Re: [RBW] Bar end vs Downtube

[Brian McDermott]

Downtube shifters are fine, but the main drawback as others have said is 
the reach. Definitely great if you're frequently changing out your cockpit. 

However, you just can't beat the accessibility of bar end shifters, 
especially if your bike is loaded. As for front end clutter, I'm a fan of 
running the cables all the way up under the tape so they exit by the stem, 
like your brake cables. 

On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 9:39:35 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I like Steven's suggestion of the stem mounted shifters, too...my only 
> concern would be running a front handlebar bag might be iffy with the cable 
> housings exiting the mount. I was pondering a switch to drops a few months 
> back and was considering the stem mount and Silver shifters because I 
> didn't want to do bar ends for some reason and kept talking myself out of 
> it because of bag interference. 
>
> I would never tell anyone not to make a choice on set up just on looks, 
> but for me I would not give up the convenience of bar ends for the looks of 
> DT. The juice ain't worth the squeeze. I'm tall, ride upright (the flats of 
> my noodle bars are level with my seat), and reaching the DT shifter would 
> be inconvenient for me unless I wanted to lower the bars and set it up for 
> more of an aggressive position,
>
> BUT...with all that said, you'll love whatever way you go. Congrats on a 
> new Homer! 
>
> Ben in Omaha
>
> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 7:55 PM Jeffrey Arita  wrote:
>
>> This discussion is timely.  We've been using bar ends for so long now 
>> that shifting becomes instinctual.  However, I do use pretty decent sized 
>> 'U' cable housing so that shifting is smooth.  The housing/cabling can get 
>> in the way of handlebar bags, and as some have noted, it doesn't look the 
>> best although it is functional.
>>
>> I just might try Steven's suggestion.  Thanks everyone,
>>
>> Happy Holidays!
>>
>> Jeff
>> Claremont, CA
>>
>> On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 4:45:22 PM UTC-8 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>
>>> After many years of riding nothing but bar end shifters, I have switched 
>>> to stem mounted shifters and find them very easy and convenient. They have 
>>> a simple cable run, especially if your cables run onnyour downtube. Either 
>>> hand can shift either derailleur. Worth considering. Steve
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 7:04 PM  wrote:
>>>
 Years back I bought a used Rambouillet that came to me with down tube 
 shifters. I rode it that way for a while just to see what I thought of 
 them 
 after at least a decade since the last time I used them.

 I can’t say they were horrible but I much prefer bar mounted shifters 
 since they make shifting easier and safer. I do like the look and the ease 
 of setup of down tube shifters but the ergonomics are lacking for me. I 
 ride a 58-60 cm frame.

 Robert Tilley
 San Diego, CA

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:01 AM, atreya...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

 I am debating bar end vs down tube shifters for the upcoming homer 
 build. I like the simplicity and aesthetics of down tube but concerned how 
 “inconvenient “ they could be given longish geometry of rivs. For non 
 racing and just riding for pleasure usecases does it matter .I am also 
 considering going downtube for FD and bar end for RD. If over time I find 
 downtube comfortable enough switch both to downtube . Would love to hear 
 groups thoughts and experience. 

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Re: [RBW] Bar end vs Downtube

[Ben Mihovk]

I like Steven's suggestion of the stem mounted shifters, too...my only
concern would be running a front handlebar bag might be iffy with the cable
housings exiting the mount. I was pondering a switch to drops a few months
back and was considering the stem mount and Silver shifters because I
didn't want to do bar ends for some reason and kept talking myself out of
it because of bag interference.

I would never tell anyone not to make a choice on set up just on looks, but
for me I would not give up the convenience of bar ends for the looks of DT.
The juice ain't worth the squeeze. I'm tall, ride upright (the flats of my
noodle bars are level with my seat), and reaching the DT shifter would be
inconvenient for me unless I wanted to lower the bars and set it up for
more of an aggressive position,

BUT...with all that said, you'll love whatever way you go. Congrats on a
new Homer!

Ben in Omaha

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 7:55 PM Jeffrey Arita 
wrote:

> This discussion is timely.  We've been using bar ends for so long now that
> shifting becomes instinctual.  However, I do use pretty decent sized 'U'
> cable housing so that shifting is smooth.  The housing/cabling can get in
> the way of handlebar bags, and as some have noted, it doesn't look the best
> although it is functional.
>
> I just might try Steven's suggestion.  Thanks everyone,
>
> Happy Holidays!
>
> Jeff
> Claremont, CA
>
> On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 4:45:22 PM UTC-8 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> After many years of riding nothing but bar end shifters, I have switched
>> to stem mounted shifters and find them very easy and convenient. They have
>> a simple cable run, especially if your cables run onnyour downtube. Either
>> hand can shift either derailleur. Worth considering. Steve
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 7:04 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Years back I bought a used Rambouillet that came to me with down tube
>>> shifters. I rode it that way for a while just to see what I thought of them
>>> after at least a decade since the last time I used them.
>>>
>>> I can’t say they were horrible but I much prefer bar mounted shifters
>>> since they make shifting easier and safer. I do like the look and the ease
>>> of setup of down tube shifters but the ergonomics are lacking for me. I
>>> ride a 58-60 cm frame.
>>>
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:01 AM, atreya...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am debating bar end vs down tube shifters for the upcoming homer
>>> build. I like the simplicity and aesthetics of down tube but concerned how
>>> “inconvenient “ they could be given longish geometry of rivs. For non
>>> racing and just riding for pleasure usecases does it matter .I am also
>>> considering going downtube for FD and bar end for RD. If over time I find
>>> downtube comfortable enough switch both to downtube . Would love to hear
>>> groups thoughts and experience.
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Re: [RBW] Bar end vs Downtube

[Bill Schairer]

I've been running a dt shifter up front and bar end on the rear on my 
Atlantis for some time now.  I've found I get better shifts up front this 
way for, maybe, two reasons - shorter cable run with less friction from 
housing and accumulated grit and much easier lever actuation.  I find 
pushing down on the shifter with my thumb much, much easier than pulling up 
the bar end.

Bill S
San Diego

On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 5:55:20 PM UTC-8 Jeffrey Arita wrote:

> This discussion is timely.  We've been using bar ends for so long now that 
> shifting becomes instinctual.  However, I do use pretty decent sized 'U' 
> cable housing so that shifting is smooth.  The housing/cabling can get in 
> the way of handlebar bags, and as some have noted, it doesn't look the best 
> although it is functional.
>
> I just might try Steven's suggestion.  Thanks everyone,
>
> Happy Holidays!
>
> Jeff
> Claremont, CA
>
> On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 4:45:22 PM UTC-8 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> After many years of riding nothing but bar end shifters, I have switched 
>> to stem mounted shifters and find them very easy and convenient. They have 
>> a simple cable run, especially if your cables run onnyour downtube. Either 
>> hand can shift either derailleur. Worth considering. Steve
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 7:04 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Years back I bought a used Rambouillet that came to me with down tube 
>>> shifters. I rode it that way for a while just to see what I thought of them 
>>> after at least a decade since the last time I used them.
>>>
>>> I can’t say they were horrible but I much prefer bar mounted shifters 
>>> since they make shifting easier and safer. I do like the look and the ease 
>>> of setup of down tube shifters but the ergonomics are lacking for me. I 
>>> ride a 58-60 cm frame.
>>>
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:01 AM, atreya...@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am debating bar end vs down tube shifters for the upcoming homer 
>>> build. I like the simplicity and aesthetics of down tube but concerned how 
>>> “inconvenient “ they could be given longish geometry of rivs. For non 
>>> racing and just riding for pleasure usecases does it matter .I am also 
>>> considering going downtube for FD and bar end for RD. If over time I find 
>>> downtube comfortable enough switch both to downtube . Would love to hear 
>>> groups thoughts and experience. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Bar end vs Downtube

[Jeffrey Arita]

This discussion is timely.  We've been using bar ends for so long now that 
shifting becomes instinctual.  However, I do use pretty decent sized 'U' 
cable housing so that shifting is smooth.  The housing/cabling can get in 
the way of handlebar bags, and as some have noted, it doesn't look the best 
although it is functional.

I just might try Steven's suggestion.  Thanks everyone,

Happy Holidays!

Jeff
Claremont, CA

On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 4:45:22 PM UTC-8 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> After many years of riding nothing but bar end shifters, I have switched 
> to stem mounted shifters and find them very easy and convenient. They have 
> a simple cable run, especially if your cables run onnyour downtube. Either 
> hand can shift either derailleur. Worth considering. Steve
>
> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 7:04 PM  wrote:
>
>> Years back I bought a used Rambouillet that came to me with down tube 
>> shifters. I rode it that way for a while just to see what I thought of them 
>> after at least a decade since the last time I used them.
>>
>> I can’t say they were horrible but I much prefer bar mounted shifters 
>> since they make shifting easier and safer. I do like the look and the ease 
>> of setup of down tube shifters but the ergonomics are lacking for me. I 
>> ride a 58-60 cm frame.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:01 AM, atreya...@gmail.com  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I am debating bar end vs down tube shifters for the upcoming homer 
>> build. I like the simplicity and aesthetics of down tube but concerned how 
>> “inconvenient “ they could be given longish geometry of rivs. For non 
>> racing and just riding for pleasure usecases does it matter .I am also 
>> considering going downtube for FD and bar end for RD. If over time I find 
>> downtube comfortable enough switch both to downtube . Would love to hear 
>> groups thoughts and experience. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bar end vs Downtube

[Steven Sweedler]

After many years of riding nothing but bar end shifters, I have switched to
stem mounted shifters and find them very easy and convenient. They have a
simple cable run, especially if your cables run onnyour downtube. Either
hand can shift either derailleur. Worth considering. Steve

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 7:04 PM  wrote:

> Years back I bought a used Rambouillet that came to me with down tube
> shifters. I rode it that way for a while just to see what I thought of them
> after at least a decade since the last time I used them.
>
> I can’t say they were horrible but I much prefer bar mounted shifters
> since they make shifting easier and safer. I do like the look and the ease
> of setup of down tube shifters but the ergonomics are lacking for me. I
> ride a 58-60 cm frame.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:01 AM, atreya...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> I am debating bar end vs down tube shifters for the upcoming homer build.
> I like the simplicity and aesthetics of down tube but concerned how
> “inconvenient “ they could be given longish geometry of rivs. For non
> racing and just riding for pleasure usecases does it matter .I am also
> considering going downtube for FD and bar end for RD. If over time I find
> downtube comfortable enough switch both to downtube . Would love to hear
> groups thoughts and experience.
>
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Re: [RBW] Bar end vs Downtube

[rltilley]

Years back I bought a used Rambouillet that came to me with down tube shifters. 
I rode it that way for a while just to see what I thought of them after at 
least a decade since the last time I used them.

I can’t say they were horrible but I much prefer bar mounted shifters since 
they make shifting easier and safer. I do like the look and the ease of setup 
of down tube shifters but the ergonomics are lacking for me. I ride a 58-60 cm 
frame.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

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> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:01 AM, atreya...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
> 
> I am debating bar end vs down tube shifters for the upcoming homer build. I 
> like the simplicity and aesthetics of down tube but concerned how 
> “inconvenient “ they could be given longish geometry of rivs. For non racing 
> and just riding for pleasure usecases does it matter .I am also considering 
> going downtube for FD and bar end for RD. If over time I find downtube 
> comfortable enough switch both to downtube . Would love to hear groups 
> thoughts and experience.
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[RBW] Bar end vs Downtube

[atreya...@gmail.com]

I am debating bar end vs down tube shifters for the upcoming homer build. I 
like the simplicity and aesthetics of down tube but concerned how 
“inconvenient “ they could be given longish geometry of rivs. For non 
racing and just riding for pleasure usecases does it matter .I am also 
considering going downtube for FD and bar end for RD. If over time I find 
downtube comfortable enough switch both to downtube . Would love to hear 
groups thoughts and experience.

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