Re: [RBW] Racer loves Rivendell
Here's this years Tour Divide winner, Josh Kato's Salsa Fargo TI. Clipless pedals, shocks, XTR, drops, and disc brakes it is :p. http://www.bikepacking.com/gear/salsa-fargo-ti-josh-kato-tour-divide/ http://www.bikepacking.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/josh-kato-salsa-fargo-01.jpg On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 5:04:37 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote: Nobody ever said that only MCRB's are available. I just said that only MCRB's are raced and glamorized, and that real world bike design could benefit from the same testing and glamour that MCRB's receive. I'm advocating race testing of practical, durable, and reliable bikes. Reliability would be race tested. That would provide useful information to the public. Wouldn't you be interested to know which fast bike could complete a long race with the fewest repairs and the most reliability? I might buy that bike. Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Racer loves Rivendell
Is there any form of competition that glamorizes real world equipment? Certainly not cars. Too many golfers buy the clubs and balls the pros use. I can't think of an example. Glamorizing the normal would make it not-normal, at least partially. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Racer loves Rivendell
now that Fargo is a race bike! no pansy bike with upright prairie dog bars. and a carbon fork too!! On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 6:59:31 AM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote: Here's this years Tour Divide winner, Josh Kato's Salsa Fargo TI. Clipless pedals, shocks, XTR, drops, and disc brakes it is :p. http://www.bikepacking.com/gear/salsa-fargo-ti-josh-kato-tour-divide/ http://www.bikepacking.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/josh-kato-salsa-fargo-01.jpg On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 5:04:37 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote: Nobody ever said that only MCRB's are available. I just said that only MCRB's are raced and glamorized, and that real world bike design could benefit from the same testing and glamour that MCRB's receive. I'm advocating race testing of practical, durable, and reliable bikes. Reliability would be race tested. That would provide useful information to the public. Wouldn't you be interested to know which fast bike could complete a long race with the fewest repairs and the most reliability? I might buy that bike. Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Racer loves Rivendell
What is a pansy bike? What are prairie dog bars? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Racer loves Rivendell
On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 9:53:51 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: What are prairie dog bars? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Racer loves Rivendell
I didn't even know prarie dogs consumed alcohol On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 12:21:48 PM UTC-5, pb wrote: On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 9:53:51 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: What are prairie dog bars? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Racer loves Rivendell
The Dutch love bike racing but the country is awash with normal bikes. I have friends who live in Hilversum, a village outside of Amsterdam, and it is a real education to sit at a cafe in the shopping centre there and watch the horde of people turn up on normal bicycles to shop at the supermarket, go to the chemist, get a snack all on bicycles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Racer loves Rivendell
Good point, but we really need bike education here in the US. The Dutch have extensive bike education starting in early school and going all the way up. I am an LCI, and I have taught How to Choose a Bike classes. I assure you, the level of ignorance among the general public is breath taking. People really think that MCRB's will make them 10 MPH faster than a normal bike. When I do the One MPH faster for every 12 pounds math and show them that the difference in their commute time is more like 30 seconds, their eyes open up. Then I tell them that they spent more time than that putting on their special shoes and jersey. The Dutch know that...Americans do not. Doug On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 2:51:09 AM UTC-7, George Millwood wrote: The Dutch love bike racing but the country is awash with normal bikes. I have friends who live in Hilversum, a village outside of Amsterdam, and it is a real education to sit at a cafe in the shopping centre there and watch the horde of people turn up on normal bicycles to shop at the supermarket, go to the chemist, get a snack all on bicycles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Racer loves Rivendell
What useful bikes are being kept from buyers? Hybrids, city bikes, cyclocross bikes, fat tire gravel bikes... All are easily available. I think it's time to stop the narrative that people only buy MCFR bikes because that's all that's available, or they're somehow forced to. People have more options than ever, and can buy what they want. Eric but no MCFR bike for me Daume On Wednesday, July 29, 2015, Doug Williams salg...@minbaritm.com wrote: I just think that racing has a negative impact on bike design for the general public. Keep BORAF and races like that if you want, but I would like to see many more real world races on real world bikes which would influence bicycle purchases in a POSITIVE rather than a negative manner. Current races glamorize super lightweight, super fragile bikes. Have equipment endurance racing events (or whatever you want to call them) and make the racers start and finish on the SAME bike, carry all their tools and spare parts, and make all their own in race repairs.This would glamorize USEFUL bikes and encourage bike makers to make useful bikes available to the public, instead of the ridiculously impractical bikes glamorized in most races. Who goes on their daily ride with a van with 3 spare bikes, spare parts, and a mechanic following? Why would you want to buy and ride a bike that requires that logistics trail? True, we all know about RBW and other such bikes on this list. But I bet that the average bike purchaser does NOT. Equipment Endurance type races on durable and repairable bikes would help educate the buying public and steer them onto a bike that would be much better for them than the typical MCRB. Again, the only race rules would be: (1) Start and finish on the same bike. (2) Carry all your own repair parts and tools. (3) Make all your own in race repairs. No other design rules would be necessary. Bike manufacturers would be encouraged to manufacture and advertise bikes that would be useful to the public. Doug On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 6:17:29 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: There's a definite negative attitude on this list toward racers. Me, I like watching racers in a well-coordinated paceline or climbing efficiently or descending skillfully; never raced worth mentioning myself. Our local roadies are friendly, and I think 40 year old racing bikes have much to recommend them as road-biased all rounders. That said, I rode my (modestly racer-like, albeit fixed gear) gofast to Fat Tire Bicycles this afternoon to pick up a new (black, clamp on, 1 1/8) stem for the Fargo (new, longer reach bar) and a tandem rd cable (running the housing along the bar to exit with brake housing near stem). The young man at the register saw the '99 Joe and praised it and described the Legolas he races local cross on. He installed a straight bar because his background is downhill mtb racing, but he finds it much more comfortable than his CF cross bike, and says that it doesn't slow him down (he loses ground to roadies on the flats/straights, but gets ahead on twisties thanks to his mtb handling skills. So, there. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com'); . To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com');. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Racer loves Rivendell
Nobody ever said that only MCRB's are available. I just said that only MCRB's are raced and glamorized, and that real world bike design could benefit from the same testing and glamour that MCRB's receive. I'm advocating race testing of practical, durable, and reliable bikes. Reliability would be race tested. That would provide useful information to the public. Wouldn't you be interested to know which fast bike could complete a long race with the fewest repairs and the most reliability? I might buy that bike. Doug On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 4:51:40 PM UTC-7, Eric Daume wrote: What useful bikes are being kept from buyers? Hybrids, city bikes, cyclocross bikes, fat tire gravel bikes... All are easily available. I think it's time to stop the narrative that people only buy MCFR bikes because that's all that's available, or they're somehow forced to. People have more options than ever, and can buy what they want. Eric but no MCFR bike for me Daume On Wednesday, July 29, 2015, Doug Williams sal...@minbaritm.com javascript: wrote: I just think that racing has a negative impact on bike design for the general public. Keep BORAF and races like that if you want, but I would like to see many more real world races on real world bikes which would influence bicycle purchases in a POSITIVE rather than a negative manner. Current races glamorize super lightweight, super fragile bikes. Have equipment endurance racing events (or whatever you want to call them) and make the racers start and finish on the SAME bike, carry all their tools and spare parts, and make all their own in race repairs.This would glamorize USEFUL bikes and encourage bike makers to make useful bikes available to the public, instead of the ridiculously impractical bikes glamorized in most races. Who goes on their daily ride with a van with 3 spare bikes, spare parts, and a mechanic following? Why would you want to buy and ride a bike that requires that logistics trail? True, we all know about RBW and other such bikes on this list. But I bet that the average bike purchaser does NOT. Equipment Endurance type races on durable and repairable bikes would help educate the buying public and steer them onto a bike that would be much better for them than the typical MCRB. Again, the only race rules would be: (1) Start and finish on the same bike. (2) Carry all your own repair parts and tools. (3) Make all your own in race repairs. No other design rules would be necessary. Bike manufacturers would be encouraged to manufacture and advertise bikes that would be useful to the public. Doug On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 6:17:29 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: There's a definite negative attitude on this list toward racers. Me, I like watching racers in a well-coordinated paceline or climbing efficiently or descending skillfully; never raced worth mentioning myself. Our local roadies are friendly, and I think 40 year old racing bikes have much to recommend them as road-biased all rounders. That said, I rode my (modestly racer-like, albeit fixed gear) gofast to Fat Tire Bicycles this afternoon to pick up a new (black, clamp on, 1 1/8) stem for the Fargo (new, longer reach bar) and a tandem rd cable (running the housing along the bar to exit with brake housing near stem). The young man at the register saw the '99 Joe and praised it and described the Legolas he races local cross on. He installed a straight bar because his background is downhill mtb racing, but he finds it much more comfortable than his CF cross bike, and says that it doesn't slow him down (he loses ground to roadies on the flats/straights, but gets ahead on twisties thanks to his mtb handling skills. So, there. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To
[RBW] Racer loves Rivendell
There's a definite negative attitude on this list toward racers. Me, I like watching racers in a well-coordinated paceline or climbing efficiently or descending skillfully; never raced worth mentioning myself. Our local roadies are friendly, and I think 40 year old racing bikes have much to recommend them as road-biased all rounders. That said, I rode my (modestly racer-like, albeit fixed gear) gofast to Fat Tire Bicycles this afternoon to pick up a new (black, clamp on, 1 1/8) stem for the Fargo (new, longer reach bar) and a tandem rd cable (running the housing along the bar to exit with brake housing near stem). The young man at the register saw the '99 Joe and praised it and described the Legolas he races local cross on. He installed a straight bar because his background is downhill mtb racing, but he finds it much more comfortable than his CF cross bike, and says that it doesn't slow him down (he loses ground to roadies on the flats/straights, but gets ahead on twisties thanks to his mtb handling skills. So, there. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
