Re: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[Alex Zeibot]

Hi Michael,
Scroll down to the 5th picture and the info under it.  That should give you
a good idea.  Hope it will help you. Good luck.
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/pitlock.asp


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Michael  wrote:

> Thinking about getting pitlocks for my seatpost and saddle (yes, they
> actually have one that clamps onto the post at the saddle bolt, thus
> blocking access to it). Noone can steal your seatpost *or* saddle, then.
>
> I am more concerned about the pitlocks scratching the paint on the seat
> tube collar.
> How has yours worked out?
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Re: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[Philip Williamson]

Ah, this is a great quote. Thanks. 
A bike is to ride. The better the bike, the more I want to ride it.
I don't save my nicest watercolor brushes for special occasions, I use them 
every time I paint. A good tool makes any job easier and more enjoyable.

Philip
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On Saturday, January 12, 2013 8:26:43 AM UTC-8, Matthew J wrote:
>
> All a matter of perspective, I guess.  Having seen my share of friends' 
> riding days or days in general cut short out of the blue, I have a lot more 
> confidence in my ability to come up with another $3,000.00 than I will have 
> another 30 years worth of riding.
>
> Sure beaters can be fun, but a bike perfectly matched to your body and 
> riding style is special.
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Re: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[Matthew J]

All a matter of perspective, I guess.  Having seen my share of friends' riding 
days or days in general cut short out of the blue, I have a lot more confidence 
in my ability to come up with another $3,000.00 than I will have another 30 
years worth of riding.

Sure beaters can be fun, but a bike perfectly matched to your body and riding 
style is special.

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Re: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[Peter Morgano]

Oh, and I also had a super mirage, got from a bike shop, someone had traded
it in. It was a sweet ride and I rode it all around brooklyn. It did get
stolen about 2 years later, locked up on a friends front porch. I was
pissed but just went to the bike shop and got another $150 bike instead of
being out almost 3k like if my Rivendell got lifted.

On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> I guess i have the exact opposite view. Life is actually pretty long and
> the life of a bike can be very long if taken care of. I would rather have
> my favorite bike 30 years from now than have beaten it to hell in 10. I
> take my nice bikes when I can but it still nice to have a beater when I
> know I have to ride out to the seedier areas of our fine city.
>
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Matthew J  wrote:
>
>> My issue with the beater bike solution is that life is short.  Much as I
>> like to pleasure ride out in the great beyond, truth is most of my riding
>> is going to work or running errands in the city.
>>
>> Sure, a beater bike means less to worry about when parked.  But it also
>> means most of my riding will be on something that is anything but fun to
>> ride. In 8 years of bike only living the only bad luck I had was when a
>> truck backed over my then favorite bike.  Sure I was down for a while, but
>> now I have a great new custom that I really enjoy riding.
>>
>> Good bikes and quality parts are replaceable.  Time wasted riding a
>> junker is not. Haha.
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Re: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[Peter Morgano]

I guess i have the exact opposite view. Life is actually pretty long and
the life of a bike can be very long if taken care of. I would rather have
my favorite bike 30 years from now than have beaten it to hell in 10. I
take my nice bikes when I can but it still nice to have a beater when I
know I have to ride out to the seedier areas of our fine city.

On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Matthew J  wrote:

> My issue with the beater bike solution is that life is short.  Much as I
> like to pleasure ride out in the great beyond, truth is most of my riding
> is going to work or running errands in the city.
>
> Sure, a beater bike means less to worry about when parked.  But it also
> means most of my riding will be on something that is anything but fun to
> ride. In 8 years of bike only living the only bad luck I had was when a
> truck backed over my then favorite bike.  Sure I was down for a while, but
> now I have a great new custom that I really enjoy riding.
>
> Good bikes and quality parts are replaceable.  Time wasted riding a junker
> is not. Haha.
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RE: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I always enjoy the artful beater. Doesn't look like much, doesn't cost much, 
but functionally great.

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RE: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Junkers don't need to be not fun, or time wasted.  I have an old Motobecane 
Super Mirage set up as a single speed with porteur bars that's a blast to ride, 
and I'm nearly done building up (with Bosco bars - Riv content!) a 1 x 8 Sears 
bike from the '80s (a "Ted Williams" model) that it turns out was built by Puch 
and is all 531 - lovely riding frame, though it looks like absolute crap.  
Sometimes I lock them, sometimes I don't.  (Sometimes I use the Mark Abele 
trick of running my helmet strap through rear wheel and frame - very quick and 
so far enough to foil joyriders during a really quick stop.)  They're both 
definitely beaters, but still VERY comfortable and fun to ride.

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

Couldn't agree more...

On Saturday, January 12, 2013, Matthew J wrote:
My issue with the beater bike solution is that life is short.  Much as I like 
to pleasure ride out in the great beyond, truth is most of my riding is going 
to work or running errands in the city.

Sure, a beater bike means less to worry about when parked.  But it also means 
most of my riding will be on something that is anything but fun to ride. In 8 
years of bike only living the only bad luck I had was when a truck backed over 
my then favorite bike.  Sure I was down for a while, but now I have a great new 
custom that I really enjoy riding.

Good bikes and quality parts are replaceable.  Time wasted riding a junker is 
not. Haha.

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Re: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[René Sterental]

Couldn't agree more...

On Saturday, January 12, 2013, Matthew J wrote:

> My issue with the beater bike solution is that life is short.  Much as I
> like to pleasure ride out in the great beyond, truth is most of my riding
> is going to work or running errands in the city.
>
> Sure, a beater bike means less to worry about when parked.  But it also
> means most of my riding will be on something that is anything but fun to
> ride. In 8 years of bike only living the only bad luck I had was when a
> truck backed over my then favorite bike.  Sure I was down for a while, but
> now I have a great new custom that I really enjoy riding.
>
> Good bikes and quality parts are replaceable.  Time wasted riding a junker
> is not. Haha.
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Re: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[Matthew J]

My issue with the beater bike solution is that life is short.  Much as I like 
to pleasure ride out in the great beyond, truth is most of my riding is going 
to work or running errands in the city.

Sure, a beater bike means less to worry about when parked.  But it also means 
most of my riding will be on something that is anything but fun to ride. In 8 
years of bike only living the only bad luck I had was when a truck backed over 
my then favorite bike.  Sure I was down for a while, but now I have a great new 
custom that I really enjoy riding.

Good bikes and quality parts are replaceable.  Time wasted riding a junker is 
not. Haha.

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Re: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[Robert F. Harrison]

The problem I have is my beater bike got a new drive train. Then new wheels
(one of which I built myself around a two speed kickback shift hub). Then
it got a new coat of paint and one of my older Brooks saddles. Ultimately
it's not exactly a beater anymore. Actually, since I've had the frame since
the early 90's I'd be loathe to part with.

Guess I need a new, old, beater. :-)


On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> Not to be a fly in the ointment but this again makes me thankful I have a
> beater bike. I know there is a pride and joy from riding your well pride
> and joy everywhere but my 10 dollar yard sale folding bike is a beast for
> running around town and doesnt get a second look. When I lock it up with a
> simple u-lock its all right there where I left it, pleather seat and sissy
> bars still looking terrible, haha.
>
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
>> Ha!  Good point.  Just garbage bag your brooks and duct tape your
>> Nitto lugged seatpost and all will be good ;).
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Andy Forquer  wrote:
>> > I think if you are paranoid about your saddle getting stolen by guys
>> > carrying hex wrenches, then you should recognize that they could just as
>> > easily disassemble the saddle from the post itself.  Given the relative
>> > value of the saddle, I just loop a piece of vinyl covered steel braided
>> > cable, crimp it at the hardware store, and leave my post to be stolen
>> or not
>> > stolen.
>> >
>> > I also have some locking skewers --- so around Oakland and SF I only
>> bring a
>> > mini u-lock to secure the frame.
>> >
>> > -Andy
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Re: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Ha!  Good point.  Just garbage bag your brooks and duct tape your
Nitto lugged seatpost and all will be good ;).

Toshi


On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Andy Forquer  wrote:
> I think if you are paranoid about your saddle getting stolen by guys
> carrying hex wrenches, then you should recognize that they could just as
> easily disassemble the saddle from the post itself.  Given the relative
> value of the saddle, I just loop a piece of vinyl covered steel braided
> cable, crimp it at the hardware store, and leave my post to be stolen or not
> stolen.
>
> I also have some locking skewers --- so around Oakland and SF I only bring a
> mini u-lock to secure the frame.
>
> -Andy

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Re: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[Andy Forquer]

I think if you are paranoid about your saddle getting stolen by guys 
carrying hex wrenches, then you should recognize that they could just as 
easily disassemble the saddle from the post itself.  Given the relative 
value of the saddle, I just loop a piece of vinyl covered steel braided 
cable, crimp it at the hardware store, and leave my post to be stolen or 
not stolen.  

I also have some locking skewers --- so around Oakland and SF I only bring 
a mini u-lock to secure the frame.

-Andy

On Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:27:07 PM UTC-8, René wrote:
>
> Ah, yes! Thanks for reminding me...
>
> On Thursday, January 10, 2013, Andy Smitty Schmidt 
> <54c...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm pretty sure I got this link for torx security head 
>> boltsoff this here 
>> Riv list a while back. 
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[Aaron]

I'm using a Pitlock in a similar fashion as Bob.  But, instead of a washer 
of the same diameter as the "cone" head of the bolt, I'm using 3 presta 
valve nuts, 2 washers of the same diameter as the presta valve nuts, and a 
hex nut to create two "sleeves" like Philip mentioned.

I have a Sam Hillborne.  On the non-drive side of the seat lug, it's 
counterbored for a hex nut.  On the drive-side, it's counterbored for a 
bolthead.

When assembled, the "sleeves" protrude just slightly above the painted 
surface of the seat lug.  This allows me to tighten the Pitlock fully 
without worrying about damaging the paint underneath.  If you need to, you 
can add additional washers to shim it just right.

Here's the combination that works for my bike starting from the non-drive 
side.

Pitlock bolt with "cone" head>hex nut>presta valve nut>seat lug>washer>2 
presta valve nuts>washer>Pitlock locking nut assembly

Aaron


On Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:05:53 PM UTC-8, Statrixbob wrote:
>
>  I took a few quick pics of a Pitlock seat tube lock on my Hunq. I've got 
> the same on my Quickbeam. There may better way of putting this on, but it 
> works and I haven't lost my saddle yet.  I also don't find 
> it unattractive but, of course, tastes vary so if you hate it…good enough. 
> :-) 
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157632487313403/
>
>
>
> Aloha, 
>
> Bob
>
>
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> On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Robert F. Harrison wrote:
>
>  I use Pitlocks on both my Quickbeam and Hunqapillar seat posts. While I 
> may lose a little paint I feel much more secure. I've had no trouble with 
> the installation.
>
> Aloha!
>
> Bob
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> On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> wrote:
>
> Unless something has changed since I tried it a couple years ago, I don't 
> believe there's a pitlock that's easily compatible with a Riv seatpost 
> clamp.
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Re: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[René Sterental]

Ah, yes! Thanks for reminding me...

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wrote:

> I'm pretty sure I got this link for torx security head 
> boltsoff this here Riv 
> list a while back.
>
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Re: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[Robert Harrison]

I took a few quick pics of a Pitlock seat tube lock on my Hunq. I've got the 
same on my Quickbeam. There may better way of putting this on, but it works and 
I haven't lost my saddle yet.  I also don't find it unattractive but, of 
course, tastes vary so if you hate it…good enough. :-)  

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157632487313403/

 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157632487313403/)



Aloha,  

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On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Robert F. Harrison wrote:

> I use Pitlocks on both my Quickbeam and Hunqapillar seat posts. While I may 
> lose a little paint I feel much more secure. I've had no trouble with the 
> installation.
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> On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
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> > Unless something has changed since I tried it a couple years ago, I don't 
> > believe there's a pitlock that's easily compatible with a Riv seatpost 
> > clamp.
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Re: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[René Sterental]

That is exactly what I'm planning to do at some point... Use the nut on one
side and the bolt head on the other side so the Pitlock applies its force
on those two elements. Haven't gotten around to do it, as I rarely leave
the bike locked. Based on my new 2013 goals of just riding more, the
candidate for this experiment will be the Betty, which is what I'm planning
to ride around town on errands.

René


On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Philip Williamson <
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> I have not seen a Pitlock seatpost skewer. Is it possible to slip a spacer
> or collar over the skewer? Basically cut the head off an M5 bolt and drill
> it out to turn it into a sleeve for the Pitlock to apply pressure to?
>
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> On Thursday, January 10, 2013 6:04:32 AM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha
> Cyclery wrote:
>>
>> Riv seatpost collars are counterbored on each end, one for the bolt head,
>> and the other for a hex nut, which is pretty and elegant and functional.
>> The pitlock ends do not fit into this counterbore. That is what I meant
>> when I said pitlock wasn't easily compatible with Riv seat collars. Sure,
>> you can run any bolt or, apparently, pitlock through that hole, and clamp
>> down on the area outside the counterbore, which is likely to scratch the
>> paint. I wouldn't do that, not so much because of the paint, but because it
>> seems like a bad idea to just smoosh down on the seat lug over that
>> counterbore.
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Re: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[Philip Williamson]

I have not seen a Pitlock seatpost skewer. Is it possible to slip a spacer 
or collar over the skewer? Basically cut the head off an M5 bolt and drill 
it out to turn it into a sleeve for the Pitlock to apply pressure to? 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Thursday, January 10, 2013 6:04:32 AM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
Cyclery wrote:
>
> Riv seatpost collars are counterbored on each end, one for the bolt head, 
> and the other for a hex nut, which is pretty and elegant and functional. 
> The pitlock ends do not fit into this counterbore. That is what I meant 
> when I said pitlock wasn't easily compatible with Riv seat collars. Sure, 
> you can run any bolt or, apparently, pitlock through that hole, and clamp 
> down on the area outside the counterbore, which is likely to scratch the 
> paint. I wouldn't do that, not so much because of the paint, but because it 
> seems like a bad idea to just smoosh down on the seat lug over that 
> counterbore.

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Re: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[SteveD]

I agree. I use pitlocks on both wheels on my Atlantis. But when I applied 
the pitlock on the seat post, the seat post kept slipping. Yeah, I could've 
clamped down harder on the pitlock, but the amount of pressure seemed a bit 
much to make it work. Maybe I'm being overly cautious, but I stopped using 
it on the seat post because I was worried that it might damage the bike. 
Just my two cents.

On Thursday, January 10, 2013 6:04:32 AM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
Cyclery wrote:
>
> Riv seatpost collars are counterbored on each end, one for the bolt head, 
> and the other for a hex nut, which is pretty and elegant and functional. 
> The pitlock ends do not fit into this counterbore. That is what I meant 
> when I said pitlock wasn't easily compatible with Riv seat collars. Sure, 
> you can run any bolt or, apparently, pitlock through that hole, and clamp 
> down on the area outside the counterbore, which is likely to scratch the 
> paint. I wouldn't do that, not so much because of the paint, but because it 
> seems like a bad idea to just smoosh down on the seat lug over that 
> counterbore.

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Re: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Riv seatpost collars are counterbored on each end, one for the bolt head, and 
the other for a hex nut, which is pretty and elegant and functional. The 
pitlock ends do not fit into this counterbore. That is what I meant when I said 
pitlock wasn't easily compatible with Riv seat collars. Sure, you can run any 
bolt or, apparently, pitlock through that hole, and clamp down on the area 
outside the counterbore, which is likely to scratch the paint. I wouldn't do 
that, not so much because of the paint, but because it seems like a bad idea to 
just smoosh down on the seat lug over that counterbore.

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Re: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[David Spranger]

Same here. Use them on all my Riv bikes seatposts with no issues. I do put 
a washer each side of the pitlock before installing. Yes, I do loose a 
little paint, but I think it is worth it for piece of mind when I lock up.

David
Charlotte, NC

On Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:05:45 AM UTC-5, Statrixbob wrote:
>
>  I use Pitlocks on both my Quickbeam and Hunqapillar seat posts. While I 
> may lose a little paint I feel much more secure. I've had no trouble with 
> the installation.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[Joe Broach]

I lost a Champion Flyer and seatpost last year the one day I forgot to put
the saddle cover on. Working late, I missed the last bus and had an
interesting 5 mile ride home. The worst part was losing the post--a unique
26.7 Nitto on my Miyata. Impossible to find a perfect fit to replace it.

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> Come to think of it, I've kinda forgotten that saddle theft is an issue. I
> think about wheel theft, or whole bike theft when I lock up, but it's been
> a long time since I've heard about a saddle theft. I often park with a
> saddle cover over my B67 saddles, both for weather protection and for
> disguise. So far, so good. I'm sure none of this applies in NYC.
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[RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Come to think of it, I've kinda forgotten that saddle theft is an issue. I 
think about wheel theft, or whole bike theft when I lock up, but it's been a 
long time since I've heard about a saddle theft. I often park with a saddle 
cover over my B67 saddles, both for weather protection and for disguise. So 
far, so good. I'm sure none of this applies in NYC.

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[RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Unless something has changed since I tried it a couple years ago, I don't 
believe there's a pitlock that's easily compatible with a Riv seatpost clamp.

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[RBW] Do Pitlocks scratch paint on your seat tube collar?

[Michael]

Thinking about getting pitlocks for my seatpost and saddle (yes, they 
actually have one that clamps onto the post at the saddle bolt, thus 
blocking access to it). Noone can steal your seatpost *or* saddle, then.
 
I am more concerned about the pitlocks scratching the paint on the seat 
tube collar.
How has yours worked out?

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