Re: [RBW] Dynamo lights

[David Bivins]

Think of it this way: if you go to another state and buy a widget, their
tax will be on the receipt. There are exceptions (clothing under a certain
amount in NYC for example), but it makes sense.
And Mark in Beacon makes an excellent point - the taxes may be helping
Riv's home state. I'm in NY so I'm not familiar with the California budget,
so let's not get political about it, because I can't hang.

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 9:46 PM 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Hi Leah.  When I've traveled and bought stuff out of state, the rule has
> always been that if I take it with me, then I pay the tax, and if I have it
> shipped then I don't.  I doubt California would be any different.  It's
> always a question of how much to ship versus how much is the tax.
>
> I bought a bike once from an out-of-state dealer---my first Riv, in
> fact---and he was kind enough to drive it over the state line into my state
> so I could take delivery and not pay the tax.  Very kind of him.  I
> suggested that I pick it up from him in *his* state and we could *say*
> that he drove it over the line, but he wanted to do it the honest way.
> Neither of those states was California, but again---I can't imagine that
> California would be any more lenient, although they might be stricter.
>
> Dave
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Re: [RBW] Dynamo lights

[Leah Peterson]

There are enough of you that have the same understanding so I think it must be 
the bike should be shipped to avoid sales tax. But I like a combination of 
Roberta and Joe’s ideas - maybe a bunch of us can rendezvous at RBW for a party 
of some kind. We can ride our bikes, have a little jamboree with Listers, and 
board a plane and have our bikes shipped home. My understanding is it isn’t 
hard for Riv to ship a bike since it’s mostly assembled anyway. Roberta - there 
are very cheap flights from here to San Fran. Come see your sister and then the 
two of us will catch a flight to the Anniversary Mixte party that we have just 
invented. 

This makes me laugh. We have a slight hint of an anniversary bike of some kind 
on the horizon. Somehow, it has become a RED swoopy tubed mixte that we are all 
buying - sight unseen - and then there is going to be a fantastic gathering and 
riding ceremony where we will all swoop in and claim our special bikes at Riv’s 
HQ...which they know nothing about. Who needs marketing when you have customers 
with crazy ideas and overactive imaginations?

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> On May 9, 2019, at 6:46 PM, 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Leah.  When I've traveled and bought stuff out of state, the rule has 
> always been that if I take it with me, then I pay the tax, and if I have it 
> shipped then I don't.  I doubt California would be any different.  It's 
> always a question of how much to ship versus how much is the tax.  
> 
> I bought a bike once from an out-of-state dealer---my first Riv, in 
> fact---and he was kind enough to drive it over the state line into my state 
> so I could take delivery and not pay the tax.  Very kind of him.  I suggested 
> that I pick it up from him in his state and we could say that he drove it 
> over the line, but he wanted to do it the honest way.  Neither of those 
> states was California, but again---I can't imagine that California would be 
> any more lenient, although they might be stricter.  
> 
> Dave
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Re: [RBW] Dynamo lights

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Leah.  When I've traveled and bought stuff out of state, the rule has 
always been that if I take it with me, then I pay the tax, and if I have it 
shipped then I don't.  I doubt California would be any different.  It's 
always a question of how much to ship versus how much is the tax.  

I bought a bike once from an out-of-state dealer---my first Riv, in 
fact---and he was kind enough to drive it over the state line into my state 
so I could take delivery and not pay the tax.  Very kind of him.  I 
suggested that I pick it up from him in *his* state and we could *say* that 
he drove it over the line, but he wanted to do it the honest way.  Neither 
of those states was California, but again---I can't imagine that California 
would be any more lenient, although they might be stricter.  

Dave


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Re: [RBW] Dynamo lights

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Tax rules for internet sales recently changed. From what I understand, in 
addition to collecting tax in our State, the company I work for has to 
collect sales tax in those States where our sales go beyond a certain set 
minimum--a minimum which is different for each State. Kind of a nightmare, 
but I suppose there is software that notifies you when you hit the limit, 
though not sure if you then still can wait till the following tax year. I 
doubt Riv sells enough bikes to Nevada to be a problem--that would take a 
lot of anniversary mixtes going to Reno.

(But you don't want to avoid all the tax, or your roads won't get paved!;^)

On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 8:26:06 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Roberta, I’m sure you know, but is there really no loophole? NV billing 
> address, paid over the internet but picked up in person - still stuck with 
> the tax? 
>
> I cannot imagine making the trek to CA (it’s 9 hours to drive!) and not 
> coming home with the AM either. It’s going to be pretty expensive though; I 
> may need to forego the Riv experience and save like $500, plus travel 
> expenses. But, it IS the Anniversary Bike, and maybe there’s an Anniversary 
> Party, and can you really afford to miss THAT? Anyway, you and I are a 
> pair. I’ll probably copy what you do. 😜 
>
> Sent from my iPad 
>
> > On May 9, 2019, at 2:04 PM, REC > 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > If you purchase your bike or take delivery physically in ca you will 
> need to pay sales tax. If you order it online and you have it ship to you, 
> you will only pay sales tax if they have an employee in NV. 
> > 
> > I cannot imagine  you seeing and riding it in CA and not taking it with 
> you when you’d leave!  You’d have Mixte withdrawal symptoms for a week 
> until it shows up in NV 
> > 
> > I’d probably fly in to make my purchase decision and it would be so cool 
> to go on rides with others from the board!!  They would all come out to 
> visit with you. 
> > 
> > Roberta 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone 
> > 
> >> On May 9, 2019, at 4:46 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com > wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Back to the Anniversary Mixte again. I have all these plans and ideas 
> for/about this bike, and one of them was that a bunch of us could arrange 
> to pick up our bikes on the same day and do a group ride and take group 
> photos, and wouldn’t we be darling? 
> >> 
> >> But it occurs to me that if out-of-staters pick up their bikes at 
> Rivendell, we may have to pay CA sales tax. Does anyone know for sure? If I 
> pay with my credit card via phone or website, and I pick up the bike in 
> person, do I have to pay sales tax? That would be hundreds of dollars, I 
> would imagine... 
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Re: [RBW] Dynamo lights

[REC (Roberta)]

I'm not an accountant and this is not accounting advice...  Perhaps there 
is a CA accountant here.  I work with accounting software, so it's not an 
unfamiliar topic to me and I'm not an expert, but then again, I'm not an 
accountant and this is not accounting advice...  :)

My understanding is that it is the delivery location and nexus (does the 
business has a presence in the delivery state?)  that determines the sales 
tax.  

I'll probably fly in, enjoy the party (hopefully we'd have one) and then 
have the bike sent to PA.  Or I'd buy it from the "sort of local" RIV 
dealer, 718 Cyclery, save the shipping but pay NY tax instead.  We could do 
a day trip from LV--it would be a short and I think inexpensive flight.  9 
hour car trip is a LONG trip.  But, you think you'd be able to tear 
yourself away from your new baby to save $500?  I bet you could get them to 
ship your bike out right after you leave, so you wouldn't need to wait to 
long for the reunion.

No matter what you decide, it will be FUN, I'm sure!


On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 8:26:06 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Roberta, I’m sure you know, but is there really no loophole? NV billing 
> address, paid over the internet but picked up in person - still stuck with 
> the tax? 
>
> I cannot imagine making the trek to CA (it’s 9 hours to drive!) and not 
> coming home with the AM either. It’s going to be pretty expensive though; I 
> may need to forego the Riv experience and save like $500, plus travel 
> expenses. But, it IS the Anniversary Bike, and maybe there’s an Anniversary 
> Party, and can you really afford to miss THAT? Anyway, you and I are a 
> pair. I’ll probably copy what you do. 😜 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Dynamo lights

[Leah Peterson]

Roberta, I’m sure you know, but is there really no loophole? NV billing 
address, paid over the internet but picked up in person - still stuck with the 
tax?

I cannot imagine making the trek to CA (it’s 9 hours to drive!) and not coming 
home with the AM either. It’s going to be pretty expensive though; I may need 
to forego the Riv experience and save like $500, plus travel expenses. But, it 
IS the Anniversary Bike, and maybe there’s an Anniversary Party, and can you 
really afford to miss THAT? Anyway, you and I are a pair. I’ll probably copy 
what you do. 😜

Sent from my iPad

> On May 9, 2019, at 2:04 PM, REC  wrote:
> 
> If you purchase your bike or take delivery physically in ca you will need to 
> pay sales tax. If you order it online and you have it ship to you, you will 
> only pay sales tax if they have an employee in NV. 
> 
> I cannot imagine  you seeing and riding it in CA and not taking it with you 
> when you’d leave!  You’d have Mixte withdrawal symptoms for a week until it 
> shows up in NV
> 
> I’d probably fly in to make my purchase decision and it would be so cool to 
> go on rides with others from the board!!  They would all come out to 
> visit with you. 
> 
> Roberta
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 9, 2019, at 4:46 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Back to the Anniversary Mixte again. I have all these plans and ideas 
>> for/about this bike, and one of them was that a bunch of us could arrange to 
>> pick up our bikes on the same day and do a group ride and take group photos, 
>> and wouldn’t we be darling? 
>> 
>> But it occurs to me that if out-of-staters pick up their bikes at Rivendell, 
>> we may have to pay CA sales tax. Does anyone know for sure? If I pay with my 
>> credit card via phone or website, and I pick up the bike in person, do I 
>> have to pay sales tax? That would be hundreds of dollars, I would imagine...
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Dynamo lights

[Leah Peterson]

Pretty much true. This might all be a ploy to get someone to put my bike 
together for me for free. 😬

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> On May 9, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
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> I'm down for this! I'll do that thing all mechanics do where I explain a 
> thing with "You just do this and this, and it's all good", then Leah will 
> look at me like, "Yeah that didn't make any sense at all." Hilarity will 
> ensue! 🤣
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Re: [RBW] Dynamo lights

[Joe Bernard]

I'm down for this! I'll do that thing all mechanics do where I explain a thing 
with "You just do this and this, and it's all good", then Leah will look at me 
like, "Yeah that didn't make any sense at all." Hilarity will ensue! 🤣

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Re: [RBW] Dynamo lights

[Leah Peterson]

Ryan! You may have just arrived at the very best idea EVER. I’ve got room - 
ship all the Anniversary Mixtes to me! You guys will show me how to be a 
mechanic, then we will take our first ride on our fleet of AMs together. I will 
torture you on Killer Hill (pray it is not summer) and we will come home, you 
all can swim or soak in the spa and I’ll cook. At some point, coffee. For sure, 
dessert. 

This lights up all the pleasure centers in my brain! Everyone will be 
interviewed. We will submit it for publication to the Rivendell Reader. We will 
start a revolution and red and cream Anniversary Mixtes will dot the US map. 
And NONE of us will pay sales tax.

I can see it. Surely it will work out. 
Does Rivendell even read this stuff?
Leah

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> On May 9, 2019, at 3:16 PM, 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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> Bicycle Belle Ding Dong (Leah),
> I think you should put them all on your credit card, have them sent to your 
> garage in Nevada.  We can all show up with our cash to reimburse you; we will 
> open them all together like it’s Xmas morning.  
> Next we can have an assembly party and give basic mechanical lessons to those 
> interested; then we can ride your amazing hills and discuss how barre classes 
> give you an unfair advantage.  Then you can write your beautiful prose about 
> these amazing true mixte bikes to make all those who don’t buy one or join us 
> jealous like no other. 
> Just let us know the date!
> Ryan “road trip ready” Hankinson
> West Michigan
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Re: [RBW] Dynamo lights

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bicycle Belle Ding Dong (Leah),
I think you should put them all on your credit card, have them sent to your 
garage in Nevada.  We can all show up with our cash to reimburse you; we will 
open them all together like it’s Xmas morning.  
Next we can have an assembly party and give basic mechanical lessons to those 
interested; then we can ride your amazing hills and discuss how barre classes 
give you an unfair advantage.  Then you can write your beautiful prose about 
these amazing true mixte bikes to make all those who don’t buy one or join us 
jealous like no other. 
Just let us know the date!
Ryan “road trip ready” Hankinson
West Michigan

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Re: [RBW] Dynamo lights

[REC]

If you purchase your bike or take delivery physically in ca you will need to 
pay sales tax. If you order it online and you have it ship to you, you will 
only pay sales tax if they have an employee in NV. 

I cannot imagine  you seeing and riding it in CA and not taking it with you 
when you’d leave!  You’d have Mixte withdrawal symptoms for a week until it 
shows up in NV

I’d probably fly in to make my purchase decision and it would be so cool to go 
on rides with others from the board!!  They would all come out to visit 
with you. 

Roberta

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> Back to the Anniversary Mixte again. I have all these plans and ideas 
> for/about this bike, and one of them was that a bunch of us could arrange to 
> pick up our bikes on the same day and do a group ride and take group photos, 
> and wouldn’t we be darling? 
> 
> But it occurs to me that if out-of-staters pick up their bikes at Rivendell, 
> we may have to pay CA sales tax. Does anyone know for sure? If I pay with my 
> credit card via phone or website, and I pick up the bike in person, do I have 
> to pay sales tax? That would be hundreds of dollars, I would imagine...
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Re: [RBW] Dynamo lights

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Back to the Anniversary Mixte again. I have all these plans and ideas for/about 
this bike, and one of them was that a bunch of us could arrange to pick up our 
bikes on the same day and do a group ride and take group photos, and wouldn’t 
we be darling? 

But it occurs to me that if out-of-staters pick up their bikes at Rivendell, we 
may have to pay CA sales tax. Does anyone know for sure? If I pay with my 
credit card via phone or website, and I pick up the bike in person, do I have 
to pay sales tax? That would be hundreds of dollars, I would imagine...

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Re: [RBW] Dynamo lights

[Peter White]

Schmidt, Busch & Müller and Supernova all say that the Velogical dynamo
should not be used with their lights and such use will void the warrantee
on their lights. The Velogical produces too much power at high speeds and
can damage lights built to work with normal dynamos such as the SON,
Shimano, Panasonic, etc.

Peter White

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 2:17 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I much prefer dynamo hubs to any other system I've used, but others who
> don't want the cost or expense of dynamo hubs and who don't ride long
> distances at night might consider bottle and bb-area dynamos. I've only
> used (a) cheap Union and Sanyo bottles and (b) very expensive, top-end 12 v
> bottle. The former do indeed drag; consider that you are riding into a 12
> mph headwind, or up a slight grade; gear down 1 tooth. The 12 volt dragged
> very little but is not relevant. The old Sanyo bb-area dynamos are still
> available from time to time on ebay and on lists and they drag less if you
> use a smooth tire. Both bottles and bb dynamos will power a modern led lamp
> very nicely; I used a bb dynamo on the folder until I finally swapped in a
> hub dynamo.
>
> Velogical makes a rim-driven "bottle" that puts out less power but puts
> out enough for most modern LED headlights; and it is very light and drags
> little from what I have read.
>
> Patrick Moore who has 3 bikes of 4 with hub dynamos but who is saving his
> bb generator just in case.
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Re: [RBW] Dynamo lights

[Patrick Moore]

I much prefer dynamo hubs to any other system I've used, but others who
don't want the cost or expense of dynamo hubs and who don't ride long
distances at night might consider bottle and bb-area dynamos. I've only
used (a) cheap Union and Sanyo bottles and (b) very expensive, top-end 12 v
bottle. The former do indeed drag; consider that you are riding into a 12
mph headwind, or up a slight grade; gear down 1 tooth. The 12 volt dragged
very little but is not relevant. The old Sanyo bb-area dynamos are still
available from time to time on ebay and on lists and they drag less if you
use a smooth tire. Both bottles and bb dynamos will power a modern led lamp
very nicely; I used a bb dynamo on the folder until I finally swapped in a
hub dynamo.

Velogical makes a rim-driven "bottle" that puts out less power but puts out
enough for most modern LED headlights; and it is very light and drags
little from what I have read.

Patrick Moore who has 3 bikes of 4 with hub dynamos but who is saving his
bb generator just in case.

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[RBW] Dynamo lights

[Madam Xylene]

All four of my bikes have dynamo hubs. When I got my Cheviot I initially had 
battery lights which were ok but I kept spacing out on recharging or being out 
later and darker than I planned. No worries with the dynamo AND it’s worth 
having lights and the extra visibility when riding in shady canyons during 
daytime. Even opted to have rear dynamo light.
Eileen 

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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Lights

[John McBurney]

I somewhat misadvisably decided to open the light to see whether it even
was an LED or incandescent. It has a single LED. The lens is truly
impressive but devishly difficult to get back in with the correct
orientation. Right now it’s together but the lens is vertical. I think it
projected down and was effective enough before I flipped it upside down.
That was partly aesthetic and partly because at the end of a big old Nitto
Campee rack it was getting the crap beat of it and I had to retap the
housing to m4 to keep it on the mount. Flipped it was doomed with the first
rain but a little out of harms way.

I remain impressed - awed- by the depth of knowledge in this group. 🙏🏻
Namaste.

John

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 2:23 PM Peter White  wrote:

> The Supernova Triple and the early E3 headlights were just round beams,
> not well suited for use in traffic. But starting around 2008 or so they
> began to offer the E3 in a "low beam" version. That's when I started
> importing them. The Triple is a fine headlight for riding single track. The
> original E3 wasn't much good for anything, as the beam was narrow, far too
> narrow for use on single track. So the OP's E3 may or may not have a round
> beam. If it does, it's best he replace it with a modern headlight. If it
> has a "low beam" design, the only advantage to replacing it with the
> current E3 would be that they are a fair bit brighter. But for relatively
> flat roads in an urban setting, the older "low beam" type is a fine
> headlight. I'd just keep using it.
>
> If he does decide to replace it, the Supernova taillights from that time
> are compatible with modern Supernova headlights. But not with anything
> else. So if you opt for any other brand of headlight, you'll need to
> replace the taillight as well.
>
> Peter White
>
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 12:34 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> The only quibble I would have with the Supernova is that it has what I
>> would call an “American” beam pattern, which is basically a cone of light
>> that shines equally up, down, and side to side. All of the quality lights
>> out of Europe (think Edeluxe) have a cutoff pattern that shines down on the
>> road and to the sides, but not up (like the headlights on your car). A lot
>> of the power of the Supernova is wasted shining up to the sky (and into the
>> eyes of oncoming motorists and cyclists).
>>
>> A friend has one, though, and likes it. He’s fond of the feature that
>> turns the three LEDs on in sequence as your speed increases.
>>
>> I have Edeluxe on four bikes, IQ-X on two. All work very well—light years
>> (pun intended) better than the incandescent headlight I used for
>> randonneuring and PBP in 2007.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyonly...@me.com
>> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 9:29 AM, Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>
>> I suggest reading up on Peter White Cycles webpage. Supernovas have a
>> good reputation. I don’t think the E3 is as old as the bike.
>> There are not many dynamo tail lamps that are good for daytime compared
>> to modern battery strobe lights. Strobe tail lights aren’t allowed in some
>> countries in Europe so don’t find dynamo light equivalents.
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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Lights

[Peter White]

The Supernova Triple and the early E3 headlights were just round beams, not
well suited for use in traffic. But starting around 2008 or so they began
to offer the E3 in a "low beam" version. That's when I started importing
them. The Triple is a fine headlight for riding single track. The original
E3 wasn't much good for anything, as the beam was narrow, far too narrow
for use on single track. So the OP's E3 may or may not have a round beam.
If it does, it's best he replace it with a modern headlight. If it has a
"low beam" design, the only advantage to replacing it with the current E3
would be that they are a fair bit brighter. But for relatively flat roads
in an urban setting, the older "low beam" type is a fine headlight. I'd
just keep using it.

If he does decide to replace it, the Supernova taillights from that time
are compatible with modern Supernova headlights. But not with anything
else. So if you opt for any other brand of headlight, you'll need to
replace the taillight as well.

Peter White

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 12:34 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The only quibble I would have with the Supernova is that it has what I
> would call an “American” beam pattern, which is basically a cone of light
> that shines equally up, down, and side to side. All of the quality lights
> out of Europe (think Edeluxe) have a cutoff pattern that shines down on the
> road and to the sides, but not up (like the headlights on your car). A lot
> of the power of the Supernova is wasted shining up to the sky (and into the
> eyes of oncoming motorists and cyclists).
>
> A friend has one, though, and likes it. He’s fond of the feature that
> turns the three LEDs on in sequence as your speed increases.
>
> I have Edeluxe on four bikes, IQ-X on two. All work very well—light years
> (pun intended) better than the incandescent headlight I used for
> randonneuring and PBP in 2007.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
> On Mar 31, 2019, at 9:29 AM, Tom Wyland  wrote:
>
> I suggest reading up on Peter White Cycles webpage. Supernovas have a good
> reputation. I don’t think the E3 is as old as the bike.
> There are not many dynamo tail lamps that are good for daytime compared to
> modern battery strobe lights. Strobe tail lights aren’t allowed in some
> countries in Europe so don’t find dynamo light equivalents.
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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Lights

[John McBurney]

Thank you so much for the discussion.

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 12:34 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The only quibble I would have with the Supernova is that it has what I
> would call an “American” beam pattern, which is basically a cone of light
> that shines equally up, down, and side to side. All of the quality lights
> out of Europe (think Edeluxe) have a cutoff pattern that shines down on the
> road and to the sides, but not up (like the headlights on your car). A lot
> of the power of the Supernova is wasted shining up to the sky (and into the
> eyes of oncoming motorists and cyclists).
>
> A friend has one, though, and likes it. He’s fond of the feature that
> turns the three LEDs on in sequence as your speed increases.
>
> I have Edeluxe on four bikes, IQ-X on two. All work very well—light years
> (pun intended) better than the incandescent headlight I used for
> randonneuring and PBP in 2007.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
> On Mar 31, 2019, at 9:29 AM, Tom Wyland  wrote:
>
> I suggest reading up on Peter White Cycles webpage. Supernovas have a good
> reputation. I don’t think the E3 is as old as the bike.
> There are not many dynamo tail lamps that are good for daytime compared to
> modern battery strobe lights. Strobe tail lights aren’t allowed in some
> countries in Europe so don’t find dynamo light equivalents.
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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Lights

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The only quibble I would have with the Supernova is that it has what I would 
call an “American” beam pattern, which is basically a cone of light that shines 
equally up, down, and side to side. All of the quality lights out of Europe 
(think Edeluxe) have a cutoff pattern that shines down on the road and to the 
sides, but not up (like the headlights on your car). A lot of the power of the 
Supernova is wasted shining up to the sky (and into the eyes of oncoming 
motorists and cyclists).

A friend has one, though, and likes it. He’s fond of the feature that turns the 
three LEDs on in sequence as your speed increases.

I have Edeluxe on four bikes, IQ-X on two. All work very well—light years (pun 
intended) better than the incandescent headlight I used for randonneuring and 
PBP in 2007.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

> On Mar 31, 2019, at 9:29 AM, Tom Wyland  wrote:
> 
> I suggest reading up on Peter White Cycles webpage. Supernovas have a good 
> reputation. I don’t think the E3 is as old as the bike.
> There are not many dynamo tail lamps that are good for daytime compared to 
> modern battery strobe lights. Strobe tail lights aren’t allowed in some 
> countries in Europe so don’t find dynamo light equivalents. 
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[RBW] Dynamo Lights

[Tom Wyland]

I suggest reading up on Peter White Cycles webpage. Supernovas have a good 
reputation. I don’t think the E3 is as old as the bike.
There are not many dynamo tail lamps that are good for daytime compared to 
modern battery strobe lights. Strobe tail lights aren’t allowed in some 
countries in Europe so don’t find dynamo light equivalents. 

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[RBW] Dynamo Lights

[mcburnjow]

I have a question. I recently acquired a lovely Bombadil with a SON dynamo 
front hub and Supernova E3 front and rear light. The bike is circa 2008 and so 
I assume is the light. I really like having a dynamo light. I have a *lot* of 
battery powered lights as I cycle year round night or day. In researching this 
light, I gather that Supernova is well regarded. If I order a bright dynamo 
light like the Busch and muller IQ-X will I see significant increase in 
performance? 

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[RBW] Dynamo Lights - Sinewave, IQX, Schmidt?

[nathaniel nichols]

I have both a B&M IQ-x and B&M Luxos U on my two main rando bikes. I like the 
Luxos for very long road rides to charge Garmin or phones/devices while riding 
during the day and let the lamp work alone at night. It can definitely charge 
and run the light at the same time tho. Another great feature of the Luxos is 
the switch mounted on the handlebar, you can turn light on/off or change the 
mode of the lamp without having to reach down near the spokes and also if you 
need to change different charging wires it can be done from the handlebars area 
where the usb dock is. One or two downsides are that it's a big light, so when 
I mount it on one side of a rack I can tell there's extra weight tracking that 
way, so like most dyno headlights were designed I mounted over the front wheel 
on the front of my rack, this puts it in a vulnerable position and I actually 
fell on some trail once and broke the outer casing of the light, luckily I 
wasn't riding at night. This isn't really a problem tho if you mount it to the 
center hole on the fork crown if youre rackless.


 On the IQ-x is my bike I use for longer mixed terrain events, which flickers 
more at low speeds but doesn't bother me because I can still see where I'm 
going. With both of these lights I pair it with a high quality Coast brand head 
torch mounted to my helmet, this is good for reading cue sheets or street signs 
in the dark. Also good for tight single track etc. But just be cautious you 
don't blind anybody around you, I usually ride alone so..  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  

I haven't used the other 2 lights you mentioned 

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[RBW] Dynamo Lights - Sinewave, IQX, Schmidt?

[Lum Gim Fong]

All I can say is my hanging edeluxe ii dont look anywhere near as bright as the 
vendors’ online pics show. Works great though and bright enough. Just not as 
bright and uniform as pics show.
IQX is on my radar for next light.

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[RBW] Dynamo Lights - Sinewave, IQX, Schmidt?

[Chris Corral]

Winter approaches, and as summer wastes away so do our hours of sunlight!

I am looking to outfit my new bike with a tour-worthy lamp and am wondering 
if anyone has direct experience or opinions between the B&M IQ-x, Schmidt 
Edlux II, and the new Sinewave Beacon (Bacon?). I have personally owned the 
IQ-X and taken it on tours across Colorado, New Mexico, old Mexico, and 
Western Europe. Through rain, wind, dust and shine it performed flawlessly 
and I would buy it again. But I am interested in the USB charging 
capabilities and potential performance benefits of the Beacon or Schmidt. I 
also know those two have better standlights, with the Sinewave able to run 
on a battery cache. My riding is a healthy mix of on/off road, with tours 
gravitating towards off-road. I will also use this light on my tandem.

I guess I have two questions. 
1) Are the Schmidt and Sinewave worth the price premium over the IQ-X? 
2) How is the new Sinewave Beacon anyway?

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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Lights and Theft

[Michael Williams]

Sorry about your light getting stolen,   anything stolen off of your bike
feels personal.   My antitheft device is a ball bearing and some Gorilla
Glue in the hex head.   The glue sets pretty hard,  and Ive tried getting
it out myself as if I were a thief.   To actually get it out,  I have to
heat it up a bit with a lighter or any heat source I would imagine.  If i
were out riding and I needed to adjust my saddle or something on my light,
 Id be a bit out of luck.   My thing is to just deter someone from stealing
things off your bike because it might take too long.Maybe its stopped
someone before,  or maybe Ive just been really luck.   Sorry about your
light.   -Mike


On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Minh  wrote:

> Gosh, that stinks, this is a fear of mine as i have an edelux and a
> supernova and like you i ride my bike to normal places like the doctor,
> store etc.  It truly sucks, and there are a few things you can do to ward
> this off (use security bolts instead of normal allen ones, stick wax or
> glue in the bolt heads to make it harder to undo).  But nothing is 100%
> fool-proof if someone really wants it.
>
> But in the end, we can't live in fear and our bikes are made to be
> used/enjoyed, so don't let this dissuade you from replacing it and riding
> on!
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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Lights and Theft

[Minh]

Gosh, that stinks, this is a fear of mine as i have an edelux and a supernova 
and like you i ride my bike to normal places like the doctor, store etc.  It 
truly sucks, and there are a few things you can do to ward this off (use 
security bolts instead of normal allen ones, stick wax or glue in the bolt 
heads to make it harder to undo).  But nothing is 100% fool-proof if someone 
really wants it.

But in the end, we can't live in fear and our bikes are made to be 
used/enjoyed, so don't let this dissuade you from replacing it and riding on!

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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Lights and Theft

[Alex Zeibot]

That sucks!  Sorry to hear about that.  Well, here in Twin Cities,
Minnesota as soon as new mandatory bike lights law enacted; no functioning
lights on your bike during dark hours, you will be fined $190!  That to the
raise of light thefts.  Therefore, I had my lights affixed to my helmet and
my messenger bag instead.


On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> I came out of my Dr appointment today to find the 5 zip ties holding the
> wire connecting my dynamo hub to my light removed and the wire dangling.
> It's just a cheap IQ Fly.
>
> Is light theft like this common? It was on a busy street in daylight. An
> Acorn bag was left alone.
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[RBW] Dynamo Lights and Theft

[Ryan Ray]

I came out of my Dr appointment today to find the 5 zip ties holding the 
wire connecting my dynamo hub to my light removed and the wire dangling. 
It's just a cheap IQ Fly.

Is light theft like this common? It was on a busy street in daylight. An 
Acorn bag was left alone.


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