Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
On 11/23/2014 10:22 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: Steve, I was, saying the lower positioned on the bike the water is, the better. I was not saying the less the better. Thanks for the clarification. I totally misunderstood what you were saying, obviously. With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, November 23, 2014 8:00:26 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 11/23/2014 09:39 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: Water is the heaviest item by volume you will carry. It pays to get it as low as practicable. And water is one of the few things that if you don't have it, you can die. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
In my experience, weight of any kind travels better when lower, though I oddly prefer the SaddleSack to panniers. It may not be a big thing for you. With my vertigo, anything that effects the handling of the bike is trip-ending. I can't carry weight above my waist, so hydration packs are out for me as an option anyway, so I can't speak to the benefit of the weight being on me above my suspension (knees/elbows), vs. on the bike below suspension. With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, November 23, 2014 9:06:26 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: Why? Why should you get it low? I would have thought keeping it on your back, above the suspension (your knees) would be better. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
A pint's a pound, which means 100 oz of water is a little over three pounds. My body weight varies by more than three pounds from week to week, and I don't notice that affects bike handling. I don't find the three pound weight on my back noticeable as far as handling is concerned. I do notice, and don't like, having a sweaty back from a water backpack, but I unfortunately have an auto-immune disease that makes me have a dry mouth, so making it easy to sip water frequently is important for me. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: In my experience, weight of any kind travels better when lower, though I oddly prefer the SaddleSack to panniers. It may not be a big thing for you. With my vertigo, anything that effects the handling of the bike is trip-ending. I can't carry weight above my waist, so hydration packs are out for me as an option anyway, so I can't speak to the benefit of the weight being on me above my suspension (knees/elbows), vs. on the bike below suspension. With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, November 23, 2014 9:06:26 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: Why? Why should you get it low? I would have thought keeping it on your back, above the suspension (your knees) would be better. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
Anne, The closer to the ground the weight is, the lower the center of gravity is, and the less your body's muscles are being used to correct the constant imbalances that occur on the bike and keep the bike upright. The bike will feel more stable and light. It's one of the reason that the more stable riding cargo bikes utilize small 20 wheels. It helps keep the load down low. Also, with hydration packs strapped to your back, I'm going to guess that you're going to deal with more suspension losses since the pack can jiggle around (I've never worn one so I can't really say). Keeping the heaviest weights secured tightly to the bike so they can't wiggle around reduces suspension losses. Anton On Sunday, November 23, 2014 11:06:26 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: Why? Why should you get it low? I would have thought keeping it on your back, above the suspension (your knees) would be better. On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com javascript: wrote: Water is the heaviest item by volume you will carry. It pays to get it as low as practicable. With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, November 23, 2014 7:36:49 PM UTC-7, ted wrote: I think this http://epicureancyclist.com/review-msr-dromedary-and-s-biners/ looks fairly nice. On Sunday, November 23, 2014 6:26:13 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: I don't remember. Wherever it works. Test before hand. Irish straps are beautiful! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
It's three pounds! Right now I weigh more than three pounds more than my ideal cycling weight. I'd like to get rid of that weight, but I don't notice even one tiny difference in bike handling because of it. Also, in my experience-- and I wear a hydration pack every time I ride except for around town rides-- hydration packs don't shift around. They're designed not to shift around, because if they did it would be really annoying and people would hate it. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Anton Tutter atut...@gmail.com wrote: Also, with hydration packs strapped to your back, I'm going to guess that you're going to deal with more suspension losses since the pack can jiggle around (I've never worn one so I can't really say). Keeping the heaviest weights secured tightly to the bike so they can't wiggle around reduces suspension losses. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
There's a difference between 3 lbs of rider weight and 3 lbs of accessory weight. The 3 lb of rider weight is distributed throughout the body, and as it accumulated, your musculature also adapted to deal with that extra weight. The point is, any weight that is loose and can wiggle is going to be noticed a lot more on the bike than if it doesn't. And the lower it is on the bike, the less it will impact your balance and handling of the bike. If the hydration pack doesn't shift around, great. On Monday, November 24, 2014 12:28:11 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: It's three pounds! Right now I weigh more than three pounds more than my ideal cycling weight. I'd like to get rid of that weight, but I don't notice even one tiny difference in bike handling because of it. Also, in my experience-- and I wear a hydration pack every time I ride except for around town rides-- hydration packs don't shift around. They're designed not to shift around, because if they did it would be really annoying and people would hate it. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Anton Tutter atu...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Also, with hydration packs strapped to your back, I'm going to guess that you're going to deal with more suspension losses since the pack can jiggle around (I've never worn one so I can't really say). Keeping the heaviest weights secured tightly to the bike so they can't wiggle around reduces suspension losses. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
Actually your math is off. 100oz is about 3L, or 3kg, or a little over 6 pounds. I have used a 3L hydration pack on 200K and 300K rides, but would probably not like it on a multiple day ride. --Metin On Monday, November 24, 2014 8:39:18 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: A pint's a pound, which means 100 oz of water is a little over three pounds. My body weight varies by more than three pounds from week to week, and I don't notice that affects bike handling. I don't find the three pound weight on my back noticeable as far as handling is concerned. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
You're right, it's six pounds not three. A pint's a pound, but a liter is more or less a quart which is two pints. That was a stupid mistake for me to make. A quick eyeballing of bikepacking pictures shows the majority of bikepackers wearing packs. But YMMV. For me, if I'm not using panniers, which I don't on my Krampus, I just don't have a huge amount of storage space on the bike. A hydration pack is the most convenient place to store my water. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Metin Uz uz.me...@gmail.com wrote: Actually your math is off. 100oz is about 3L, or 3kg, or a little over 6 pounds. I have used a 3L hydration pack on 200K and 300K rides, but would probably not like it on a multiple day ride. --Metin On Monday, November 24, 2014 8:39:18 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: A pint's a pound, which means 100 oz of water is a little over three pounds. My body weight varies by more than three pounds from week to week, and I don't notice that affects bike handling. I don't find the three pound weight on my back noticeable as far as handling is concerned. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
Riders wear large hydration packs for the entire Continental Divide race. If the pack fits well and one is accustomed to wearing it, it won't cause a problem even if theoretically the weight is better down lower. Jeez, the nits people will pick on this list. jim m wc ca On Monday, November 24, 2014 10:49:11 AM UTC-8, Metin Uz wrote: Actually your math is off. 100oz is about 3L, or 3kg, or a little over 6 pounds. I have used a 3L hydration pack on 200K and 300K rides, but would probably not like it on a multiple day ride. --Metin On Monday, November 24, 2014 8:39:18 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: A pint's a pound, which means 100 oz of water is a little over three pounds. My body weight varies by more than three pounds from week to week, and I don't notice that affects bike handling. I don't find the three pound weight on my back noticeable as far as handling is concerned. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
Yeah. Folks who wear a backpack baffle me. I did a ride with a friend who didn't have panniers, so he brought a quality running pack to cary his gear for the day. Have the weight op that high annoyed him to no end, and he test rode without it and felt an amazing difference. All with about 10 pounds of stuff. I have no idea how the folks wearing full backpacking packs when bikepacking do it. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
They don't wear full backpacking packs, typically. They wear packs designed for cyclists, like these: http://www.rei.com/product/847872/camelbak-mule-hydration-pack-100-fl-oz http://shop.camelbak.com/hawg-nv/d/1003_cl_3900 http://shop.camelbak.com/volt-13-lr/d/1247_cl_3426 http://www.ospreypacks.com/en/product/mens_1_1/raptor_14_1 I happen to have a Camelbak HAWG and a Camelback Volt and have worn each one on numerous rides. I've not noticed any difference in handling of the bike. They're fine. Where I live, a lot of people wear hydration packs when they're riding off road. This is not unusual or strange. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Yeah. Folks who wear a backpack baffle me. I did a ride with a friend who didn't have panniers, so he brought a quality running pack to cary his gear for the day. Have the weight op that high annoyed him to no end, and he test rode without it and felt an amazing difference. All with about 10 pounds of stuff. I have no idea how the folks wearing full backpacking packs when bikepacking do it. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
I know, and I don't get those, either. But I've seen bikepackers with full packs before. None of them understand my set up either, so it works out. I get odd questions like How do you fit through the narrow trails? when the SaddleSack is no wider than my body on the bike. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, November 24, 2014 12:56:50 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: They don't wear full backpacking packs, typically. They wear packs designed for cyclists, like these: http://www.rei.com/product/847872/camelbak-mule-hydration-pack-100-fl-oz http://shop.camelbak.com/hawg-nv/d/1003_cl_3900 http://shop.camelbak.com/volt-13-lr/d/1247_cl_3426 http://www.ospreypacks.com/en/product/mens_1_1/raptor_14_1 I happen to have a Camelbak HAWG and a Camelback Volt and have worn each one on numerous rides. I've not noticed any difference in handling of the bike. They're fine. Where I live, a lot of people wear hydration packs when they're riding off road. This is not unusual or strange. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com javascript: wrote: Yeah. Folks who wear a backpack baffle me. I did a ride with a friend who didn't have panniers, so he brought a quality running pack to cary his gear for the day. Have the weight op that high annoyed him to no end, and he test rode without it and felt an amazing difference. All with about 10 pounds of stuff. I have no idea how the folks wearing full backpacking packs when bikepacking do it. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
Hmm, riding around NYC I had the backpack full of crap for years. Once you get used to it its really not a big deal. Now you if you just throw one on for a ride for the first time year its gonna be different, sore shoulders, weird pack moving sensation and the like but it only took me a couple of weeks to get used to. My only issue with the camelback is I am really sweaty and it made my back sweat more and it was really gross. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: I know, and I don't get those, either. But I've seen bikepackers with full packs before. None of them understand my set up either, so it works out. I get odd questions like How do you fit through the narrow trails? when the SaddleSack is no wider than my body on the bike. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, November 24, 2014 12:56:50 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: They don't wear full backpacking packs, typically. They wear packs designed for cyclists, like these: http://www.rei.com/product/847872/camelbak-mule-hydration-pack-100-fl-oz http://shop.camelbak.com/hawg-nv/d/1003_cl_3900 http://shop.camelbak.com/volt-13-lr/d/1247_cl_3426 http://www.ospreypacks.com/en/product/mens_1_1/raptor_14_1 I happen to have a Camelbak HAWG and a Camelback Volt and have worn each one on numerous rides. I've not noticed any difference in handling of the bike. They're fine. Where I live, a lot of people wear hydration packs when they're riding off road. This is not unusual or strange. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: Yeah. Folks who wear a backpack baffle me. I did a ride with a friend who didn't have panniers, so he brought a quality running pack to cary his gear for the day. Have the weight op that high annoyed him to no end, and he test rode without it and felt an amazing difference. All with about 10 pounds of stuff. I have no idea how the folks wearing full backpacking packs when bikepacking do it. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
Deacon and Anne, thanks for the info. Do you put the 100oz hydro pack/blader in a bike mounted bag or are you wearing those on your back? Anne, sounds like you plan to go with well under 2gal of water storage. Have I got that right? I get that somebody stoping to sleep/camp needs a bunch of gear that a nonstop rider doesn't, but the 2gal that site mentions seems like a whole lot more than I thought folks usually carry on a day (or two) ride. Are the water needs for the fast movers that much less than for those going at a more leisurely pace? thnks Ted On Saturday, November 22, 2014 10:34:15 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: Because I'm taking the slow route, I'm going to carry way more stuff than Jan. I'll have tent sleeping bag pad wool t shirt and lycra shorts for riding wool jersey and wool legwarmers for riding when it's cold off-bike clothes (I can't sit around in wet cycling clothing; I get immediately chilled) second pair of shorts (I know you guys can wear the same shorts two days in a row, but that does not work for me at all) wool hat puffy jacket rain clothes little cookset of Trangia burner, titanium pot, Westwind pot stand, cup, spork food Ursack food bag to protect food from marauders 100 oz hydration pack couple of 1 liter bladders for no-water section water filter food tools, spare tubes soap first aid kit bandannas, 1001 uses meds toiletries probably my Tilley hat with a brim, for sun probably some Crocs The hydration pack plus the two bladders is about 5 liters. I might also in the no-water section carry more water, not sure. I'm going to have to camp dry one night. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 9:55 AM, ted ted@comcast.net javascript: wrote: I am intrigued by the route but hough the trip sounds very appealing, it also sounds very daunting. For example this from http://velodirt.com/the-oregon-outback/: ... At the longest no-water section we each carried 2+ gallons of water. ... Yet Jan Heine did it on a rando bike, and several riders did it in about a day and a half. In another thread several posters say they are planing to do the ride next season. If some of them would comment on how much stuff they plan to carry and how they deal with water I would appreciate it. I am not sure how I would go about hauling 2+ gallons on my bike. Grocery panniers and a milk jug on either side? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
I strap the 100oz bladder to the frame. With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, November 23, 2014 7:00:11 PM UTC-7, ted wrote: Deacon and Anne, thanks for the info. Do you put the 100oz hydro pack/blader in a bike mounted bag or are you wearing those on your back? Anne, sounds like you plan to go with well under 2gal of water storage. Have I got that right? I get that somebody stoping to sleep/camp needs a bunch of gear that a nonstop rider doesn't, but the 2gal that site mentions seems like a whole lot more than I thought folks usually carry on a day (or two) ride. Are the water needs for the fast movers that much less than for those going at a more leisurely pace? thnks Ted On Saturday, November 22, 2014 10:34:15 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: Because I'm taking the slow route, I'm going to carry way more stuff than Jan. I'll have tent sleeping bag pad wool t shirt and lycra shorts for riding wool jersey and wool legwarmers for riding when it's cold off-bike clothes (I can't sit around in wet cycling clothing; I get immediately chilled) second pair of shorts (I know you guys can wear the same shorts two days in a row, but that does not work for me at all) wool hat puffy jacket rain clothes little cookset of Trangia burner, titanium pot, Westwind pot stand, cup, spork food Ursack food bag to protect food from marauders 100 oz hydration pack couple of 1 liter bladders for no-water section water filter food tools, spare tubes soap first aid kit bandannas, 1001 uses meds toiletries probably my Tilley hat with a brim, for sun probably some Crocs The hydration pack plus the two bladders is about 5 liters. I might also in the no-water section carry more water, not sure. I'm going to have to camp dry one night. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 9:55 AM, ted ted@comcast.net wrote: I am intrigued by the route but hough the trip sounds very appealing, it also sounds very daunting. For example this from http://velodirt.com/the-oregon-outback/: ... At the longest no-water section we each carried 2+ gallons of water. ... Yet Jan Heine did it on a rando bike, and several riders did it in about a day and a half. In another thread several posters say they are planing to do the ride next season. If some of them would comment on how much stuff they plan to carry and how they deal with water I would appreciate it. I am not sure how I would go about hauling 2+ gallons on my bike. Grocery panniers and a milk jug on either side? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
In the main triangle along with the bottle cages? Guess it pays to ride a big frame. On Sunday, November 23, 2014 6:07:56 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: I strap the 100oz bladder to the frame. With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, November 23, 2014 7:00:11 PM UTC-7, ted wrote: Deacon and Anne, thanks for the info. Do you put the 100oz hydro pack/blader in a bike mounted bag or are you wearing those on your back? Anne, sounds like you plan to go with well under 2gal of water storage. Have I got that right? I get that somebody stoping to sleep/camp needs a bunch of gear that a nonstop rider doesn't, but the 2gal that site mentions seems like a whole lot more than I thought folks usually carry on a day (or two) ride. Are the water needs for the fast movers that much less than for those going at a more leisurely pace? thnks Ted On Saturday, November 22, 2014 10:34:15 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: Because I'm taking the slow route, I'm going to carry way more stuff than Jan. I'll have tent sleeping bag pad wool t shirt and lycra shorts for riding wool jersey and wool legwarmers for riding when it's cold off-bike clothes (I can't sit around in wet cycling clothing; I get immediately chilled) second pair of shorts (I know you guys can wear the same shorts two days in a row, but that does not work for me at all) wool hat puffy jacket rain clothes little cookset of Trangia burner, titanium pot, Westwind pot stand, cup, spork food Ursack food bag to protect food from marauders 100 oz hydration pack couple of 1 liter bladders for no-water section water filter food tools, spare tubes soap first aid kit bandannas, 1001 uses meds toiletries probably my Tilley hat with a brim, for sun probably some Crocs The hydration pack plus the two bladders is about 5 liters. I might also in the no-water section carry more water, not sure. I'm going to have to camp dry one night. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 9:55 AM, ted ted@comcast.net wrote: I am intrigued by the route but hough the trip sounds very appealing, it also sounds very daunting. For example this from http://velodirt.com/the-oregon-outback/: ... At the longest no-water section we each carried 2+ gallons of water. ... Yet Jan Heine did it on a rando bike, and several riders did it in about a day and a half. In another thread several posters say they are planing to do the ride next season. If some of them would comment on how much stuff they plan to carry and how they deal with water I would appreciate it. I am not sure how I would go about hauling 2+ gallons on my bike. Grocery panniers and a milk jug on either side? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
I wear a 100 oz hydration pack. With two 1-liter bags, that's 5 liters. And I'll probably carry two or three water bottles in the really dry sections. I'm going to be around 2 gallons, I guess. Not sure really. On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 6:00 PM, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote: Deacon and Anne, thanks for the info. Do you put the 100oz hydro pack/blader in a bike mounted bag or are you wearing those on your back? Anne, sounds like you plan to go with well under 2gal of water storage. Have I got that right? I get that somebody stoping to sleep/camp needs a bunch of gear that a nonstop rider doesn't, but the 2gal that site mentions seems like a whole lot more than I thought folks usually carry on a day (or two) ride. Are the water needs for the fast movers that much less than for those going at a more leisurely pace? thnks Ted On Saturday, November 22, 2014 10:34:15 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: Because I'm taking the slow route, I'm going to carry way more stuff than Jan. I'll have tent sleeping bag pad wool t shirt and lycra shorts for riding wool jersey and wool legwarmers for riding when it's cold off-bike clothes (I can't sit around in wet cycling clothing; I get immediately chilled) second pair of shorts (I know you guys can wear the same shorts two days in a row, but that does not work for me at all) wool hat puffy jacket rain clothes little cookset of Trangia burner, titanium pot, Westwind pot stand, cup, spork food Ursack food bag to protect food from marauders 100 oz hydration pack couple of 1 liter bladders for no-water section water filter food tools, spare tubes soap first aid kit bandannas, 1001 uses meds toiletries probably my Tilley hat with a brim, for sun probably some Crocs The hydration pack plus the two bladders is about 5 liters. I might also in the no-water section carry more water, not sure. I'm going to have to camp dry one night. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 9:55 AM, ted ted@comcast.net wrote: I am intrigued by the route but hough the trip sounds very appealing, it also sounds very daunting. For example this from http://velodirt.com/the-oregon-outback/: ... At the longest no-water section we each carried 2+ gallons of water. ... Yet Jan Heine did it on a rando bike, and several riders did it in about a day and a half. In another thread several posters say they are planing to do the ride next season. If some of them would comment on how much stuff they plan to carry and how they deal with water I would appreciate it. I am not sure how I would go about hauling 2+ gallons on my bike. Grocery panniers and a milk jug on either side? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
I don't remember. Wherever it works. Test before hand. Irish straps are beautiful! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
I think there are 3.785 liters in a gallon or about 7.5 liters for 2 gallons. Your 5 liters is abt 1 and 1/3 gallons. With 3 28oz bottles like Deacon carries thats another ~2/3 of a gallon. So yea I guess that puts you at ~2gal for the longer dry stretches. Thanks for setting me straight. On Sunday, November 23, 2014 6:15:23 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: I wear a 100 oz hydration pack. With two 1-liter bags, that's 5 liters. And I'll probably carry two or three water bottles in the really dry sections. I'm going to be around 2 gallons, I guess. Not sure really. On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 6:00 PM, ted ted@comcast.net javascript: wrote: Deacon and Anne, thanks for the info. Do you put the 100oz hydro pack/blader in a bike mounted bag or are you wearing those on your back? Anne, sounds like you plan to go with well under 2gal of water storage. Have I got that right? I get that somebody stoping to sleep/camp needs a bunch of gear that a nonstop rider doesn't, but the 2gal that site mentions seems like a whole lot more than I thought folks usually carry on a day (or two) ride. Are the water needs for the fast movers that much less than for those going at a more leisurely pace? thnks Ted On Saturday, November 22, 2014 10:34:15 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: Because I'm taking the slow route, I'm going to carry way more stuff than Jan. I'll have tent sleeping bag pad wool t shirt and lycra shorts for riding wool jersey and wool legwarmers for riding when it's cold off-bike clothes (I can't sit around in wet cycling clothing; I get immediately chilled) second pair of shorts (I know you guys can wear the same shorts two days in a row, but that does not work for me at all) wool hat puffy jacket rain clothes little cookset of Trangia burner, titanium pot, Westwind pot stand, cup, spork food Ursack food bag to protect food from marauders 100 oz hydration pack couple of 1 liter bladders for no-water section water filter food tools, spare tubes soap first aid kit bandannas, 1001 uses meds toiletries probably my Tilley hat with a brim, for sun probably some Crocs The hydration pack plus the two bladders is about 5 liters. I might also in the no-water section carry more water, not sure. I'm going to have to camp dry one night. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 9:55 AM, ted ted@comcast.net wrote: I am intrigued by the route but hough the trip sounds very appealing, it also sounds very daunting. For example this from http://velodirt.com/the-oregon-outback/: ... At the longest no-water section we each carried 2+ gallons of water. ... Yet Jan Heine did it on a rando bike, and several riders did it in about a day and a half. In another thread several posters say they are planing to do the ride next season. If some of them would comment on how much stuff they plan to carry and how they deal with water I would appreciate it. I am not sure how I would go about hauling 2+ gallons on my bike. Grocery panniers and a milk jug on either side? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
I think this http://epicureancyclist.com/review-msr-dromedary-and-s-biners/ looks fairly nice. On Sunday, November 23, 2014 6:26:13 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: I don't remember. Wherever it works. Test before hand. Irish straps are beautiful! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
Water is the heaviest item by volume you will carry. It pays to get it as low as practicable. With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, November 23, 2014 7:36:49 PM UTC-7, ted wrote: I think this http://epicureancyclist.com/review-msr-dromedary-and-s-biners/ looks fairly nice. On Sunday, November 23, 2014 6:26:13 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: I don't remember. Wherever it works. Test before hand. Irish straps are beautiful! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
On 11/23/2014 09:39 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: Water is the heaviest item by volume you will carry. It pays to get it as low as practicable. And water is one of the few things that if you don't have it, you can die. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
Steve, I was, saying the lower positioned on the bike the water is, the better. I was not saying the less the better. With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, November 23, 2014 8:00:26 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 11/23/2014 09:39 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: Water is the heaviest item by volume you will carry. It pays to get it as low as practicable. And water is one of the few things that if you don't have it, you can die. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
Why? Why should you get it low? I would have thought keeping it on your back, above the suspension (your knees) would be better. On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Water is the heaviest item by volume you will carry. It pays to get it as low as practicable. With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, November 23, 2014 7:36:49 PM UTC-7, ted wrote: I think this http://epicureancyclist.com/review-msr-dromedary-and-s-biners/ looks fairly nice. On Sunday, November 23, 2014 6:26:13 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: I don't remember. Wherever it works. Test before hand. Irish straps are beautiful! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
Ok. Seems like the usual locations for bottle cages on the down and seat tubes do that, but once those spaces are taken finding someplace for another say gallon and a half on a small or medium size bike presents some challenges. I suppose you can put containers in the bottom of a pannier but thats not very convenient for access. On Sunday, November 23, 2014 6:39:09 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Water is the heaviest item by volume you will carry. It pays to get it as low as practicable. With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, November 23, 2014 7:36:49 PM UTC-7, ted wrote: I think this http://epicureancyclist.com/review-msr-dromedary-and-s-biners/ looks fairly nice. On Sunday, November 23, 2014 6:26:13 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: I don't remember. Wherever it works. Test before hand. Irish straps are beautiful! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
Sounds reasonable and if it works well for you thats great. I usually prefer not to have a pack on if I am riding for a long time. I would rather have what I need attached to the bike somehow. On Sunday, November 23, 2014 8:06:26 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: Why? Why should you get it low? I would have thought keeping it on your back, above the suspension (your knees) would be better. On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com javascript: wrote: Water is the heaviest item by volume you will carry. It pays to get it as low as practicable. With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, November 23, 2014 7:36:49 PM UTC-7, ted wrote: I think this http://epicureancyclist.com/review-msr-dromedary-and-s-biners/ looks fairly nice. On Sunday, November 23, 2014 6:26:13 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: I don't remember. Wherever it works. Test before hand. Irish straps are beautiful! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Oregon Outback and water
I am intrigued by the route but hough the trip sounds very appealing, it also sounds very daunting. For example this from http://velodirt.com/the-oregon-outback/: ... At the longest no-water section we each carried 2+ gallons of water. ... Yet Jan Heine did it on a rando bike, and several riders did it in about a day and a half. In another thread several posters say they are planing to do the ride next season. If some of them would comment on how much stuff they plan to carry and how they deal with water I would appreciate it. I am not sure how I would go about hauling 2+ gallons on my bike. Grocery panniers and a milk jug on either side? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water
Because I'm taking the slow route, I'm going to carry way more stuff than Jan. I'll have tent sleeping bag pad wool t shirt and lycra shorts for riding wool jersey and wool legwarmers for riding when it's cold off-bike clothes (I can't sit around in wet cycling clothing; I get immediately chilled) second pair of shorts (I know you guys can wear the same shorts two days in a row, but that does not work for me at all) wool hat puffy jacket rain clothes little cookset of Trangia burner, titanium pot, Westwind pot stand, cup, spork food Ursack food bag to protect food from marauders 100 oz hydration pack couple of 1 liter bladders for no-water section water filter food tools, spare tubes soap first aid kit bandannas, 1001 uses meds toiletries probably my Tilley hat with a brim, for sun probably some Crocs The hydration pack plus the two bladders is about 5 liters. I might also in the no-water section carry more water, not sure. I'm going to have to camp dry one night. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 9:55 AM, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote: I am intrigued by the route but hough the trip sounds very appealing, it also sounds very daunting. For example this from http://velodirt.com/the-oregon-outback/: ... At the longest no-water section we each carried 2+ gallons of water. ... Yet Jan Heine did it on a rando bike, and several riders did it in about a day and a half. In another thread several posters say they are planing to do the ride next season. If some of them would comment on how much stuff they plan to carry and how they deal with water I would appreciate it. I am not sure how I would go about hauling 2+ gallons on my bike. Grocery panniers and a milk jug on either side? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
