Re: [RBW] All American Roadeo

[newenglandbike]

It would be cool to see Paul, or any of the other US makes for that matter, 
making derailleurs again.I'm sure they'd make your wallet ache 
something fierce but dang it would be cool. I think it will happen 
someday.

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Re: [RBW] All American Roadeo

[Seth Vidal]

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:56 PM, David Yu Greenblatt
 wrote:
> The project will be easier if you run a fixed-gear or single-speed
> drivetrain. Plus you may gain souplesse and/or cred among the patrons of
> Zeitgeist SF. Then again you might just end up soup-less.
>
> Until recently much of the high-end Bontrager carbon fiber stuff (including
> handlebars, stems, and seatposts) was Made in Wisconsin. Probably no longer
> though. Other than prototypes their saddles were never MIW or MUSA. Perhaps
> Selle San An-Atomica can supply a MUSA saddle for you. Or just securely lash
> a MUSA sirloin steak to the top of your MUSA Thomson or Paul seatpost with
> MUSA hemp twine before every ride, and grill and eat it afterwards (low
> carbs).
>
> MUSA chain: None are currently in production, as far as I know. A NOS Viking
> Titanium chain would be a true eBay score. Are Gates Carbon Drive components
> MUSA? Maybe some of the metal sprockets are, but I doubt the belt is. Try
> rigging a drive belt out of that handy roll of MUSA hemp twine. And if that
> fails, soothe yourself by smoking some Humbolt County... tobacco.
>
> MUSA tires: Another big problem. Build a greenhouse and grow your own Para
> rubber trees and make some tires. May cause significant delay in your
> project timeline. In the meantime you can shoulder your MUSA frameset
> cyclocross-style and run around waving an American Flag (just confirm that
> it is not Made in China).
>

David,
 I don't think your snide reply was necessary or really warranted.

please don't be that way.
-sv

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Re: [RBW] All American Roadeo

[David Yu Greenblatt]

The project will be easier if you run a fixed-gear or single-speed
drivetrain. Plus you may gain *souplesse* and/or cred among the patrons of
Zeitgeist SF. Then again you might just end up soup-less.

Until recently much of the high-end Bontrager carbon fiber stuff (including
handlebars, stems, and seatposts) was Made in Wisconsin. Probably no longer
though. Other than prototypes their saddles were never MIW or MUSA. Perhaps
Selle San An-Atomica can supply a MUSA saddle for you. Or just securely
lash a MUSA sirloin steak to the top of your MUSA Thomson or Paul seatpost
with MUSA hemp twine before every ride, and grill and eat it afterwards (low
carbs ).

MUSA chain: None are currently in production, as far as I know. A NOS Viking
Titanium 
chain
would be a true eBay score. Are Gates Carbon Drive components MUSA? Maybe
some of the metal sprockets are, but I doubt the belt is. Try rigging a
drive belt out of that handy roll of MUSA hemp twine. And if that fails,
soothe yourself by smoking some Humbolt County... tobacco.

MUSA tires: Another big problem. Build a greenhouse and grow your own Para
rubber trees and make some tires. May cause significant delay in your
project timeline. In the meantime you can shoulder your MUSA frameset
cyclocross-style and run around waving an American Flag (just confirm that
it is not Made in
China).


Good luck,

David G, Madison WI



On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Dave Rivbike  wrote:

> Gestating the idea of an All American Roadeo.
> Is it possible?
> Would have gone with say an Atlantis, but I think the MUSA quill stem
> doesn't exist.
>
>
> Roadeo Frame
> White Industries Crank
> Phil BB, Spokes & Hubs
> Chris King Headset
> Paul Brakes
> Thomson threadless stem, seatpost
> Thomson even makes bolts
>
>
> Here's the sticky stuff:
>
> Chain, Cassette, Tires, Cabling, Shifters, Brake Levers, Rims,
> Handlebars
>
> Not sure if Bontrager stuff is all MUSA or not anymore, but they do
> rims (complete wheels), handlebars, tires, saddles, bottle cages
> Phil and White both make a single speed cogs but no cassettes...
> Paul makes brake levers, but not for drops
>
> Is it possible?
> Any ideas for those last bits?
> Is Bontrager MUSA?
> Am I missing some great MUSA manufacturer?
>
> I know of a custom knifemaker who machines his own cassettes, but to
> buy one would probably be $999 or so.
>
> More questions than answers. A monumental invoice total I'm sure, but
> primo stuff.
>

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Re: [RBW] All American Roadeo

[William]

derailers are a tough one as well.  You have communication with Paul, and 
I'm sure he still has the CNC files for his derailers.  

Is Gore cabling MUSA?

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Re: [RBW] All American Roadeo

[Jim Mather]

I've seen people attempt this before. I think the big stumbling block are
the derailers. Unless you go back to '90's CNC derailers like Paul, White,
Joe's, Precision, or the Excel/Elgin line, you won't find anything. SRAM is
based in USA, but I bet everything is made in Taiwan.

good luck,
jim m
wc ca

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Dave Rivbike  wrote:
> > Gestating the idea of an All American Roadeo.
> > Is it possible?
>
> I went through this when I was trying to get parts together for my AHH.
> >
> > Chain, Cassette, Tires, Cabling, Shifters, Brake Levers, Rims,
> > Handlebars
>
> RIMS: aiui velocity is moving production to florida soon(tm) - might
> want to look into that.
>
>
> Cassette - american classics - are they made here?
>
>
> -sv
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Re: [RBW] All American Roadeo

[Seth Vidal]

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Dave Rivbike  wrote:
> Gestating the idea of an All American Roadeo.
> Is it possible?

I went through this when I was trying to get parts together for my AHH.
>
> Chain, Cassette, Tires, Cabling, Shifters, Brake Levers, Rims,
> Handlebars

RIMS: aiui velocity is moving production to florida soon(tm) - might
want to look into that.


Cassette - american classics - are they made here?


-sv

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[RBW] All American Roadeo

[Dave Rivbike]

Gestating the idea of an All American Roadeo.
Is it possible?
Would have gone with say an Atlantis, but I think the MUSA quill stem
doesn't exist.


Roadeo Frame
White Industries Crank
Phil BB, Spokes & Hubs
Chris King Headset
Paul Brakes
Thomson threadless stem, seatpost
Thomson even makes bolts


Here's the sticky stuff:

Chain, Cassette, Tires, Cabling, Shifters, Brake Levers, Rims,
Handlebars

Not sure if Bontrager stuff is all MUSA or not anymore, but they do
rims (complete wheels), handlebars, tires, saddles, bottle cages
Phil and White both make a single speed cogs but no cassettes...
Paul makes brake levers, but not for drops

Is it possible?
Any ideas for those last bits?
Is Bontrager MUSA?
Am I missing some great MUSA manufacturer?

I know of a custom knifemaker who machines his own cassettes, but to
buy one would probably be $999 or so.

More questions than answers. A monumental invoice total I'm sure, but
primo stuff.

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