Re: [RBW] How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?

2014-05-06 Thread Tim McNamara
I drive a 1990 Volvo 240 with 254,000 or so on it.  My wife drives a 1993 Volvo 
240 wagon with ~220,000 on it and she has a 1972 Volkswagen bus for fun.  I am 
pondering eventual replacement with an electric vehicle.

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Re: [RBW] How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?

2014-05-06 Thread Eric Norris
I'll also be in the market for my second Element at some point. 115,000 miles 
on mine, and still going strong. 

For those who haven't driven one, the Element is somewhat unique among small 
SUVs in that you can roll a full-sized bike into it without taking the wheels 
off. Two bikes fit inside easily; you can fit three bikes and riders with a 
little doing. Changing into/out of bike clothes is also facilitated by the 
height of the cabin, and in a pinch you can fold the seats into a sort of lumpy 
bed. All this, and the inside is also easy to clean (but don't take a hose to 
it -- that's an urban legend).

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
campyonlyguy.blogspot.com

On May 6, 2014, at 7:30 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote:

 I like to think my bike and car preferences are well-aligned... I go for 
 functional, practical, comfortable, fun... 
 I'm on my second Element, and (since it has been discontinued) I'm always on 
 the lookout for the 'next' one with low miles to drive for the next 10 years 
 (unless something better comes along... NAH... not likely)... 
 
 
 
 
 On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:47:34 PM UTC-4, Tom Virgil wrote:
 If you are going to say I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an 
 automobile, God bless you.  Seriously.
 
 But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of 
 those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme, 
 logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there.  As 
 with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through standard outlets.
 
 Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or Sam 
 Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this.
 
 
 
 Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself).  I heard that 
 the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to propane, so 
 perhaps that helps with fuel costs.
 
 There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar.  The Hummer 
 would be much too yesterday's trendy.  To hades with the cost of fuel or 
 effort.  It must be a Dodge Power Wagon.
 
 
 
 This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized manual 
 transmission.  Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we?
 
 Betty Foy and Cheviot are more subtle.  They demonstrate a certain amount of 
 class and an attitude of nonchalance about girl's bike/boy's bike.  They are 
 nevertheless robust vehicles.  Not having one, my suggestion would be the 
 following.
 
 
 
 
 
 I can only imagine Vancouver librarians rolling up to the book repositories 
 (or straight through them, if desired) in Canadian state issued editions of 
 these contrivances.
 
 ~Tom
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?

2014-05-06 Thread Tim Gavin
I owned a '78 MGB roadster that could be said to embody some of the old
world/new world straddling design features of a Rivendell.

(picture not mine, but mine was nearly identical.  Mine had a tan interior).



However, that MGB more closely resembles what Raleigh and all of British
industry became by the end of the 70s: a shadow of its former self.  It had
all the mechanical foibles (if it's not leaking oil, it's empty) of any
British car but less of the fun; the power and handling were heavily
comprimised by US crash standards and emissions.  Whereas, Rivendell is a
phoenix rising from the ashes of the traditional US bike industry, not a
compromised last gasp.

It was quite unreliable, but handsome.  My Riv Road is reliable, versatile,
capable, and handsome.

British Racing Green is a great color; I have a Triumph Sprint motorcycle
in that color and would love a deep green Rivendell.  If I ever order a new
Riv, it will be a metallic BRG.

I've also owned an 04 Cadillac CTS-V, a sport sedan with a Corvette V-8 and
6-speed stick.  Lots of fun, but expensive to own.  It resembles my
Rivendell as a MUSA masterpiece, but lacks the old-world touch (unless you
count all Cadillacs as old-world, but this one was pretty modern).  It also
embodied my bike riding style: heavy and fast.

I've given up cars as toys; bikes and motorcycles are better suited and
more economical.  My current car is an 02 Nissan Frontier crew cab pickup.
 It carries my kids, camping gear, a canoe, a bunch of bikes, dirty stuff,
and big stuff just fine.  Sometimes all at once.  It doesn't have the
expressive personality of a Riv, but I bought it for its practicality, not
its character.

If only I could equip the Frontier with a diesel engine the rest of the
world gets.  30mpg in a compact pickup would be awesome.


On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:

 I’ll also be in the market for my second Element at some point. 115,000
 miles on mine, and still going strong.

 For those who haven’t driven one, the Element is somewhat unique among
 small SUVs in that you can roll a full-sized bike into it without taking
 the wheels off. Two bikes fit inside easily; you can fit three bikes and
 riders with a little doing. Changing into/out of bike clothes is also
 facilitated by the height of the cabin, and in a pinch you can fold the
 seats into a sort of lumpy bed. All this, and the inside is also easy to
 clean (but don’t take a hose to it — that’s an urban legend).

 --Eric Norris
 campyonly...@me.com
 www.campyonly.com
 campyonlyguy.blogspot.com

 On May 6, 2014, at 7:30 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I like to think my bike and car preferences are well-aligned... I go for
 functional, practical, comfortable, fun...
 I'm on my second Element, and (since it has been discontinued) I'm always
 on the lookout for the 'next' one with low miles to drive for the next 10
 years (unless something better comes along... NAH... not likely)...


 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-h1ZGAlz4Ll8/U2jxDzI1jeI/Em4/aoAtJ2R-e5g/s1600/Element+on+Ferry.JPG


 On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:47:34 PM UTC-4, Tom Virgil wrote:

 If you are going to say I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an
 automobile, God bless you.  Seriously.

 But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of
 those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme,
 logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there.  As
 with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through standard outlets.

 Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or Sam
 Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this.


 http://bp3.blogger.com/_eMfw8PboF5U/Rzok9A9XD5I/B8g/3-_iCzTeypk/s1600/17_Big+Bertha_1.jpg

 Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself).  I heard
 that the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to
 propane, so perhaps that helps with fuel costs.

 There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar.  The
 Hummer would be much too yesterday's trendy.  To hades with the cost of
 fuel or effort.  It must be a Dodge Power Wagon.

 http://moparplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dodge_power_wagon.jpg

 This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized
 manual transmission.  Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we?

 Betty Foy and Cheviot are more subtle.  They demonstrate a certain amount
 of class and an attitude of nonchalance about girl's bike/boy's bike.  They
 are nevertheless robust vehicles.  Not having one, my suggestion would be
 the following.


 http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Dodge/54_Dodge_Power_Wagon_DV-06_BJ_09.jpg


 I can only imagine Vancouver librarians rolling up to the book
 repositories (or straight through them, if desired) in Canadian state
 issued editions of these contrivances.

 ~Tom






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Re: [RBW] How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?

2014-05-06 Thread Deacon Patrick
I'm right there with you, Tim. My experience of riding my Hunqapillar, and 
perhaps even more so the QB in a few weeks, is that of a fine, flowing 
roadster. I've driven a number of them, but am not an enthusiast so 
couldn't speak as eloquently as you about the similarities and differences 
of the mechanics and build, but the quality of the ride and experience of 
the ride matches.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 2:53:55 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:

 I owned a '78 MGB roadster that could be said to embody some of the old 
 world/new world straddling design features of a Rivendell.  

 (picture not mine, but mine was nearly identical.  Mine had a tan 
 interior).



 However, that MGB more closely resembles what Raleigh and all of British 
 industry became by the end of the 70s: a shadow of its former self.  It had 
 all the mechanical foibles (if it's not leaking oil, it's empty) of any 
 British car but less of the fun; the power and handling were heavily 
 comprimised by US crash standards and emissions.  Whereas, Rivendell is a 
 phoenix rising from the ashes of the traditional US bike industry, not a 
 compromised last gasp.

 It was quite unreliable, but handsome.  My Riv Road is reliable, 
 versatile, capable, and handsome.

 British Racing Green is a great color; I have a Triumph Sprint motorcycle 
 in that color and would love a deep green Rivendell.  If I ever order a new 
 Riv, it will be a metallic BRG.

 I've also owned an 04 Cadillac CTS-V, a sport sedan with a Corvette V-8 
 and 6-speed stick.  Lots of fun, but expensive to own.  It resembles my 
 Rivendell as a MUSA masterpiece, but lacks the old-world touch (unless you 
 count all Cadillacs as old-world, but this one was pretty modern).  It also 
 embodied my bike riding style: heavy and fast.

 I've given up cars as toys; bikes and motorcycles are better suited and 
 more economical.  My current car is an 02 Nissan Frontier crew cab pickup. 
  It carries my kids, camping gear, a canoe, a bunch of bikes, dirty stuff, 
 and big stuff just fine.  Sometimes all at once.  It doesn't have the 
 expressive personality of a Riv, but I bought it for its practicality, not 
 its character.  

 If only I could equip the Frontier with a diesel engine the rest of the 
 world gets.  30mpg in a compact pickup would be awesome.


 On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Eric Norris campyo...@me.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 I’ll also be in the market for my second Element at some point. 115,000 
 miles on mine, and still going strong. 

 For those who haven’t driven one, the Element is somewhat unique among 
 small SUVs in that you can roll a full-sized bike into it without taking 
 the wheels off. Two bikes fit inside easily; you can fit three bikes and 
 riders with a little doing. Changing into/out of bike clothes is also 
 facilitated by the height of the cabin, and in a pinch you can fold the 
 seats into a sort of lumpy bed. All this, and the inside is also easy to 
 clean (but don’t take a hose to it — that’s an urban legend).

 --Eric Norris
 campyo...@me.com javascript:
 www.campyonly.com
 campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
  
 On May 6, 2014, at 7:30 AM, Montclair BobbyB 
 montcla...@gmail.comjavascript: 
 wrote:

 I like to think my bike and car preferences are well-aligned... I go for 
 functional, practical, comfortable, fun... 
 I'm on my second Element, and (since it has been discontinued) I'm always 
 on the lookout for the 'next' one with low miles to drive for the next 10 
 years (unless something better comes along... NAH... not likely)... 


 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-h1ZGAlz4Ll8/U2jxDzI1jeI/Em4/aoAtJ2R-e5g/s1600/Element+on+Ferry.JPG


 On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:47:34 PM UTC-4, Tom Virgil wrote:

 If you are going to say I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an 
 automobile, God bless you.  Seriously.

 But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of 
 those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme, 
 logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there.  As 
 with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through standard outlets.

 Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or 
 Sam Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this.


 http://bp3.blogger.com/_eMfw8PboF5U/Rzok9A9XD5I/B8g/3-_iCzTeypk/s1600/17_Big+Bertha_1.jpg

 Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself).  I heard 
 that the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to 
 propane, so perhaps that helps with fuel costs.

 There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar.  The 
 Hummer would be much too yesterday's trendy.  To hades with the cost of 
 fuel or effort.  It must be a Dodge Power Wagon.

 http://moparplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dodge_power_wagon.jpg

 This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized 
 manual transmission.  Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we?

 

Re: [RBW] How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?

2014-05-06 Thread Tim Gavin
Patrick-

Yes.  My Riv just feels so great and rolls so well.  It works with me,
flexes a bit, stiffens a bit, and together we just move like stink.

I've never really experienced the same symbiosis with another machine.
 Anything with an engine to make it fast also makes it heavy.  Even my
motorcycles are ponderous at low speeds and require deliberate input.  Now,
when I'm on a twisty road, flying through the curves and using my hips to
lean back and forth, my Triumph starts to feel like a part of me.  But not
nearly as naturally as my Riv.

My other bikes are pretty great (I have a couple other nice bikes), but me
and the Riv are on another level.

Another exhilarating vehicle is the B-1 bomber, on which I crewed as a
navigator.  But again, you're just a flea on the back of that supersonic
beast.  It doesn't move with you, it moves how you force it.  But what
amazing moves!




On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 I'm right there with you, Tim. My experience of riding my Hunqapillar, and
 perhaps even more so the QB in a few weeks, is that of a fine, flowing
 roadster. I've driven a number of them, but am not an enthusiast so
 couldn't speak as eloquently as you about the similarities and differences
 of the mechanics and build, but the quality of the ride and experience of
 the ride matches.

 With abandon,
 Patrick



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Re: [RBW] How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?

2014-05-06 Thread Deacon Patrick
Well said again, Tim. A Rivendell rides like what a fine flowing roadster 
yearns to be, strives to be, and sometimes nearly achieves for passing 
glimpses because it can not free itself the ponderous engine.

On my recent dirt road ride this past weekend, I delighted at the fact that 
I was faster both up hill (barely) and down (by a wide margin) than a 
pickup on the same road for all the bumps and rocks they had to bounce over 
that I could just flow through or around on a single flowing river of fun!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 3:12:48 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:

 Patrick- 

 Yes.  My Riv just feels so great and rolls so well.  It works with me, 
 flexes a bit, stiffens a bit, and together we just move like stink.

 I've never really experienced the same symbiosis with another machine. 
  Anything with an engine to make it fast also makes it heavy.  Even my 
 motorcycles are ponderous at low speeds and require deliberate input.  Now, 
 when I'm on a twisty road, flying through the curves and using my hips to 
 lean back and forth, my Triumph starts to feel like a part of me.  But not 
 nearly as naturally as my Riv.

 My other bikes are pretty great (I have a couple other nice bikes), but me 
 and the Riv are on another level.

 Another exhilarating vehicle is the B-1 bomber, on which I crewed as a 
 navigator.  But again, you're just a flea on the back of that supersonic 
 beast.  It doesn't move with you, it moves how you force it.  But what 
 amazing moves!




 On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 I'm right there with you, Tim. My experience of riding my Hunqapillar, 
 and perhaps even more so the QB in a few weeks, is that of a fine, flowing 
 roadster. I've driven a number of them, but am not an enthusiast so 
 couldn't speak as eloquently as you about the similarities and differences 
 of the mechanics and build, but the quality of the ride and experience of 
 the ride matches.

 With abandon,
 Patrick



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Re: [RBW] How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?

2014-05-06 Thread David Hays
I'm on my second Subaru Legacy wagon which holds so much yet gets over 30 mpg 
on trips and 26-28 in town.
I got 32.5 to Florida and back but unfortunately they don't import them anymore.
I like its way of being sensible and purposeful like a Rivendell but my Homer 
gives me a bigger smile.
David

On May 6, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a Kia Rondo, which while unexciting as can be, conforms to the idea of 
 having one bike for every purpose.  I've hauled everything from people to (2) 
 bikes with both wheels attached to 20 8 foot sections of 2x4's, about 50 
 paver stones, trees, tools, paint, mulch, etc.  It has a 4 cylinder and gets 
 22-24 mpg around town, 26-27 on the highway.  Not economy car great but not 
 full size SUV horrible either.
 
 
 On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 2:06 AM, IanA attew...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's got to be Citroen: - http://www.boldride.com/ride/1955/citroen-ds-19
 
 
 On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:20:56 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote:
 Only one thing comes to mind
 
 On May 5, 2014 9:43 PM, Peter Morgano uscpet...@gmail.com wrote:
 Classic Simpsons. Danny devito as the long lost brother, awesome.
 
 On May 6, 2014 12:36 AM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
 Fun fact: I was looking up images for homer car when I came across the 
 third one! http://tinyurl.com/n2zhorj 
 
 Cheers,
 David
 
 it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal
 
 
 
 
 
 On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Coconutbill evan@gmail.com wrote:
 a. homer !
 
 
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Re: [RBW] How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?

2014-05-06 Thread Pepe Demarest
As Rivendell's are country bikes, My Subaru Outback takes me everywhere I 
want to go.

On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 4:31:51 PM UTC-5, David Hays wrote:

 I'm on my second Subaru Legacy wagon which holds so much yet gets over 30 
 mpg on trips and 26-28 in town.
 I got 32.5 to Florida and back but unfortunately they don't import them 
 anymore.
 I like its way of being sensible and purposeful like a Rivendell but my 
 Homer gives me a bigger smile.
 David

 On May 6, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Jim Bronson jim.b...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 I have a Kia Rondo, which while unexciting as can be, conforms to the idea 
 of having one bike for every purpose.  I've hauled everything from people 
 to (2) bikes with both wheels attached to 20 8 foot sections of 2x4's, 
 about 50 paver stones, trees, tools, paint, mulch, etc.  It has a 4 
 cylinder and gets 22-24 mpg around town, 26-27 on the highway.  Not economy 
 car great but not full size SUV horrible either.


 On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 2:06 AM, IanA atte...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:

 It's got to be Citroen: - http://www.boldride.com/ride/1955/citroen-ds-19


 On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:20:56 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote:

 Only one thing comes to mind 
 On May 5, 2014 9:43 PM, Peter Morgano uscpet...@gmail.com wrote:

 Classic Simpsons. Danny devito as the long lost brother, awesome. 
 On May 6, 2014 12:36 AM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

  Fun fact: I was looking up images for homer car when I came across 
 the third one! *http://tinyurl.com/n2zhorj 
 http://tinyurl.com/n2zhorj*


 Cheers,
 David

 it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal





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[RBW] How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?

2014-05-05 Thread Tom Virgil
If you are going to say I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an 
automobile, God bless you.  Seriously.

But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of 
those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme, 
logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there.  As 
with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through standard outlets.

Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or Sam 
Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_eMfw8PboF5U/Rzok9A9XD5I/B8g/3-_iCzTeypk/s1600/17_Big+Bertha_1.jpg

Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself).  I heard that 
the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to propane, so 
perhaps that helps with fuel costs.

There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar.  The Hummer 
would be much too yesterday's trendy.  To hades with the cost of fuel or 
effort.  It must be a Dodge Power Wagon.

http://moparplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dodge_power_wagon.jpg

This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized manual 
transmission.  Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we?

Betty Foy and Cheviot are more subtle.  They demonstrate a certain amount 
of class and an attitude of nonchalance about girl's bike/boy's bike.  They 
are nevertheless robust vehicles.  Not having one, my suggestion would be 
the following.

http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Dodge/54_Dodge_Power_Wagon_DV-06_BJ_09.jpg


I can only imagine Vancouver librarians rolling up to the book repositories 
(or straight through them, if desired) in Canadian state issued editions of 
these contrivances.

~Tom





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