in 
>>> the hopes of not having to do it again in the mountains in the dark. 
>>>
>>> I could probably manage LEL after a summer of randonneuring, but at 300k 
>>> a day for five days is imposing no matter what one has done before. I set a 
>>> goal to get faster--to lose some weight and finally be able to ride with 
>>> the PBP finishers who always blasted off at the start of our brevets, never 
>>> to be seen again. I doubled down on weekend nordic skiing this winter and 
>>> bought a Zwift hub, upon which I mount my Roadini, which is transformed, 
>>> somewhat irritatinglly, into an S-Works Tarmac in the app. Tired of running 
>>> alone in the dark and the cold before work, I started riding most mornings, 
>>> sometimes doing group rides, sometimes racing, sometimes just plugging 
>>> along next to a pacer bot. 
>>>
>>> It's boring but effective. I could tell on my first mountain bike rides 
>>> this spring that I was stronger. I was climbing hills in higher gears than 
>>> I ever had before. I set a new personal best up Emigration Canyon a few 
>>> weeks ago. But a 200k is not a short weekend ride, and my one opportunity 
>>> to go long ahead of this event was a mixed bag, though in hindsight that 
>>> was probably entirely due to having spent a few days prior couch surfing in 
>>> a friends' apartment in NYC. 
>>>
>>> When we

[RBW] Favorite clip-in/flat pedal combo?

[John Bokman]

Rivsters: 

I've ridden many many years on Speedplay Frogs with great enjoyment.
I've also ridden for years on flat pedals (MKS Sylvan Touring are my 
favorite) with great enjoyment.

I'm now curious about trying something I thought I'd never try: A 
clipless-flat combo pedal.  Because there are times  - especially on longer 
rides - when I want more foot support than my flat pedals provide. (Yes, 
I've used larger flat pedals - VP Vice - and found no effective difference 
to my MKS Sylvan in this regard.)

So for those of you who still ride clipless, and who in fact use a combo 
pedal: What's your favorite?

John

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Willard Bay 200k

[John Bokman]

Is this a first gen, or later roadini?  Curious: on what tires did you ride 
this event? Any pictures?

John
Portland, OR

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 10:01:38 AM UTC-7 Brady Smith wrote:

> I'd been looking forward to this ride for a long time. 
>
> I turned 40 in the fall, not long after my dad was diagnosed with 
> leukemia. He knew he was sick when he started the first day of RAGBRAI last 
> summer and found the first 40 hot and hilly miles of an 80 mile day 
> unbearably, miserably difficult. 
>
> He's fine now, at least for now, having made amazingly quick and 
> complication free work of chemotherapy and a bone marrow transplant, 
> facilitated by the extraordinary generosity of a college student whom I owe 
> a case of beer and then some when we're allowed to know who he is, and the 
> skill of the oncologists and transplant team at the University of Colorado. 
>
> Needless to say, this illness provoked a fair amount of reflection and no 
> small amount of urgency when it comes to cycling, especially since cycling 
> has been so central to our relationship, and since the appearance of the 
> leukemia on a week-long cycling event made it abundantly clear just how 
> quickly one can go from able to not-so-able. 
>
> I've been a randonneur for a while, having gotten into it during my days 
> commuting from Fort Lee, NJ into NYC. Until last year, I'd only ever 
> managed 200ks, largely due to family and work obligations. I've always 
> loved the sport, and wanted to do more, but it was also incredibly easy for 
> things to get in the way, especially given how limited our brevet calendar 
> is where I live now in Utah, and how busy one gets as an educator in the 
> spring. 
>
> This fall, though, I put my name in the lottery for 
> London-Edinburgh-London 2025, and I got in. I've never been a slow rider, 
> but I've never been particularly fast either. My 300k last year was 15 
> hours; I managed 400k in 21 hours, and that with a few flats and a sidewall 
> cut and some patching of tubes at a Wendy's while eating a cheeseburger in 
> the hopes of not having to do it again in the mountains in the dark. 
>
> I could probably manage LEL after a summer of randonneuring, but at 300k a 
> day for five days is imposing no matter what one has done before. I set a 
> goal to get faster--to lose some weight and finally be able to ride with 
> the PBP finishers who always blasted off at the start of our brevets, never 
> to be seen again. I doubled down on weekend nordic skiing this winter and 
> bought a Zwift hub, upon which I mount my Roadini, which is transformed, 
> somewhat irritatinglly, into an S-Works Tarmac in the app. Tired of running 
> alone in the dark and the cold before work, I started riding most mornings, 
> sometimes doing group rides, sometimes racing, sometimes just plugging 
> along next to a pacer bot. 
>
> It's boring but effective. I could tell on my first mountain bike rides 
> this spring that I was stronger. I was climbing hills in higher gears than 
> I ever had before. I set a new personal best up Emigration Canyon a few 
> weeks ago. But a 200k is not a short weekend ride, and my one opportunity 
> to go long ahead of this event was a mixed bag, though in hindsight that 
> was probably entirely due to having spent a few days prior couch surfing in 
> a friends' apartment in NYC. 
>
> When we pulled out of the Centerville Walmart and headed north along a 
> mostly flat course to the tiny town of Corinne, Utah and back again, my 
> plan was "Hold on as long as you can, but no longer." 
>
> It was a beautiful day, with a high of around 70 degrees, and a slight 
> headwind as we moved north, which meant that we would largely have the wind 
> at our backs as we came home. I stayed with the lead group, mostly much 
> more seasoned riders than me, up through the first control, thinking that 
> I'd drop back after we headed out to make sure I didn't blow up later in 
> the ride. 
>
> When push came to shove, though, I kept on going. The second quarter of 
> the ride was hilly and windy, and I started to feel a bit queasy as I 
> worked through a big section of rollers that led up to lunch. 
>
> At lunch, I mentally resolved to drop back and save myself the misery that 
> I figured was out ahead, but after eating and getting back on the road, I 
> couldn't bring myself to do it. I spent fifteen miles yo-yoing off the back 
> of the group, watching my heart rate spike, thinking that I was about to 
> lose them for good, until the pizza/soda/bratwurst/energy bar combo I ate 
> in Corinne kicked in, and I realized I was going to stay with the pack 
> through to the end. 
>
> The last 40 miles or so were pure cycling bliss, a pack of riders on a mix 
>

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Pictures Thread

[John Bokman]

Black and green are very, very nice. However, I'm excited to see a 
Periwinkle up on the Riv site! Might have to get Sam #2.

John

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 9:18:12 PM UTC-7 gre...@gmail.com wrote:

> Love this Sam. Is this the same green the new batch of Sam's are coming in?
>
> On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 8:21:13 a.m. UTC-6 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
>> [image: Image (002).jpeg]T
>> This bike brings me tremendous joy
>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 11:26:18 PM UTC-5 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>>  I already own one  - a pumpkin orange from 2017. If they offer the new 
>>> one in the black they once sold, I'm in for another! I'll set it up as my 
>>> "fast" Sam - no racks, light wheels and tires, etc. That is far and away my 
>>> favorite of all the Riv colors I've seen, across the fleet.
>>>
>>> John
>>> Portland OR
>>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 4:41:21 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Who plans to buy a Sam Hillborne in May when they are due to arrive? 
>>>> And, I wonder what colors they will offer. This photo thread is fun to 
>>>> see. 
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 6:24:11 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Great to see all these beautiful and functional Hillbornes. Although I 
>>>>> don't have one myself, I do think the Hillborne blue/grey is my favorite 
>>>>> of 
>>>>> the Rivendell colors. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers, John
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 1:17:36 PM UTC-8 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It is fun to see the variety of builds on the Sam's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks like the majority have some type of upright / swept back 
>>>>>> style handlebars
>>>>>> although of course the Sam is so versatile to accommodate a road bar 
>>>>>> if preferred .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If recalling correctly I saw orange, silver, light blue , green, 
>>>>>> black and a yellow perhaps mustard like color Sam. (Not sure what Riv 
>>>>>> called it)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cool stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm enjoying the thread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul in Dallas 
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[John S]

If that used Centurion is in your general size range, it would be a 
fantastic starting point for your road bike exploration. Refreshing an old 
frameset (whether to replace worn out parts with new ones or to improve 
fit) can be such a fun and satisfying process.

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 9:12:57 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Since I haven't chimed in on this yet - which is unlike me - I shall do so 
> now. Don't buy bikes you don't want, don't put drops on a frame you've 
> already designed around another purpose. Do pick up a Ram or Roadini if you 
> stumble on one you love now, you can sell it later. Do grab that Gallup 
> when it becomes a reality, I think you'll adore it. 
>
> These are my big thoughts couched as commands but they are just my 
> opinions based on what I know about my friend Leah. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 6:36:01 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> My husband just now: Are you getting ANOTHER bike? 
>>
>> Me: Well…not necessarily. I have to weigh out all the pros and cons, you 
>> see.
>>
>> Him: I know how this ends. It ends with the Annual Bike Purchase of the 
>> Last Bike I’ll Ever Need.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 22, 2024, at 9:26 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Tony, I swooned. Actually swooned. Gorgeous, gorgeous.
>>
>>
>> I rode the Mon Night Ride on my Racing Platy tonight. I was so 
>> apprehensive at the start because the winds were 13 mph with 21 mph gusts 
>> and it was open road. I should not be doing this, I thought. Where is my 
>> road bike?
>>
>> But it was the best ride. Did we have wind? Yes. But somehow it was great 
>> and energizing and we just killed it. I had done an intense upper body 
>> lifting session this morning and still it was great and not draining!
>>
>> Can I prove that to you?
>> No. 
>> My Apple Watch died on the ride.  郎 
>>
>> There were men I don’t know on the ride tonight, so of course I got 
>> comments. One of them said, “I hope you never get a road bike.”
>>
>> But I just might.
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 22, 2024, at 8:41 PM, Tony Lockhart  wrote:
>>
>> @Leah--Get one of these3x8 drivetrain, Nitto and Silver everywhere. 
>> Add a few bags and spend your weekends putting down mileageguaranteed 
>> to give you a million smiles and zero worries.
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 5:17:47 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Leah,
>>> Don't overthink this. It's hard to build an actual "bad" bike, and the 
>>> big names don't do it.
>>> There are bike that are too "special" in some way -- too slow- or 
>>> fast-handling, or whatever, but these are nuances. I can switch from a 
>>> crit-geometry racer to a tourer and by the end of the block, I stop 
>>> noticing it.
>>>
>>> Check out this ad:
>>>
>>> https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/bid/d/grand-rapids-bike-sale-40-or-less/7731072255.html
>>>
>>> and go buy the ~51-52 cm red Centurion in the first picture.
>>> For $40, you'll have something to play with and see how the setup might 
>>> work for you.
>>> If it's rideable, it's hard to see how this is not a good idea, and if 
>>> Centurion built lousy bikes, I haven't heard of it.
>>>
>>> cheers -mathias
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:35:58 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 When you "cut to the chase" many of us old farts on this blog started 
 riding bikes in a serious way back in the early 70's.  And the go-to 
 manual 
 for bikers back then was Eugene Sloane's "The Complete Book of Bicycling." 
  
 In that excellent instruction manual, as it were, he went to a great 
 extent 
 to appeal to the use of "drop bars" (or simply road bars by most folks 
 back 
 then) for road riders.  Of course, many different developments in cycling 
 have taken place since then, especially the introduction of the so-called 
 "hybrid bikes" with flat bars and the "mountain bikes," both of which 
 introduced different types of handlebars, tire types, and saddles.  It's a 
 bit of a lament that the regular "road bike" of the previous decades where 
 "drop bars," saddle types, gearing, tires, etc. of the previous period 
 more 
 or less disappeared in the advent of those unique biking configurations.  
 Almost every time I venture out on a bike path around these parts I mostly 
 see people riding bikes configured with a "hybrid" set up...unless, of 
 course they're riding  e-bikes, which are becoming way too commonplace 
 nowadays.  I would encourage anyone who has an inclination to pick up and 
 begin riding regular road bikes to do so.
 On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:16:35 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, 
> “Yes, that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my 
> mind. This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there 
> 

[RBW] Re: Ordaho, Desert Shenanigans Loop- Trip Report

[John Bokman]

Super Cool! Thanks for posting Diana. It is indeed a splendid part of the 
World.

John
Portland, OR

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 7:52:04 AM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: PXL_20230708_195428168.jpg]
> ^end picture, dirt people. 
>
> Apologies for the odd way of posting. I still have NOT figured out how to 
> post more than a single picture (which is an improvement from before when I 
> used a google photo link).
> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 7:50:04 AM UTC-7 Diana H wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> [image: PXL_20230708_125055855.jpg]
>> Day 7 picture - I didn't mention we rode past portions of the OR Trail. 
>> Amazingly cool!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[John Dewey]

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 4:27 PM John Dewey  wrote:

> Well, as a flyweight I figured I’m perfect candidate and installed Cyclami
> TPU…punctured several times right out of the box. We live in the mountains
> with long descents, and my experience gave me pause. BTW, time between
> punctures in my world is often measured in years. This riding Open Pro rims
> with Conti 5000 @ 32mm 60ish psi.
>
> I reinstalled the light butyl I had been using for peace pf mind. My sense
> is that, tho at first I thought / imagined snappier ride, after
> reinstalling butyl I’m thinking it was mostly my lively imagination.
>
> Just another data point…YMMV as always.
>
> Jock @ safe better than sorry
>
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 12:25 PM Brian Turner  wrote:
>
>> Steve, are you using them on your Riv or another bike? I was under the
>> impression that TPU tubes were recommended for disc brakes only - I assume
>> due to the heat generated by rim brakes? I’m curious about them, but don’t
>> really have the right application for them in my stable.
>>
>> Brian
>> Lex KY
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2024, at 10:41 PM, Steve  wrote:
>>
>> Last evening I mounted a pair of WTB TPU inner tubes under 700c x 48mm
>> knobby RH tires. I was pleasantly surprised by how easily they mounted up
>> with just enough inflation to plump them a bit. Easier than any butyl tubes
>> I've ever used.
>>
>>
>> Today I took the bike out on my usual graveled forest service road route,
>> bleeding the front end down from 27 to 25 psi about 1/2 into the ride  My
>> first impression is that they  compare favorably to the ride feel of a
>> tubeless setup.
>>
>> Before I sip the kool aid and start buying more of these things - given
>> the cost - I'm wondering if anyone has had long term experience with them
>> (not necessarily the WTB version).   Any punctures, did they patch
>> satisfactorily? Longevity? Your impressions of the quality?
>>
>>  I'll add that they dropped about 200 grams of ugly fat from the wheels -
>> but that wasn't my main objective.
>>
>> Steve
>>
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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[John Dewey]

Well, as a flyweight I figured I’m perfect candidate and installed Cyclami
TPU…punctured several times right out of the box. We live in the mountains
with long descents, and my experience gave me pause. BTW, time between
punctures in my world is often measured in years. This riding Open Pro rims
with Conti 5000 @ 32mm 60ish psi.

I reinstalled the light butyl I had been using for peace pf mind. My sense
is that, tho at first I thought / imagined snappier ride, after
reinstalling butyl I’m thinking it was mostly my lively imagination.

Just another data point…YMMV as always.

Jock @ safe better than sorry

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 12:25 PM Brian Turner  wrote:

> Steve, are you using them on your Riv or another bike? I was under the
> impression that TPU tubes were recommended for disc brakes only - I assume
> due to the heat generated by rim brakes? I’m curious about them, but don’t
> really have the right application for them in my stable.
>
> Brian
> Lex KY
>
> On Apr 19, 2024, at 10:41 PM, Steve  wrote:
>
> Last evening I mounted a pair of WTB TPU inner tubes under 700c x 48mm
> knobby RH tires. I was pleasantly surprised by how easily they mounted up
> with just enough inflation to plump them a bit. Easier than any butyl tubes
> I've ever used.
>
>
> Today I took the bike out on my usual graveled forest service road route,
> bleeding the front end down from 27 to 25 psi about 1/2 into the ride  My
> first impression is that they  compare favorably to the ride feel of a
> tubeless setup.
>
> Before I sip the kool aid and start buying more of these things - given
> the cost - I'm wondering if anyone has had long term experience with them
> (not necessarily the WTB version).   Any punctures, did they patch
> satisfactorily? Longevity? Your impressions of the quality?
>
>  I'll add that they dropped about 200 grams of ugly fat from the wheels -
> but that wasn't my main objective.
>
> Steve
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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[John Dewey]

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 12:25 PM Brian Turner  wrote:

> Steve, are you using them on your Riv or another bike? I was under the
> impression that TPU tubes were recommended for disc brakes only - I assume
> due to the heat generated by rim brakes? I’m curious about them, but don’t
> really have the right application for them in my stable.
>
> Brian
> Lex KY
>
> On Apr 19, 2024, at 10:41 PM, Steve  wrote:
>
> Last evening I mounted a pair of WTB TPU inner tubes under 700c x 48mm
> knobby RH tires. I was pleasantly surprised by how easily they mounted up
> with just enough inflation to plump them a bit. Easier than any butyl tubes
> I've ever used.
>
>
> Today I took the bike out on my usual graveled forest service road route,
> bleeding the front end down from 27 to 25 psi about 1/2 into the ride  My
> first impression is that they  compare favorably to the ride feel of a
> tubeless setup.
>
> Before I sip the kool aid and start buying more of these things - given
> the cost - I'm wondering if anyone has had long term experience with them
> (not necessarily the WTB version).   Any punctures, did they patch
> satisfactorily? Longevity? Your impressions of the quality?
>
>  I'll add that they dropped about 200 grams of ugly fat from the wheels -
> but that wasn't my main objective.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB - 9spd Dura Ace downtube shifters

[John Dewey]

Who among us has used Dura-Ace 9-speed dt levers long enough to ‘wear them
out’?

And if so, how long?

Jock

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 2:28 PM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 2:48:19 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

Also, you can get brand new 9sp bar cons from Rivendell at $140, and
elsewhere for a few dollars less.  Some people run bar cons on their down
tube shifter bosses, and they work long fine.


>  FYI, Grant tells me that he thinks Shimano has stopped making the 9sp
> bar-end shifters "after 25 or 26 years of making them". Get 'em while you
> can, and expect the price to get eye-watering.
>
> And, yes, you can run them on the down tube. Interesting bit of RBW
> history ... I pointed this out to Grant a long time ago, and that the
> opposite was true, that downtube shifters could be mounted on Shimano
> bar-end pods. And thus were born the Silver 1 bar-end shifters.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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[RBW] Re: Campy Hub Shimano cassette??? or 34 tooth cog

[John S]

How many speeds are you running? Campy offers 11-34 cassettes for their 
12-speed groupsets, and there is now a 12-speed-compatible bar end shifter 
available through Soma.

On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 3:54:09 PM UTC-5 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
wrote:

>  
>  
>  
>  
> I have a Campy hub and can't get large enough cassette. Would like a 34 
> tooth cassette
> I'm running friction shifters.
> Is there a hack that would allow me to get 34 tooth cassette on that Campy 
> hub? 
>  
>  
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Re: [RBW] Building up a 45cm Clem for a 5'2 rider

[John Johnson]

Hi Igor,

For a 5'2" rider (I'm not going to assume it's for a lady or for your 
friend!), the 45cm Clem is perfect. Obviously there is no "objective" right 
answer for which bars to use, and it's gonna depend on different factors (I 
know I'm not dropping any mind-blowing information, but just to lay the 
groundwork for my suggestions). 
I'd ask the following questions:

   - What year Clem is it? The older Clems had shorter top tubes (less 
   reach) than the newer (2019 and post) models. 
   - What is the intended use? Tooling around, commuting, touring, mountain 
   biking? 
   - How does the rider like to be positioned? Aggressive and racy? Upright 
   and comfy? 
   - What is the rider's morphology? Long torso, short legs? Long legs, 
   short torso? Normal legs, normal torso?
   - Are there aesthetic considerations? 
   - Are there cost considerations?

For me (an N of 1 - I am 5'8", longer torso with very short legs, for 
reference), I currently ride a Clem 45 L (longer reach 2019 model, but 
still with 26" wheels before the switch to 27.5") with a 70cm Nitto Tallux 
at the minimum insertion and 60cm Tosco bars and I couldn't be happier. My 
wife rides a Clem 45 L with Soma Oxford bars and I really like that set up 
too, but I find the Oxfords at 54cm (identical to Nitto Albatross) a tad 
bit narrow for my taste. I rode my pre-2019 Clem H with a Riv Bullmoose 
(67cm) and it was totally great - but I was running that bike single speed 
and as a dedicated mountain bike - I don't love the 30° sweep for longer 
rides (on longer rides, I want 45-60° sweep). I tried Boscos for a minute 
(I think it was the 54cm that came stock on my wife's Clem), but I felt 
almost cartoonishly upright and didn't feel connected enough with the bike. 

For your rider, at 5'2", I'm guessing you have a newer (post 2019 geo 
changes) Clem and it's likely they'll want swept back bars of some sort. I 
think the Albatross (or Soma Oxford) are perfect for the Clem  - right 
rise, sweep, width, and good looking to boot. The Toscos, like I mentioned, 
are great, but I'd opt for the 55cm model probably in your rider's case. 
Re: the Boscos, I'm a bit taller than your rider, so maybe Boscos would do 
the trick in their case. Lastly, if they don't want a relaxed position, 
you've got a billion options of flat or riser bars with minimal sweep, but 
I won't bother with recs. 



cheers,

John (outside Fontainebleau)


On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 6:36:58 AM UTC+2 Kim H. wrote:

> @Igor -
> I have a couple of Terry women's saddles that are lightly used to sell, if 
> you are interested for your lady friend.
>
> https://www.terrybicycles.com/Cite-X-Gel-Italia
>
> https://www.terrybicycles.com/Liberator-X
>
> Contact me off this group for more details and pictures.
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
> On Thursday, April 4, 2024 at 7:52:34 PM UTC-7 Richard Rose wrote:
>
>> A lot of nice bars to choose from. That said, the Bosco is perfect. The 
>> extra rise is great as it results in less stem exposed than with the Tosco. 
>> I suggest one of the three FacePlater stems makes life so much easier & the 
>> older tig welded one is currently on sale, I think. But, without the frame 
>> & handlebar at hand it’s guesswork at best regarding stem length. I am 
>> 5’10”, ride a 52 Clem with Bosco & 135 FacePlater. I do not know how much 
>> shorter the reach is on the 45, but I would guess a stem closer to 70-80? 
>> Call Riv & ask them, they give excellent advice. Or, try to get your hands 
>> n a few different (cheap) stems to try?
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 4, 2024, at 9:28 PM, Igor  wrote:
>>
>> Any suggestions or ways to "know" what stem or bars to use? Not sure 
>> where to begin. 
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[RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Andy

Thanks for posting the U Factor article.  It was good to read it and 
understand the thinking.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Thursday, April 4, 2024 at 8:49:10 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> The U Factor 
> <https://www.rivbike.com/pages/rivendell-archives-rivendell-reader-5-the-u-factor>
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
> wrote:
>
>> Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?", 
>> especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike design philosophy.   Seems 
>> the prevailing thought is long stays are better for
>> upright riding
>> single track type trails (vs a Rails to Trails type trail)
>>
>> I'll just note 2 'facts'
>> 1  The vast majority of RBW models (except the Roadeo type frame) use 
>> slack STA and HTA which may contribute to the ride effect when coupled with 
>> long stays.
>> 2.  In the beginning RBW addressed getting the bars higher and adopting a 
>> non-racer riding style (back at 45° with hands on hoods), which IMHO were 
>> solutions to actual problems.
>>
>> *So What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by 
>> using long chain stays*
>> Just to bring bikes to market that no one else is building??
>> Or do they solve a real problem???
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> FWIW 2 of 3 of my frames have 44 to 45cm chain stays, and 1 has a 43cm 
>> chain stay.It's hard to notice a ride difference.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Silver shifters, v1 vs. v2

[John Johnson]

I will share a personal anecdote about my V1 shifters. I disassembled them 
to switch from being bar-end back to being down tube shifters. When I put 
them on the downtube, one of them kept slipping and wouldn't hold no matter 
how hard I tightened the bolt (and I broke a few plastic washers). After a 
day or two, I opened it up and realized I'd put the sprocket in backwards 
(so yeah, duh, it definitely wouldn't hold). I'm sure that's not your 
case...

The newer replacement washers did work better for me (but they still crack 
over time). The brass replacement washers is what I have now, and they work 
well. 

cheers,

John (near Fontainebleau)



On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 3:52:05 AM UTC+2 Jay wrote:

> I'm sure that is frustrating!  I feel for you.  I don't like when anything 
> mechanical is not functioning up to par.
>
> I only have experience with Dia-Compe Ene 11s.  They slipped once on me, 
> without realizing what was happening.  I got home, googled it, figured it 
> out and only had to tighten the 'd' ring and that has so far solved the 
> problem.  I bought loc-tite but haven't used it.
>
> Good luck!
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 11:13:13 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Ian,
>> I had slippage with Silver v2 set up on my Clem. I used Loctite and it 
>> solved the issue for awhile then they slipped again. After switching to 
>> Microshift I not longer had any slippage. I am not an experienced bike 
>> mechanic so my installation may have been off with the Silvers but the 
>> Microshift worked for me.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 9:37:26 AM UTC-4 ian m wrote:
>>
>>> I have completely disassembled and reassembled more than a couple times, 
>>> both intentionally and un. I have run my set on both the downtube and 
>>> bar-ends on more than one bike, and my wife has a set on the bar-ends of 
>>> her Hillborne. We have broken so many plastic washers trying to keep them 
>>> from slipping that I have multiple back-up bags.
>>>
>>> On checking the Riv product page now it looks like the complete shifters 
>>> come with a "new and improved" plastic washer that isn't available 
>>> separately. Can anyone speak to an improved user experience? I have the 
>>> older L/R version rather than the newer X/O version also.
>>>
>>> I do think these shift fantastically and are in every way superior to 
>>> the Sunrace shifters I used previously, it's only the slippage that grinds 
>>> my gears.
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 11:09:11 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not sure if I have the v1 or v2 but probably the v1 and earlier but 
>>>> I've never had slippage.  You do have to line up the square piece when 
>>>> installing them and get the plastic washer lined up too but after that 
>>>> it's 
>>>> tight enough to hold.  The exploded view that Eric Marth will help show 
>>>> you 
>>>> the critical points of contact to line up.  I do know the plastic washers 
>>>> break after a while but that's usually when the bike falls and the shifter 
>>>> takes most of the force of the fall.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 6:56:26 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I love the look of the Silver1 shifters. IMO they are the platonic 
>>>>> ideal whether on downtube or bar-end. Yet I find in my experience the 
>>>>> performance refuses to meet the aesthetic quality. Try as I may I can't 
>>>>> get 
>>>>> the shifter to stay put. Loctite or beeswax, slippage, then 
>>>>> over-tightening. There's still no better option than the plastic washer? 
>>>>> Hoped the brass bit over the plastic would protect it, no such luck they 
>>>>> always crack. I'm tired of trying to make these work. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Do the newer Silver2 shifters improve in performance where they've... 
>>>>> let's just say changed in aesthetics? It reads as though they have the 
>>>>> same 
>>>>> internals which I would assume is the issue. While they do have a look 
>>>>> that 
>>>>> maybe only a mother could love I'm willing to give them a shot if it's a 
>>>>> noticeable difference.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am index curious but not sure I'd want to pay the Dura-Ace bar-end 
>>>>> price rather than making the all-out switch to brifters. Any thoughts or 
>>>>> advice welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>

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RE: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Eric

 

Thanks for the RBW explanation.  I vaguely remember it, but didn’t think he 
would increase then C/S so much

 

I see Grant’s point:  it’s more an improvement vs a problem solver.  

I see the ‘tall rider’ issue, longer seat tubes increase the saddle setback.  
However, I’m 5’6” and my frames are all 21”, so I couldn’t even ride a 25”, let 
along know how the increased 3cm setback effects the rider

 

I see the weight distribution/stability effects.   

 

John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ

 

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Eric Daume
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2024 8:15 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

 

If you want Riv's explanation, it's here:

 

https://www.rivbike.com/pages/why-the-long-stays-chainstay-length

 

Eric

 

On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 8:02 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Bill

 

I would say “solve some objective problem not addressed by all other bikes or 
be an improvement by all other bikes”  regardless of the logical/philosophical 
issue of Rivendells existing or nor.

 

Also, I think most of us would agree “all other bikes” would the bikes you see 
in Trek store, a Fuji store, a Specialized store, a Crust website, a Walmart 
sporting goods section, etc.  I am not thinking about designs which may exist 
in the world where bikes are used in lieu of motorized vehicles and not just as 
a recreational diversion.

 

John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ

 

 

 

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>  mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of William Lindsay
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2024 6:57 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

 

John

 

OK so you are saying that every bike on earth that is currently available are 
all in one group and Rivendells are not in that group.  In order  to be allowed 
to exist a Rivendell must either conform with the first group’s designs or 
solve some objective problem not addressed by all other bikes.  Is that it?  

 

BL in EC

 

On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 3:43 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Bill

 

Good challenge, what I was thinking is what problem with bikes is the long C/S 
solving?  I thought it was a straight forward question.

 

I suggest eliminate “in bike design” and problems or current deficiencies refer 
to the current bikes available.Another way of saying it is what 
“improvements” in bicycles result from the Long C/S.  

 

So far the responses indicate Long C/S improve

Overall handling, seems to apply to all surfaces.

Comfort, especially from bumps in the surface.

Climbing and Descending single track type trails (like the ones in the RBW 
pictures on Mt Diablo).  The climbing improvement appears to due to improved 
weight distribution vs improved bio-mechanical items.

 

John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ

 

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<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>  mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Bill Lindsay
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2024 5:19 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

 

The OP asked: "What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant 
solving by using long chain stays"

 

What exactly is this entity you call "bike design"?  If you can define that, 
perhaps I can respond to your question (emphatically stated with FOUR question 
marks)

 

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 10:50:18 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
wrote:

Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?", 
especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike design philosophy.   Seems the 
prevailing thought is long stays are better for

upright riding

single track type trails (vs a Rails to Trails type trail)

 

I'll just note 2 'facts'

1  The vast majority of RBW models (except the Roadeo type frame) use slack STA 
and HTA which may contribute to the ride effect when coupled with long stays.

2.  In the beginning RBW addressed getting the bars higher and adopting a 
non-racer riding style (back at 45° with hands on hoods), which IMHO were 
solutions to actual problems.

 

So What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by using 
long chain stays

Just to bring bikes to market that no one else is building??

Or do they solve a real problem???

 

John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ

 

FWIW 2 of 3 of my frames have 44 to 45cm chain stays, and 1 has a 43cm chain 
stay.It's hard to notice a ride difference.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bill

 

I would say “solve some objective problem not addressed by all other bikes or 
be an improvement by all other bikes”  regardless of the logical/philosophical 
issue of Rivendells existing or nor.

 

Also, I think most of us would agree “all other bikes” would the bikes you see 
in Trek store, a Fuji store, a Specialized store, a Crust website, a Walmart 
sporting goods section, etc.  I am not thinking about designs which may exist 
in the world where bikes are used in lieu of motorized vehicles and not just as 
a recreational diversion.

 

John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ

 

 

 

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of William Lindsay
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2024 6:57 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

 

John

 

OK so you are saying that every bike on earth that is currently available are 
all in one group and Rivendells are not in that group.  In order  to be allowed 
to exist a Rivendell must either conform with the first group’s designs or 
solve some objective problem not addressed by all other bikes.  Is that it?  

 

BL in EC

 

On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 3:43 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Bill

 

Good challenge, what I was thinking is what problem with bikes is the long C/S 
solving?  I thought it was a straight forward question.

 

I suggest eliminate “in bike design” and problems or current deficiencies refer 
to the current bikes available.Another way of saying it is what 
“improvements” in bicycles result from the Long C/S.  

 

So far the responses indicate Long C/S improve

Overall handling, seems to apply to all surfaces.

Comfort, especially from bumps in the surface.

Climbing and Descending single track type trails (like the ones in the RBW 
pictures on Mt Diablo).  The climbing improvement appears to due to improved 
weight distribution vs improved bio-mechanical items.

 

John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ

 

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>  mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Bill Lindsay
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

 

The OP asked: "What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant 
solving by using long chain stays"

 

What exactly is this entity you call "bike design"?  If you can define that, 
perhaps I can respond to your question (emphatically stated with FOUR question 
marks)

 

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 10:50:18 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
wrote:

Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?", 
especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike design philosophy.   Seems the 
prevailing thought is long stays are better for

upright riding

single track type trails (vs a Rails to Trails type trail)

 

I'll just note 2 'facts'

1  The vast majority of RBW models (except the Roadeo type frame) use slack STA 
and HTA which may contribute to the ride effect when coupled with long stays.

2.  In the beginning RBW addressed getting the bars higher and adopting a 
non-racer riding style (back at 45° with hands on hoods), which IMHO were 
solutions to actual problems.

 

So What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by using 
long chain stays

Just to bring bikes to market that no one else is building??

Or do they solve a real problem???

 

John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ

 

FWIW 2 of 3 of my frames have 44 to 45cm chain stays, and 1 has a 43cm chain 
stay.It's hard to notice a ride difference.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bill

 

Good challenge, what I was thinking is what problem with bikes is the long C/S 
solving?  I thought it was a straight forward question.

 

I suggest eliminate “in bike design” and problems or current deficiencies refer 
to the current bikes available.Another way of saying it is what 
“improvements” in bicycles result from the Long C/S.  

 

So far the responses indicate Long C/S improve

Overall handling, seems to apply to all surfaces.

Comfort, especially from bumps in the surface.

Climbing and Descending single track type trails (like the ones in the RBW 
pictures on Mt Diablo).  The climbing improvement appears to due to improved 
weight distribution vs improved bio-mechanical items.

 

John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ

 

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Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2024 5:19 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

 

The OP asked: "What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant 
solving by using long chain stays"

 

What exactly is this entity you call "bike design"?  If you can define that, 
perhaps I can respond to your question (emphatically stated with FOUR question 
marks)

 

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 10:50:18 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
wrote:

Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?", 
especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike design philosophy.   Seems the 
prevailing thought is long stays are better for

upright riding

single track type trails (vs a Rails to Trails type trail)

 

I'll just note 2 'facts'

1  The vast majority of RBW models (except the Roadeo type frame) use slack STA 
and HTA which may contribute to the ride effect when coupled with long stays.

2.  In the beginning RBW addressed getting the bars higher and adopting a 
non-racer riding style (back at 45° with hands on hoods), which IMHO were 
solutions to actual problems.

 

So What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by using 
long chain stays

Just to bring bikes to market that no one else is building??

Or do they solve a real problem???

 

John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ

 

FWIW 2 of 3 of my frames have 44 to 45cm chain stays, and 1 has a 43cm chain 
stay.It's hard to notice a ride difference.

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[RBW] Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?", 
especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike design philosophy.   Seems 
the prevailing thought is long stays are better for
upright riding
single track type trails (vs a Rails to Trails type trail)

I'll just note 2 'facts'
1  The vast majority of RBW models (except the Roadeo type frame) use slack 
STA and HTA which may contribute to the ride effect when coupled with long 
stays.
2.  In the beginning RBW addressed getting the bars higher and adopting a 
non-racer riding style (back at 45° with hands on hoods), which IMHO were 
solutions to actual problems.

*So What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by 
using long chain stays*
Just to bring bikes to market that no one else is building??
Or do they solve a real problem???

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

FWIW 2 of 3 of my frames have 44 to 45cm chain stays, and 1 has a 43cm 
chain stay.It's hard to notice a ride difference.

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bombadil in the depths of the Old Forest

[John Rinker]

Man, that Bomba is cool, but that split rock is outtasight! 

The rock looks as though the tree roots envelop it. Next time you're by 
that place I'd like to see the bigger picture.

What a special spot to ride an outstanding bike to. 

Cheers, John



On Thursday, March 28, 2024 at 1:34:02 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Cheers, all!  
>
> The stem is as short as they get - Crust BJ stem, which is 25mm length and 
> doesn't even have an extension tube. I tend to prefer a shorter reach and 
> even on the Hillborne I run a 5cm Tallux, despite the bike not being too 
> large at all. I like how it keeps me from being too much on the front wheel 
> during off-roading. 
>
> Indeed I have safety tabs on the front, will on the rear soon too - I did 
> have a stick jam situation before while on a very untrodden and remote 
> stretch of double track and I don't wish to repeat that harrowing situation 
> again. They are the Simworks 63mm fenders and underneath are 48mm 
> Ultradynamicos.  I don't really like knobby tires plus fenders generally 
> because all the "bzzzt" noise of pebbles going through the fender is 
> annoying, but these are good because they have a pretty solid center 
> section and widely spaced, shallow knobs on the side - they don't pick 
> stuff up like most knobbies. Plus they handle predictably both on and off 
> pavement  
>
> On Thursday 28 March 2024 at 12:39:15 UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Looks great Jason. Also curious about the stem. And wondering what width 
>> tires under those fenders? Looks like you may have break-away fender tabs 
>> on there?
>>
>> John
>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 5:31:52 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> This bike is not new to most of you, but I wanted to share a proper 
>>> photo taken by a friend of the current configuration. The photo was taken 
>>> midway up a low-traffic, rather technical hiking trail that followed a 
>>> creek up the mountain to the powerline cut where we were aiming. None of it 
>>> was rideable, nor did we expected it would be. It's a heck of an upper body 
>>> workout, and frustrating at times, but I've been enjoying these "rides" 
>>> where we try to link up sections we know are good using as little pavement 
>>> as possible. The key has been to accept that there will be some 
>>> hike-a-bike. 
>>>
>>> Anyhow, the Bombadil, which I've had since October 2020, purchased from 
>>> Joe, and repainted by Chris DeKerf around Christmas 2021, is now in "drop 
>>> bar adventure bike" configuration. It's strange, no doubt, to have a 
>>> Hillborne and Bombadil and to put the drop bars on the Bombadil. But my 
>>> logic is - the Hillborne is a great commuter and errand bike on Albatross 
>>> and with the pannier rack. It's got a kickstand, too. The Bombadil may be 
>>> stout but it's capable of just about anything, and with drop bars it feels 
>>> pretty sporty and not unlike a 'monstercross' rig. Just prettier. 
>>>
>>> Plans at present include: install the SON fender mount tail light I have 
>>> around, add a M1-B front rack so I can run a larger bag, and swap the 
>>> bright fender flap for a grey Riv one I have kicking around. I also have a 
>>> full canvas camp setup using R-10 and Tubus Tara racks; looking forward to 
>>> some more adventures on this soon! 
>>>
>>> [image: 103081.jpg] 
>>
>>

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[RBW] The BEST bike film!

[John Rinker]

Have you seen Will's 8mm bike film 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaHUcx0y5A4>? Maybe it's because I spent a 
number of years wandering around Golden Gate, or it's shot in 8mm, or the 
colors are so lush, or wheelies, or mud stripes, or those first tracks on 
the lawn? Whatever. Perhaps because it's so casual and inviting. Anyway, 
it's super cool!

Cheers, John

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bombadil in the depths of the Old Forest

[John Bokman]

Looks great Jason. Also curious about the stem. And wondering what width 
tires under those fenders? Looks like you may have break-away fender tabs 
on there?

John
On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 5:31:52 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> This bike is not new to most of you, but I wanted to share a proper photo 
> taken by a friend of the current configuration. The photo was taken midway 
> up a low-traffic, rather technical hiking trail that followed a creek up 
> the mountain to the powerline cut where we were aiming. None of it was 
> rideable, nor did we expected it would be. It's a heck of an upper body 
> workout, and frustrating at times, but I've been enjoying these "rides" 
> where we try to link up sections we know are good using as little pavement 
> as possible. The key has been to accept that there will be some 
> hike-a-bike. 
>
> Anyhow, the Bombadil, which I've had since October 2020, purchased from 
> Joe, and repainted by Chris DeKerf around Christmas 2021, is now in "drop 
> bar adventure bike" configuration. It's strange, no doubt, to have a 
> Hillborne and Bombadil and to put the drop bars on the Bombadil. But my 
> logic is - the Hillborne is a great commuter and errand bike on Albatross 
> and with the pannier rack. It's got a kickstand, too. The Bombadil may be 
> stout but it's capable of just about anything, and with drop bars it feels 
> pretty sporty and not unlike a 'monstercross' rig. Just prettier. 
>
> Plans at present include: install the SON fender mount tail light I have 
> around, add a M1-B front rack so I can run a larger bag, and swap the 
> bright fender flap for a grey Riv one I have kicking around. I also have a 
> full canvas camp setup using R-10 and Tubus Tara racks; looking forward to 
> some more adventures on this soon! 
>
> [image: 103081.jpg] 

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do I know when a saddle fits?

[John Dewey]

Roberta, have you experimented with a cut-out saddle?

Jock

On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 12:20 AM Roberta  wrote:

> The Philadelphia Trek store can measure sits bones. Perhaps there is one
> near you to give you some direction?
>
> I prefer a flat top like the B68 to a rounder top B17. I also have wide
> sits bones, so B17 too narrow for me.   I tilt the saddle nose up, so I’m
> sitting on the flat back part of the saddle.  Otherwise I slide to the
> front sitting on the nose part, and that is very irritating.  Where are you
> sitting on the saddle?
>
> Also take notice where the seams of your underwear are when you’re riding
> as sit bones on seams are irritating.
>
> Roberta
> Philadelphia
>
> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 4:00:24 PM UTC-4 Emily Guise wrote:
>
>> Hello folks, I come to the group with a dilemma. I've never had a saddle
>> that I could ride for longer than 20 miles comfortably. I've always ended
>> up with sore sit bones, numb soft tissue, or both. This has really limited
>> my ability to go on longer trips and after my five day ride on the C
>> canal trail last Sept, it was more apparent than ever I need to find a
>> saddle that won't hurt.
>>
>> I've tried dozens of saddles over the last 15 years- leather, plastic,
>> cutouts, no cutouts, wide, medium, softer, harder, you name it. :( Most of
>> the saddles that have stayed on my bikes for longer than a month have a
>> central cut out, are on the wider side, and plastic. They're good for
>> around town, but that's it. I've never had my sit bones measured.
>>
>> It occurred to me recently that because I've never had a truly
>> comfortable long-distance saddle, I have no idea how one feels. So I
>> figured I'd ask the group. How did The One saddle feel for you? Did it
>> "disappear"? Was it love at first sit? Did it need to be adjusted a lot
>> before finding the ideal position? Is there a certain amount of miles you
>> ride before it becomes uncomfortable?
>>
>> I'd love to hear the group's collective wisdom so I know what to look for
>> in the next saddle I try out. Thanks!
>>
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[RBW] Re: Front basket for a Clem?

[John]

I love my Wald 137s zip tied or hose clamped to a front rack. Soma sells 
just the basket, as well as a Tanaka brand 
<https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/tanaka-stainless-steel-basket-15-x10-x4-3-4-7051?category=948#attr=2960>
 
that I've been wanting to try. Looks like the same dimensions as a 137 but 
a little cheaper.

John in Minnesota

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[RBW] Re: Front basket for a Clem?

[John Johnson]

These are nicehttps://cyclesmanivelle.com/en/-shop/racks-baskets/

Otherwise any old front rack + a wald 137 ftw.

John

On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 5:13:38 PM UTC+1 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> The classic answer here is the Wald 137. It's shallower than the bosco 
> basket and looks great IMO. Crust bikes also sells a half-depth version of 
> both the 137 and (i think) the 139.
>
> Brian F
>
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 10:00:19 AM UTC-5 smer...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> What works well and will not break the bank? I see that Wald Bosco basket 
>> that Riv sells, which I'm sure is functional, but sort of unaesthetic.  
>> Does anyone have any experience with the Pelago Rasket? Or anything else 
>> that will sit relatively low and hold a backpack or a six pack?
>>
>> smm
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Alpacka Packraft Setup + Aquabound Paddle

[John Rinker]

hey Robert,

That's a great little film! Wow! Those Bromptons sure don't look very 
stable at speed, but they fit nicely on those rafts. I love that Alistair 
was wearing an airline pfd. Hopefully, the person in his seat on the next 
flight didn't need it.

Thanks for sharing that.
Cheers, John

On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 6:08:34 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

>   It looks like you've got a pannier of some sort attached to the left 
> fork. Did you leave that attached? BTW, that's some Appaloosa! Beautiful 
> color. Root beer?
>
> It was on in the early iterations to hold the PFD. I eventually figured 
> out a better way to hold it on a rear rack - the pannier acted a bit like a 
> reverse sail.
>
> The color is standard orange, but with a lovely dusting of Sacramento dirt 
> and sand :)
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: Alpacka Packraft Setup + Aquabound Paddle

[John Rinker]

Thanks Colin. Iterating the set-up that's just right for me will only add 
to the fun! It looks like you've got a pannier of some sort attached to the 
left fork. Did you leave that attached? BTW, that's some Appaloosa! 
Beautiful color. Root beer?

Aeroperf, that's a very cool TSF16. I once had the pleasure of paddling one 
for a short bit in calm water, but I didn't have to set it up nor break it 
down. I'm sure at some point one of those Rough stuff Fellowship riders 
tried to haul one by bike!

Cheers, John

On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 3:49:32 PM UTC-7 aeroperf wrote:

> TSF16 Folbot.  Disassembles to fit in a car, assembles into a 16 ft. kayak.
> You can't haul it on a bicycle (it weighs the same as a canoe), but you 
> CAN strap a bicycle to it and carry the bike.
> When I did the Allagash Wilderness Waterway, we made a cradle with two 
> bicycle wheels to move it through the (very few) portages.  RIP my 1957 
> Schwinn - had to get the wheels from somewhere.
>
> Before
> [image: Folbot_before.JPG]
>
> After
> [image: Folbot_after.JPG]
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: Alpacka Packraft Setup + Aquabound Paddle

[John Rinker]

Oooh and aaah! Thanks for the photos Colin. I wish you had posted this 
months ago before I bought mine! $1000 seems a good deal. C'est la vie! 

I have yet to use my Caribou as winter up here is more conducive to skating 
the river than floating it, but those days are coming soon. 

I appreciate seeing your photos as they help me visualize how my 62cm Hunq 
will ride the bow. Have you ever attached your Appaloosa without removing 
the rear wheel? 

I'm heading south in a few days and plan to paddle the boat in Utah and 
Arizona. I'm very excited to get the boat in the water finally.

Cheers, John

On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 1:19:36 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> I've posted my "Joe-Rafter" here before and I think John Rinkler picked 
> one up in the winter?
>
> But yes, this raft was designed with having a heavy bike loaded on the 
> front of the raft, no mini/foldable/small wheeled bike required. I 
> essentially used it to bike up river, strap my bike to it, paddle down 
> river, hop back on the bike, then pedal home. It saves having to stage a 
> car as your friends and most others with a kayak do it. Its not as fast as 
> a kayak (although, that's partly due to the engine as the argument goes), 
> but also exceedingly light and packable. So the idea is you never have to 
> worry about locking/staging anything and just bring everything with you on 
> all legs of the trip!
>
> I added another photo and video of what its like with the bike on the 
> front of the raft.
>
> Collin
>
> On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 1:03:10 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I'm not in the market, sorry, but I find that little inflatable very 
>> interesting. Is the boat designed specifically for packing on a bike, then 
>> floating the bike down river, then back to bike packing? I didn't know that 
>> this combination was a thing.
>>
>> And isn't the Appaloosa a long wheelbase model? Do they make 
>> kayak-specific bikes? (Recall a long-ago Boblist member planning a custom 
>> small-wheel backpacking bike for wilderness trips.)
>>
>> The reason I'm interested is that my next door neighbor (ex Serotta 
>> brazer back when Serotta built in steel and former roadie, but as a mail 
>> carrier nearing 60 he now finds that his daily load carrying uses up his 
>> energy) and his wife like to pack inflatable kayaks to the Rio Grande (the 
>> river is about 1/2 mile East of my front door, but they pack the kayak/s 
>> north to a Corrales entry point), float downriver about 6-8 miles, then 
>> take the other car back to pick up the first car. I think *he* once or 
>> twice packed the kayak north on his bike, locked bike, floated down, then 
>> drove back to pick up bike.
>>
>> If you or anyone else cares to post photos of kayak/boat excursions, I'd 
>> be delighted to see them.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 1:16 PM Collin A  wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> It is with a heavy feeling in my gut that I am posting my packraft setup 
>>> for sale. I haven't used it since I moved away from Sacramento and I don't 
>>> forsee it being something I continue with.
>>>
>>> Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/wANwCsEVy5zK242K9
>>> Asking for $1000 shipped (plus 3% to cover G fees) for everything.
>>>
>>> You'll get:
>>>
>>>- Alpacka Carribou Bikerafting Raft - just the basic one (no bailer 
>>>or internal storage) that comes in at about 5 lbs in blue. Comes with 
>>> the 
>>>seat, inflation bag, storage sack, and a mini-repair setup. No tears, 
>>>abrasions, repairs, etc. Only used in freshwater, and cleaned/air dried 
>>>after every use.
>>>   - https://www.alpackaraft.com/products/caribou
>>>   - Aquabound Whisky 4-piece fiberglass paddle in *sunwave*. This 
>>>is *light* and packs down small for easy carrying on the bike. It 
>>>was bought as a cosmetic second so its got some inconsistencies in the 
>>>epoxy, but is structurally sound. There is one itty bitty chip in one of 
>>>the paddles in the outermost layer, but otherwise pretty good condition. 
>>>200cm length
>>>   - Whiskey Fiberglass 4-Piece Straight Shaft Kayak Paddle | Aqua 
>>>   Bound 
>>>   
>>> <https://aquabound.com/collections/packrafting-paddles/products/whiskey-fiberglass-4-piece-straight-shaft?variant=39485546692657>
>>>   - Not pictured, but a little waterproof holder to hang onto your 
>>>phone, wallet, etc. very useful in keeping the important stuff dry.
>>>   - https://www.alp

Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[John Bokman]

I'm not on FB. Anyone have info on this bike? Who's selling, where located, 
for instance?

John
Portland, OR

On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 9:35:54 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> PSA: beautiful green 58cm Rambouillet in the FB riv buy/sell group.
>
> No connections to the seller and they don't seem to know their asking 
> price yet, but if you've been looking for one, this one looks great!
>
> [image: ram.jpg]
>
> On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 9:56:55 AM UTC-4 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:
>
>> Btw, the Reston (VA) Homer is now down to $2,500.
>>
>>
>> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/reston-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7726857824.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 7:40:06 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> That Reston Homer is nicely appointed and a good deal for someone right 
>>> for a 47cm!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 9:43:22 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> Your patience continues to earn you money.  Now the price is down to 
>>>> $6000.  Wait until September and you'll get paid to take it.  
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 8:46:10 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I love a bargain 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:40:48 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's on special offer now to those of us who are watching it.  Now 
>>>>>> avaiable for the low low price of $6250.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but 
>>>>>>> this Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through 
>>>>>>>> the roof.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wow
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BL in EC
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Heron Touring 
>>>>>>>>>>> 55cm
>>>>>>>>>>> $7000
>>>>>>>>>>> Walled Lake, Michigan
>>>>>>>>>>> Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto 
>>>>>>>>>>> racks, and full Campagnolo...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roadini
>>>>>>>>>>>> 57cm
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2000
>>>>>>>>>>>> Emeryville, CA
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7

Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Spring 2024 Photos

[John Rinker]

I agree with JAS- beautiful light in that photo and those blossoms are 
simply sublime! 

Cheers, John

On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 3:32:14 PM UTC-7 JAS wrote:

> Beautiful photo, Jason, with the light on your bike and that blooming tree 
> in the background.  Good work.
>
> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 11:46:46 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Vancouver's in full blossom swing now 
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] It's New Bike What?

[John Bokman]

That ride looks like so much fun! Love the color pop of the Red brakes on 
Purple frameset. Reminds me of days on my 1994 Maroon mustached XO-3. Also 
my 1990 MB2 (because it was also purple). Thanks for posting Corwin.

John

On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 3:30:25 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> Looks great, and I love the color, and the fat tires with the Albastache 
> combo.
>
> I think you win the Riv with the lowest bars award!
>
> Eric
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 2:03 AM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>
>> It's definitely not new bike day. That was back in the first week of 
>> February. Not even New Bike Month. So it's New Bike Quarter?
>>
>> Anyway, I picked up my much anticipated and long-awaited custom Rivendell 
>> last month. Some interesting aspects include:
>>
>> 1) SRAM drop bar levers mounted on opposite sides (with respect to normal 
>> drop bar mounting) on Nitto Albastache bars - as suggested by Bill Lindsay.
>>
>> 2) A Fizik Aliante Gamma saddle recovered by Mick Peel in Australia and 
>> sporting the Rivendell logo.
>>
>> 3) A Rich Lesnik built wheelset with Onyx hubs and Velocity Quill rims.
>>
>> 4) SRAM rear derailer and SRAM bar-end shifters.
>>
>> 5) Shimano Ultegra 6650 compact double crankset with TA Specialities 
>> chainrings
>>
>> 6) Chris King bottom bracket with outboard bearings.
>>
>> 7) DT Swiss skewers.
>>
>> 8) Custom lug carving by Mark Nobilette.
>>
>> 9) Ritchey Micro Road pedals.
>>
>> 10) Tektro CX 8.4 short-pull V-brakes.
>>
>> The main difference between my new custom and the old custom are the 
>> cantilever posts and lug carving.
>>
>> I can report that my new custom feels just like my old custom - wherever 
>> it is. I rode the bike in the Redlands Strada Rossa last Saturday and it 
>> performed flawlessly - despite my lack of experience on dirt roads and 
>> singletrack.
>>
>> A few photos illustrating the most salient aspects follow...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>> [image: drivetrain.jpg][image: carvedLugs.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: I have questions

[John Dewey]

Hey, Ted…

Curious—what do you mean by ‘West Coast’ Sam?

Is that a bike you leave somewhere on the left coast? And if so…where? Bay
area perchance?

Best / John Dewey

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 8:51 AM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 8:10:14 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>  Can 48 mm tires do a 15-17 mph road ride pace?
>
> Yes. I have Rene Herse 48mm tires on my Breadwinner G-Road, Gravel King
> (smooth) 48mm on West Coast Sam, and Ultradynamico 48mm tires on East Coast
> Sam, and 15-17mph is pretty much my normal pace on all of them. The Gravel
> Kings require only a bit more effort than the RH tires. The Ultradynamico
> tires require noticeably more effort, but it's not like they're boat
> anchors. I've done a couple of 20mph rides on the Breadwinner. My Rivendell
> Road recently went from 26 to 32mm (though they measure 29 on the skinny
> rims) tires. It's easier to ride at 20mph on that bike, but only marginally
> so.
>
>
> What are people using to charge phones on long rides away from home?
>
> For my Breadwinner I spent a lot of time thinking about and designing a
> flexible generator-light-charging setup, and I'm very happy with the
> result. The coaxial wire from the hub ends in a quick-connector behind the
> fork crown. Normally my headlight (Supernova E3 pro 2) plugs into that, and
> the tail light plugs into the headlight. If I want to charge something, I
> have a Sinewave Revolution that can plug into the generator instead of the
> headlight. That leaves me without lights, but I also can plug the lights
> into a USB power source. Supernova says the lights won't run off a battery,
> but the 5v from the battery is more than enough. They aren't at their full
> brightness, but they are plenty bright for most conditions. I prefer having
> a headlight with a properly shaped beam (sorry, Beacon), and you can't
> really generate enough watts to run both a light and charge a phone,
> anyway. And besides, reasonably lightweight USB power sources are cheap and
> easy. The one I have is only a few ounces and can charge my phone 3x. And I
> can recharge it from my generator hub if I want. In fact, theoretically I
> can connect both the generator and the lights to the battery, and it will
> charge the battery as the battery is powering the lights. I haven't tested
> that to see if the generator makes enough power to run the lights and still
> add to the battery charge level.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rapid rise derailleur suggestion

[John Dewey]

@ http://disraeligears.co.uk/…well I suppose if you pedal around in a
saltwater bath, like some of those unfortunate souls…that might happen.

For those us who ride under sunny skies now and again—and take care of
stuff properly—I can tell you that after years and years of working those
mechs, never a mixed-up shift that wasn’t my doing and not even a
microscopic spot of corrosion to be found anywhere.

Total hooey I say. And I’ve got the goods to prove it 浪

Jock


On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 7:15 PM Chintan Jadwani 
wrote:

> Another question - from a couple of reviews here people seem indifference
> of the performance between low vs high normal. But online elsewhwre, there
> seems to be strong dislike for low normal - why is that?
>
> For example - disraeligears.co.uk writes for the xt m760
>
> "The Shimano Deore XT (M760) is my absolutely least favourite Deore XT
> variant. It has cheap (rust prone) detailing, unnecessary styling and,
> worst of all, it’s low normal. not your obvious choice for slogging your
> way through the mud and grime of a British winter. Bring back stainless
> steel small parts, polished finishes and top normal operating logic."
>
> On Wed, 20 Mar, 2024, 5:07 am John Dewey,  wrote:
>
>> And the Rivendell ‘fan base’ is a subset of another and another so as to
>> be mostly inconsequential. We do count, however and a few brave souls do
>> sort-of OK serving us.
>>
>> Nevertheless, most of us (even here in RBW’s backyard) seldom cross paths
>> with cyclists with whom we have anything in common other than two wheels.
>> We’re already a bit abnormal and ‘low-normal’ makes us even more so.
>>
>> Jock (and his fleet of abnormal low-normals)
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:41 AM Johnny Alien 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have to think that most of the market for these is from the Rivendell
>>> fan base. I don't hear any other bike group talking about them at all.
>>> Because of that I kind of think IF Riv ends up bringing their new one to
>>> market the used scene will come WAY down. Just a theory. I really hope that
>>> I can test the theory (because they successfully release it)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 12:14:10 PM UTC-4 chintan...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you all for the replies :) Now that I know of the RR, every time
>>>> I am on an uphill and I have to push the gear to climb higher on the
>>>> cassette I feel some justification for having a "low-normal" derailleur.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks also for clarifying that any of these will work well.
>>>>
>>>> The RR will also hypothetically make life a little easier in
>>>> introducing a friend to front and rear shifting- why does the same action
>>>> push the bike to a higher gear in the front and lower gear in the rear (I
>>>> forget too..)
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 at 20:58, Miles Payton  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I got a used XTR M951 long cage derailleur for a song on ebay a few
>>>>> months ago. Maybe there's not much demand? The seller gave me a half off
>>>>> offer so I couldn't refuse. Anyway it works great and it appears they're
>>>>> usually $50-80 depending on the condition. Not bad for what was once a
>>>>> top-of-the-line derailleur. I'd just avoid the NOS stuff because that's
>>>>> where you start spending $200 or more.
>>>>> I've been plenty happy with mine. It's paired to Gevenalle 10 speed
>>>>> shifters on my Atlantis. I can't speak to replacement parts but it 
>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>> be expensive to replace, and my old M900 hasn't needed more than a rebuild
>>>>> in 20 years. They're pretty well-made.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 12:01:39 PM UTC-5 chintan jadwani wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking to try a RR derailleur and want something under 50-60
>>>>>> ideally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which ones would you recommend? Were there are early RR derailleurs
>>>>>> that one should stay from or budget ones that are a good value? Were 
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> differences in pulley sizes - so would be better to get one where
>>>>>> replacements are available?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm currently seeing an LX m580, xt M760, an xtr m951 and xtr m952
>>>>>> around that range on ebay in different used conditions...and then the
>>>>>> prices rise ve

Re: [RBW] Re: Rapid rise derailleur suggestion

[John Dewey]

And the Rivendell ‘fan base’ is a subset of another and another so as to be
mostly inconsequential. We do count, however and a few brave souls do
sort-of OK serving us.

Nevertheless, most of us (even here in RBW’s backyard) seldom cross paths
with cyclists with whom we have anything in common other than two wheels.
We’re already a bit abnormal and ‘low-normal’ makes us even more so.

Jock (and his fleet of abnormal low-normals)

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:41 AM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> I have to think that most of the market for these is from the Rivendell
> fan base. I don't hear any other bike group talking about them at all.
> Because of that I kind of think IF Riv ends up bringing their new one to
> market the used scene will come WAY down. Just a theory. I really hope that
> I can test the theory (because they successfully release it)
>
> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 12:14:10 PM UTC-4 chintan...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for the replies :) Now that I know of the RR, every time I
>> am on an uphill and I have to push the gear to climb higher on the cassette
>> I feel some justification for having a "low-normal" derailleur.
>>
>> Thanks also for clarifying that any of these will work well.
>>
>> The RR will also hypothetically make life a little easier in introducing
>> a friend to front and rear shifting- why does the same action push the bike
>> to a higher gear in the front and lower gear in the rear (I forget too..)
>>
>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 at 20:58, Miles Payton  wrote:
>>
>>> I got a used XTR M951 long cage derailleur for a song on ebay a few
>>> months ago. Maybe there's not much demand? The seller gave me a half off
>>> offer so I couldn't refuse. Anyway it works great and it appears they're
>>> usually $50-80 depending on the condition. Not bad for what was once a
>>> top-of-the-line derailleur. I'd just avoid the NOS stuff because that's
>>> where you start spending $200 or more.
>>> I've been plenty happy with mine. It's paired to Gevenalle 10 speed
>>> shifters on my Atlantis. I can't speak to replacement parts but it wouldn't
>>> be expensive to replace, and my old M900 hasn't needed more than a rebuild
>>> in 20 years. They're pretty well-made.
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 12:01:39 PM UTC-5 chintan jadwani wrote:
>>>
 I'm looking to try a RR derailleur and want something under 50-60
 ideally.

 Which ones would you recommend? Were there are early RR derailleurs
 that one should stay from or budget ones that are a good value? Were there
 differences in pulley sizes - so would be better to get one where
 replacements are available?

 I'm currently seeing an LX m580, xt M760, an xtr m951 and xtr m952
 around that range on ebay in different used conditions...and then the
 prices rise very quickly!

 Thanks a lot for guiding :)
 Chintan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rapid rise derailleur suggestion

[John Rinker]

Perfectly clear! Thanks JJ.

On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 8:17:37 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> High normal refers to “regular” rear derailleurs, for which the default 
> position with no spring tension is in the highest gear. Hence, high normal. 
> Low normal (what Shimano called Rapid Rise) is the opposite: the default 
> derailleur position without spring tension is in the lowest (largest) gear. 
>
> This is why Grant/Riv are calling their low normal derailleur in 
> development the “OM,” for opposite movement, sort of rejecting the notion 
> that high normal is the absolute normal. The different movements are just 
> opposite each other. 
>
>
>
> On Mar 18, 2024, at 11:02 PM, John Rinker  wrote:
>
> Just curious: What does 'high normal' mean in the derailleur world?
>
>
> Cheers, John
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 3:44:45 PM UTC-7 ian m wrote:
>
>> I believe the M952 is high normal, but you can't go wrong with the M951
>>
>> On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 1:01:39 PM UTC-4 chintan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking to try a RR derailleur and want something under 50-60 
>>> ideally.
>>>
>>> Which ones would you recommend? Were there are early RR derailleurs that 
>>> one should stay from or budget ones that are a good value? Were there 
>>> differences in pulley sizes - so would be better to get one where 
>>> replacements are available?
>>>
>>> I'm currently seeing an LX m580, xt M760, an xtr m951 and xtr m952 
>>> around that range on ebay in different used conditions...and then the 
>>> prices rise very quickly! 
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot for guiding :)
>>> Chintan
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Rapid rise derailleur suggestion

[John Rinker]

Just curious: What does 'high normal' mean in the derailleur world?

Cheers, John



On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 3:44:45 PM UTC-7 ian m wrote:

> I believe the M952 is high normal, but you can't go wrong with the M951
>
> On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 1:01:39 PM UTC-4 chintan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm looking to try a RR derailleur and want something under 50-60 ideally.
>>
>> Which ones would you recommend? Were there are early RR derailleurs that 
>> one should stay from or budget ones that are a good value? Were there 
>> differences in pulley sizes - so would be better to get one where 
>> replacements are available?
>>
>> I'm currently seeing an LX m580, xt M760, an xtr m951 and xtr m952 around 
>> that range on ebay in different used conditions...and then the prices rise 
>> very quickly! 
>>
>> Thanks a lot for guiding :)
>> Chintan
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Thumbshifters

[John]

Ahh apologies, I see what you're saying now. I never actually removed the 
shifters from the clamps so can't speak to that. I just reversed the entire 
shifter assemblies around.

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Re: [RBW] Ride Reports - Where You Defied the Weather

[John G]

Visual ride report of a day that ended in pretty hard rain.  About 6 
minutes into the video the rain came. at 9:40 we're making wakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRgZG5d10ZY

Cheers,
 John G
Union Bridge, MD
On Sunday, March 17, 2024 at 7:40:07 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:

> Where riding and work meet to make for interesting stories is memorable 
> indeed.  That sounds so different from where I live, other than the wind.
>
> My first bike as an adult was a Kona Blast, and I had two wheel sets.  I 
> remember trying to keep up with my brother in law one day with the road 
> wheels, a 40k road ride in windy conditions, him on his new Trek road bike 
> (trying to ride like Lance lol); I was about 40 pounds heavier but that 
> didn't matter, I was going to suffer on that bike, against him on his road 
> bike.
>
> On Sunday, March 17, 2024 at 4:23:49 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Nothing epic here either, but I'll play. This incident sticks in my 
>> memory as one of those incidents that you laugh about for the rest of your 
>> life.
>>
>> Probably 30 years ago, young, spry 38 or 39 year old, working in Gallup, 
>> Four Corners NM, outskirts of the Navajo Reservation. Took long lunch 
>> break, early April, for ride. Spring winds had Sprung up. Winter layoff; 
>> fat, tired, and weak. Took the hotrodded 1991 Specialized Stumpjumper Team 
>> with "road" wheelset (1 of 3: road, commuting, dirt): 559X 0.9" Specialized 
>> Turbos, 48/38/26 triple (Topline?) and 12-19 7 speed cassette, (22 mm tires 
>> on 19 mm OW rims = 24" diameter X 48/12 = 96" high). Rode east on Rte 66 
>> with howling spring westerly behind me, big ring and small cogs, 27-28 mph, 
>> thought, "Not bad, not bad, I'm in good shape!" 12-13 miles to where 66 
>> disappeared into eastbound I-14. Turned around to go back.
>>
>> NM spring westerlies are beasts!
>>
>> Tailwind became headwind. Started in 38, used up cassette, admitted 
>> defeat and got into the 26. Plugged away, ran out of water, plugged away 
>> until I got back to office. 
>>
>> Exhausted, red eye from dust and wind, cramps in quads and calves, and 
>> also abdominals. Cramped standing up, bent over, cramped bending over. Had 
>> local-access TV show that evening (Gallup, NM; small time doesn't begin to 
>> describe it, but I was PR Director for the area HC system). Went on air at 
>> ~6 pm with cramps and red eyes. Never learned about the Nielsen ratings.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 9:29 AM Jay  wrote:
>>
>>> Some of my most memorable rides involved bad weather.  I recall many 
>>> moments from a ride close to 20 years ago, where halfway into a 60k ride it 
>>> started snowing, a lot.  I rode home 30km in what accumulated to 5cm of 
>>> snow, on 35mm tires.  I used a small backpack with a water bladder and the 
>>> hose froze and I was out of water/food.  I stayed upright. I smiled most of 
>>> the time (when I wasn't displaying fear when cornering), and realized that 
>>> such rides can bring one a lot of joy.  On the flip side, I probably had 
>>> 20-30 rides last year in perfect weather...can't recall one detail.
>>>
>>> I would love to read your ride reports where defied the weather.  I have 
>>> one below, from this morning's ride.
>>>
>>> *"Winter's Revenge"*
>>> *Distance*: 40km
>>> *Elevation*: 400m
>>> *Temperature*: -2C to +1C
>>> *Disclaimers*: no photos (use your visualization skills!); lot's of 
>>> talk about non-riv bike
>>>
>>> I woke up at 6am and checked the latest weather report on my phone while 
>>> lying in bed: snow/rain showers starting at 8am, wind gusts up to 50km.  
>>> The radar showed a blue/green blob heading towards me.  
>>>
>>> On Friday I had taken the afternoon off to ride, it was 15C with very 
>>> little wind.  Had a great ride on Leo (Roadini; aka Goldilocks).  Didn't 
>>> ride yesterday (Saturday).  Rest of the week looks pretty bad (and I'm 
>>> working, so limited time to ride).  I had to ride this morning...
>>>
>>> Went downstairs and checked out the current conditions: it was still 
>>> dark, moderate wind, dry roads.  I made tea and did my morning loosening up 
>>> (stretching) routine as I contemplated which bike to take, scouring the 
>>> multiple weather sites.  Leo, with her rim brakes, double drive train, and 
>>> 43mm smooth tires, or the Fargo with her 2.2" tires, mech discs, 1x.  I'm a 
>>> bit "soft" when it comes to my bikes so I opted for the Far

[RBW] Re: FS - Spring Cleaning - Nitto, Crust, Tektro, Etc.

[John Rinker]

PM sent on the BB7s. Cheers.


On Saturday, March 16, 2024 at 5:35:39 PM UTC-7 saintruggler wrote:

> PS sent for the Fleecer Ridge
>
>
> On Saturday, March 16, 2024 at 4:51:46 PM UTC-7 J C wrote:
>
>> Greetings all,
>>
>> In making room for a new Roadeo, i've been doing some spring cleaning and 
>> decided it was time to get rid of some things i've had for way too long.
>>
>> Most items are new or like new condition. 
>>
>> Prices do not include shipping, feel free to make reasonable offers.
>>
>> *Photos here:*
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1t_CxLajkB-9nPWjkQ5EDMNxfJijb-PES?usp=sharing
>>
>> *New or Like New Stuff*
>>
>> Nitto Noodle 52cm: $100
>> Nitto RM-013 Dirt Drop: $75
>> Nitto Wavie 660: $100
>> Crust Ron's Bar: $100
>> Salsa Cowchipper: $50
>> Tektro CR720: $50
>> Tektro 559 (nutted version): $40
>> Dia Compe Long Reach (nutted): $40
>> Avid BB7 MTN: $50
>> Crust Hand Sanitizer Levers: $30
>> Brooks C17 Cambium: $80
>> Shimano Claris FD: $25
>>
>> *Used Stuff*
>> Soma Cazaderos 700x50: $50/pair
>> Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge 700x55: $60/New, $40/3 months use
>> Suntour Levers: $20
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> JC in Southern California
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: (re-introducing) Amelia Homer Hilsen

[John Rinker]

Ha! 'Women, cats, or felonies'. Good one! Also, very beautiful bicycle. 
Enjoy the ride!

Cheers, John

On Sunday, March 17, 2024 at 6:51:51 AM UTC-7 SeanMac wrote:

> What a beautiful bike.  Glad it is working better for you.  Looks like you 
> had a great ride destination!
>
> What do you have those bars wrapped with?  
>
> Sean
> EA, NY
>
> On Sunday, March 17, 2024 at 1:06:52 AM UTC-4 eitanz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks to everyone's suggestions for shortening the reach on my new 
>> A(melia) Homer Hilsen.
>>
>>  The 26mm diameter and silver finish requirements limited handlebar 
>> choices considerably, but I ended up going with Liz' suggestion for Soma 
>> Highway One bars, paired with 10mm shorter quill. The bike fits SO MUCH 
>> better now.  Rode for almost 4 hours yesterday with nary a shoulder, neck, 
>> nor arm twinge. 
>>
>> ** Why Amelia?
>> 1) The "A" has to stand for something.
>> 2) I've always been fond of the name, but S.O. nixed it from the baby 
>> name list--a diagreement mooted when she gave birth to a son.
>> 3) I always felt that bicycles, like ships, should be named after women, 
>> cats, or felonies. 
>>
>> Wish the pic could capture Amelia's subtle but elegant butternut sparkle:
>> [image: IMG_3578 (2).jpeg]
>>
>> New bars a much better fit for my body. However, I hadn't realized how 
>> much longer the drop part of the  bar would be than on the now-replaced 
>> Noodle, or maybe it's the shorter stem, or maybe both, but my knees will 
>> sometimes graze shifters when popping up out of a seated position. 
>> [image: IMG_3581 (2).jpeg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_3582 (2).jpeg]
>>
>> --Eitan in Marina Del Rey
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Thumbshifters

[John]

Hi Kiley. I'm running 9sp Microshift thumbies reversed and it works really 
well. As Joe says, you install (without cabling) the original left/FD 
shifter on the right side under the bar, and original right/RD shifter on 
the left. I'm not sure what you mean by easy to reverse on the holders or 
cannot be reversed on the holders. For the Microshifts, it should be a 
simple matter of switching them around and mounting under/inside the bar!

John in Minnesota

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Queen's Ransom (Sort of)

[John Rinker]

Matthias, Water is definitely a concern as you move through that wonderful 
landscape. For the first couple of days we were near parks and human 
dwellings so we could fill up pretty regularly. My modus operendi is 
usually to drink a bottle of water whenever I find a place to refill. We 
asked a couple of very kind people as we rode by their yards (Always a 
great excuse for a fun conversation!) Once we left Superior and headed into 
the open desert things got a little more tricky. Luckily, as mentioned, 
there had been rain so Telegraph creek and Arnette creek were flowing. As 
we headed a little further south water became more scarce. Our turn-around 
point was a few miles before the rain catcher on the AZT, but we made it 
back to Picketpost trailhead where we were able to refill due to the 
kindness of strangers. From here back to Mesa you are once again frequently 
near inhabited places where water is plentiful.

Kim, Thanks for your kind words. Hopefully the report inspires similar 
adventures.

Steve, Yes, the Southwest is exotic for sure, but I've been eyeing up a 
ride in your neck of the woods; out in the Ashville area. Looks pretty 
beautiful! 

Brian, I completely agree. Parts of the ride are strenuous, but worth every 
calorie spent push the bike up those remote trails. When you've been to 
Tuscon, have you ridden in the Sky Islands? Super amazing riding!

Cheers, John

On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:31:05 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the photos and report John! I have some friends that moved to 
> Tucson in 2020 and have been lucky enough to get down to visit them each 
> year since. The riding in the Sonora is wonderful! We sliced off a portion 
> of the Gila River Ramble a few years ago but bailed early as we had some 
> folks that turned out to be in way over their heads. Can confirm the riding 
> is extremely strenuous, but the scenery is worth every hike a bike! I've 
> been itching to get back and complete it since.
>
> Brian
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 8:04:52 AM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> John, excellent!  Nice photos too. Thanks for sharing your experience 
>> with us. As a South-easterner (North Carolina) I find the Southwest 
>> exotically beautiful - and in particular, the Sonoran desert. 
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:15:30 AM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Great ride report, thanks! 
>>> Can you please expound a bit on what  you did for water? 
>>> That cannot have been trivial, looking at those pictures.
>>> cheers -mathias
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 12:26:32 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes,  Diana, it's a very special desert indeed! 
>>>>
>>>> To attach photos I used the 'Insert Photo Attachment' tool at the 
>>>> bottom. If your photos are too large of a file size, you will continue to 
>>>> get the message you have been getting. Here are the export settings (Apple 
>>>> Photos) I use for my photos which come out to about 500-600 KB each. Hope 
>>>> this helps.
>>>>
>>>> [image: Screen Shot 2024-03-14 at 9.21.05 PM.png]
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, John
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 5:47:24 PM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I love the Sonoran desert! Can't wait to move back. Thanks for the 
>>>>> great pictures. How did you attach them to your message? When I tried I 
>>>>> got 
>>>>> nonstop errors saying my message was too large.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 4:43:17 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: IMG_0444.jpeg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In mid-February my friend and I put our skis away for a couple of 
>>>>>> weeks and headed to the Sonoran desert for a roll through that beautiful 
>>>>>> landscape. Weeks of rain preceding our trip left a carpet of green 
>>>>>> through 
>>>>>> which ribbons of desert singletrack twisted, climbed, and dipped beneath 
>>>>>> red stone mountains and narrow canyons. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: IMG_0427.jpeg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The cacti were fat and happy while they waited for days long and warm 
>>>>>> enough to bring on a spectacular bloom this Spring. Cold, starry nights 
>>>>>> made for perfect camping, and riding beneath a toasty sun thawed the 
>>>>>> morning chill. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>&

Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[John Johnson]

A quickbeam 
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/235473381832?mkevt=1=0=e11021.m43.l3160=7=osgood=b2dc6c424ee7479b95d992040adac846=43169831692=RU=-1%7E1=20240314063800=11021>and
 
a (not a riv, but what I would guess is an early) nobilette 
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/235473491842?itmmeta=01HRYK4D0Q79HX7WBSG76XAGR8=item36d3505782:g:wEwAAOSwqA1l8kZx>frame
 
from the same seller on Ebay

john
On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 12:36:29 AM UTC+1 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:

> 47cm upright Homer Hilson spotted on Craigslist here in the DC/Northern 
> Virginia area.  (Not mine, other disclaimers, etc.!)
>
>
> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/reston-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7726857824.html
>
> Liz
> Washington, DC
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 1:55:25 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Haha.  $700 would be a very good deal.  
>>
>> I'm intrigued by. his front rack.  I have two copies of that rack and 
>> mine don't have a fender attachment point.  That spot is pretty important 
>> for a full coverage metal fender setup.  I may throw him an offer for only 
>> the racks, and see what happens.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 10:24:06 AM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe an accidental extra zero /  a misplaced decimal point???
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but 
>>>> this Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through the 
>>>>> roof.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> wow
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BL in EC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Heron Touring 
>>>>>>>> 55cm
>>>>>>>> $7000
>>>>>>>> Walled Lake, Michigan
>>>>>>>> Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto racks, 
>>>>>>>> and full Campagnolo...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Roadini
>>>>>>>>> 57cm
>>>>>>>>> 2000
>>>>>>>>> Emeryville, CA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick Moore
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>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other 
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[RBW] Re: Roadini on F1 Track ride report

[John Rinker]

That's very cool, Mike. The promo video really captures how much fun it 
must be to ride those 20 turns, and it looks like there are some good 
swimmin' holes in which to cool off!  How long is the track? 

Thanks for sharing. 

Cheers, John

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 3:05:13 PM UTC-7 Tom M wrote:

> Love the bar tape. Sounds like a good time.
> Tom in Alexandria, VA
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 4:37:05 PM UTC-4 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> We have a Formula 1 track in Austin called Circuit of the Americas and on 
>> many Tuesdays they have a bike night. Last night was the first one of the 
>> season. 
>>
>> The track is about a 3.36 mile loop with 1 very steep (11%) uphill (and 
>> corresponding steep downhill). The pavement is so smooth and free of 
>> debris, in certain places it makes a satisfying sticky-grippy sound as the 
>> tires roll. There is a bypass for the big hill if one does not want to do 
>> it every lap.  
>>
>> Aside from the novelty of riding on an F1 race track, the really special 
>> thing about it is it's just nice to ride somewhere without having a single 
>> thought about cars or having to stop for any reason. There's so much space. 
>> Everyone can ride at the pace they want. There are some really fun slight 
>> descent sections that are a blast to pedal hard and get going really fast 
>> under my own power (i.e. not just hill induced). Or just toodle around with 
>> your legs outstretched singing out loud.
>>
>> I brought my 57 Roadini and had a lovely time. This time was neat because 
>> my friend brought his 8-year-old twins who'd never been before. I was 
>> impressed they did the big downhill (I wouldn't have been brave enough at 
>> that age.)
>>
>> Definitely worth checking out if you're within striking range of Austin, 
>> especially before it gets too hot.
>>
>> Mike 
>>
>> https://circuitoftheamericas.com/bike-night/
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

[John Bokman]

Yeah, but surely this isn't going to solve the problem of the front wheel 
flopping? Seems like the Steerstopper does solve a legitimate problem. I 
have no doubt that there are others (maybe less expensive). but how is a 
rubber band around a brake lever going to stop the wheel from flopping when 
on a workstand, for example? Or when packing panniers? Or when loading the 
bike onto a bike rack? Etc.

Respectfully,
John
Portland, OR
On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:10:56 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi Leah,
>
> Your Platypus is going to be amazing. I advocate that you get the Velo 
> Orange steering damper.
>
> However, to install it you are going to need to reroute your cables on the 
> downtube. Here's what you need for that, which allows you to run full 
> length outer housing. I have these for my rear brake on my Rivendell and 
> they work great. As a bonus, you can get cool cable outers in a contrasting 
> color (try Sim Works or Velo Orange for these): 
> https://www.amazon.com/ZYAMY-Bicycle-Hydraulic-Housing-Clamps/dp/B095P4GPQZ
>
> The steerstopper is a cool farkle (fancy accessory really kewl likely 
> expensive), but it's a $100 solution to a $10 problem. Try one of these on 
> your front brake lever first as a parking brake:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-Original-Reusable-Assorted/dp/B00SHBNE8E/ref=asc_df_B00SHBNE8E/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=19807628==g=15513276014631186794c===9067609=pla-318105899700=1=CjwKCAjw17qvBhBrEiwA1rU9w2QBemfat-bZ6llmXU4aAVZxoNtAa1OXdctlHdbXqGK7DcyUwTEkvxoC9MkQAvD_BwE
>
> Michael
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:22:42 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Tom,
>> Thank-you for your information. I appreciate it.  
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 7:52:33 AM UTC-7 Tom Horton wrote:
>>
>>> kim, re the steerstopper on a clem L, I've had one on a clem L 64 for a 
>>> few years and works fineI don't load the front basket with bricks or 
>>> anything ultra heavy, but load of groceries, books, etc...no 
>>> problemsthe steerstopper guy wasn't sure it would work and even offered 
>>> to make a custom, longer version of the steerstopper; but the regular one 
>>> has been fine for me. you need to snug the receiver part up tight (but 
>>> beware, you can strip the threads if you get too exuberant).  I'd recommend 
>>> it for a clem L; also have them on a few other front basketed rivs, all 
>>> good.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_5598.jpeg][image: IMG_5582.jpeg]Hi Friends,
>>>>
>>>> I’ve had a Nitto Basket Rack from Rivendell for a few years. I think it 
>>>> looks awesome, it’s dead useful, but it annoyed me that it was heavy and 
>>>> made my bars swing around on my mermaid Platy. But as I plan the build for 
>>>> my 50 cm purple Platy (which is taking a million years) I am considering 
>>>> putting the basket rack back into service. It pains me to see it sitting, 
>>>> and it’s so pretty and unique that I just want to give it another try. 
>>>> Maybe the 650b wheels will be less floppy with this rack? Maybe the 
>>>> smaller, lighter bike won’t seem as penalized by the heft of this rack? It 
>>>> would be such an easy experiment if it wasn’t for the dyno light/wiring 
>>>> that is affected by the decision. It’s not a matter of simply pulling the 
>>>> rack, because wire length, light mount, etc are affected and will not be 
>>>> an 
>>>> easy switch. My shop hates soldering and I certainly can’t do it. 
>>>>
>>>> I had started a thread long ago about this and a lot of people reported 
>>>> similar experiences. Now that some more years have gone by, I’m curious if 
>>>> opinions have changed, or if more people have these racks and would offer 
>>>> their opinions. There isn’t much in the way of reviews to read online. 
>>>> Maybe some here would offer theirs. If more folks are trying and loving 
>>>> their Nitto Basket Racks, I’ll be likely to install mine. 
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, this beautiful Platypus sits in my living room on the shelf, 
>>>> waiting for its parts to return from the anodizer. And, there’s fresh snow 
>>>> on the ground. But talking bikes will get me through!
>>>> Leah
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah

You asked:  " Maybe the 650b wheels will be less floppy with this rack? 
Maybe the smaller, lighter bike won’t seem as penalized by the heft of this 
rack?"

The 650B wheel have a minimal effect on Wheel Flop, since the wider tire 
results in a tire radius close to a 700C x 32 tire (650x48 radius = 344mm 
vs a 700C x 32 radius = 347mm).   Using Jim Youngs on line trial/flop 
calculator Bicycle Trail Calculator | yojimg.net 
<http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php> with the following frame 
geometries from RBW for a 50cm Platy with 650B wheels:
HTA,  69.5°, from RBW geo charts
Fork Rake,   assumed to be 55mm.   RBW does NOT publish fork rake and the 
55mm is from a 50 Cheviot with 650B wheels.
Wheel/Tire,   assumed to be 650B x 48,  RBW states 50mm as the largest tire.

Trial and Flop are solely determined by Wheel Radius, HTA, and fork rake:

Flop = Trail x sin(HTA) x cos (HTA), and Trial = (Wheel Radius x 
cos(HTA) - Fork Rake) / sin (HTA)

Here are the results for a 650x48 and a 700x32 tire for the 69.5° HTA and 
55mm Rake
   650x48   700x32
Trail 70mm  71mm   No surprise, RBW models are 
known to have high trail, due to slack HTA and a nominal 2" fork rake
Flop 23mm  23mm   High Flop is direct result of the 
high trial

So the Trail and Flop are essentially the same for a 650x48 and a 700x32. 

If you use 650x42, Trial and Flop are slightly reduced
Trail = 68mm   &Flop = 22mm

Frame weight or bike weight does not affect trail or flop per the above 
equations.  Your lighter custom will handle the same with the basket as 
your other Platy.IF you reduce the weight carried in the basket, you 
will notice less side to side motion at low speeds, due to the downward 
force produced by the lower weight (mass). 

I hope this helps

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: IMG_5598.jpeg][image: IMG_5582.jpeg]Hi Friends,
>
> I’ve had a Nitto Basket Rack from Rivendell for a few years. I think it 
> looks awesome, it’s dead useful, but it annoyed me that it was heavy and 
> made my bars swing around on my mermaid Platy. But as I plan the build for 
> my 50 cm purple Platy (which is taking a million years) I am considering 
> putting the basket rack back into service. It pains me to see it sitting, 
> and it’s so pretty and unique that I just want to give it another try. 
> Maybe the 650b wheels will be less floppy with this rack? Maybe the 
> smaller, lighter bike won’t seem as penalized by the heft of this rack? It 
> would be such an easy experiment if it wasn’t for the dyno light/wiring 
> that is affected by the decision. It’s not a matter of simply pulling the 
> rack, because wire length, light mount, etc are affected and will not be an 
> easy switch. My shop hates soldering and I certainly can’t do it. 
>
> I had started a thread long ago about this and a lot of people reported 
> similar experiences. Now that some more years have gone by, I’m curious if 
> opinions have changed, or if more people have these racks and would offer 
> their opinions. There isn’t much in the way of reviews to read online. 
> Maybe some here would offer theirs. If more folks are trying and loving 
> their Nitto Basket Racks, I’ll be likely to install mine. 
>
> Meanwhile, this beautiful Platypus sits in my living room on the shelf, 
> waiting for its parts to return from the anodizer. And, there’s fresh snow 
> on the ground. But talking bikes will get me through!
> Leah
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[John Johnson]

I have both normal and longish chainstay bikes in my house. I like the 
aesthetics of both, and they both feel "normal" (like Matt from Crust said) 
once you're riding. 

I know way less about bike handling and geometry than most of you, but one 
thing I assume that when you're riding in a more upright position, you want 
those long chainstays because your center of gravity is more aft than with 
a "traditional" bike position, where you are leaned a bit more forward on 
your hands and your weight is distributed more up front. It makes intuitive 
sense to me, and if you look at both Jones and Riv, the comfy upright 
position that they both aim for (albeit via different routes) involves 
getting the bars closer to you (high stack and short reach in the case of 
Jones, high handlebars in the case of Riv) and long chainstays. It would 
make sense that if the rider's weight is supposed to be farther back, the 
bike design should take this into account.

-John 
On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 3:57:29 PM UTC+1 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well, the larger volume tires are definitely part of the ride quality 
> equation. If they are “bouncy” the pressure is too high.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 8, 2024, at 8:50 AM, Chris Halasz  wrote:
>
> I'll chime in that while the very long (54cm?) chainstays on some of the 
> frames introduce some storage concerns, they (the Platypus, for instance) 
> ride very, very nicely. 
>
>
> That said, I dislike the common (what, 41cm?) short chainstays far more 
> than I dislike the extended variety. 
>
> My chainstay sweet spot compromise may be more like 46cm, but I find 
> myself drawn to even longer. 
>
> What I haven't yet come to appreciate are large tires for road use, say, 
> anything over 35mm. The longer chainstay bikes, to me, start to look 
> nervous with narrower tires. I really like the looks of the Clem H, though. 
>
> Maybe there's more learning for me to appreciate the wider, heavier, 
> bouncier tread. But that's another topic. 
>
> - Chris 
> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 8:30:45 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Ian thinks "there's a heaping good portion of "I got mine" in your 
>> perspective."  
>>
>> You are allowed to think whatever you like about me and my motives.  Are 
>> you in the market for a new (to you) bike now?  What is your build concept?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 4:02:18 PM UTC-8 ian m wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> All those wanting Rivendell to re-release bikes they made 10 years ago 
>>> do NOT have to turn in their Riv card, but they ARE outing themselves as 
>>> PAWNS of the T IC.  Resist the pressures of the Time and Date Industrial 
>>> Complex!  
>>>
>>>
>>> BL I feel like I understand where you're coming from in this thread and 
>>> largely I don't disagree with much of what you're saying but I think 
>>> there's a heaping good portion of "I got mine" in your perspective. Yes, I 
>>> do have whatever the reverse of FOMO is when it comes to Riv bikes (Sad I 
>>> Missed Out, SIMO?). I learned about Riv circa the late aughts while working 
>>> at Amoeba in Berkeley and riding my POS fixed gear bike (with Wald 808 bars 
>>> and front basket) everywhere. Dreamt of virtually every model at the time, 
>>> all of which were firmly out of reach with a record store employee 
>>> paycheck. Had I been able to afford a couple twos threes of their bikes at 
>>> the time I'd probably be hang up free about their current designs. But I 
>>> think we all want what we can't have, and (for a terrible comparison) I 
>>> lament plenty of other unfortunate changes like the reality of modern 
>>> pickup trucks as opposed to my first two, the Datsun 720 and Toyota 22RE. 
>>> Change may be constant but it's not always beneficial
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[John Dewey]

Rich, et. al.

One of my RBWs—Sakuki—came to me as 2nd owner, but it was NOS. I'm not sure
it had seen the pave.

When it arrived, it was equipped with PAUL centerpulls. I know they work
well, but to my eye they were way out of proportion. So I sold them and
installed Dia Compe as seen on yours. They look at home on the silver
'dawg'..and with salmon pads, stop just fine.

JD



On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 6:10 AM R Shannon  wrote:

> Hello John,
>
> Amateur lighting in the photograph. Paint is the Sage Green Riv offered on
> a run of 2014 Sams. Part of that run had cream paint on the head tubes but
> I opted out of that one.
> In another life it has been a workhorse like your Sam. Versatile bikes
> aren't they?
>
> Regarding the DiaCompe centerpulls. I like them. They look good and
> function as well as I could expect. In fact, this bike has also run Tektro
> long reach calipers which worked well enough too. I realize brakes like
> saddles or handlebars are in the YMMV category. You indicated CX-70 cantis
> are on your Sam. I have used those with much success too on a
> previously owned Atlantis. Currently installing CX-50s on another bike. I
> hope that helps.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 9:09 PM john Bokman  wrote:
>
>> Custom paint, Rich?
>>
>> How are you finding the brakes? Very nice looking. I’m running
>> cantilevers on my workhorse Sam (Shimano CX 70), but if I can manage to
>> hustle a second sam in “fast” mode, I may well choose these (given your
>> approval, of course).
>>
>> On Mar 7, 2024, at 5:55 PM, RichS  wrote:
>>
>> And for another take on the Sam Hillborne as a superb bike on pavement,
>> give a nod to mounting a pair of 32mm Grand Bois Cypress. Also pure bliss:-)
>>
>> [image: IMG_0781.jpg]
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 12:26:08 PM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> @laing
>>>
>>> Well.
>>>
>>> That's some garage you've got there. I spy north of $2k invested in
>>> leather saddles alone. I approve.I have sent the pictures to my family and
>>> informed them that I will no longer take complaints about how I have "too
>>> many bicycles" and related nonsense.
>>>
>>> Thanks for this!
>>>
>>> cheers -mathias
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 9:15:26 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or you can buy a bunch of Rivendells and keep most of them
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_0034s.JPG]
>>>> [image: IMG_0031s.JPG]
>>>>
>>>> Note that comfort depends a lot upon your body proportions. When I
>>>> finally got a Rivendell custom for my drop bar road bike, the top tube was
>>>> 10 cm longer than the seat tube.
>>>>
>>>> Laing
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:57:14 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot
>>>>> of bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you
>>>>> want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect
>>>>> previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for
>>>>> a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than
>>>>> the other one.
>>>>>
>>>>> But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5
>>>>> including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a
>>>>> certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, 
>>>>> if
>>>>> you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking
>>>>> for.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully
>>>>>> about what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on
>>>>>> the differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> a Ram.
>>>>>>
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[RBW] ISO: Compact 58mm 22-Teeth Chainring

[John Rinker]

Good evening All,

Wondering if anyone is holding (and willing to part with) the above 
mentioned chainring? I have an older XT crank that I'm looking to continue 
using on my Hunq. 

Cheers, John

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[john Bokman]

Custom paint, Rich?

How are you finding the brakes? Very nice looking. I’m running cantilevers on 
my workhorse Sam (Shimano CX 70), but if I can manage to hustle a second sam in 
“fast” mode, I may well choose these (given your approval, of course).

> On Mar 7, 2024, at 5:55 PM, RichS  wrote:
> 
> And for another take on the Sam Hillborne as a superb bike on pavement, give 
> a nod to mounting a pair of 32mm Grand Bois Cypress. Also pure bliss:-)
> 
> 
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 12:26:08 PM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:
> @laing
> 
> Well.
> 
> That's some garage you've got there. I spy north of $2k invested in leather 
> saddles alone. I approve.I have sent the pictures to my family and informed 
> them that I will no longer take complaints about how I have "too many 
> bicycles" and related nonsense.
> 
> Thanks for this!
> 
> cheers -mathias
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 9:15:26 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
> Or you can buy a bunch of Rivendells and keep most of them
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Note that comfort depends a lot upon your body proportions. When I finally 
> got a Rivendell custom for my drop bar road bike, the top tube was 10 cm 
> longer than the seat tube.
> 
> Laing
> 
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:57:14 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
> The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot of 
> bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you want), 
> upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect previously 
> unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for a couple of 
> decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than the other one.
> 
> But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5 including 
> a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a certain 
> common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, if you don't 
> want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking for.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar > wrote:
> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about what 
> you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the 
> differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a Ram.
> 
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[RBW] Re: Mesabi Trail - Anyone ridden this?

[John]

I've visited individual sections but never a long, continuous stretch. I'd 
liken parts of if to the final section of the Munger State Trail 
<https://www.dnr.state.mn.us/state_trails/willard_munger/index.html> (from 
Jay Cooke State Park to Duluth) in terms of elevation and twistiness. 
Sounds right up your alley!

I personally love the Iron Range, in part for the scenery, but also the 
history and people. An educational/historically focused bike trip is one of 
my favorite activities, and this area has a lot to offer. I could spend 
weeks riding around and visiting museums and historical sites! I have to 
shout out the Forest History Center <https://www.mnhs.org/foresthistory> in 
Grand Rapids and Minnesota Discovery  Center 
<https://www.mndiscoverycenter.com/> in Chisholm as top notch.

There are plenty of hotels/motels in the bigger towns, but it may be worth 
confirming in advance if you're looking to stay in the smaller ones. I 
typically stay in established campgrounds, and sites can be hard to come by 
some summer weekends, so there too checking ahead would be advised. Some 
are nicer than others, or may be more geared towards RVers, but you'll most 
likely find a spot with a little planning. If you're into stealth camping 
there are plenty of wooded areas and lonely backroads.

I wouldn't say this part of the state is exactly famous for its cuisine, 
but you certainly won't go hungry or have trouble finding food. Similar to 
the Upper Peninsula there will be some pasties and the like. Plenty of bar 
food and pizza. I usually try to eat some fish (walleye, lake trout, 
whitefish, etc.) and wild rice while I'm there.

I think your idea makes for a most excellent summer adventure!

John in Minnesota

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[RBW] Re: Trip Report: Death Valley February 2024

[John Rinker]

Excellent trip report Diana! You and your friends covered a lot of 
beautiful, rugged ground, and your photos provide a wonderful window into 
the spectacular expanses of that magical part of the desert. I had just 
seen Iohan Gueorgiuev's trip through the national parks 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5ivbYvq9WU=PLOrCDDpk39gq3jG4ftOO9JXuCONU_p4nM=6>
 
where he covered some ground in Death Valley. I was eager to see more so 
your report was timely.  Cheers, John

On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 8:08:28 AM UTC-8 Eric Marth wrote:

> Bad to the bone! Thanks for sharing Diana :0) 
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 10:49:34 AM UTC-5 diana@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm glad you all enjoyed the trip report! I'm sad I can't edit posts so 
>> you all had to read day 4 twice lol. I'm still getting used to Google 
>> groups (sorry you're getting this message twice Andy).
>>
>> I just bought Tosco bars to switch out the Choco's and I got a new stem 
>> (with the faceplate) using Will's leapyear code. The bars will make me more 
>> upright and the new stem will keep my bars from moving on my hard descents, 
>> at least this is the hope!
>>
>> I'll be doing the Smoke and Fire 400 in May so hopefully I'll get another 
>> trip report for you all then.
>>
>> Diana
>> San Francisco 
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 3:34:40 AM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, what a great trip!
>>>
>>> When I read ride reports I often drift into amazement at the landscapes 
>>> so foreign (or just alien) to my regular environs. Part of the adventure is 
>>> simply facing the unusual or unknown and turning that first pedal stroke. 
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 11:19:20 PM UTC-5 diana@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Map: 
>>>> https://www.gaiagps.com/map/?loc=9.6/-116.8781/36.7032=GJ70zopvv3HDAIv6yQW94aTs=09fa1491-18a7-4735-83a2-eb164d4ba0ba
>>>>
>>>> Total miles: ~165 miles 
>>>> Total Elevation Gain: ~14,400 ft 
>>>>
>>>> *Intro: *
>>>>
>>>> The inspiration for this route came from the Bikepacking.com- 
>>>> Echo-Titus Canyon <https://bikepacking.com/routes/echo-titus-circuit/>, 
>>>> but Titus Canyon is currently closed to all traffic (including bicycles), 
>>>> so we were looking for a way to extend our tip another day. We added 
>>>> Rhyolite 
>>>> Canyon <https://dirtyfreehub.org/routes/nevada/rhyolite-rumble/> from 
>>>> the Dirty Freehub.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> *Bicycles*
>>>>
>>>> Diana’s Bike - 2022 Platypus (50 cm, 38x24 crank, 650Bx43mm GravelKing 
>>>> SK Knobby tires, Nitto Choco handlebar, and a 9-speed cassette)
>>>>
>>>> Ran’s Bike – 2023 Kona Sutra (stock parts except the tubeless 2.1 inch 
>>>> tires)
>>>>
>>>> Mikes Bike – 2022 Salsa Cutthroat (stock parts, 2.2 inch tubeless tires)
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> *Day 1. Rhyolite Rumble*
>>>> Total Miles: 46
>>>> Average Speed 8.6mph
>>>>
>>>> We drove from Reno to Spicer Ranch. Spicer Ranch is an amazing 
>>>> campground and the owner runs it entirely on donations. Clean bathrooms, 
>>>> hot showers, picnic tables, what else could you ask for? Please donate if 
>>>> you stay here. 
>>>>
>>>> Our plan today was to ride load-less and ease our way into the trip. We 
>>>> arrived at Spicer Ranch a little after 10am and were biking by 10:45am. 
>>>> The 
>>>> first few miles went by quickly and we passed by several old mines. There 
>>>> is endless gravel to ride out here and you could easily spend the day 
>>>> exploring mine to mine. The road is pretty tough in places, but this is 
>>>> how 
>>>> it will be the entire trip.
>>>>
>>>> The excitement of beginning our adventure (and being unloaded) had us 
>>>> riding fast. We had great views riding toward Grapevine Mountains on 
>>>> amazingly packed gravel. I would get a flat somewhere along here but 
>>>> patched it up and moved on. 
>>>>
>>>> The views would continue but the road would deteriorate into more sand 
>>>> than gravel and had us pushing on a few occasions. Ran took a spill during 
>>>> a moment of lapsed attention when his tire hit the side of a wash. Luckily 
>>>> it was a slow fa

[RBW] Re: Video: Repairing Pam Murray's Silver shifters

[John Rinker]

Great video Eric! Now I'm looking forward to my silver shifters breaking 
down so I can tinker like a pro.

Also, I dig the wooden-handled screwdrivers and your prowess with the 
technical language: 'Some other sort of dealy'. Ha! Well done!

Cheers, John

On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 2:44:17 PM UTC-8 J J wrote:

> This was good to watch — generous of you to share with the community, Eric.
> Now referencing "turducken" in a Riv-aligned video was probably a 
> firstand somehow very fitting...
> Thanks again
>
> Jim
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 11:30:10 AM UTC-5 wls...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Love your videos Eric, very relaxing.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 10:40:31 AM UTC-5 diana@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Great video! Thank you for sharing.
>>>
>>> Diana 
>>> San Francisco 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:02:33 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good Job Eric ! 
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 7:48:05 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone — Last fall Pam Murray sent me some Silver shifter levers 
>>>>> that were in need of repair. They came off her high-mileage Betty Foy 
>>>>> after 
>>>>> the springs wore out. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to Mike Godwin for sending me a broken pair of the old Suntour 
>>>>> Sprint levers, they provided the parts I needed to get Pam's shifters 
>>>>> back 
>>>>> up and running. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I made a video about the process, it's up here: 
>>>>> https://youtu.be/0g67pjAPYZk
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this is helpful to anyone looking to get their worn out or 
>>>>> broken Silver v1 or v2 shifters back into shape.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers! 
>>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Winter Riding in Alberta

[John Bokman]

Up grade is right! My family and I visited Vic last summer, and oh boy, 
there are some steep grades on that island. Didn't have my bike with me, 
but the trail system looked fantastic.

-John

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 8:20:31 AM UTC-8 penne...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, John! And thanks, Ian! I love it here on the prairie although it's 
> hard not to think that a move to Vic will be at least a slight upgrade :)
> Mack 
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 6:58:28 PM UTC-7 iwdbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I’m so disappointed that I didn’t discover these videos until today! I’ve 
>> been living in southern Alberta for 4 years and I haven’t found much 
>> content that captures what it’s like to ride around here. Great videos.
>>
>> Ian 
>> Of Toronto, in Calgary, soon to be Victoria
>> On Monday 4 March 2024 at 16:35:06 UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Fantastic vids (Summer, Autumn, Winter)! Reminds me of riding in Western 
>>> Montana. Eager to see your spring Vid!
>>>
>>> John
>>> Portland,OR
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:02:34 AM UTC-8 penne...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've updated this series with a tale of winter: 
>>>> https://youtu.be/kJDmtL1OyBk?si=4uUgYg0kLhPasb06
>>>> Happy Sunday,
>>>> Mack
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-6 Mack Penner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Stephen! Glad to hear it :)
>>>>> Mack 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 8:56:01 PM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> These are so good Mack, missed the first one back in august. Makes me 
>>>>>> want to go ride my bike.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -stephen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 7:15:22 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For those inclined to follow along, here's my "tale of fall 
>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/QHYWEnqN7s4?si=i8Ymj1yL6kf62I_v>," which in 
>>>>>>> southern alberta is now all but over, snow on the ground and still 
>>>>>>> falling, 
>>>>>>> something like -10 degrees Celsius today. If you're hardcore, you might 
>>>>>>> also consider this semi-absurd overnighter 
>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/g5Wgyit7vYs?si=2iADWpUXSwrEZw4m> I took my poor 
>>>>>>> brother on at the end of September. 
>>>>>>> Mack
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 7:20:18 PM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great looking rides. Been a while since I explored that part of the 
>>>>>>>> world. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:40:53 PM UTC-4 Andrew Letton wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Love it!  Especially the butterfly cameo!
>>>>>>>>> cheers from Oz,
>>>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 01:36:32 AM GMT+10, Mack Penner <
>>>>>>>>> penne...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi people,
>>>>>>>>> I have been on a small eric rohmer kick this year, and when I 
>>>>>>>>> started watching the tales of the four seasons it occurred to me that 
>>>>>>>>> it 
>>>>>>>>> would be fun to document a week of riding in every season. I had the 
>>>>>>>>> idea 
>>>>>>>>> in the summer, so first up is my tale of the summer. Nothin' fancy, I 
>>>>>>>>> just 
>>>>>>>>> perched my phone on my water bottle like a hundred times during my 
>>>>>>>>> daily 
>>>>>>>>> rides in the week from 14-18 August. I was gonna put it to music, but 
>>>>>>>>> then 
>>>>>>>>> I thought that if the goal is to document seasonal riding vibes the 
>>>>>>>>> sounds 
>>>>>>>>> that the season makes are important! Filmed in southern alberta on my 
>>>>>>>>> atlantis, my joe, my homer, and finally my quickbeam. 
>>>>>>>>> Vid's here <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR01_FmkQOE>. Hope 
>>>>>>>>> you find it fun!
>>>>>>>>> Enjoy the rest of August,
>>>>>>>>> Mack 
>>>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[John Dewey]

John, brakes are Ultegra. Light action, yet lots of power.

Jock

On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 3:43 PM John Bokman  wrote:

> Fantastic Jock!  What brakes are you using?
>
> -John
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:00:07 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> I clearly recall the first time I hopped on my RAM 2004.
>>
>> Epiphany!
>>
>> A few years ago I sent it off for the Joe Bell Treatment…now it’s as
>> beautiful and tasty as any bespoke two-wheeler.
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7
>>
>> Jock
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 8:24 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>
>>> I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a
>>> great pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35
>>> tires.
>>> Mike SLO CA
>>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current
>>>> models (I think those I listed are current ...?)
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Patrick -
>>>>>
>>>>> You forgot the Ram!
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Corwni
>>>>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the
>>>>>> Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. 
>>>>>> (Rivendell
>>>>>> ought to offer it!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar
>>>>>> road/roady-ish bikes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology
>>>>>>> with the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long 
>>>>>>> rides
>>>>>>> at a comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to
>>>>>>> what they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that
>>>>>>> means riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone
>>>>>>> suggest which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and
>>>>>>> comparing the descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good 
>>>>>>> choice,
>>>>>>> or possibly the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, 
>>>>>>> though I
>>>>>>> haven't heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini
>>>>>>> (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for 
>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>> I never felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right 
>>>>>>> size.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the
>>>>>>> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a 
>>>>>>> bike
>>>>>>> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer 
>>>>>>> rides.
>>>>>>> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I 
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe
>>>>>>> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
>>>>>>> riding?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of
>>>>>>> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>
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