Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[kielsun]

I thought I'd follow up on this thread since you all gave me such great 
tips during the search phase. I ended up settling on the Surly Open Bar for 
my build, mostly because I was intrigued by the width and thought it would 
be of benefit on trails. 

I took a three-day bikepacking trip in the George Washington National 
Forest just outside of Harrisonburg, VA in July, and the bars more than 
lived up to my expectations. Day one was about 30 miles on tarmac, and I 
can't say I loved them for this application. The lack of multiple hand 
positions really left me wanting. When we got to the forest roads and 
trails, though, I found them to be super comfortable and the width 
definitely helped me feel like I could throw the bike around a little bit, 
even though my front (zip-tied) Wald medium basket was nice and full. 

I'm still definitely interested in going with the Jones Bar on my next 
mtb--hopefully a complete new Surly Troll once I can pinch enough 
pennies--but the Open Bar definitely fits the bill for what I need out of a 
bar for now.

Thanks again for all the suggestions and ideas!

Bob in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: Some recent Gravel & Grind Riv builds and a last plug for our Riv and B-stone owners Bunch Ride Sunday the 14th

[kielsun]

Nice photos, John! 

Bummed I couldn't make it out to the ride yesterday, but we had just gotten 
back into town from vacation. I'll be there next year if another meetup is 
planned. 

Bob in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: Covered Bridge Metric Century, Lancaster PA 8/21

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This is coming up soon! What time do folks want to meet? 7?

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[RBW] Re: SUNRACE One-At-a-Time shifter maintenance?

[kielsun]

I use some cheapo click-but-don't-index Sunrace shifters I got from Amazon 
(https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B007QMJH86?vs=1) on my late 80s Rockhopper 
adventure/mtb. I absolutely love them and prefer them to the Shimano Ultegras 
on my Sam, which I also run in friction mode. I love the clicks! As far as 
reliability goes, it's still early on, but for $8-10 a pair, they're a decent 
bet for a non-top-of-the-line steed, and they performed well during a recent 
three day bikepacking excursion on the VA MTB Trail.

Digression aside, hope you get yours sorted out! I'm excited to try them out 
this weekend on my buddy's Clem that he bought from a list member.

Bob K. in Baltimore

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Re: [RBW] First S24O, on the C Canal

[kielsun]

Awesome! I'm hoping to get out on the C for a solo night with my 19-month old 
daughter this fall. This is great inspiration!

Bob in Baltimore

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[RBW] FS: 62cm Rivendell Simpleone $1200 shipped, and more (thinning the herd)

[kielsun]

Hi John,

I'm curious about the price on the Fat Chance. 

Thanks!

Bob in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: Covered Bridge Metric Century, Lancaster PA 8/21

[kielsun]

OK, I'm signed up. (Slight meander: I'm also hoping to do the Seagull Century 
in October if anyone's interested.)

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[RBW] Re: Covered Bridge Metric Century, Lancaster PA 8/21

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Folks,

I'd be super interested in this! I'm in Baltimore, so it's very doable. Would 
be tons of fun to ride with other Rivs.

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[kielsun]

Thanks for the link, Mike! I'm glad you swooped in after my purchase because I 
can't afford the Jones H-Bar anyway! That definitely seems like the best 
long-term option, though. I'll start pinching pennies.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[kielsun]

Ron, thanks again. I dug that picture up in an old thread when ready about the 
MAP bar. Ben, I thought about going bullmoose, but I don't think the stem would 
get the bars up high enough to match the height of my saddle. It's a bummer 
because I really like how they look.

I rode into my favorite LBS this morning to look at some handlebars in person. 
They had the VO Postino, Soma Oxford, and Jones Bend bars in stock, in addition 
to a bunch of generic riser-style bars. The Jones Bend was very, very tempting, 
but I didn't want to take the extra steps to convert to a threadless 31.8 
clamp. 

And so, I bit the bullet and ordered a Surly Open Bar with 40 mm rise. I like 
the idea of the almost Jones-like 666 mm width, and the curve and sweep is also 
pretty similar to the Jones Bend. I also like that it's cromoly and won't 
(likely) snap. I'll pair it with a dirt drop stem to start and if that doesn't 
feel right I'll give a Technomic a go. Let the experimentation begin.

Thanks again for all the great suggestions and ideas! 

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[kielsun]

Getting there, Patrick. By "splayed out" I meant that my body felt too 
elongated with the moustache bars on my Sam. Some of this splay could've 
been avoided with a dirt drop stem, though. I'm definitely curious about 
the Albastache if they're truly quite different from moustache bars. 
Earlier in this thread you said you have a moustache I could try--did you 
mean Albastache? If so, I'd be keen to give them a go. Thanks.

Bob

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 4:13:37 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Bob, sounds like you are narrowing things down a bit. Ultimately, it's all 
> an experiment, even if the trial lasts for several years with tweaks along 
> the way. Grin. I have no experience with 2 and 3, but I rode the Albatross 
> bars on my Hunqapillar for two years before swapping to Albastache. For 
> singletrack here on Pikes Peak, I have far less control in climbing and 
> technical descending with my wings spread so wide (I presume what you mean 
> when you describe the brake position of the moustache bars as "splayed 
> out"?). The Albatross bars have a fairly decent climbing position for short 
> climbs in the "sort-of-curves", but for me the wrists got uncomfortable 
> fast there. Steering on climbs was twitchy because of width. On descents, I 
> wanted my hands in the curves, but no brakes. I tried the moustache bars 
> and found them uncomfortable, but the Albastache bars, for me, are the best 
> of both worlds. Brakes where I want to be on descents, control for climbs. 
> I'd suggest you not necessarily rule out the Albastache bar (depending on 
> what "splayed out" means, because the Albatross bars are much more splayed 
> out, at least as I would describe them).
>
> Ultimately, the handlebar dilemma is muddy until you find the right one, 
> then things suddenly clear up. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 1:58:33 PM UTC-6, kielsun wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Veloman and Ron.
>>
>> Ron, I dug around and found an old post of yours about the Map bar. 
>> Definitely intriguing. I measured the top tube of my Rockhopper and it's 
>> roughly three cm longer than that of my Sam.
>>
>> So here are the final few options I'm considering. 
>>
>> 1. Albatross w/ 120 mm Technomic stem.
>> 2. Map w/ a dirt drop or short reach (60-80) Technomic.
>> 3. Surly Open Bar w/ either a dirt drop or short  reach Technomic.
>>
>> I love the Albas w/ 100 mm Technomic on my Sam, but the bar ends hit my 
>> knees on tight turns if I'm not careful. I also use the VO seat post with 
>> long setback with that setup to get a bit more stretched out. 
>> Realistically, the 120 mm stem would've solved that issue, but I had 
>> already glued the Meisha's grips. Rookie move! Might feel the need to 
>> change that someday...
>>
>> Going with the Albas and some Deore thumb shifters makes sense because 
>> it's a known quantity. I'm less apt to try something new since my budget is 
>> tight (read: non-existent!). 
>>
>> Bottom line: I just need to choose because I'd probably love any of these 
>> setups and I just want to get this bike on the trail! :)
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[kielsun]

Thanks Veloman and Ron.

Ron, I dug around and found an old post of yours about the Map bar. Definitely 
intriguing. I measured the top tube of my Rockhopper and it's roughly three cm 
longer than that of my Sam.

So here are the final few options I'm considering. 

1. Albatross w/ 120 mm Technomic stem.
2. Map w/ a dirt drop or short reach (60-80) Technomic.
3. Surly Open Bar w/ either a dirt drop or short  reach Technomic.

I love the Albas w/ 100 mm Technomic on my Sam, but the bar ends hit my knees 
on tight turns if I'm not careful. I also use the VO seat post with long 
setback with that setup to get a bit more stretched out. Realistically, the 120 
mm stem would've solved that issue, but I had already glued the Meisha's grips. 
Rookie move! Might feel the need to change that someday...

Going with the Albas and some Deore thumb shifters makes sense because it's a 
known quantity. I'm less apt to try something new since my budget is tight 
(read: non-existent!). 

Bottom line: I just need to choose because I'd probably love any of these 
setups and I just want to get this bike on the trail! :)

Bob


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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto, Sugino, Shimano, Tektro, etc.

[kielsun]

Another update here. A few things have been re-homed. I'm going to hang on 
to the dirt drop stem for now while I sort out my never-ending mountain 
bike build saga. Sorry to the interested parties for the runaround.

I'm still seeking trades for: Nitto Technomic stem (80-100 mm reach), 
V-brakes (black/grey preferably), Albatross bar, Ergon grips.

Rivstuffs:

   - Nitto Moustache Bar (pictured)--$25 *plus* actual shipping: CroMo. 
   This was on my Sam for years. Some scrapes visible at clamp area.
   - Shimano Tiagra Road Levers--$25 shipped: Fine used shape.
   
Non-Rivstuffs:

   - Tektro CR720 Canti Brakes--$40 shipped: These are *black*. Rear are 
   new, front installed and used briefly. Trade straight-up for new/near new 
   v-brakes?
   - Sugino RD2 Double Crankset 53/39--$50 shipped. Some wear. Arms are 
   mostly free of scratches.
   - Ritchey WCS threadless stem--?$?: I have no idea what this thing is 
   worth. Maybe you do? Make me an offer.

Thanks!

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[kielsun]

Folks, thanks for taking the time to respond. I appreciate all of your 
ideas and wish I had the cash to try them all! 

The Jones Loop is such a great-looking and seemingly versatile bar, so I'm 
considering a threadless stem adapter, like the VO one, and going that 
route, especially since I know I'd probably love them on my future Troll or 
similar mtb. Hugh--I don't think I'd go so far as to get another fork for 
this bike since it's just a stop-gap, but we'll see.

The Surly Open Bar also looks very promising and comfortable, and I 
wouldn't have any trouble getting it high enough.

Patrick--I tried some moustache bars with a dirt drop stem and I didn't 
like them for the same reason I took them off my Sam: I don't like the 
positioning of the brakes. I feel too splayed out. It's weird, though, 
because I figured they'd be more comfortable on a smaller bike. I guess 
they're just not for me.

RJM and Chris--I have a flat bar lying around and might be able to scrounge 
up a standard mtb bar. I'll give them a shot.

Robert--That trekking bar is really cool. I don't think I'd like to have to 
reach for the brakes/shifters past the end of the stem, though. I think I 
want some sweep.

Thanks again, all.

Bob

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[RBW] Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[kielsun]

I hesitated posting this here, but it's definitely a Riv-inspired conundrum. 
I'm building up a late 80s Rockhopper and having trouble finding the right 
handlebar setup. It will primarily be a trail and off-road camping bike with 
knobbies. I have my Sam for road riding and don't want much overlap between the 
two.

The frame is borderline too small for me. It's an 18" and I would probably 
benefit from a 19-19.5", but it should work fine once it's dialed, and it's 
also just a stop-gap until I can save up for a Surly Troll frameset or 
something similar. 

Riv Content: I want it to be comfortable (but still nimble)--bars at saddle 
height!

I've considered going with a standard Technomic and Albas, dirt drop with 
straight-ish/mountain riser bars like the Soma Clarence, or even trying a 
threadless conversion stem with drop-style bars. I have cockpit parts for any 
setup: MTB levers and Deore thumb shifters and aero levers and Ultegra 
bar-ends. 

I've already tried a dirt drop stem with moustache bars. This created too much 
reach because of the bar profile and the non-relaxed geometry of the bike. 
Anything that I should consider that I'm missing?

I welcome any and all advice based on previous builds or experience. I'm pretty 
new at working on bikes, so you won't offend me with newbie advice. Thanks for 
your help!

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[kielsun]

I've only spent about five minutes on a 60 Cheviot, so take this for FWIW, but 
I did so immediately after finishing a ride on my 56 Sam. The Cheviot felt 
super stable (in a good way), almost like I was an alligator and could feel my 
tail trailing predictably behind me as I turned--a weird analogy, but it's what 
I've got. I really enjoyed it, so much so that I momentarily contemplated a Sam 
sale to partially fund one. :)

My buddy who owns the Cheviot also raves about its character in ascending and 
descending hills. He says he finds it much more stable in steep sections, like 
its firmly planted on the ground without any fear of the front wheel popping 
up. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto, Sugino, Shimano, Tektro, etc.

[kielsun]

Here's an update on what's still available. I have a couple offers on the 
DD, but am hoping for some more trade offers, as well. See above for what 
I'm in search of. Already acquired Nitto shim. Thanks!

Rivstuffs:

   - Nitto Dirt Drop Stem--$45/shipped: Unsure of size (see picture), a few 
   scuffs, solid condition overall.
   - Nitto Moustache Bar (pictured)--$25 *plus* actual shipping: CroMo. 
   This was on my Sam for years. Some scrapes visible at clamp area.
   - Nitto Moustache Bar (*not* pictured)--$10 *plus* actual shipping: 
   CroMo. I inherited this years back. Plenty of scrapes to cover with bar 
   tape. Works fine!
   - Shimano Tiagra Road Levers--$25 shipped: Fine used shape.

Non-Rivstuffs:

   - Tektro CR720 Canti Brakes--$40 shipped: These are *black*. Rear are 
   new, front installed and used briefly. Would prefer straight-up trade for 
   v-brakes.
   - Sugino RD2 Double Crankset 53/39--$60 shipped or would prefer to trade 
   for a mountain double: Some wear. Arms are mostly free of scratches.
   - Ritchey WCS threadless stem--?$?: I have no idea what this thing is 
   worth. Maybe you do? Make me an offer.

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[RBW] Re: Do you switch from drop bike to Bosco/Alba bike on the fly?

[kielsun]

With this thread in mind, I dropped the stem/Alba bar height on my Sam today 
pretty significantly to see how they'd feel with the grips at saddle height and 
stem below. Made a huge difference on climbs and felt much more aggressive 
while still super comfortable. No chance I'll be switching them out or 
splitting the cables for a different cockpit anytime soon. Thanks for the 
inspiration to tweak things a bit!

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[kielsun]

I agree with Bill here on all counts:

1. Personal preference for/against zip ties is what it is--personal. 
2. The possibility of more than one zip tie failing at a time is extremely 
unlikely, therefore making the safety argument more or less null and void. 
Aesthetics is the root here.

And so, I'll add something else to this perhaps already overwrought 
conversation:

How often do you (or would you) actually lay eyes on the zip ties (rhyme 
intended)? If they're visible it means the basket isn't being used much, 
which in turn could mean that the basket might not be necessary at all. I 
should probably cut (zip) ties and throw my basket in the closet this 
afternoon--but then again, the need for a basket isn't always easy 
foreseeable, so utility trumps efficiency for me.

Bob

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 6:18:33 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> There's nothing wrong with feeling that way.  No doubt there are plenty of 
> people who think putting a $20 Wald Basket on a $200 Nitto Rack that's 
> mounted on a $3000 Rivendell bicycle is similarly 'trashing it out'.  Trash 
> is in the eye of the beholder.  
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 2:55:26 PM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:
>>
>> LOL, thanks for having my back there Steve! It really matters little what 
>> the zip ties actually cost, if they were gold plated they would still look 
>> bogged together. And my comments are not focused on any particular 
>> individual, just everyone out there on the interwebs. JMHO, but if I am 
>> riding a ratty old Schwinn or whatever,  then zip tie away! But, I paid a 
>> considerable amount of coin on a brand new Rivendell,  I can't bring myself 
>> to trash it out with zip ties, I prefer something a little more elegant. 
>>  My solution although labor intensive was only marginally more expensive 
>> because I used Stainless steel hardware,  if I'd have used inexpensive 
>> galvanized hardware it would not have cost me much different than 8 zip 
>> ties & it looks so much better. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Do you switch from drop bike to Bosco/Alba bike on the fly?

[kielsun]

Lungimsam said:

So maybe I could use cable splitters, remove my Sam drops/brake levers/stem 
> all in one piece, leave the saddle position untouched, and just swap out 
> the cockpits in an emergency. The bar ends shifters can just drop out of 
> the Bosco bar ends and go right into the Noodle bar's drop ends. Just have 
> to size the housings for the Bosco's.
>

I'm very curious about this with my Sam. It's my only road-ish bike and 
currently sports an upright setup: Albatross bars w/ bar ends. I'm planning 
to do my first century this fall. When someone asked the list a couple of 
months ago about doing a century with Albas, pretty much everyone responded 
with a resounding "Go for it!" or "Why wouldn't you?" I don't have 
experience riding for a full day, but I'd imagine that Albas would be as 
comfortable for eight hours as they are for 2-4. Hmm, maybe I just talked 
myself out of the whole thing. 

Regardless, my query for those more knowledgeable than I stands as:

Are cable splitters a solid option if I'd like to be able to change the 
full cockpit to something a bit more aggressive for longer and/or hillier 
rides? Is there any downside to using them--ie braking or shifting would be 
compromised or somehow less reliable? Thanks for any thoughts on this, and 
I hope this isn't too much of a drift from the OP.

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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

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You could also get a truck bed bike rack if you think you'll be transporting it 
in the bed somewhat frequently.

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Re: [RBW] WTT: Nitto r-14 for Pannier-compatible rear rack

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Found a trade. Thanks!

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[RBW] WTT: Nitto r-14 for Pannier-compatible rear rack

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Hi Folks,

The subject line pretty much says it all. I'm looking to trade my Nitto 
r-14 for a pannier-compatible rear rack. I recently bought a silver Tubus 
Tara for the front, and my Nitto mini is silver, so it would only be right 
if the new rack is silver(ish), too. I am willing to throw a bit of cash 
toward a trade for the right rack, and I'm open to selling the r-14 and/or 
buying your neglected rear rack outright. 

In terms of trades, a few that have caught my eye that I *think *would play 
nice with my Sam are:

-Tubus Cosmo
-Tubus Fly (But not sure about tire clearance--anyone have experience?)
-Nitto Mt. Campee
-Nitto r-15

Please reply with any offers off-list if possible, or post your e-mail here 
and I'll get back to you ASAP. Thanks!

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Slightly OT; WTB BURLEY PICCOLO

[kielsun]

Nice! I can't wait to ride with my daughter on a tandem or Piccolo-style 
bike. Have fun this summer!

On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 4:16:17 PM UTC-4, EGNolan wrote:
>
> Thanks All! John it is amazing, The tandem is fun on it's own, but since 
> the Piccolo doesn't really add much resistance (at least in the flatlands) 
> it nearly doubles the FUN. I think we're good now, at least for a while.
>
> Best,
> Eric
>
> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 9:25:28 PM UTC-4, JohnS wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing Eric, everyone looks really happy. Isn't it amazing 
>> how stable the ride is? I never had any issues when I had my tandem and 
>> piccolo set up for my two sons. 
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] OT WTB: Chariot Cougar 1

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My apologies for the slightly off-topic WTB!

If any of you all have a Chariot Cougar 1 trailer that your kids (or 
family) have outgrown and that you'd like to unload, please let me know. I 
have a line on one locally, but the price isn't quite right, so I thought 
I'd ask here. Please reply off list with any offers. 

Thanks!

Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Islabikes?

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My Sam would change for me because part of what I love about it are the 
underlying philosophy and ideas. The unparalleled ride is number one, but the 
other stuff matters, too.

To give a non-bike-related metaphor: a few years back I got the chance to play 
a couple of shows with one of my favorite musicians/songwriters. He was a jerk 
with women and was generally not a nice guy. Did his songs about love and 
humanity and tenderness and mean as much to me afterwards? Hardly--I never 
listen to his music anymore.

So the fact that the OP's views of Islabikes changed when she found out about 
this other side of their corporate identity makes total sense to me. And again, 
it makes even better sense to me that the idea of CF kids' bikes falls flatter 
than flat to most listers.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Islabikes?

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I'm zero percent surprised that CF kids' bikes don't get a warm welcome on this 
list. We gather here because of our love for or interest in Rivendell 
Bicycles--lugged steel frames for everyday use that are intended to grow in 
beauty through usage. CF bikes in general are the opposite of that. Whether or 
not that statement stems from drinking Riv-Koolaid doesn't matter to me in the 
least. 

How would we all feel if Grant's next Blug post was all about the brand-new, 
CF-forked, super lightweight pro line of Rivendells? I'd probably be pretty 
bummed and my Sam would lose a bit of its luster. Seems like the OP's reaction 
is pretty similar. The company marketed itself one way and is now doing 
something quite different.

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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[kielsun]

Tim,

You can get silver Tubus racks from the German online stores. I just ordered a 
Tubus Tara from Bike24.

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Squeaky bb needs to change?

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Thanks for starting this thread. It was the motivation I needed to deal with my 
squeaky bb. Snagged a replacement from my favorite LBS this afternoon.

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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

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I never used bar end shifters before my Sam, and I absolutely love them. 
Started out indexing, but I'm now friction-only. IME, there's a 
night-and-day difference between the convenience of bar ends vs. DT 
shifters--not even in the same ballpark. I've never used brifters, but they 
aren't nearly as clean as bar ends to these biased eyes.

Bob

On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 1:38:10 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> If you are going to be bar end friction shifting I recommend 7- or 8- 
> speed cassettes. Less autoshifting.
>
> I run 7-speed cassettes on both my Rivendells.
>
> I went from brifters to bar ends and I loved bar ends at first shift. For 
> some reason I find them more fun to use than brifters.
> Perhaps it is also the freedom of not having to be tied into a gruppo 
> drivetrain as bar end friction shifting will shift across any 
> cogsets/chainrings.
>
> Also, you dont have to set the cable tension up "just so" like you do with 
> brifting setups.
>
> Just feels free-er to me. More fun.
>
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Re: [RBW] Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

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Thanks for the tip, Jack B. Kainalu, you're probably right that I might as 
well buy the ones that I actually like even if it'll cost me a few extra 
bucks. I found the Ortlieb Sport Packer Plus panniers (same material as 
those mentioned above but with a lid of sorts) for about $150, and these 
provide a few extra L of space compared to the front rollers. 

I'm also looking at Carrdice Kendal panniers (or the Super C, although 
they're not as fashionable). I like the extra pockets, and the Kendal set 
is more attractive than any of the Ortlieb models. Anyone have experience 
with those? 

Thanks again for answering all of my rookie questions and queries.

Bob

On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 12:21:38 AM UTC-4, Jack B wrote:
>
> I have some black back rollers, and they're good, but I hate trying to 
> find anything lost in the bag. I they make a lighter interior color, then 
> definitely consider it!
>
> More than once I've strewn a pile of pannier stuff on the sidewalk looking 
> for my keys or light. So dark in there!
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Re: [RBW] Ride report about a 400K on an A.Homer Hilsen

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Well done! Sounds like an amazing experience.

On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 1:17:28 AM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> It most definitely feels good to be alive!
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:27 PM, Iron Rider <100...@gmail.com 
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>
>> For those who may be interested:
>>
>>
>> http://eprider.blogspot.com/2016/05/spirited-rides-or-revisting-hierarchy.html
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Re: [RBW] Spring in CA

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Really cool! Beautiful pictures.

I have a 17-month old and am planning to head out for a couple of weekends this 
summer. What's the front seat you used? Any other tips? Feel free to PM. Don't 
want to hijack. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

[kielsun]

Thanks, Doug. I ordered a Tubus Tara and the mid-fork kit a few hours ago 
from Bike24 in Germany--I wanted a silver version to match my rear rack and 
I guess they can't be had stateside. Pretty great prices, too, even with 
shipping. 

I'm still up on the air about which panniers (and openly soliciting 
offers), although I'm leaning heavily toward some of the Ortlieb Front 
Rollers. Any advice thereon is appreciated!

Bob

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 7:26:32 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>
> I have a Duo that shares the upper fork eyelets with a small Nitro bag 
> rack. The lower rack mount is a p-clamp, and the rack isn't level. This 
> gets the panniers up for ground clearance off-road. Functional but not 
> elegant.
>
> If clearance isn't an issue, go with Tara & Tubus mid-fork kit. Another 
> endorsement for Wayne at the Touring Store. Good guy with good stuff at 
> good prices.
>
> Doug p
>
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Re: [RBW] Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

[kielsun]

Still hoping for some more offers on panniers and front racks! 

Bill, et al--You can *just barely* make out the eyelets on the front fork 
in the second picture here: https://goo.gl/photos/NFB2MPCKR3ZdKK796

Also, if I understand the older thread about the Tubus Tara correctly, the 
upper eyelets don't actually allow it to be mounted level, so it'd be 
necessary to buy the mid-fork eyelets that Tubus sells for this very 
purpose if I go that route.

Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

[kielsun]

Thanks, Patrick. That's what the older thread said, as well. 

David, no thread drift apology necessary. I was wondering the same thing in 
reference to my 47 Schwalbes, which I'd run if the weather allowed me to 
leave fenders at home...

What about panniers? What's the best value/quality combination?

Bob

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 11:48:53 AM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Slight thread drift, apologies, but since Tubus lowriders were brought up 
> - what's the max tire size that generally fits the Tara? Trying to figure 
> out if the normal Tara or the Big Apple would be necessary. I'm running 
> 700c Thunder Burts (about 51mm I think on narrow-ish rims).
> Thanks,
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 10:35:05 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Tubus offers excellent, threaded aluminum clamps for lowrider racks; 
>> these are head, shoulders, and knees above P clamps.
>>
>> Wayne at TheTouringStoredotcom has very good prices on Tubus and Ortlieb, 
>> among other marques, and all associated kit, and is very easy to work with.
>>
>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 9:12 AM, kielsun <bob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Zach. I read that older thread about the Hillborne-Tara 
>>> conundrum. Sounds like p-clamps or the adapters sold a few places are the 
>>> answer. I'll send you an e-mail right now.
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 11:03:10 AM UTC-4, Zach Duval wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've got a Tubus Tara I haven't been using as well as a pair of Seattle 
>>>> Sports waterproof pannier in blue. I would probably be willing to part 
>>>> with 
>>>> both. 
>>>>
>>>> The Tara does require a hack to work on the Hillsborne's not quote low 
>>>> enough mid-fork mounts. Others here could probably advise a few solutions, 
>>>> and I believe a thread is floating around somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Feel free to email me at zrd...@hotmail.com, and I'll pull said 
>>>> rack/panniers from storage.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 8:36:13 AM UTC-6, kielsun wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am looking for advice on (and I WTB) front lowrider racks for my 
>>>>> canti Hillborne. I am mostly interested in lowrider racks like the Tubus 
>>>>> Tara or Duo. Riv's HAR is nice, as are the Nitto Campee and Big Front 
>>>>> Rack, 
>>>>> but they're probably too pricey for me, even used, unless you're feeling 
>>>>> super generous! 
>>>>>
>>>>> I also WTB waterproof panniers. I'm open to anything that'll look 
>>>>> not-too-horrible with my orange Sam.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please reply off-list with any for sale offers.
>>>>>
>>>>> And please reply on-list with any advice. I'll take it all. Although I 
>>>>> have owned my Sam since '09, I have zero experience touring or running 
>>>>> lowriders w/ panniers. Are there any other cheaper alternatives I should 
>>>>> consider aside from those listed above? My rear rack is a Nitto R-14, and 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> have a Nitto mini-front that I could use, too, if it works in concert 
>>>>> with 
>>>>> lowriders.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any help!
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob 
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[RBW] Re: Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

[kielsun]

Thanks, Zach. I read that older thread about the Hillborne-Tara conundrum. 
Sounds like p-clamps or the adapters sold a few places are the answer. I'll 
send you an e-mail right now.

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 11:03:10 AM UTC-4, Zach Duval wrote:
>
> I've got a Tubus Tara I haven't been using as well as a pair of Seattle 
> Sports waterproof pannier in blue. I would probably be willing to part with 
> both. 
>
> The Tara does require a hack to work on the Hillsborne's not quote low 
> enough mid-fork mounts. Others here could probably advise a few solutions, 
> and I believe a thread is floating around somewhere.
>
> Feel free to email me at zrd...@hotmail.com , and I'll pull 
> said rack/panniers from storage.
>
> On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 8:36:13 AM UTC-6, kielsun wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I am looking for advice on (and I WTB) front lowrider racks for my canti 
>> Hillborne. I am mostly interested in lowrider racks like the Tubus Tara or 
>> Duo. Riv's HAR is nice, as are the Nitto Campee and Big Front Rack, but 
>> they're probably too pricey for me, even used, unless you're feeling super 
>> generous! 
>>
>> I also WTB waterproof panniers. I'm open to anything that'll look 
>> not-too-horrible with my orange Sam.
>>
>> Please reply off-list with any for sale offers.
>>
>> And please reply on-list with any advice. I'll take it all. Although I 
>> have owned my Sam since '09, I have zero experience touring or running 
>> lowriders w/ panniers. Are there any other cheaper alternatives I should 
>> consider aside from those listed above? My rear rack is a Nitto R-14, and I 
>> have a Nitto mini-front that I could use, too, if it works in concert with 
>> lowriders.
>>
>> Thanks for any help!
>>
>> Bob 
>>
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[RBW] Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

[kielsun]

Hi Folks,

I am looking for advice on (and I WTB) front lowrider racks for my canti 
Hillborne. I am mostly interested in lowrider racks like the Tubus Tara or 
Duo. Riv's HAR is nice, as are the Nitto Campee and Big Front Rack, but 
they're probably too pricey for me, even used, unless you're feeling super 
generous! 

I also WTB waterproof panniers. I'm open to anything that'll look 
not-too-horrible with my orange Sam.

Please reply off-list with any for sale offers.

And please reply on-list with any advice. I'll take it all. Although I have 
owned my Sam since '09, I have zero experience touring or running lowriders 
w/ panniers. Are there any other cheaper alternatives I should consider 
aside from those listed above? My rear rack is a Nitto R-14, and I have a 
Nitto mini-front that I could use, too, if it works in concert with 
lowriders.

Thanks for any help!

Bob 

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report & Musings on Bicycling as Joy

[kielsun]

Great replies, folks. Love the funometer and bug quotient, and I'm glad to 
hear I'm not alone in losing my joy for a little while. 

Eric, I'm a couple of shifters and derailleur cables from putting the 
finishing touches on a buildup of a free Rockhopper frame I scored off 
Baltimore CL. I live about two miles from Robert E. Lee Park, and I'll be 
sure to hit the trails over there for you!

Also, great to make some Baltimore-area connections. It'd be fun to get 
together for a ride one day.

Bob

On Saturday, May 21, 2016 at 5:20:45 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Great story! And one that I definitely related to.
>
>
> I had a similar experience during my days bike commuting in Baltimore. I 
> now live in Philadelphia and once again commute by bike (on a mid-eighties 
> Trek single-speed conversion no less!). I think it’s hard not to view city 
> commuting as utility. The concentration and defensiveness required to 
> contend with a never-ending mass of cars, cabs, and (especially) buses 
> makes riding work—and hard work at that. This was especially apparent when 
> the Pope visited Philadelphia in the fall and all cars were banned from 
> Center City. My city rides (even the ones to work) instantly became fun 
> again! No dodging wall-to-wall cars on Chestnut Street (with 25% of them 
> blaring their horns); no moving out of the way of 10-ton buses speeding 
> though yellow lights; and all the pedestrians were suddenly friendly and 
> talkative. It was wild!
>
>
> Of course, that was an isolated incident and we obviously need some 
> motorized vehicles even in downtown areas. And all things considered Center 
> City Philadelphia is better as a bike commuter city than Baltimore was when 
> I lived there. And it gets better every year–as more bike lanes are built, 
> bike share programs proliferate, and urban drivers become more accustomed 
> to more riders on the streets. But I still need to temper my commuting with 
> evening or weekend rides out of the city and out of traffic—often with a 
> brewery or scenic overlook as only a loose destination.
>
>
> On a somewhat related note, I grew up in Rodgers Forge (a neighborhood on 
> the north edge of Baltimore for non-Baltimoreans). When I was twelve, my 
> best friend and I both scrounged together our various paltry savings to buy 
> identical (except for size) 1993 metallic gray Rockhoppers. Man, were they 
> beauties! Our younger brothers soon followed. The four of us spent nearly 
> every weekend (and most of the summers) for two years exploring the trails 
> in and around Robert E. Lee Park. Sometimes the rides would be only a half 
> hour and then we’d head off to the pool or the Royal Farms store. Often 
> we’d spend most of the afternoon out there. There was always something new 
> to explore and rarely a plan. Sometimes we’d power up that steep, rocky 
> incline with the old couch at the top. Sometimes we’d walk it. And the only 
> speed or time-related consideration was that we had to make it home for 
> dinner by 5:30.
>
>
> It’s what the best rides on my Rivendell always remind me off! 
>
>
> Eric
>
> On Friday, May 20, 2016 at 3:49:11 PM UTC-4, kielsun wrote:
>>
>> Here's a rather lengthy "ride report" from my ride with co-workers for 
>> National Bike to Work Day. It's really more a reflection on how my reasons 
>> for biking have changed over the years. Please feel free to respond with 
>> similar reflections of your own.
>>
>> - - - - - - - - - -
>>
>> I lived in Baltimore City for about a decade, and for several of those 
>> years, I was a bike commuter. My steed, a rattle-can-brown early 80s Trek 
>> single-speed conversion, was light and fast. I ran 23mm Gatorskins pumped 
>> to 100 psi. I darted between cars and blew through lights. I rode without a 
>> helmet. I did everything that I wouldn't dream of doing now and I didn’t 
>> think twice about it. I just needed to get to work, and I was often late, 
>> so I needed to get there as quickly as possible.
>>
>> A few years into my decade in the City, I bought a car, a faded gold '97 
>> Corolla that had been through the ringer. I handed my friend Amy a crisp $1 
>> bill and she handed me the title. (That was the second $1 car I'd bought in 
>> my life, the first being an '83 Civic, "Norm," that I bought off a college 
>> roommate.  A couple years later, the Glendora CA Police Department towed it 
>> while I was out of the country and I never saw it again. But that's another 
>> story.)
>>
>> Once I had the car, my bike commuting days slowly came to an end. I gave 
>> every excuse in the world as to why I stopped riding to work, but they 
>> didn’t really add up

[RBW] Ride Report & Musings on Bicycling as Joy

[kielsun]

Here's a rather lengthy "ride report" from my ride with co-workers for 
National Bike to Work Day. It's really more a reflection on how my reasons 
for biking have changed over the years. Please feel free to respond with 
similar reflections of your own.

- - - - - - - - - -

I lived in Baltimore City for about a decade, and for several of those 
years, I was a bike commuter. My steed, a rattle-can-brown early 80s Trek 
single-speed conversion, was light and fast. I ran 23mm Gatorskins pumped 
to 100 psi. I darted between cars and blew through lights. I rode without a 
helmet. I did everything that I wouldn't dream of doing now and I didn’t 
think twice about it. I just needed to get to work, and I was often late, 
so I needed to get there as quickly as possible.

A few years into my decade in the City, I bought a car, a faded gold '97 
Corolla that had been through the ringer. I handed my friend Amy a crisp $1 
bill and she handed me the title. (That was the second $1 car I'd bought in 
my life, the first being an '83 Civic, "Norm," that I bought off a college 
roommate.  A couple years later, the Glendora CA Police Department towed it 
while I was out of the country and I never saw it again. But that's another 
story.)

Once I had the car, my bike commuting days slowly came to an end. I gave 
every excuse in the world as to why I stopped riding to work, but they 
didn’t really add up to much beyond indifference. And that indifference, 
I've realized, stemmed from the fact that biking had become a strictly 
point-a-to-point-b venture. It was all utility and no joy--which is 
particularly sad because of how joyfully my biking life began: 
destinationless, meandering rides through the South Dakota countryside, all 
gravel roads, one hand on the handlebar and the other clutching a fishing 
rod or BB gun. 

So I guess the point of all this is that I went on a bike ride this 
morning, and it was fun. I met my co-workers at a quarter past six. We rode 
five winding miles through suburban neighborhoods, down roads I'd never 
traveled, walked our bikes through holes in fences at the end of dead end 
streets, avoided traffic at all costs. Our destination was the Towson pit 
stop for National Bike to Work Day. 

During my bike commuting days, self-righteousness stirred from deep within 
anytime I caught wind of this annual tradition. Co-workers would go out of 
their way to tell me, the only biker guy they knew, that they were planning 
to ride. They'd brush the dust off of their hybrids and mountain bikes and 
squirt some WD-40 on the chains. On the day of, they'd text pictures of the 
commute, and they'd stop by my classroom to see if I'd gotten their 
messages. Some years, I'd even go out of my way to take the bus on that 
day, imagining that it was some sort of a statement. In my youth, 
everything had to be exclusively mine.

But today, I didn’t think about any of that. My Sam felt better than ever. 
My co-workers and I smiled and laughed and talked, mostly about past bike 
rides, and we made plans for future rides, too--adventures we’ll go on 
together. And while I’ve been joyfully riding my bike again now for years, 
today I bid official farewell to the jaded rider of my early 20s, the one 
who didn’t remember how much joy could come from hopping on a bicycle with 
one goal, to just ride.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Bar end shifters

[kielsun]

Thanks for the offers, folks! I'm all set.

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[RBW] Re: Let's see your sage Sams

[kielsun]

I have an orange Sam and the original bar tape was a sort of sage-turquoise 
color--it looked great. I'm imagining orange tape, possibly with amber 
shellac, or the burnt orange with clear, would look fantastic on your bike. 
Maroon with clear would look cool, too, possibly with some grey mixed in 
for good measure.

Congrats on the new-to-you steed!

Bob


On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:23:29 PM UTC-4, Jack B wrote:
>
> I've bought a sage Sam from another RBW list member... Woohoo!
>
> So of course I'm daydreaming about how to build it up while I await 
> shipping For now it will be a drop-bar Sam.
>
> Would love to see what color bar tape folks have used on these. I'm sure 
> it would look great with the gold/amber color I've used before, but 
> wondering what else folks have done. Anyone care to share links to their 
> Sage Sammy pics?
>
> cheers,
> Jack
> Portland, OR
>

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[RBW] WTB: Bar end shifters

[kielsun]

Hey all--

Looking for some bar end shifters for a Riv-ish mountain bike project. If 
you have any lying around that you'd like to sell, please let me know.

Thanks a lot!

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[kielsun]

In my non-expert personal experience, Tange headsets last for a very long 
time. Five years for an improperly installed $30 headset is pretty damn 
good. Get a new one installed properly and you'll get plenty more.

Bob 

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 12:06:26 AM UTC-4, Sean on Bike wrote:
>
> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>
> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 Cane 
> Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as they 
> all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle bearing 
> Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>
> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>
> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My (f)Atlantis in the new Bunyan Velo

[kielsun]

This is a beautiful publication and your piece was really interesting. 
Thanks for sharing!

On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 4:58:45 PM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Hello friends,
>
> Just wanted to share that I've got an article in the new Bunyan Velo 
> magazine, sort of an 'introduction to winter s24o-ing'. 
>
> You can read it online for free here:
>
> https://issuu.com/bunyanvelo/docs/bunyan-velo-issue-06
>
> Sort of funny timing given that it's spring and I got my first sunburn 
> yesterday while riding home on a hot s24o in shorts and a t-shirt, but 
> that's how it goes!
>
> Hope you enjoy, and please share with your friends. This is a small 
> operation, almost entirely volunteer-driven. 
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Dirt Drop 26.0 80mm Stem

[kielsun]

Thanks, Chad. After posting I went to my LBS to grab a few things and one of 
the mechanics had one to sell. They are funny looking stems, but they sure get 
the bars up high.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Dirt Drop 26.0 80mm Stem

[kielsun]

I figured I would jump on this thread rather than start a new one:

I'm looking for a used Nitto Dirt Drop stem, 80 or 100mm with 26.0 clamp, 
for a Riv/BOB-ish mountain bike project I'm working on. 

Thanks!

Bob

On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 7:36:23 PM UTC-5, Chad wrote:
>
> Have you found the stem yet?  I've got one to sell!  PM if you want more 
> info.

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[RBW] Re: Maryland area supported Century rides and also unsupported Brevets this spring, summer and fall 2016.

[kielsun]

I'm in the Baltimore area and would definitely like to connect with some 
folks who are on the "just ride" side of things this summer. I stopped by 
Gravel and Grind a couple of weeks back to snag parts for a new Albatross 
cockpit on my Sam, and the guy helping me really went above and beyond in 
terms of suggesting rides, etc. He also mentioned that they have a profile 
on ridewithgps.com. Their user account is gravelandgrind, if I'm not 
mistaken, and there are several fun-looking routes posted on there. They 
also do group rides on many Sunday afternoons, and I'm hoping to join them 
one of these weeks.


On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 6:53:46 AM UTC-4, Alan Pickett wrote:
>
> Hey - BIG thanks for posting this. 
>
> We usually use a fall century as a little motivation to get out and enjoy 
> some long rides in the summer, and this comes right on time. 
>
> I'm also looking forward to visiting Gravel and Grind to get more info on 
> the owner's personal favorite unpaved rides in the Frederick area. 
>
> Last year we used the Amish Country Bike Ride as our carrot, and frankly, 
> I found it a bit boring - super flat and mind numbing. I think I may reach 
> a point - just personally - of diminishing returns with rides over 60-70 
> miles, whereby the whole enterprise becomes more of a grind than a 
> pleasure. I have never done any touring, but I've been thinking about 
> trying a long weekend ride from Bethesda to, say, Harper's Ferry, with a 
> full tilt "just ride" philosophy - kick back, enjoy the effort when it is 
> called for, but no "heroic" grasp at bagging a 100 miles in one swoop!
>
> I'll check these sites out now. Thanks again!
> Alan in Silver Spring.
>
> On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 11:28:35 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> Just in case anyone is looking for some in our area.
>>
>> Patuxent River Ride June 11 (metric) http://www.ohbike.org/
>>
>> Tour dem Parks, Hon June 12 (only 30 some miles thru Baltimore parks and 
>> streets, but thought I'd include it here) https://tourdemparks.org/
>>
>> Bay to Bay Century June 26 (English) 
>> https://www.active.com/betterton-md/cycling/races/bay-to-bay-ride-2016
>>
>> Firefighter 50 Ride - 7/24 (English) http://www.firefighter50.com/
>>
>> Lancaster Bike Club Covered Bridges 100k 8/21 (metric) 
>> http://franklincountycyclists.org/non-fcc-events/2016/8/21/lancaster-covered-bridge-metric-century
>>
>> Indian Head 100 Sept. 5 (English) http://www.ohbike.org/
>>
>> Anne Arundel Lifeline Century 100 - 10/16 (English) 
>> https://bikeaaa.org/lifeline-100/
>>
>> Seagull Century http://www.seagullcentury.org/
>>
>> Six Pillars Century http://www.6pillarscentury.org/
>>
>> Civil War Century http://www.civilwarcentury.com/
>>
>>
>> DC Randonneurs Calendar here: http://www.dcrand.org/dcr/calendar.php
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gardian article about the changes in cycling culture...

[kielsun]

In the opening paragraphs of the article, he states: 

"Cycling in the UK has changed massively in the past few years. Mostly for 
the better. Cycling as a mode of transport has really taken off in 
London...The infrastructure is improving beyond recognition. It’s 
incredible to see that cycling has become a normal, unquestioned part of so 
many people’s lives."

Then, he spends the rest of the article talking about the other changes in 
cycling that are *not *"mostly for the better"--the competition, interest 
in racing, et cetera. It seems like an editorial issue to me--a lack of 
cohesiveness in the message and stance of his article--rather than him 
saying cycling is all *bad *now, and that it used to be *good*.

BK
Baltimore


On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 10:26:39 AM UTC-4, Addison wrote:
>
> It's funny, I saw that article a few days ago and it feels displaced in 
> time in my experience.  I know that side of the "sport" exists but it feels 
> more appropriate for an article written 10 years ago.  Today it feels like 
> biking has grown more multi-faceted as far as types of riding and bikes.  
> Maybe more accepting of people who want to ride whatever for commuting, 
> road biking with a bit of dirt thrown in, etc.  I know some of these facets 
> of the industry are just marketing ploys but a byproduct of them seems to 
> be an opening of eyes regarding multi-dimensional approaches to riding.
>
> Just my perspective...
>
>
> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
>
> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 
>  
>
> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>
> Educator: Professional Portfolio 
>
> Blogger: Reno Rambler  
>
> Vice Chair: Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian 
> Advisory Committee 
> 
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 5:36 AM, Garth  
> wrote:
>
>>
>> It's just a personal opinion, nothing more.   
>>
>>   Cycling to me is just like surfing.  The ocean and waves is the ground 
>> and the wind is everywhere    it's pure adventure .  I ride just like 
>> I'm surfing . . . . there's reefs and fishes and plants and endless 
>> adventure.   Even if one wants to make it a production, regimented and 
>> timed and conditioned to the max  that's simply another sense of 
>> adventure .  There is nothing wrong or right about it.  Life is the 
>> adventure and nothing can ever change that.  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[kielsun]

I don't think my Sam would generally beat a carbon frame rb in a flat out 
race, but it's going to last for a really long time, and I love riding it. 
Lots of people have never seen anything like it, and I enjoy explaining the 
reasons why it's the right bike for me. If dude likes his bike and seems to 
be having a good ol' time on the ride, good for him. To each his own. I 
hope his bike makes him as happy as mine does me.

The real issue seems to be his smug attitude, and unfortunately, offering 
unsolicited advice in return won't solve much of anything. I love the idea 
of offering to swap for a while. I'm definitely giving this a shot if ever 
in the situation!

BK

On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 11:37:21 AM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> First of all, I’ve never heard anything but complimentary comments about 
> any of my Rivs.
>
> Second, I think that responding to criticism of my bike by criticizing the 
> other guy’s bike is not an appropriate response. After all, do you really 
> care what this other guy thinks about your bike? 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.campyonly.com
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>
> On Apr 19, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Geir Bentzen  > wrote:
>
> I think the best response is this...
>  
> Hey (carbon-guy) would you like to swap for an hour? 
>
> Because we know (WE KNOW) that Rivs plus 30-40 mm tires beat everything 
> out there for speed and comfort. Those carbon frames with 24 mm tires suck.
>  
>
>
>

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[RBW] Springtime Sam

[kielsun]

Hi All--

New member here. Thought I'd share a few reflections and a couple of 
pictures from my ride yesterday in northern Baltimore County, MD.

After moving to Baltimore City from Los Angeles in the summer of 2005, I 
quickly adopted Prettyboy Reservoir, which provides water to the City but 
is located about 40 minutes north, as my place to find peace and solitude. 
The surrounding land, roughly 200 square kilometers, is protected from 
development and littered with trails and fire roads that lead to the water. 
Over the years, I've explored the area almost obsessively, and although 
it's technically illegal, I may have dipped a toe into the water once or 
twice. I tend to do more hiking than biking, so I haven't explored the 
trails too much on my Sam, but I'm planning a ride that will cover fire 
trails, some easy single track, and roads. Hoping to give it a go in the 
next few weeks.

I was joined on yesterday's ride by my wife, our 16-month old daughter, and 
a friend. My Sam performed as I've come to expect--steady and comfortable 
throughout the 15 miles despite the 1500 feet of elevation gain (and loss) 
and the extra 35 pounds of my daughter and her Thule seat. A couple of days 
ago, I changed out my Jack Brown blues in favor of some 47mm Schwalbe 
Marathon NOS Kevlar Guards I got for $10 a pop at an incredible LBS, 
Baltimore Bicycle Works. They were even cushier and faster than expected. 
This week, I'm planning to swap out my moustache bar for an Albatross. 
Although I love the moustache for road riding, my wrists aren't feeling 
great today. Can't wait to try the ride again with the Albatross setup.

I don't take many photos, but when we stopped for a water and sandwich 
break I snapped a quick picture of the rig and a detail of our water bottle 
setup. You can check 'em out here:

https://goo.gl/photos/NFB2MPCKR3ZdKK796

And here's a map of the ride, just in case anyone is local and wants to 
follow my route:

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/13173105

BK

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[RBW] Bag making

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Definitely inspiring! Thanks!

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[RBW] WTT: Well-used Brooks B17 Honey for B17 Black

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Hi Folks:

New user here. Hoping I did this right.

Looking to trade my used Brooks B17 honey saddle for the same in black. Not 
interested in selling for now. 

I used it for a few years on my commuter, and it's in decent shape with 
scrapes and the like. Still plenty of life left in it. 

Please respond off list if you'd like to see pictures.

Thanks!

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