Re: [RBW] Introduction and Tire Question
Good to know about the Alex; will archive this. Rather wider and heavier than I like, and I think I'll prefer to futz with tubeless-i-fying a non-tubeless rim; so far, so good! On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 3:13 PM Kevin wrote: > Alex Adventurer 2 comes in a tubeless, rim brake 26. A bit narrower and > certainly not as nice as a Cliffhanger but wallet friendly and pretty > durable in my experience with the 700c version. > > On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 3:09:05 PM UTC-5 jmanw...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Velocity cliffhanger is the only rim brake 26 tubeless ready that I know >> of! >> >> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 1:38 PM Patrick Moore wrote: >> >>> One more remark: I hate heavy thorn proof tires -- they're not really >>> "proof," only resistant, and pre-modern-sealant, I simply fixed a lot of >>> flats; I used up most of 200 Rema patches every year; it was just the price >>> to ride decent tires. >>> >>> But I did find one tire that rolled acceptably and was *almost* proof >>> against goatheads even without any sealant: the Schwalbe Big Apple. They >>> used to make this in a 26" size, but whether they still do, or whether it's >>> still the same nice-rolling tire it was then, I don't know; this was 10 >>> years ago or more. I'd say that on dirt, the Big Apple is almost proof >>> against thorns -- I'd come off the dirt with literally scores embedded in >>> each tire; brush them off, ride on, no leak a day later. On pavement, only >>> a few got through in miles of riding compared to the other, lighter tires I >>> used. >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 2:32 PM Patrick Moore wrote: >>> I've dealt with goathead flats for decades, and modern sealants are the best solution by far. I've used sealant in tubes (Orange Seal, regular formula works in tubes while the "Endurance" formula does not), and as long as the pressure is at least 40 psi it should fix the problem. It certainly works well at 50 or 60 psi. But for pressures lower than about 40 psi I find sealant does not work well in tubes; I guess there's not enough pressue to get the sealant into the hole in the tube. But sealants work fine in tubeless tires even at 15 or 12 psi, IME. Tubeless tire setups require a tire with special beads for tight fit, plus a good buildup of of Stan's No Tubes rim tape on the rim bed. This can be done even with rims *not* designed for tubeless tires, as long as the rim bed is built up sufficiently with the tape so that the tire beads can fit firmly against the insides of the rim; too little tape and it is only air pressure holding the beads in place, which can lead to problems great and small. Since beads seem to stretch, and since you'll have to top up the sealant every 3 months or so, you'll have to be ready to add another layer of tape to regain the tight fit; then get the tight beads back in place against the rim walls. I just bought a cheap air compressor to do so Easier all around if you switch to tubeless compatible rims as well as tubeless tires; but finding tubeless rims for rim brakes in the 26" size may be hard. Perhaps others can speak up. Upshot: try 2 fl oz of Orange Seal regular formula in your tubes. If that doesn't work, get your rims set up for tubeless tires, and buy some tubeless-ready tires and be prepared to adjust the setup after 3 months or so with another layer of rim tape. I use the Rene Herse Naches Pass, 26" X 1.8". Very light and very nice rolling, but expensive. Finally, while sealant properly used will prevent thorn flats, it may well not seal bigger holes, so you'll need backup: spare tube or tubes if you are using tubes; I put sealant in my spare tubes when I use them; or, if your tires are tubeless, a plug kit, or else a tube to install for emergencies only. On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 1:20 PM Christine Justice wrote: > Hello, > I'm Christine from Denver, CO. I'm a mom to three cats, one dog, and > one Rivendell. The Riv is a Clem H I bought new in 2019. All the parts are > stock except the handlebars. I swapped out the Bosco's for Velo Orange > Milan bars. The Bosco bars made the bike feel too small for me (I'm 5'5" > and it's the 45 size), and the Milan bars give me a semi-upright position > that makes it feel just right. This is my "do everything bike". Shopping, > touring, gravel riding, commuting, it's the bike I prefer for most things. > I have covered up the "JR", in "Clem Smith JR" with a Clementine sticker. > This bike is most certainly not a Junior, she is a classy lady! > > Early last year, I moved to Colorado. I had no idea what a goat head > was before moving here. Now unfortunately, I am well acquainted. I swapped > out the tires on all my bikes to Schwalbe Marathons to battle the buggers. > I'm still
Re: [RBW] Introduction and Tire Question
Velo Orange's Voyager rims are tubeless compatible and come in 32/36 hole 26 inch! https://velo-orange.com/collections/rims/products/voyager-rim?variant=14408204353585 On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 3:09:05 PM UTC-5 jmanw...@gmail.com wrote: > Velocity cliffhanger is the only rim brake 26 tubeless ready that I know > of! > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 1:38 PM Patrick Moore wrote: > >> One more remark: I hate heavy thorn proof tires -- they're not really >> "proof," only resistant, and pre-modern-sealant, I simply fixed a lot of >> flats; I used up most of 200 Rema patches every year; it was just the price >> to ride decent tires. >> >> But I did find one tire that rolled acceptably and was *almost* proof >> against goatheads even without any sealant: the Schwalbe Big Apple. They >> used to make this in a 26" size, but whether they still do, or whether it's >> still the same nice-rolling tire it was then, I don't know; this was 10 >> years ago or more. I'd say that on dirt, the Big Apple is almost proof >> against thorns -- I'd come off the dirt with literally scores embedded in >> each tire; brush them off, ride on, no leak a day later. On pavement, only >> a few got through in miles of riding compared to the other, lighter tires I >> used. >> >> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 2:32 PM Patrick Moore wrote: >> >>> I've dealt with goathead flats for decades, and modern sealants are the >>> best solution by far. I've used sealant in tubes (Orange Seal, regular >>> formula works in tubes while the "Endurance" formula does not), and as long >>> as the pressure is at least 40 psi it should fix the problem. It certainly >>> works well at 50 or 60 psi. >>> >>> But for pressures lower than about 40 psi I find sealant does not work >>> well in tubes; I guess there's not enough pressue to get the sealant into >>> the hole in the tube. But sealants work fine in tubeless tires even at 15 >>> or 12 psi, IME. >>> >>> Tubeless tire setups require a tire with special beads for tight fit, >>> plus a good buildup of of Stan's No Tubes rim tape on the rim bed. This can >>> be done even with rims *not* designed for tubeless tires, as long as >>> the rim bed is built up sufficiently with the tape so that the tire beads >>> can fit firmly against the insides of the rim; too little tape and it is >>> only air pressure holding the beads in place, which can lead to problems >>> great and small. >>> >>> Since beads seem to stretch, and since you'll have to top up the sealant >>> every 3 months or so, you'll have to be ready to add another layer of tape >>> to regain the tight fit; then get the tight beads back in place against the >>> rim walls. I just bought a cheap air compressor to do so >>> >>> Easier all around if you switch to tubeless compatible rims as well as >>> tubeless tires; but finding tubeless rims for rim brakes in the 26" size >>> may be hard. Perhaps others can speak up. >>> >>> Upshot: try 2 fl oz of Orange Seal regular formula in your tubes. If >>> that doesn't work, get your rims set up for tubeless tires, and buy some >>> tubeless-ready tires and be prepared to adjust the setup after 3 months or >>> so with another layer of rim tape. I use the Rene Herse Naches Pass, 26" X >>> 1.8". Very light and very nice rolling, but expensive. >>> >>> Finally, while sealant properly used will prevent thorn flats, it may >>> well not seal bigger holes, so you'll need backup: spare tube or tubes if >>> you are using tubes; I put sealant in my spare tubes when I use them; or, >>> if your tires are tubeless, a plug kit, or else a tube to install for >>> emergencies only. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 1:20 PM Christine Justice >>> wrote: >>> Hello, I'm Christine from Denver, CO. I'm a mom to three cats, one dog, and one Rivendell. The Riv is a Clem H I bought new in 2019. All the parts are stock except the handlebars. I swapped out the Bosco's for Velo Orange Milan bars. The Bosco bars made the bike feel too small for me (I'm 5'5" and it's the 45 size), and the Milan bars give me a semi-upright position that makes it feel just right. This is my "do everything bike". Shopping, touring, gravel riding, commuting, it's the bike I prefer for most things. I have covered up the "JR", in "Clem Smith JR" with a Clementine sticker. This bike is most certainly not a Junior, she is a classy lady! Early last year, I moved to Colorado. I had no idea what a goat head was before moving here. Now unfortunately, I am well acquainted. I swapped out the tires on all my bikes to Schwalbe Marathons to battle the buggers. I'm still getting some flats though. Is going tubeless worth the mess and expense? I can't use these Marathons, they are the standard wire bead version. And has anybody tried using the stock Clem wheels set up tubelessly? I would already need new tires, and a better pump. So
Re: [RBW] Introduction and Tire Question
Alex Adventurer 2 comes in a tubeless, rim brake 26. A bit narrower and certainly not as nice as a Cliffhanger but wallet friendly and pretty durable in my experience with the 700c version. On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 3:09:05 PM UTC-5 jmanw...@gmail.com wrote: > Velocity cliffhanger is the only rim brake 26 tubeless ready that I know > of! > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 1:38 PM Patrick Moore wrote: > >> One more remark: I hate heavy thorn proof tires -- they're not really >> "proof," only resistant, and pre-modern-sealant, I simply fixed a lot of >> flats; I used up most of 200 Rema patches every year; it was just the price >> to ride decent tires. >> >> But I did find one tire that rolled acceptably and was *almost* proof >> against goatheads even without any sealant: the Schwalbe Big Apple. They >> used to make this in a 26" size, but whether they still do, or whether it's >> still the same nice-rolling tire it was then, I don't know; this was 10 >> years ago or more. I'd say that on dirt, the Big Apple is almost proof >> against thorns -- I'd come off the dirt with literally scores embedded in >> each tire; brush them off, ride on, no leak a day later. On pavement, only >> a few got through in miles of riding compared to the other, lighter tires I >> used. >> >> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 2:32 PM Patrick Moore wrote: >> >>> I've dealt with goathead flats for decades, and modern sealants are the >>> best solution by far. I've used sealant in tubes (Orange Seal, regular >>> formula works in tubes while the "Endurance" formula does not), and as long >>> as the pressure is at least 40 psi it should fix the problem. It certainly >>> works well at 50 or 60 psi. >>> >>> But for pressures lower than about 40 psi I find sealant does not work >>> well in tubes; I guess there's not enough pressue to get the sealant into >>> the hole in the tube. But sealants work fine in tubeless tires even at 15 >>> or 12 psi, IME. >>> >>> Tubeless tire setups require a tire with special beads for tight fit, >>> plus a good buildup of of Stan's No Tubes rim tape on the rim bed. This can >>> be done even with rims *not* designed for tubeless tires, as long as >>> the rim bed is built up sufficiently with the tape so that the tire beads >>> can fit firmly against the insides of the rim; too little tape and it is >>> only air pressure holding the beads in place, which can lead to problems >>> great and small. >>> >>> Since beads seem to stretch, and since you'll have to top up the sealant >>> every 3 months or so, you'll have to be ready to add another layer of tape >>> to regain the tight fit; then get the tight beads back in place against the >>> rim walls. I just bought a cheap air compressor to do so >>> >>> Easier all around if you switch to tubeless compatible rims as well as >>> tubeless tires; but finding tubeless rims for rim brakes in the 26" size >>> may be hard. Perhaps others can speak up. >>> >>> Upshot: try 2 fl oz of Orange Seal regular formula in your tubes. If >>> that doesn't work, get your rims set up for tubeless tires, and buy some >>> tubeless-ready tires and be prepared to adjust the setup after 3 months or >>> so with another layer of rim tape. I use the Rene Herse Naches Pass, 26" X >>> 1.8". Very light and very nice rolling, but expensive. >>> >>> Finally, while sealant properly used will prevent thorn flats, it may >>> well not seal bigger holes, so you'll need backup: spare tube or tubes if >>> you are using tubes; I put sealant in my spare tubes when I use them; or, >>> if your tires are tubeless, a plug kit, or else a tube to install for >>> emergencies only. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 1:20 PM Christine Justice >>> wrote: >>> Hello, I'm Christine from Denver, CO. I'm a mom to three cats, one dog, and one Rivendell. The Riv is a Clem H I bought new in 2019. All the parts are stock except the handlebars. I swapped out the Bosco's for Velo Orange Milan bars. The Bosco bars made the bike feel too small for me (I'm 5'5" and it's the 45 size), and the Milan bars give me a semi-upright position that makes it feel just right. This is my "do everything bike". Shopping, touring, gravel riding, commuting, it's the bike I prefer for most things. I have covered up the "JR", in "Clem Smith JR" with a Clementine sticker. This bike is most certainly not a Junior, she is a classy lady! Early last year, I moved to Colorado. I had no idea what a goat head was before moving here. Now unfortunately, I am well acquainted. I swapped out the tires on all my bikes to Schwalbe Marathons to battle the buggers. I'm still getting some flats though. Is going tubeless worth the mess and expense? I can't use these Marathons, they are the standard wire bead version. And has anybody tried using the stock Clem wheels set up tubelessly? I would already need new tires,
Re: [RBW] Introduction and Tire Question
I figured that any tubeless 26" rim would be for fat tires. 30 mm is way overkill for 42 mm, let alone 28 mm, which is what I use on my road bikes. Still, for a Clementine, it's probably the very best choice if you want to give up tubes. On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 2:09 PM Jay wrote: > Velocity cliffhanger is the only rim brake 26 tubeless ready that I know > of! > --- Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgt2GBEQugMj%2BfPCb5Zsytdg1kBtpBOieJto%3Df4fk6LMjA%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [RBW] Introduction and Tire Question
The Velocity A 23 is also tubeless compatible and comes in 26" On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 3:09:05 PM UTC-5 jmanw...@gmail.com wrote: > Velocity cliffhanger is the only rim brake 26 tubeless ready that I know > of! > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 1:38 PM Patrick Moore wrote: > >> One more remark: I hate heavy thorn proof tires -- they're not really >> "proof," only resistant, and pre-modern-sealant, I simply fixed a lot of >> flats; I used up most of 200 Rema patches every year; it was just the price >> to ride decent tires. >> >> But I did find one tire that rolled acceptably and was *almost* proof >> against goatheads even without any sealant: the Schwalbe Big Apple. They >> used to make this in a 26" size, but whether they still do, or whether it's >> still the same nice-rolling tire it was then, I don't know; this was 10 >> years ago or more. I'd say that on dirt, the Big Apple is almost proof >> against thorns -- I'd come off the dirt with literally scores embedded in >> each tire; brush them off, ride on, no leak a day later. On pavement, only >> a few got through in miles of riding compared to the other, lighter tires I >> used. >> >> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 2:32 PM Patrick Moore wrote: >> >>> I've dealt with goathead flats for decades, and modern sealants are the >>> best solution by far. I've used sealant in tubes (Orange Seal, regular >>> formula works in tubes while the "Endurance" formula does not), and as long >>> as the pressure is at least 40 psi it should fix the problem. It certainly >>> works well at 50 or 60 psi. >>> >>> But for pressures lower than about 40 psi I find sealant does not work >>> well in tubes; I guess there's not enough pressue to get the sealant into >>> the hole in the tube. But sealants work fine in tubeless tires even at 15 >>> or 12 psi, IME. >>> >>> Tubeless tire setups require a tire with special beads for tight fit, >>> plus a good buildup of of Stan's No Tubes rim tape on the rim bed. This can >>> be done even with rims *not* designed for tubeless tires, as long as >>> the rim bed is built up sufficiently with the tape so that the tire beads >>> can fit firmly against the insides of the rim; too little tape and it is >>> only air pressure holding the beads in place, which can lead to problems >>> great and small. >>> >>> Since beads seem to stretch, and since you'll have to top up the sealant >>> every 3 months or so, you'll have to be ready to add another layer of tape >>> to regain the tight fit; then get the tight beads back in place against the >>> rim walls. I just bought a cheap air compressor to do so >>> >>> Easier all around if you switch to tubeless compatible rims as well as >>> tubeless tires; but finding tubeless rims for rim brakes in the 26" size >>> may be hard. Perhaps others can speak up. >>> >>> Upshot: try 2 fl oz of Orange Seal regular formula in your tubes. If >>> that doesn't work, get your rims set up for tubeless tires, and buy some >>> tubeless-ready tires and be prepared to adjust the setup after 3 months or >>> so with another layer of rim tape. I use the Rene Herse Naches Pass, 26" X >>> 1.8". Very light and very nice rolling, but expensive. >>> >>> Finally, while sealant properly used will prevent thorn flats, it may >>> well not seal bigger holes, so you'll need backup: spare tube or tubes if >>> you are using tubes; I put sealant in my spare tubes when I use them; or, >>> if your tires are tubeless, a plug kit, or else a tube to install for >>> emergencies only. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 1:20 PM Christine Justice >>> wrote: >>> Hello, I'm Christine from Denver, CO. I'm a mom to three cats, one dog, and one Rivendell. The Riv is a Clem H I bought new in 2019. All the parts are stock except the handlebars. I swapped out the Bosco's for Velo Orange Milan bars. The Bosco bars made the bike feel too small for me (I'm 5'5" and it's the 45 size), and the Milan bars give me a semi-upright position that makes it feel just right. This is my "do everything bike". Shopping, touring, gravel riding, commuting, it's the bike I prefer for most things. I have covered up the "JR", in "Clem Smith JR" with a Clementine sticker. This bike is most certainly not a Junior, she is a classy lady! Early last year, I moved to Colorado. I had no idea what a goat head was before moving here. Now unfortunately, I am well acquainted. I swapped out the tires on all my bikes to Schwalbe Marathons to battle the buggers. I'm still getting some flats though. Is going tubeless worth the mess and expense? I can't use these Marathons, they are the standard wire bead version. And has anybody tried using the stock Clem wheels set up tubelessly? I would already need new tires, and a better pump. So I think new wheels are out of my budget. Frustrated with flats, Christine[image:
