Re: [RBW] 52cm Wilbury (fancy!) frameset, never built, CL outing

['JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The Saluki was the first 650b Rivendell production bike. I liked the light 
green I had originally better, but this pewter, more lt. taupe) is fine. I have 
all the parts except the brakes on it that I had on my first Saluki, they went 
on the Bleriot and are now on a Saluki again. As soon as we warm up enough I 
will have it on the road.

Joel

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On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 2:13 PM, J J  wrote:

> Hi Joel,
>
> Thanks for your note and for the pics. I’d love it if you contacted Charlie 
> on my behalf. It would be interesting to get more of the bike’s story. I 
> believe the Yale student had a range of prices listed at various times, all 
> the up to $2,500. We came to a fair agreement and everyone walked away 
> pleased :)
>
> Your Saluki is fantastic. Something about Salukis does it for me — the name 
> of the basal breed and the head badge, the colors (I’ve seen them in 
> “Hunqapillar green", silver, orange, yellow, and red), the cantis, the 
> proportions. I would love to find one in a 59 or 60. If you ever hear of one 
> for sale, please let me know!
>
>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 12:28 PM, 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> J J, the original owner had this frame that he never built up, a built up 
>> Yves Gomez and some other bikes. He lives in a well to do town. He was 
>> asking, if memory serves $2000 or so for the frame but sold it for $1600 (I 
>> would have bought it for that). The Yale guy tried to sell it for over $2k 
>> originally, no need for me to know what you paid, that is personal. I was 
>> invited to see the bike but was concerned it would be too small and COVID 
>> was raging at that time. As it turned out I think the size would have been 
>> fine. His Yves Gomez was a 55cm and when I called Rivendell Will thought it 
>> would too big. In the old days I rode a 56cm custom, a 55cm Bleriot among 
>> others. Today with the new sizing I rode a 51cm Sam Hillborne and my new to 
>> me Saluki.
>> The Bleriot was a tad large, not bad but a little and I rode it for quite a 
>> while. I sold it about 2 months ago on the forum as I found a 54cm Saluki. I 
>> had a 56cm Saluki when they came out but the TT was just to long for me even 
>> with a short stem. I will attach a photo of my old and new for you.
>>
>> So that is what I know. I can contact Charlie (the original owner) if you 
>> want to ask him questions to see if it is ok with him.
>>
>> Joel
>>
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>>
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 12:09 PM, J J  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for your kind words, Joel. Yes! The seller mentioned he is a student 
>>> at Yale. You've clearly looked into this. Do you know the story of the 
>>> original owner? It's really just a curiosity, thinking about how many hands 
>>> and places it passed through from the time it was built to the time it was 
>>> first ridden. The seller told me he got it a while back from a man who had 
>>> several frames that he had not built up or something like that.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 1:43:17 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 JJ, lovely build. I was interested in that frame but the price had me shy 
 away. The original owner lives about 20 minutes from me. My recollection 
 is that he sold it to a student at Yale. I should have negotiated, 
 beautiful bike. If you decide to part with it please let me know.

 I hope your significant other gets great use from it.

 Joel

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 On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:08 PM, J J  wrote:

> Thanks for the tip, David. Let's see if it works here. Thanks for posting 
> the pic of your wife's beautiful bike again, mgstf5144. You should know 
> that your pic was part of the inspiration for buying the Wilbury.
>
> Joel, it's definitely that same bike, though it's not clear whether it 
> was flipped. The fellow did drive the bike in from CT to East Village. He 
> was really as nice as can be, and the negotiation was amicable and fair. 
> He showed me pics of his other Rivendells that he built up himself, 
> including a really special and beautiful Atlantis.
>
> I'd had my eyes on the Wilbury for more than a year, I think. It was 
> relisted every couple of months. The reticence about buying it was the 
> size. My partner is 5'1" and we were concerned about it being slightly 
> too large for her. We finally bought it on faith. I figured that if it 
> did not work for her, it would work for someone else. Once we had the 
> frame in hand, I contacted the lovely folks at Rivendell to ask for 
> advice on sizing and the build, and to buy components. We were eager to 
> build it and ride. I can't thank Will enough for his help with my many 
> questions. He was incredibly patient and generous with his time, and 
> genuinely excited about this unusual NOS frame. Will walked us through 
> measuring things carefully: PBH of course, 

Re: [RBW] 52cm Wilbury (fancy!) frameset, never built, CL outing

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

J J, will send you PM.  

On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 2:14:01 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> Hi Joel,
>
> Thanks for your note and for the pics. I’d love it if you contacted 
> Charlie on my behalf. It would be interesting to get more of the bike’s 
> story. I believe the Yale student had a range of prices listed at various 
> times, all the up to $2,500. We came to a fair agreement and everyone 
> walked away pleased :) 
>
> Your Saluki is fantastic. Something about Salukis does it for me — the 
> name of the basal breed and the head badge, the colors (I’ve seen them in 
> “Hunqapillar green", silver, orange, yellow, and red), the cantis, the 
> proportions. I would love to find one in a 59 or 60. If you ever hear of 
> one for sale, please let me know!  
>
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2022, at 12:28 PM, 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> J J, the original owner had this frame that he never built up, a built up 
> Yves Gomez and some other bikes.  He lives in a well to do town.  He was 
> asking, if memory serves $2000 or so for the frame but sold it for $1600 (I 
> would have bought it for that).  The Yale guy tried to sell it for over $2k 
> originally, no need for me to know what you paid, that is personal.  I was 
> invited to see the bike but was concerned it would be too small and COVID 
> was raging at that time.  As it turned out I think the size would have been 
> fine.  His Yves Gomez was a 55cm and when I called Rivendell Will thought 
> it would too big.   In the old days I rode a 56cm custom, a 55cm Bleriot 
> among others. Today with the new sizing I rode a 51cm Sam Hillborne and my 
> new to me Saluki. 
> The Bleriot was a tad large, not bad but a little and I rode it for quite 
> a while.  I sold it about 2 months ago on the forum as I found a 54cm 
> Saluki.  I had a 56cm Saluki when they came out but the TT was  just to 
> long for me even with a short stem.  I will attach a photo of my old and 
> new for you.  
>
> So that is what I know.  I can contact Charlie (the original owner) if you 
> want to ask him questions to see if it is ok with him.
>
> Joel 
>
>
> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 12:09 PM, J J  wrote:
>
> Thanks for your kind words, Joel. Yes! The seller mentioned he is a 
> student at Yale. You've clearly looked into this. Do you know the story of 
> the original owner? It's really just a curiosity, thinking about how many 
> hands and places it passed through from the time it was built to the time 
> it was first ridden. The seller told me he got it a while back from a man 
> who had several frames that he had not built up or something like that.
>
> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 1:43:17 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> JJ, lovely build. I was interested in that frame but the price had me shy 
>> away. The original owner lives about 20 minutes from me. My recollection is 
>> that he sold it to a student at Yale. I should have negotiated, beautiful 
>> bike. If you decide to part with it please let me know. 
>>
>> I hope your significant other gets great use from it. 
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:08 PM, J J  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the tip, David. Let's see if it works here. Thanks for posting 
>> the pic of your wife's beautiful bike again, mgstf5144. You should know 
>> that your pic was part of the inspiration for buying the Wilbury.
>>
>> Joel, it's definitely that same bike, though it's not clear whether it 
>> was flipped. The fellow did drive the bike in from CT to East Village. He 
>> was really as nice as can be, and the negotiation was amicable and fair. He 
>> showed me pics of his other Rivendells that he built up himself, including 
>> a really special and beautiful Atlantis. 
>>
>> I'd had my eyes on the Wilbury for more than a year, I think. It was 
>> relisted every couple of months. The reticence about buying it was the 
>> size. My partner is 5'1" and we were concerned about it being slightly too 
>> large for her. We finally bought it on faith. I figured that if it did not 
>> work for her, it would work for someone else. Once we had the frame in 
>> hand, I contacted the lovely folks at Rivendell to ask for advice on sizing 
>> and the build, and to buy components. We were eager to build it and ride. I 
>> can't thank Will enough for his help with my many questions. He was 
>> incredibly patient and generous with his time, and genuinely excited about 
>> this unusual NOS frame. Will walked us through measuring things carefully: 
>> PBH of course, seat tube length, saddle height of her previous bike, etc. 
>> He asked for photos of her on the previous bike and about her riding style. 
>> He consulted Grant about it, too. The advice was right on. In the end, we 
>> were confident the size would be just right. And it was. We feel fortunate 
>> to have gotten it and built it up.
>>
>> I mentioned that it appears to have been a custom paint job 

Re: [RBW] 52cm Wilbury (fancy!) frameset, never built, CL outing

[J J]

Hi Joel,

Thanks for your note and for the pics. I’d love it if you contacted Charlie on 
my behalf. It would be interesting to get more of the bike’s story. I believe 
the Yale student had a range of prices listed at various times, all the up to 
$2,500. We came to a fair agreement and everyone walked away pleased :) 

Your Saluki is fantastic. Something about Salukis does it for me — the name of 
the basal breed and the head badge, the colors (I’ve seen them in “Hunqapillar 
green", silver, orange, yellow, and red), the cantis, the proportions. I would 
love to find one in a 59 or 60. If you ever hear of one for sale, please let me 
know!  



> On Feb 16, 2022, at 12:28 PM, 'JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> J J, the original owner had this frame that he never built up, a built up 
> Yves Gomez and some other bikes.  He lives in a well to do town.  He was 
> asking, if memory serves $2000 or so for the frame but sold it for $1600 (I 
> would have bought it for that).  The Yale guy tried to sell it for over $2k 
> originally, no need for me to know what you paid, that is personal.  I was 
> invited to see the bike but was concerned it would be too small and COVID was 
> raging at that time.  As it turned out I think the size would have been fine. 
>  His Yves Gomez was a 55cm and when I called Rivendell Will thought it would 
> too big.   In the old days I rode a 56cm custom, a 55cm Bleriot among others. 
> Today with the new sizing I rode a 51cm Sam Hillborne and my new to me 
> Saluki. 
> The Bleriot was a tad large, not bad but a little and I rode it for quite a 
> while.  I sold it about 2 months ago on the forum as I found a 54cm Saluki.  
> I had a 56cm Saluki when they came out but the TT was  just to long for me 
> even with a short stem.  I will attach a photo of my old and new for you.  
> 
> So that is what I know.  I can contact Charlie (the original owner) if you 
> want to ask him questions to see if it is ok with him.
> 
> Joel 
> 
> 
> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 12:09 PM, J J  > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for your kind words, Joel. Yes! The seller mentioned he is a student 
>> at Yale. You've clearly looked into this. Do you know the story of the 
>> original owner? It's really just a curiosity, thinking about how many hands 
>> and places it passed through from the time it was built to the time it was 
>> first ridden. The seller told me he got it a while back from a man who had 
>> several frames that he had not built up or something like that.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 1:43:17 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>> JJ, lovely build. I was interested in that frame but the price had me shy 
>> away. The original owner lives about 20 minutes from me. My recollection is 
>> that he sold it to a student at Yale. I should have negotiated, beautiful 
>> bike. If you decide to part with it please let me know.
>> 
>> I hope your significant other gets great use from it.
>> 
>> Joel
>> 
>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:08 PM, J J > > wrote:
>>> Thanks for the tip, David. Let's see if it works here. Thanks for posting 
>>> the pic of your wife's beautiful bike again, mgstf5144. You should know 
>>> that your pic was part of the inspiration for buying the Wilbury.
>>> 
>>> Joel, it's definitely that same bike, though it's not clear whether it was 
>>> flipped. The fellow did drive the bike in from CT to East Village. He was 
>>> really as nice as can be, and the negotiation was amicable and fair. He 
>>> showed me pics of his other Rivendells that he built up himself, including 
>>> a really special and beautiful Atlantis.
>>> 
>>> I'd had my eyes on the Wilbury for more than a year, I think. It was 
>>> relisted every couple of months. The reticence about buying it was the 
>>> size. My partner is 5'1" and we were concerned about it being slightly too 
>>> large for her. We finally bought it on faith. I figured that if it did not 
>>> work for her, it would work for someone else. Once we had the frame in 
>>> hand, I contacted the lovely folks at Rivendell to ask for advice on sizing 
>>> and the build, and to buy components. We were eager to build it and ride. I 
>>> can't thank Will enough for his help with my many questions. He was 
>>> incredibly patient and generous with his time, and genuinely excited about 
>>> this unusual NOS frame. Will walked us through measuring things carefully: 
>>> PBH of course, seat tube length, saddle height of her previous bike, etc. 
>>> He asked for photos of her on the previous bike and about her riding style. 
>>> He consulted Grant about it, too. The advice was right on. In the end, we 
>>> were confident the size would be just right. And it was. We feel fortunate 
>>> to have gotten it and built it up.
>>> 
>>> I mentioned that it appears to have been a custom paint job (Joe Bell?) 
>>> because I have never seen a Wilbury or Glorius frame in 

[RBW] 52cm Wilbury (fancy!) frameset, never built, CL outing

[Mark Roland]

Not mine, no relation, not close enough/no time to facilitate a sale. I'm a 
little ambivalent about ebay "outings" but this is a CL tucked away in NW 
CT, so, here ya go. (Apologies if the owner is on the list and planning to 
post.) Listing is new, but I swear I've seen it before, so owner may have 
tried and failed previously. And of course, *caveat emptor* since I cannot 
vouch for the seller, who is unknown to me.

https://hartford.craigslist.org/bik/d/suffield-rivendell-mixte-wilbury-frame/7053943420.html

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