Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone running Hetres + 50mm Berthouds on a Saluki or other 650B Riv?

2009-12-18 Thread carnerda...@bellsouth.net
...or other 650B Riv -- no responses from anyone about Hetres and 
fenders on a Sam Hilborne.  Specifically interested in the 52 Sam.


Rick wrote:
 Thanks, I am encouraged.  Worse case scenario, a worthwhile
 experiment, and another summer tire to alternate with the Rumpkins.

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[RBW] Re: Anyone running Hetres + 50mm Berthouds on a Saluki or other 650B Riv?

2009-12-17 Thread Ego Martini
Have the Hetres on my Bleriot - awesome tires, nothing faster for
gravel and ruff roads. I have the V.O. Zepplins with the Dia-compe 750
center pulls ( these brakes work and look great - a great deal for the
price) and I have a V.O. Carrier front rack. It was a little beyond me
to install all this properly myself - got a great bike mechanic to do
the work and he did a great job. Good clearance with a classic
French bike look - I got exactly what I wanted in a bike setup.

On Dec 16, 6:15 pm, J. Burkhalter burk...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hey Rick,

 Sorry, no experience with sidepulls, but I run Hetres on my Bleriot
 with Paul Centerpull brakes.  Gobs of clearance for fenders.  Right
 now I have 26 x 50 SKS fenders (which are wy wider than 50mm, BTW)
 on there.

 -Jay
 Denver, CO

 On Dec 16, 1:31 pm, Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote:



  I've been thinking of this for the Bleriot, can I add a factor to the
  equation?  Anyone w/ 50mm Berthouds or Honjos, Hetres, and sidepulls?
  Gino, your Saluki has/had (very nice looking) Bruce Gordon brakes on
  the flicker page.

  Rick.

  On Dec 16, 1:13 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:

   Well... Hetres just fit on my Protovelo.  Its very tight under 50mm
   Honjos.  I'll post photos tomorrow -

   I have more height than I thought I did - but the Honjos do come down
   to give the tire a hug.  I can see how 50mm Berthounds would work
   better in that regard.  I'd like to keep it to 50mm so I don't have to
   do surgery at the chainstays.  Because there isn't much clearance
   (less than Gino's Saluki, for sure) on the seatstay bridge, I don't
   think big honking fenders would work as well.

   More tomorrow...

   On Dec 15, 2:09 pm, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com wrote:

You guys are lucky the Rivs have such generous clearance. Last weekend  
I had to shelve the Hetres on a 650B conversion ('84 58cm Sequoia) in  
order to add fenders. The VO Zeppelins didn't fit (too wide for the  
fork), but 45mm Honjos + Col de la Vies did. Fortunately it's still  
pretty:http://www.flickr.com/photos/natan/4183280562/

But I do miss those ultra cushy 42s! :)

-nathan

On Dec 15, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't have experience with the Berthouds, but Hetre + Honjo works
 just fine on the Saluki.  I had 45mm Honjos on the Saluki, but
 recently upped them to the 50mm.

 -gino

 On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
 I was reading over on the Rene Herse site that they like the Berthoud
 stainless fenders with Hetres because they open wider than the
 Honjos.

 Anyone have any experience?

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[RBW] Re: Anyone running Hetres + 50mm Berthouds on a Saluki or other 650B Riv?

2009-12-17 Thread Rick
Thanks, I am encouraged.  Worse case scenario, a worthwhile
experiment, and another summer tire to alternate with the Rumpkins.

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[RBW] Re: Anyone running Hetres + 50mm Berthouds on a Saluki or other 650B Riv?

2009-12-16 Thread Rick
I've been thinking of this for the Bleriot, can I add a factor to the
equation?  Anyone w/ 50mm Berthouds or Honjos, Hetres, and sidepulls?
Gino, your Saluki has/had (very nice looking) Bruce Gordon brakes on
the flicker page.

Rick.

On Dec 16, 1:13 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well... Hetres just fit on my Protovelo.  Its very tight under 50mm
 Honjos.  I'll post photos tomorrow -

 I have more height than I thought I did - but the Honjos do come down
 to give the tire a hug.  I can see how 50mm Berthounds would work
 better in that regard.  I'd like to keep it to 50mm so I don't have to
 do surgery at the chainstays.  Because there isn't much clearance
 (less than Gino's Saluki, for sure) on the seatstay bridge, I don't
 think big honking fenders would work as well.

 More tomorrow...

 On Dec 15, 2:09 pm, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com wrote:



  You guys are lucky the Rivs have such generous clearance. Last weekend  
  I had to shelve the Hetres on a 650B conversion ('84 58cm Sequoia) in  
  order to add fenders. The VO Zeppelins didn't fit (too wide for the  
  fork), but 45mm Honjos + Col de la Vies did. Fortunately it's still  
  pretty:http://www.flickr.com/photos/natan/4183280562/

  But I do miss those ultra cushy 42s! :)

  -nathan

  On Dec 15, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote:

   I don't have experience with the Berthouds, but Hetre + Honjo works
   just fine on the Saluki.  I had 45mm Honjos on the Saluki, but
   recently upped them to the 50mm.

   -gino

   On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
   I was reading over on the Rene Herse site that they like the Berthoud
   stainless fenders with Hetres because they open wider than the
   Honjos.

   Anyone have any experience?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone running Hetres + 50mm Berthouds on a Saluki or other 650B Riv?

2009-12-16 Thread Gino Zahnd
My Bleriot has the 45mm Honjos + CDLV tires. Plenty of room with that setup,
but I haven't bothered to try sticking Hetres in there.

Bleriot (old setup, but with fender/tire combo described above):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/502655983/sizes/l/in/set-7215763542699/




On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I've been thinking of this for the Bleriot, can I add a factor to the
 equation?  Anyone w/ 50mm Berthouds or Honjos, Hetres, and sidepulls?
 Gino, your Saluki has/had (very nice looking) Bruce Gordon brakes on
 the flicker page.

 Rick.

 On Dec 16, 1:13 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
  Well... Hetres just fit on my Protovelo.  Its very tight under 50mm
  Honjos.  I'll post photos tomorrow -
 
  I have more height than I thought I did - but the Honjos do come down
  to give the tire a hug.  I can see how 50mm Berthounds would work
  better in that regard.  I'd like to keep it to 50mm so I don't have to
  do surgery at the chainstays.  Because there isn't much clearance
  (less than Gino's Saluki, for sure) on the seatstay bridge, I don't
  think big honking fenders would work as well.
 
  More tomorrow...
 
  On Dec 15, 2:09 pm, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
   You guys are lucky the Rivs have such generous clearance. Last weekend

   I had to shelve the Hetres on a 650B conversion ('84 58cm Sequoia) in
   order to add fenders. The VO Zeppelins didn't fit (too wide for the
   fork), but 45mm Honjos + Col de la Vies did. Fortunately it's still
   pretty:http://www.flickr.com/photos/natan/4183280562/
 
   But I do miss those ultra cushy 42s! :)
 
   -nathan
 
   On Dec 15, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote:
 
I don't have experience with the Berthouds, but Hetre + Honjo works
just fine on the Saluki.  I had 45mm Honjos on the Saluki, but
recently upped them to the 50mm.
 
-gino
 
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com
 wrote:
I was reading over on the Rene Herse site that they like the
 Berthoud
stainless fenders with Hetres because they open wider than the
Honjos.
 
Anyone have any experience?
 
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[RBW] Re: Anyone running Hetres + 50mm Berthouds on a Saluki or other 650B Riv?

2009-12-16 Thread J. Burkhalter
Hey Rick,

Sorry, no experience with sidepulls, but I run Hetres on my Bleriot
with Paul Centerpull brakes.  Gobs of clearance for fenders.  Right
now I have 26 x 50 SKS fenders (which are wy wider than 50mm, BTW)
on there.

-Jay
Denver, CO

On Dec 16, 1:31 pm, Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I've been thinking of this for the Bleriot, can I add a factor to the
 equation?  Anyone w/ 50mm Berthouds or Honjos, Hetres, and sidepulls?
 Gino, your Saluki has/had (very nice looking) Bruce Gordon brakes on
 the flicker page.

 Rick.

 On Dec 16, 1:13 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:

  Well... Hetres just fit on my Protovelo.  Its very tight under 50mm
  Honjos.  I'll post photos tomorrow -

  I have more height than I thought I did - but the Honjos do come down
  to give the tire a hug.  I can see how 50mm Berthounds would work
  better in that regard.  I'd like to keep it to 50mm so I don't have to
  do surgery at the chainstays.  Because there isn't much clearance
  (less than Gino's Saluki, for sure) on the seatstay bridge, I don't
  think big honking fenders would work as well.

  More tomorrow...

  On Dec 15, 2:09 pm, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com wrote:

   You guys are lucky the Rivs have such generous clearance. Last weekend  
   I had to shelve the Hetres on a 650B conversion ('84 58cm Sequoia) in  
   order to add fenders. The VO Zeppelins didn't fit (too wide for the  
   fork), but 45mm Honjos + Col de la Vies did. Fortunately it's still  
   pretty:http://www.flickr.com/photos/natan/4183280562/

   But I do miss those ultra cushy 42s! :)

   -nathan

   On Dec 15, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote:

I don't have experience with the Berthouds, but Hetre + Honjo works
just fine on the Saluki.  I had 45mm Honjos on the Saluki, but
recently upped them to the 50mm.

-gino

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
I was reading over on the Rene Herse site that they like the Berthoud
stainless fenders with Hetres because they open wider than the
Honjos.

Anyone have any experience?

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[RBW] Re: Anyone running Hetres + 50mm Berthouds on a Saluki or other 650B Riv?

2009-12-15 Thread rcnute
I tried with a Bleriot and Saluki (50mm Berthouds).  Front fits fine.
Rear does not (brake bridge won't allow enough clearance).

I second the Zeppelins.

Ryan II

On Dec 15, 11:11 am, rswat...@me.com rswat...@me.com wrote:
 On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Esteban wrote:

  I was reading over on the Rene Herse site that they like the Berthoud
  stainless fenders with Hetres because they open wider than the
  Honjos.

  Anyone have any experience?

 Not on a Rivendell, but:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556...@n06/1908661660/

 Note that there is a 60mm Berthoud as well. And the 58mm Honjos from BQ.

 My first choice for the Hetre is the Velo-Orange Zeppelin 52mm. Nicely  
 made, good looking, cheap enough, and the fit is perfect. I'm told the  
 58mm Honjos are even perfecter, but I'm completely happy with the  
 Zeppelins.

 Cheers,
 Ryan

 PS: Esteban, let me know about that fork.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone running Hetres + 50mm Berthouds on a Saluki or other 650B Riv?

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 11:35 -0800, rcnute wrote:
 I tried with a Bleriot and Saluki (50mm Berthouds).  Front fits fine.
 Rear does not (brake bridge won't allow enough clearance).

Perhaps the size of the frame matters.  On my 60cm Saluki, Hetres fit
fine.  I'm using 57mm Honjos with them.  I had stainless 50mm Berthouds,
but I thought the clearance with those fenders was insufficient -- and
besides, I had another P/R coming, and I wanted to use the Berthouds on
that bike.  I had to modify the Honjos to get them to fit between the
chainstays.  Photos here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/sets/72157617915097787/show/




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[RBW] Re: Anyone running Hetres + 50mm Berthouds on a Saluki or other 650B Riv?

2009-12-15 Thread Esteban
I have 50mm fluted Honjos on the bike now, and the fender line is
perfect with CdlVs:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/4156647923/

The Protovelo is a custom from Mark Nobilette, built to resemble the
geometry of a Saluki, but its different in small ways (lugs) and maybe
larger ways (the seat stay bridge looks rather low to me).

Of course, this bike is a great candidate for the Pari-Moto, which I
have on order.  But wouldn't it be fun to run some fatter Hetres in
there!?

I have them, and Im going to see if they fit - if not they'll go on
another bike.  Maybe I'll have to buy another bike to fit them :)

Here's where they say 50mm Berthouds are preferable on the Herse site:
http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-144/Berthoud-650b-x-50mm/Detail

But, of course, their bikes are built for the Hetre.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On Dec 15, 12:50 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 11:35 -0800, rcnute wrote:
  I tried with a Bleriot and Saluki (50mm Berthouds).  Front fits fine.
  Rear does not (brake bridge won't allow enough clearance).

 Perhaps the size of the frame matters.  On my 60cm Saluki, Hetres fit
 fine.  I'm using 57mm Honjos with them.  I had stainless 50mm Berthouds,
 but I thought the clearance with those fenders was insufficient -- and
 besides, I had another P/R coming, and I wanted to use the Berthouds on
 that bike.  I had to modify the Honjos to get them to fit between the
 chainstays.  Photos 
 here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/sets/72157617915097787/show/

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[RBW] Re: Anyone running Hetres + 50mm Berthouds on a Saluki or other 650B Riv?

2009-12-15 Thread Esteban
Well... Hetres just fit on my Protovelo.  Its very tight under 50mm
Honjos.  I'll post photos tomorrow -

I have more height than I thought I did - but the Honjos do come down
to give the tire a hug.  I can see how 50mm Berthounds would work
better in that regard.  I'd like to keep it to 50mm so I don't have to
do surgery at the chainstays.  Because there isn't much clearance
(less than Gino's Saluki, for sure) on the seatstay bridge, I don't
think big honking fenders would work as well.

More tomorrow...

On Dec 15, 2:09 pm, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com wrote:
 You guys are lucky the Rivs have such generous clearance. Last weekend  
 I had to shelve the Hetres on a 650B conversion ('84 58cm Sequoia) in  
 order to add fenders. The VO Zeppelins didn't fit (too wide for the  
 fork), but 45mm Honjos + Col de la Vies did. Fortunately it's still  
 pretty:http://www.flickr.com/photos/natan/4183280562/

 But I do miss those ultra cushy 42s! :)

 -nathan

 On Dec 15, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote:



  I don't have experience with the Berthouds, but Hetre + Honjo works
  just fine on the Saluki.  I had 45mm Honjos on the Saluki, but
  recently upped them to the 50mm.

  -gino

  On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
  I was reading over on the Rene Herse site that they like the Berthoud
  stainless fenders with Hetres because they open wider than the
  Honjos.

  Anyone have any experience?

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