Re: [RBW] Possible issue with Nitto Tallux stem and Nitto Albatross bars

[JohnS]

A little grease on the bolt threads helps too.

JohnS

On Friday, December 28, 2018 at 3:04:49 PM UTC-5, Jon Dukeman,central 
Colorado wrote:
>
> Try cleaning the stem and bar where they meet of any grease or oil.
> Torgue the M8 bolt to :120-140inch pounds or14-16Nm
>
> Many times we think a bolt is tightened enough but actually isn't.
> A torque wrench will prevent damage from over tightening and remove any 
> doubt.
> If you don't have a torgue wrench take your bike to your LBS and they 
> should check the torque for you free of charge.
> If that fails to stop the bars from slipping try shimming the stem as 
> others have mentioned above.
> Jon
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Re: [RBW] Possible issue with Nitto Tallux stem and Nitto Albatross bars

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Try cleaning the stem and bar where they meet of any grease or oil.
Torgue the M8 bolt to :120-140inch pounds or14-16Nm

Many times we think a bolt is tightened enough but actually isn't.
A torque wrench will prevent damage from over tightening and remove any doubt.
If you don't have a torgue wrench take your bike to your LBS and they should 
check the torque for you free of charge.
If that fails to stop the bars from slipping try shimming the stem as others 
have mentioned above.
Jon

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Re: [RBW] Possible issue with Nitto Tallux stem and Nitto Albatross bars

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sean:

If nothing else works, get an aluminum soda or beer can and cut out a small 
shim—enough to wrap around the bar. An aluminum can is about 0.097mm thick, so 
wrapping it once around the bars will add about 0.2mm diameter, which might 
make up a small difference between your bars and stem (the stem must be larger, 
or the bars wouldn’t fit into the stem). If a full wrap is too much, cut it in 
half or a little less. Tighten it up and test it carefully at low speed.

You could also try scoring the clamping area on the bar so it’s not quite as 
smooth. The pointy end of a small file should work, or a scribing tool.

--Eric Norris
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> On Dec 28, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Sean B.  wrote:
> 
> They are the correct sizes. Both are marked 25.4, they only really slip when 
> I stand up on the pedals. I feel like the clamp it already too tight, but I 
> guess the only damage I could do would be to the bolt. It just seems odd to 
> me seeing as these are both parts offered by Riv. 
> 
> On Friday, December 28, 2018 at 12:02:25 PM UTC-6, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
> Sean, are you absolutely sure of the clamp size of the stem you have?  The 
> Albatross bars are spec'ed at 25.4 (I believe) and the Tallux stem is 
> available in 25.4 or 26.0.  A 26.0 version would cause what you are 
> describing, at least without using shims.  I know some stems are clearly 
> marked but I do not know about the Tallux.
> 
> Bob
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Re: [RBW] Possible issue with Nitto Tallux stem and Nitto Albatross bars

[Sean B.]

They are the correct sizes. Both are marked 25.4, they only really slip 
when I stand up on the pedals. I feel like the clamp it already too tight, 
but I guess the only damage I could do would be to the bolt. It just seems 
odd to me seeing as these are both parts offered by Riv. 

On Friday, December 28, 2018 at 12:02:16 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> I know it sounds basic, but you’re sure the bars and stem are the same 
> size? It’s hard to tell by looking at them. 
>
> With long bars like the Albas, you’re applying a lot of torque on the 
> stem/bar connection, so it’s going to be a little harder than usual to keep 
> them from rotating. 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
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>
> On Dec 28, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Sean B. > 
> wrote:
>
> The bars rotate down within the stem when weight is applied to the bars. 
> "Hammering" down on the bolt = over-tightening the clamp. 
>
> On Friday, December 28, 2018 at 11:49:42 AM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> Sean:
>>
>> What’s slipping? The bars in the stem, or the stem in the steerer? How 
>> does “hammering down on the bolt” work?
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>>
>> On Dec 28, 2018, at 9:46 AM, Sean B.  wrote:
>>
>> Hello!
>>
>> Has anyone experienced and slippage with this setup? I know i have the 
>> correct sizes, but it keeps slipping when the bolt is tightened. I'm afraid 
>> to keep hammering down on the bolt and damaging anything. How tight is too 
>> tight? Any tips?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -Sean 
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Re: [RBW] Possible issue with Nitto Tallux stem and Nitto Albatross bars

[Sean B.]

They are the correct sizes. Both are marked 25.4, they only really slip 
when I stand up on the pedals. I feel like the clamp it already too tight, 
but I guess the only damage I could do would be to the bolt. It just seems 
odd to me seeing as these are both parts offered by Riv. 

On Friday, December 28, 2018 at 12:02:25 PM UTC-6, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Sean, are you absolutely sure of the clamp size of the stem you have?  The 
> Albatross bars are spec'ed at 25.4 (I believe) and the Tallux stem is 
> available in 25.4 or 26.0.  A 26.0 version would cause what you are 
> describing, at least without using shims.  I know some stems are clearly 
> marked but I do not know about the Tallux.
>
> Bob
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Re: [RBW] Possible issue with Nitto Tallux stem and Nitto Albatross bars

[Bob Lovejoy]

Sean, are you absolutely sure of the clamp size of the stem you have?  The 
Albatross bars are spec'ed at 25.4 (I believe) and the Tallux stem is 
available in 25.4 or 26.0.  A 26.0 version would cause what you are 
describing, at least without using shims.  I know some stems are clearly 
marked but I do not know about the Tallux.

Bob

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Re: [RBW] Possible issue with Nitto Tallux stem and Nitto Albatross bars

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I know it sounds basic, but you’re sure the bars and stem are the same size? 
It’s hard to tell by looking at them. 

With long bars like the Albas, you’re applying a lot of torque on the stem/bar 
connection, so it’s going to be a little harder than usual to keep them from 
rotating. 

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

> On Dec 28, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Sean B.  wrote:
> 
> The bars rotate down within the stem when weight is applied to the bars. 
> "Hammering" down on the bolt = over-tightening the clamp. 
> 
> On Friday, December 28, 2018 at 11:49:42 AM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
> Sean:
> 
> What’s slipping? The bars in the stem, or the stem in the steerer? How does 
> “hammering down on the bolt” work?
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com <>
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2018, at 9:46 AM, Sean B. > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello!
>> 
>> Has anyone experienced and slippage with this setup? I know i have the 
>> correct sizes, but it keeps slipping when the bolt is tightened. I'm afraid 
>> to keep hammering down on the bolt and damaging anything. How tight is too 
>> tight? Any tips?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> -Sean 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Possible issue with Nitto Tallux stem and Nitto Albatross bars

[Patrick Moore]

I've experienced that and I'd guess that, despite the specs, your clamp is
very slightly too big for your bar. But before getting a new stem or new
bar, try using the appropriate type of Loctite. I once had an expensive and
very slightly undersized 27.2 seatpost for my gofast Riv that would slip at
the rate of, Oh, say, 1/2" per mile. Blue Loctite fixed that.

Anecdote: Long, long ago, in a galaxy far, far away, I owned a 5-speed,
tourist-bar, 5-speed* Raleigh Sprite that I wanted to hot rod. So I flipped
the North Road bar, trimmed 2" from each end, and fancied that I was fast.
But I discovered that, with more weight on the bar (this was pre-Grant
instruction to get the saddle back, so that your torso muscles support
themselves), every time I hit a minor pothole or major frost heave, the bar
would slip down.

This happened once near DuPont Circle in WDC, and since there was a bike
shop nearby, I went in and plaintively explained my problem. The burly
mechanic said, "I can fix that" and took a long-handled wrench and
proceeded to torque down the bar clamp bolt. Of course, everything was mild
steel, so no problem.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 10:46 AM Sean B.  wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Has anyone experienced and slippage with this setup? I know i have the
> correct sizes, but it keeps slipping when the bolt is tightened. I'm afraid
> to keep hammering down on the bolt and damaging anything. How tight is too
> tight? Any tips?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Sean
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Re: [RBW] Possible issue with Nitto Tallux stem and Nitto Albatross bars

[Sean B.]

The bars rotate down within the stem when weight is applied to the bars. 
"Hammering" down on the bolt = over-tightening the clamp. 

On Friday, December 28, 2018 at 11:49:42 AM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Sean:
>
> What’s slipping? The bars in the stem, or the stem in the steerer? How 
> does “hammering down on the bolt” work?
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
> On Dec 28, 2018, at 9:46 AM, Sean B. > 
> wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> Has anyone experienced and slippage with this setup? I know i have the 
> correct sizes, but it keeps slipping when the bolt is tightened. I'm afraid 
> to keep hammering down on the bolt and damaging anything. How tight is too 
> tight? Any tips?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Sean 
>
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Re: [RBW] Possible issue with Nitto Tallux stem and Nitto Albatross bars

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sean:

What’s slipping? The bars in the stem, or the stem in the steerer? How does 
“hammering down on the bolt” work?

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

> On Dec 28, 2018, at 9:46 AM, Sean B.  wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> 
> Has anyone experienced and slippage with this setup? I know i have the 
> correct sizes, but it keeps slipping when the bolt is tightened. I'm afraid 
> to keep hammering down on the bolt and damaging anything. How tight is too 
> tight? Any tips?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -Sean 
> 
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[RBW] Possible issue with Nitto Tallux stem and Nitto Albatross bars

[Sean B.]

Hello!

Has anyone experienced and slippage with this setup? I know i have the 
correct sizes, but it keeps slipping when the bolt is tightened. I'm afraid 
to keep hammering down on the bolt and damaging anything. How tight is too 
tight? Any tips?

Thanks.

-Sean 

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