Re: [RBW] Re: Another Rivendell... which one?

2011-02-14 Thread Stonehog
Sheesh - don't mess with a guy's excuse to get a second Rivendell!  Jim - go 
with a Homer.  If you are longing that way, it won't let you down. 

Brian (with Homer, wanting a Saluki)

On Feb 14, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Jim Phillips  wrote:

> Hard to explain but we take 5 dogs and luggage including astronomy gear. I 
> just prefer to have a second bike and not carry one back and forth. Perhaps 
> just an excuse.
> 
> JimP
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 14, 2011, at 7:26 AM, MichaelH  wrote:
> 
>> Pardon me, but could you help me understand why the bike wouldn't fit
>> on a hitch or roof rack?  Maybe all you need is a second set of wheels
>> and a nice Saris hitch rack?
>> 
>> michael
>> 
>> On Feb 13, 10:41 am, JimP  wrote:
>>> I have  a Sam Hillborne which I love, I ordered it with a 56 cm frame
>>> and, as it turns out, I should have ordered the 54. Even so, it rides
>>> like a dream. I have a farm located about 200 miles from home. It is
>>> difficult to carry the bike back and forth without taking two cars so,
>>> ahem... I have an excuse to buy another Rivendell. :^)
>>> To be honest I really want an A. Homer Hilson but I do realize it is
>>> very similar (functionally identical) to the Hillborne. That's OK as
>>> the two bikes will be at different locations but I should at least
>>> give thought to another type Rivendell, maybe an Atlantis, a Rodeo,
>>> Ramboulet or... What do you think?
>>> 
>>> I am 60 yo and have really just gotten into cycling. At home I ride
>>> around the city just absorbing the beauty of being outdoors in a
>>> wonderful old city. I take a camera sometimes and like photographing
>>> some of the beauty (including bike) around me. But, mostly I just
>>> enjoy the ride. I usually ride for about 40 minutes to an hour and
>>> head back home. At the Farm I have access to about 3000 acres of
>>> pastures and hardwood forests with horse trails and, no trails at all.
>>> I want to explore this area with my bike again, just enjoying the
>>> scenery and being outside alone with nature.
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts?
>>> 
>>> best,
>>> 
>>> JimP
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Another Rivendell... which one?

2011-02-14 Thread doug peterson
Best excuse I've heard in a long time; gotta keep that in mind except
we don't have dogs.

As to the stair thing, any bike is a hassle to lug up & down stairs.
They are kinda cumbersome even if light.  A typical Riv set up
suitable for country rambling is going to be at least 25 lbs and
probably closer to 30.  My Atlantis is always around 30 & I frequently
hike down some stairs at a Metrolink station.  It's only a long single
flight & that's plenty.  Bikes & stairs just don't work too well
together.

dougP

On Feb 14, 8:41 am, Jim Phillips  wrote:
> Hard to explain but we take 5 dogs and luggage including astronomy gear. I 
> just prefer to have a second bike and not carry one back and forth. Perhaps 
> just an excuse.
>
> JimP
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 14, 2011, at 7:26 AM, MichaelH  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Pardon me, but could you help me understand why the bike wouldn't fit
> > on a hitch or roof rack?  Maybe all you need is a second set of wheels
> > and a nice Saris hitch rack?
>
> > michael
>
> > On Feb 13, 10:41 am, JimP  wrote:
> >> I have  a Sam Hillborne which I love, I ordered it with a 56 cm frame
> >> and, as it turns out, I should have ordered the 54. Even so, it rides
> >> like a dream. I have a farm located about 200 miles from home. It is
> >> difficult to carry the bike back and forth without taking two cars so,
> >> ahem... I have an excuse to buy another Rivendell. :^)
> >> To be honest I really want an A. Homer Hilson but I do realize it is
> >> very similar (functionally identical) to the Hillborne. That's OK as
> >> the two bikes will be at different locations but I should at least
> >> give thought to another type Rivendell, maybe an Atlantis, a Rodeo,
> >> Ramboulet or... What do you think?
>
> >> I am 60 yo and have really just gotten into cycling. At home I ride
> >> around the city just absorbing the beauty of being outdoors in a
> >> wonderful old city. I take a camera sometimes and like photographing
> >> some of the beauty (including bike) around me. But, mostly I just
> >> enjoy the ride. I usually ride for about 40 minutes to an hour and
> >> head back home. At the Farm I have access to about 3000 acres of
> >> pastures and hardwood forests with horse trails and, no trails at all.
> >> I want to explore this area with my bike again, just enjoying the
> >> scenery and being outside alone with nature.
>
> >> Any thoughts?
>
> >> best,
>
> >> JimP
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Rivendell... which one?

2011-02-14 Thread Jon Grant
Farm 200 miles away, already enough stuff to carry on frequent trips? No
excuses -- I¹d say that makes a good argument for another bike at the farm.
If the budget allowed another Rivendell, I¹d be likely to choose a
Hunqapillar or a Bombadil, considering the more rural nature of the
location. Regardless of make or model, I¹d be less inclined to get something
too similar to what I already have, unless the two places had nearly
identical terrain and riding conditions.

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From: JimP 
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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 11:41:22 -0500
To: "rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Another Rivendell... which one?

Hard to explain but we take 5 dogs and luggage including astronomy gear. I
just prefer to have a second bike and not carry one back and forth. Perhaps
just an excuse.

JimP

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Rivendell... which one?

2011-02-14 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I'd guess that a second Sam Hill might be a good choice for a "second
location" bike that will be used on pavement and dirt. I had one, and
while I didn't like the handling -- the front seemed to wander, though
this may have been due to the fact that I had the bar a good 4 or 5
inches above those on my other Rivs -- many others like it very much.
Cheap (ish, for a Riv), well designed (all the braze ons you need
except for a front low rider), takes 45s or so without fenders.

Why not get a 54 and ship the 56 to the farm?

I think that, if someone said to me, "Here, Patrick, take this SH for
free," I'd set it up with lower bars, shorter stem and 40s or so. As
it is, I have all the road, off road and load carrying bikes I need.

Tho' it would be nice to have a Roadeo  AND a 21 lb ss 29er 
AND a British racing tricycle  AND 

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[RBW] Re: Another Rivendell... which one?

2011-02-14 Thread MichaelH
I have a 10.5 lb mini dachsund.  I'm guessing your dogs are a tad
larger.
michael

On Feb 14, 11:41 am, Jim Phillips  wrote:
> Hard to explain but we take 5 dogs and luggage including astronomy gear. I 
> just prefer to have a second bike and not carry one back and forth. Perhaps 
> just an excuse.
>
> JimP
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 14, 2011, at 7:26 AM, MichaelH  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Pardon me, but could you help me understand why the bike wouldn't fit
> > on a hitch or roof rack?  Maybe all you need is a second set of wheels
> > and a nice Saris hitch rack?
>
> > michael
>
> > On Feb 13, 10:41 am, JimP  wrote:
> >> I have  a Sam Hillborne which I love, I ordered it with a 56 cm frame
> >> and, as it turns out, I should have ordered the 54. Even so, it rides
> >> like a dream. I have a farm located about 200 miles from home. It is
> >> difficult to carry the bike back and forth without taking two cars so,
> >> ahem... I have an excuse to buy another Rivendell. :^)
> >> To be honest I really want an A. Homer Hilson but I do realize it is
> >> very similar (functionally identical) to the Hillborne. That's OK as
> >> the two bikes will be at different locations but I should at least
> >> give thought to another type Rivendell, maybe an Atlantis, a Rodeo,
> >> Ramboulet or... What do you think?
>
> >> I am 60 yo and have really just gotten into cycling. At home I ride
> >> around the city just absorbing the beauty of being outdoors in a
> >> wonderful old city. I take a camera sometimes and like photographing
> >> some of the beauty (including bike) around me. But, mostly I just
> >> enjoy the ride. I usually ride for about 40 minutes to an hour and
> >> head back home. At the Farm I have access to about 3000 acres of
> >> pastures and hardwood forests with horse trails and, no trails at all.
> >> I want to explore this area with my bike again, just enjoying the
> >> scenery and being outside alone with nature.
>
> >> Any thoughts?
>
> >> best,
>
> >> JimP
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Rivendell... which one?

2011-02-14 Thread Jim Phillips
Hard to explain but we take 5 dogs and luggage including astronomy gear. I just 
prefer to have a second bike and not carry one back and forth. Perhaps just an 
excuse.

JimP

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 14, 2011, at 7:26 AM, MichaelH  wrote:

> Pardon me, but could you help me understand why the bike wouldn't fit
> on a hitch or roof rack?  Maybe all you need is a second set of wheels
> and a nice Saris hitch rack?
> 
> michael
> 
> On Feb 13, 10:41 am, JimP  wrote:
>> I have  a Sam Hillborne which I love, I ordered it with a 56 cm frame
>> and, as it turns out, I should have ordered the 54. Even so, it rides
>> like a dream. I have a farm located about 200 miles from home. It is
>> difficult to carry the bike back and forth without taking two cars so,
>> ahem... I have an excuse to buy another Rivendell. :^)
>> To be honest I really want an A. Homer Hilson but I do realize it is
>> very similar (functionally identical) to the Hillborne. That's OK as
>> the two bikes will be at different locations but I should at least
>> give thought to another type Rivendell, maybe an Atlantis, a Rodeo,
>> Ramboulet or... What do you think?
>> 
>> I am 60 yo and have really just gotten into cycling. At home I ride
>> around the city just absorbing the beauty of being outdoors in a
>> wonderful old city. I take a camera sometimes and like photographing
>> some of the beauty (including bike) around me. But, mostly I just
>> enjoy the ride. I usually ride for about 40 minutes to an hour and
>> head back home. At the Farm I have access to about 3000 acres of
>> pastures and hardwood forests with horse trails and, no trails at all.
>> I want to explore this area with my bike again, just enjoying the
>> scenery and being outside alone with nature.
>> 
>> Any thoughts?
>> 
>> best,
>> 
>> JimP
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[RBW] Re: Another Rivendell... which one?

2011-02-14 Thread Earl Grey
Assuming equal number of top tubes, my guess is that the Sam falls
between the Hilsen and the Atlantis, based on its description on
rivbike.com: "It's a cross between the Atlantis, our cantilever-braked
touring bike, and the A. Homer HIlsen, our roadish country bike. "It's
a cross..." means it has tubing halfway in between the two (in wall
thickness...) and the 40mm max tire clearance (and straight
chainstays) of the A.Homer Hilsen.

I don't know about the Homer, but the Sam will do you good service on
the farm, assuming the stand over is not too tight. I run 40mm tires
on the Sam with fenders, and 42mm knobbies have plenty of space
without fenders, and I am able ride some fairly technical singletrack
with that setup. 45mm would probably fit as well, but haven't tried
that.

If you run something wider than a true 42-43 on a Sam, can you add a
reply to the tire thread on the Hillborne Flickr page, please?
http://www.flickr.com/groups/hillborne/discuss/72157625871894524/

Cheers,

Gernot


On Feb 14, 12:48 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
> on 2/13/11 5:11 PM, JimP at thefamil...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > OK, two questions that have nothing to do with the ride quality.
>
> > I know weight is a taboo question but I like in a row house and have
> > to carry my bikes up a fair number of stairs. Can someone list the
> > frames in order lightest to heaviest?
>
> Now, now...weight isn't taboo.  We just don't fixate on it. ;^)
>
> I'd reckon, based on nothing other than a guess:
> (bird-boned to stout roleur)
> Roadeo & San Marcos
> Legolas
> Quickbeam/SimpLeone
> Ramboulliet
> Hilsen
> Atlantis
> Hillborne
> Yves/Betty
> Hunquapillar
> Bombadil
>
> Some variances for interstitial models with fewer tubes, of course.
>
> But, I'd also say that since the frame varies by 1 or 2 pounds max, and your
> build would likely be mid 20's, that the frame weight is really only a
> quarter of the built bike weight.  So, if you are building it up, that other
> 3/4 is where you want to look.  Wheels, bb, saddle, etc...  all those things
> where losing the next pound is exponentially more expensive.
>
> > On the Rivendell site there are a number of Atlantis bikes pictured.
> > Which color do you get without having to pay more?
>
> Standard color on the Atlantis has been the "creamy greenish blue", as
> stated in the bicycle text.  You may just be noticing variance in color
> balance in the photos, though I think there are three custom colors also
> shown.
>
> - J
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[RBW] Re: Another Rivendell... which one?

2011-02-14 Thread MichaelH
Pardon me, but could you help me understand why the bike wouldn't fit
on a hitch or roof rack?  Maybe all you need is a second set of wheels
and a nice Saris hitch rack?

michael

On Feb 13, 10:41 am, JimP  wrote:
> I have  a Sam Hillborne which I love, I ordered it with a 56 cm frame
> and, as it turns out, I should have ordered the 54. Even so, it rides
> like a dream. I have a farm located about 200 miles from home. It is
> difficult to carry the bike back and forth without taking two cars so,
> ahem... I have an excuse to buy another Rivendell. :^)
> To be honest I really want an A. Homer Hilson but I do realize it is
> very similar (functionally identical) to the Hillborne. That's OK as
> the two bikes will be at different locations but I should at least
> give thought to another type Rivendell, maybe an Atlantis, a Rodeo,
> Ramboulet or... What do you think?
>
> I am 60 yo and have really just gotten into cycling. At home I ride
> around the city just absorbing the beauty of being outdoors in a
> wonderful old city. I take a camera sometimes and like photographing
> some of the beauty (including bike) around me. But, mostly I just
> enjoy the ride. I usually ride for about 40 minutes to an hour and
> head back home. At the Farm I have access to about 3000 acres of
> pastures and hardwood forests with horse trails and, no trails at all.
> I want to explore this area with my bike again, just enjoying the
> scenery and being outside alone with nature.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> best,
>
> JimP

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Rivendell... which one?

2011-02-13 Thread CycloFiend
on 2/13/11 5:11 PM, JimP at thefamil...@gmail.com wrote:

> OK, two questions that have nothing to do with the ride quality.
> 
> I know weight is a taboo question but I like in a row house and have
> to carry my bikes up a fair number of stairs. Can someone list the
> frames in order lightest to heaviest?

Now, now...weight isn't taboo.  We just don't fixate on it. ;^)

I'd reckon, based on nothing other than a guess:
(bird-boned to stout roleur)
Roadeo & San Marcos
Legolas
Quickbeam/SimpLeone
Ramboulliet
Hilsen
Atlantis
Hillborne
Yves/Betty
Hunquapillar
Bombadil

Some variances for interstitial models with fewer tubes, of course.

But, I'd also say that since the frame varies by 1 or 2 pounds max, and your
build would likely be mid 20's, that the frame weight is really only a
quarter of the built bike weight.  So, if you are building it up, that other
3/4 is where you want to look.  Wheels, bb, saddle, etc...  all those things
where losing the next pound is exponentially more expensive.

> On the Rivendell site there are a number of Atlantis bikes pictured.
> Which color do you get without having to pay more?

Standard color on the Atlantis has been the "creamy greenish blue", as
stated in the bicycle text.  You may just be noticing variance in color
balance in the photos, though I think there are three custom colors also
shown.

- J

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[RBW] Re: Another Rivendell... which one?

2011-02-13 Thread JimP
OK, two questions that have nothing to do with the ride quality.

I know weight is a taboo question but I like in a row house and have
to carry my bikes up a fair number of stairs. Can someone list the
frames in order lightest to heaviest?

On the Rivendell site there are a number of Atlantis bikes pictured.
Which color do you get without having to pay more?

best,

JimP




On Feb 13, 3:51 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
> Jim:
>
> I'm partial to the Atlantis since that's what I ride.  As others have
> pointed out, Bomba, Hunqa or Atlantis can all be set-up as equally
> competent country / off-road bikes for what you describe.  For the
> 3,000 acres of country riding, I'd want seriouly chubby tires, and
> would make a choice based on whatever takes the biggest tire you plan
> on using.
>
> dougP
>
> On Feb 13, 7:41 am, JimP  wrote:
>
> > I have  a Sam Hillborne which I love, I ordered it with a 56 cm frame
> > and, as it turns out, I should have ordered the 54. Even so, it rides
> > like a dream. I have a farm located about 200 miles from home. It is
> > difficult to carry the bike back and forth without taking two cars so,
> > ahem... I have an excuse to buy another Rivendell. :^)
> > To be honest I really want an A. Homer Hilson but I do realize it is
> > very similar (functionally identical) to the Hillborne. That's OK as
> > the two bikes will be at different locations but I should at least
> > give thought to another type Rivendell, maybe an Atlantis, a Rodeo,
> > Ramboulet or... What do you think?
>
> > I am 60 yo and have really just gotten into cycling. At home I ride
> > around the city just absorbing the beauty of being outdoors in a
> > wonderful old city. I take a camera sometimes and like photographing
> > some of the beauty (including bike) around me. But, mostly I just
> > enjoy the ride. I usually ride for about 40 minutes to an hour and
> > head back home. At the Farm I have access to about 3000 acres of
> > pastures and hardwood forests with horse trails and, no trails at all.
> > I want to explore this area with my bike again, just enjoying the
> > scenery and being outside alone with nature.
>
> > Any thoughts?
>
> > best,
>
> > JimP

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[RBW] Re: Another Rivendell... which one?

2011-02-13 Thread doug peterson
Jim:

I'm partial to the Atlantis since that's what I ride.  As others have
pointed out, Bomba, Hunqa or Atlantis can all be set-up as equally
competent country / off-road bikes for what you describe.  For the
3,000 acres of country riding, I'd want seriouly chubby tires, and
would make a choice based on whatever takes the biggest tire you plan
on using.

dougP

On Feb 13, 7:41 am, JimP  wrote:
> I have  a Sam Hillborne which I love, I ordered it with a 56 cm frame
> and, as it turns out, I should have ordered the 54. Even so, it rides
> like a dream. I have a farm located about 200 miles from home. It is
> difficult to carry the bike back and forth without taking two cars so,
> ahem... I have an excuse to buy another Rivendell. :^)
> To be honest I really want an A. Homer Hilson but I do realize it is
> very similar (functionally identical) to the Hillborne. That's OK as
> the two bikes will be at different locations but I should at least
> give thought to another type Rivendell, maybe an Atlantis, a Rodeo,
> Ramboulet or... What do you think?
>
> I am 60 yo and have really just gotten into cycling. At home I ride
> around the city just absorbing the beauty of being outdoors in a
> wonderful old city. I take a camera sometimes and like photographing
> some of the beauty (including bike) around me. But, mostly I just
> enjoy the ride. I usually ride for about 40 minutes to an hour and
> head back home. At the Farm I have access to about 3000 acres of
> pastures and hardwood forests with horse trails and, no trails at all.
> I want to explore this area with my bike again, just enjoying the
> scenery and being outside alone with nature.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> best,
>
> JimP

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RE: [RBW] Re: Another Rivendell... which one?

2011-02-13 Thread jim phillips

Whoops! I guess I was thinking Hilson when I said 54!

JimP

> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:52:00 -0800
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Another Rivendell... which one?
> From: earlg...@gmail.com
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> 
> I'd say, given the area around your farm, get a bike that can take
> wider tires than the Homer. Another Sam, at least, or better yet an
> Atlantis, Bomba, or Hunqa. Id' say these last 3 are similar enough
> that you could go by price and/or paint scheme. The Sam doesn't come
> in a 54, just a 52, which may be too small. The others thus may fit
> better, too.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Gernot
> (Sam Hillborne)
> 
> On Feb 13, 10:41 pm, JimP  wrote:
> > I have  a Sam Hillborne which I love, I ordered it with a 56 cm frame
> > and, as it turns out, I should have ordered the 54. Even so, it rides
> > like a dream. I have a farm located about 200 miles from home. It is
> > difficult to carry the bike back and forth without taking two cars so,
> > ahem... I have an excuse to buy another Rivendell. :^)
> > To be honest I really want an A. Homer Hilson but I do realize it is
> > very similar (functionally identical) to the Hillborne. That's OK as
> > the two bikes will be at different locations but I should at least
> > give thought to another type Rivendell, maybe an Atlantis, a Rodeo,
> > Ramboulet or... What do you think?
> >
> > I am 60 yo and have really just gotten into cycling. At home I ride
> > around the city just absorbing the beauty of being outdoors in a
> > wonderful old city. I take a camera sometimes and like photographing
> > some of the beauty (including bike) around me. But, mostly I just
> > enjoy the ride. I usually ride for about 40 minutes to an hour and
> > head back home. At the Farm I have access to about 3000 acres of
> > pastures and hardwood forests with horse trails and, no trails at all.
> > I want to explore this area with my bike again, just enjoying the
> > scenery and being outside alone with nature.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > best,
> >
> > JimP
> 
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[RBW] Re: Another Rivendell... which one?

2011-02-13 Thread Earl Grey
I'd say, given the area around your farm, get a bike that can take
wider tires than the Homer. Another Sam, at least, or better yet an
Atlantis, Bomba, or Hunqa. Id' say these last 3 are similar enough
that you could go by price and/or paint scheme. The Sam doesn't come
in a 54, just a 52, which may be too small. The others thus may fit
better, too.

Cheers,

Gernot
(Sam Hillborne)

On Feb 13, 10:41 pm, JimP  wrote:
> I have  a Sam Hillborne which I love, I ordered it with a 56 cm frame
> and, as it turns out, I should have ordered the 54. Even so, it rides
> like a dream. I have a farm located about 200 miles from home. It is
> difficult to carry the bike back and forth without taking two cars so,
> ahem... I have an excuse to buy another Rivendell. :^)
> To be honest I really want an A. Homer Hilson but I do realize it is
> very similar (functionally identical) to the Hillborne. That's OK as
> the two bikes will be at different locations but I should at least
> give thought to another type Rivendell, maybe an Atlantis, a Rodeo,
> Ramboulet or... What do you think?
>
> I am 60 yo and have really just gotten into cycling. At home I ride
> around the city just absorbing the beauty of being outdoors in a
> wonderful old city. I take a camera sometimes and like photographing
> some of the beauty (including bike) around me. But, mostly I just
> enjoy the ride. I usually ride for about 40 minutes to an hour and
> head back home. At the Farm I have access to about 3000 acres of
> pastures and hardwood forests with horse trails and, no trails at all.
> I want to explore this area with my bike again, just enjoying the
> scenery and being outside alone with nature.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> best,
>
> JimP

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