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['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Lovely, Ana! Thank you. Should I ever need the bus with my bike, I pray the 
same is true!

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Re: [RBW] Has Anyone Rinko'd Their Riv? - Follow Up on Yesterday's Rivendell Email

[Ana Candela]

Hi Patrick,

That’s the way it’s done on buses, at least here in the NW, so no convincing to 
be done ;)  I do try to be the first in line when the luggage doors open, so I 
can slide the bike in first, and then everyone can put their bags around it.

-Ana

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Re: [RBW] Has Anyone Rinko'd Their Riv? - Follow Up on Yesterday's Rivendell Email

['Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick, you brute.  Perhaps the major users of the Rinko MKS are not, 
shall we say, as aggressive in their application.  Though the very idea 
that a pedal can come off without a pedal wrench is so enticing.  

Steve Seelig

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 8:39:16 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> One lad's (my) experience with the Rinko MKS Urban pedals is that within a 
> few months of fixed gear mountain riding I destroyed the attachment bearing 
> so there a large amount of play in the pedal. Standard MKS Urban pedals 
> have held up to a considerable amount of abuse and I am using them on my 
> Gus Boots Willsen as adventure pedals (with MKS toe cage). At least for the 
> riding and torque I love my pedals with, I would just remove my pedals if 
> needed via the allen wrench. Quick, easy, painless. (Worth noting: MKS was 
> great on replacing the pedals ... excellent customer service!).
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Has Anyone Rinko'd Their Riv? - Follow Up on Yesterday's Rivendell Email

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

One lad's (my) experience with the Rinko MKS Urban pedals is that within a few 
months of fixed gear mountain riding I destroyed the attachment bearing so 
there a large amount of play in the pedal. Standard MKS Urban pedals have held 
up to a considerable amount of abuse and I am using them on my Gus Boots 
Willsen as adventure pedals (with MKS toe cage). At least for the riding and 
torque I love my pedals with, I would just remove my pedals if needed via the 
allen wrench. Quick, easy, painless. (Worth noting: MKS was great on replacing 
the pedals ... excellent customer service!).

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Has Anyone Rinko'd Their Riv? - Follow Up on Yesterday's Rivendell Email

['Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch]

As OP, it is so cool what happens when you spend time away from the 
keyboard.  The goal here is to walk on with the bike, stuff it in the front 
part of the car on the top shelf, get off the train and ride away.  So no 
bike box.

I'm familiar with Amtrak east coast bike transit, and they are very fussy 
about which trains can load bikes.  It is basically the through trains like 
the Vermonter that have a bike car that is combined with the baggage car, 
so it you do it once a year like Bob K, and plan way in advance, it works. 
And those trains have odd hours and at most 4 bikes per train.  Most trains 
don't have em.  Hence the question.  I will say that if you want to take a 
train to Baltimore from DC, every MARC train now has bike hangers, probably 
much like on the West Coaster.  Baltimore is great, "prettiest place on 
earth", but I want more (pun sorta).  Check out Streets of Baltimore 
 by Gram Parsons.  So sad.

Bromptons are great.  We rented them in London - got em out of a box at the 
train station.  But I am at bike limit with wife and all.  To digress, when 
I told her I was getting a tandem bike for me and junior, she fatefully 
asked me the wrong question: "where will you put it."  "the garage has 
plenty of room," I said, and "you only get one question and you neglected 
to ask if I really need another bike."  She probably won't make the same 
mistake twice.

Steve P, right you are about the fender issue.  I'd need to get rid of the 
plastic SKS and get metal ones.  I have the cable disconnects on my S 
bike and like those fine.  They never seem to get out of tune for shifting 
and brakes are less finicky and work.  

Sounds like the major investment would be the headset and the removable 
pedals - thanks for the resource recommendations on those that I am 
checking out now.  Great to have so much knowledge (and opinions) in one 
spot.

Steve Seelig



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> Wow, Ana! Fantastic. Tips for convincing them to let me do this should I 
> ever need it?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Has Anyone Rinko'd Their Riv? - Follow Up on Yesterday's Rivendell Email

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wow, Ana! Fantastic. Tips for convincing them to let me do this should I ever 
need it?

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Has Anyone Rinko'd Their Riv? - Follow Up on Yesterday's Rivendell Email

[Ana Candela]

I don’t pack my bike for bus travel; I just slide it in. A few examples:
https://instagram.com/p/BY2c7DjjJ3q/
https://instagram.com/p/BomgspMBEZ4/
https://instagram.com/p/BonNCYThyeG/

More examples of trains, buses, cars: #multimodaltraveling

-Ana

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Re: [RBW] Has Anyone Rinko'd Their Riv? - Follow Up on Yesterday's Rivendell Email

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On 5/25/19 1:57 PM, Ana Candela wrote:

Hi Steve,

I love traveling by train, but next week I’m headed to Portland and chose the 
bus instead: while less comfortable than the train, it’s cheaper, more frequent 
departures, no bike surcharge, and my bike slides sideways in the baggage 
compartment below.



How do you pack your bike for bus travel?

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[RBW] Has Anyone Rinko'd Their Riv? - Follow Up on Yesterday's Rivendell Email

[Ana Candela]

Hi Steve,

I did a home practice a while ago but have not applied it yet out there in the 
field. Check out my IG post: https://instagram.com/p/BfcuunNDPHe/. This is not 
quite Rinko because I had my bike fully disassembled while servicing. Also 
check hashtags #rinkobike and #rinkobag for others' posts. I’m doing another 
test later today or tomorrow while servicing my bike and will surely posts more 
pics.

About Amtrak: I’ve had good experiences, but also very bad ones. Twice I’ve 
come to find my bike dropped on the floor —with the corresponding scruffs >:-( 
Thankfully no dings though.
A few things to consider: there are limited spots; check if there’s a surcharge 
in your area; here in the NW it’s $5 each way, hey, but you can check two 50-lb 
suitcases for free! You must unload all your bags and panniers from it: once 
they made me unnattach my EMPTY saddlesack! Another time I came to find out a 
passenger sleeping in the luggage compartment! And lastly, this is a personal 
preference, I don’t like the idea of my bike hanging from a hook with all the 
weight on a small spot of the rim. Sorry to sound so bitter about it, YMMV.

I love traveling by train, but next week I’m headed to Portland and chose the 
bus instead: while less comfortable than the train, it’s cheaper, more frequent 
departures, no bike surcharge, and my bike slides sideways in the baggage 
compartment below.

Have fun with rinkoing your bike! The link posted by Ed above is a great 
resource, and there’s a more recent article on it in BQ #67 p. 24 for extra 
Rinko indulgence ;)

-Ana

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[Bob K.]

I take the Vermonter train from Brattleboro to Baltimore every summer after my 
annual VT bikepacking jaunt. I always use the roll-on service. First year I 
even squeezed my Troll’s 26x3” tires (barely) with minimal deflation in the 
hook. Sidenote: Packed the frame bag with about 24 beers that are available in 
VT and nowhere else. When I got off the train, the ride home was a bit harder 
than it would’ve been without the beers, but I was pretty satisfied a couple 
hours later.

I digress, but in sum: I highly recommend Amtrak’s roll-on service.

Bob K. in Baltimore

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[Sean Kline]

I, too, have been wondering about Rinkoing my Sam.  If you’re flying, don’t you 
still need a hardshell to protect a Rinkoed bike?

Bill: re: Santa Barbara train adventure, now you just reserve a bike space when 
purchasing your train ticket and hand your bike to a baggage handler before 
boarding the Coast Starlight in Santa Barbara. No box needed, but also no roll 
on service (like the Capitol Corridor). I’m biking Ventura-Ojai-Santa Barbara 
next weekend before training back to Emeryville.

Sean

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[tc]

Can you say Brompton?!

Tom

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[Takashi]

Here's my rinko'ed Hunqapillar.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/10327422873/

Shifters are on downtube, making it easier to rinko.
Cantilever brakes, which is easier than sidepulls, though I think you can 
manage it with sidepulls.
Rear fender is not splitted; I just take the whole thing off.

Takashi

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Re: [RBW] Has Anyone Rinko'd Their Riv? - Follow Up on Yesterday's Rivendell Email

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bill:

If you take the Coast Starlight home, they have limited space on board for 
bikes, with no need to disassemble anything. Reserve ahead of time—a bike space 
costs $20.

If they run out of bike spaces (basically, hooks that the bikes hang from in 
the baggage car), you’ll need to put the bike in a box. Amtrak will sell you 
one; you’ll need to remove the pedals and rotate the bars, but other than that 
your bike should just roll in (the boxes are huge). You can also supply your 
own box. There’s a charge for putting your bike on board in a box, as I recall.

P.S. I’ll be doing my annual ride down the coast in a month. My friend and I 
are riding to SLO and taking the train back from there. The Coast Starlight is 
a wonderful train—best part of the route is north of Santa Barbara, which we 
will unfortunately miss.

--Eric Norris
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> On May 24, 2019, at 10:22 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> Mostly Amtrak is ro-ro or big boxes, remove your pedals and turn bars.  So 
> Rinko pedals sure wouldn't hurt.
> 
> On 5/24/19 12:45 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>> I think of a Rinko project as a mechanics workstand adventure. Train travel 
>> with your bike is a cycling adventure. I’d recommend pursuing the one you 
>> care about more, but I would bet a dollar that you don’t need to rinko your 
>> ram in order to have a train adventure to NYC.
>> 
>> I’m in a similar boat. My son is about to leave for UCSanta Barbara in the 
>> Fall. I’m planning to annually tour down the coast and Amtrak back home. I 
>> will make sure that my bike is compatible with the services Amtrak offers. I 
>> do have the rinko concept worked out for my Hillborne if it is required.
>> 
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito Ca
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Has Anyone Rinko'd Their Riv? - Follow Up on Yesterday's Rivendell Email

[Steve Palincsar]

Mostly Amtrak is ro-ro or big boxes, remove your pedals and turn bars.  
So Rinko pedals sure wouldn't hurt.


On 5/24/19 12:45 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

I think of a Rinko project as a mechanics workstand adventure. Train travel 
with your bike is a cycling adventure. I’d recommend pursuing the one you care 
about more, but I would bet a dollar that you don’t need to rinko your ram in 
order to have a train adventure to NYC.

I’m in a similar boat. My son is about to leave for UCSanta Barbara in the 
Fall. I’m planning to annually tour down the coast and Amtrak back home. I will 
make sure that my bike is compatible with the services Amtrak offers. I do have 
the rinko concept worked out for my Hillborne if it is required.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca


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[Bill Lindsay]

I think of a Rinko project as a mechanics workstand adventure. Train travel 
with your bike is a cycling adventure. I’d recommend pursuing the one you care 
about more, but I would bet a dollar that you don’t need to rinko your ram in 
order to have a train adventure to NYC. 

I’m in a similar boat. My son is about to leave for UCSanta Barbara in the 
Fall. I’m planning to annually tour down the coast and Amtrak back home. I will 
make sure that my bike is compatible with the services Amtrak offers. I do have 
the rinko concept worked out for my Hillborne if it is required. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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Re: [RBW] Has Anyone Rinko'd Their Riv? - Follow Up on Yesterday's Rivendell Email

[Steve Palincsar]

Some questions.  Do you have fenders?  If so, they need to be dealt 
with.  The "ideal" solution for Honjo type rear fender is to split it up 
at the brake bridge with a connector tab.  If you don't have one move on.


What kind of shifters?  If you have downtube shifters you're already 
there.  Bar ends or brifters, you need to find a way to separate the 
shift cables so that you can remove bar and stem.  If you are using 
downtube shifter boss cable stops the IRD QR stop will help, and you'll 
need cable splitters on the shifter cables.


Cartridge headset?  Good.  Learn how to undo it and put it back together 
and readjust it.


I think Rivs already have split cable stops..

Review the "how to rinko" documents to see what you need to do.

On 5/24/19 12:15 PM, 'Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

This is where Bicycle Quarterly and Rivendell come together.

I'm sure many of you are Bicycle Quarterly readers, like me.  I love 
reading especially when their travels involve a Rinko'd bike when they 
take the Japanese bullet train to some far off part of the country and 
snap the bike together once they get off the train - viola.  But those 
bikes seem built specifically for that use, and there is little chance 
my wife is going to let me head to Japan and purchase a custom built 
one for my use.  But I am intrigued since I live in DC and Amtrak to 
other cities actually is doable.


BTW: I already have a non-Riv S coupled Spectrum bike that I take on 
plane rides, but that is pain to pack and unpack and then what to do 
with the suitcase on a short trip.


So yesterday's email got me thinking: Why can't I Rinko my Ram and 
take it to NYC next time I travel?  So rather than do actually 
research, I thought I'd ask if folks here have done that, what parts 
do they use, what are the challenges, and exactly how cool is it to 
have a Rinko'able bike?


Thanks for any responses.

Steve Seelig


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[RBW] Has Anyone Rinko'd Their Riv? - Follow Up on Yesterday's Rivendell Email

['Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch]

This is where Bicycle Quarterly and Rivendell come together. 

I'm sure many of you are Bicycle Quarterly readers, like me.  I love 
reading especially when their travels involve a Rinko'd bike when they take 
the Japanese bullet train to some far off part of the country and snap the 
bike together once they get off the train - viola.  But those bikes seem 
built specifically for that use, and there is little chance my wife is 
going to let me head to Japan and purchase a custom built one for my use.  
But I am intrigued since I live in DC and Amtrak to other cities actually 
is doable.

BTW: I already have a non-Riv S coupled Spectrum bike that I take on 
plane rides, but that is pain to pack and unpack and then what to do with 
the suitcase on a short trip.

So yesterday's email got me thinking: Why can't I Rinko my Ram and take it 
to NYC next time I travel?  So rather than do actually research, I thought 
I'd ask if folks here have done that, what parts do they use, what are the 
challenges, and exactly how cool is it to have a Rinko'able bike?

Thanks for any responses.

Steve Seelig


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