[RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[Jason Fuller]

Good idea on the Rhyno Lite / XL - I ran one of each on my trials bike back 
in the 90's and on a MTB or two as well! 

A friend also mentioned the Velo Orange rims, which I had forgotten about - 
27mm outside / 22mm inside width is a nice middle ground too, plus they 
come in polished for a decent price! 

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[RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[Garth]

For the 26" rim size Sun also makes the Rhyno Lite XL which is about 2mm 
wider than the Rhyno Lite, and it's available in anodized colors of white, 
blue, yellow, black and red. A good place to find these kind of rims and 
other cool stuff is from BMX websites, where they aren't swept up in 
upgrade-itis. 


On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 8:06:59 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote:
>
> Gus/Susie pre-orderers: what rims are you planning to use? Are Velocity 
> Atlases stout enough for the intended use of this bike?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[Mark Roland]

Though they do make it in 26" as well, maybe just a typo. I will probably 
use these for my next 26" wheel build, great value rims.

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 2:54:33 PM UTC-4, Mike Williams wrote:
>
> Hey Jason,  another rim to consider,  that falls in between the Atlas 
> (19.8) and Cliffhanger(25) internal widths is Sun Ryno Lyte 700c.   I 
> believe the internal width is 22mm(27 outside).  And they can usually be 
> found for a pair for under which a single Velocity rim would cost.   
>  They’re not MUSA though.They get fairly good reviews.   I’ve seen the 
> weight listed at 590 grams for 700c as well as 670 grams for 700c so I’m 
> not too sure on the confirmed weight.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 4, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Jason Fuller > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> This has me seriously debating whether to go with Atlas or Cliffhangers on 
> my Clem wheelset; I might end up running Rat Trap Passes on it and maybe 
> the extra width will prevent the swirm that some have reported.  Or maybe 
> the Atlas is wide enough to address that.  I'll probably run Gravel King 
> SK's (2.1") but good to have the option. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[Mark Roland]

Except if he is looking at RTPs he has a 45cm Clem with 26" wheels. The 
swirm is more a factor of the RTPs being a bit sensitive in terms of 
pressure range, not so much rim width. I've run them on narrow Mavic racing 
rims with no issues.

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 2:54:33 PM UTC-4, Mike Williams wrote:
>
> Hey Jason,  another rim to consider,  that falls in between the Atlas 
> (19.8) and Cliffhanger(25) internal widths is Sun Ryno Lyte 700c.   I 
> believe the internal width is 22mm(27 outside).  And they can usually be 
> found for a pair for under which a single Velocity rim would cost.   
>  They’re not MUSA though.They get fairly good reviews.   I’ve seen the 
> weight listed at 590 grams for 700c as well as 670 grams for 700c so I’m 
> not too sure on the confirmed weight.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 4, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Jason Fuller > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> This has me seriously debating whether to go with Atlas or Cliffhangers on 
> my Clem wheelset; I might end up running Rat Trap Passes on it and maybe 
> the extra width will prevent the swirm that some have reported.  Or maybe 
> the Atlas is wide enough to address that.  I'll probably run Gravel King 
> SK's (2.1") but good to have the option. 
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[RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[Nick Payne]

On Tuesday, 5 May 2020 11:47:42 UTC+10, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> My German-speaking friend turned me on to the Todestrieb rims - he was 
> amused no end by the name.
>

Yeah, "death wish" is a strange name for a rim. There's a women's clothing 
boutique near where we live called "Tod", which I think is supposed to be 
an acronym for "things of desire", but every time I see it, I think "death".

Nick

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[RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[Philip Williamson]

Thanks for the info on the Todestrieb rims. That’s what I was going to build 
with for my Fitz, but then I bought a White/SON set with Dyads on the list 
here. If I do get Todestriebs, I’ll use your 597 ERD measurement.

My German-speaking friend turned me on to the Todestrieb rims - he was amused 
no end by the name.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[Mike Williams]

Hey Jason,  another rim to consider,  that falls in between the Atlas (19.8) 
and Cliffhanger(25) internal widths is Sun Ryno Lyte 700c.   I believe the 
internal width is 22mm(27 outside).  And they can usually be found for a pair 
for under which a single Velocity rim would cost.They’re not MUSA though.   
 They get fairly good reviews.   I’ve seen the weight listed at 590 grams for 
700c as well as 670 grams for 700c so I’m not too sure on the confirmed weight.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 4, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
> 
> 
> This has me seriously debating whether to go with Atlas or Cliffhangers on my 
> Clem wheelset; I might end up running Rat Trap Passes on it and maybe the 
> extra width will prevent the swirm that some have reported.  Or maybe the 
> Atlas is wide enough to address that.  I'll probably run Gravel King SK's 
> (2.1") but good to have the option. 
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[RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[Jason Fuller]

This has me seriously debating whether to go with Atlas or Cliffhangers on 
my Clem wheelset; I might end up running Rat Trap Passes on it and maybe 
the extra width will prevent the swirm that some have reported.  Or maybe 
the Atlas is wide enough to address that.  I'll probably run Gravel King 
SK's (2.1") but good to have the option. 

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[RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[Nick Payne]

I've been pretty impressed with the H Plus Son Todestreib rims (25mm 
internal width, 32mm external width) that I just used in a wheel build 
intended for use on an Appaloosa frame. The wheels were very easy to true 
both radially and laterally, and the spoke holes are offset about 3mm from 
the centreline, such that the spokes from the left flange go to the right 
side of the rim and vice versa, which gives a better bracing angle for the 
spokes on both sides of the wheel.

Not sure about the price in the US, but the local distributors here in Oz 
presently have them discounted for $A80 (~$US50): 
https://hplusson.com.au/products/todestrieb-rims.

Nick

p.s. H Plus Son claims an ERD of 592mm for the 700c Todestreib rim (without 
specifying where that ERD is taken to), but my measurements before building 
showed an ERD of 597mm to bring the end of the spokes to the bottom of the 
slot in a 12mm nipple, and after building the wheels, that 597 measurement 
proved to be absolutely correct. I've found the same discrepancies in the 
past with Velocity rims, so the problem isn't unique to H Plus Son. I 
always measure hubs and rims myself to calculate spoke lengths, rather than 
relying on published figures.

On Sunday, 3 May 2020 10:06:59 UTC+10, John G. wrote:
>
> Gus/Susie pre-orderers: what rims are you planning to use? Are Velocity 
> Atlases stout enough for the intended use of this bike?

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[RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey Garth, mounting Maxis 2.8" and Schwalbe 2.8" has gone just fine -- only 
the new normal have to work the wheel well just right to get them in due to 
snugger tolerances from tubeless rim/tires. Yes, I'm running tubes.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 2:27:03 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>
> I  had hoped the Riv rim once mentioned for the Hillybikes would be 
> available *before/with* the frames arrival. Otherwise I'll do either a 
> Cliffhanger or the DM24, since I do use tubes. I'm not sure what tire I'll 
> get first, but it will be at least a 2.25-2.4, it depends on the tire 
> really. I didn't order a Susie so much for the extra width tires, but for 
> the quite tall head tube and it was a bright shiny Orange, like a fresh 
> glass of liquid Sunshine poured and cured on the frame. Plus, I like the 
> swoopy top tube appearance.  
>
> I'm sure if you asked Velocity about the Atlas on a bike that rides a 
> 2.25-2.8" tire they'd recommend the Cliffhanger instead. 
>
> For Deacon Patrick, do you have any issues mounting and dismounting your 
> tires(any tire you've tired) with tubes on the Cliffhangers ?
>
>
>
> On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 8:06:59 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote:
>>
>> Gus/Susie pre-orderers: what rims are you planning to use? Are Velocity 
>> Atlases stout enough for the intended use of this bike?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[Garth]

I  had hoped the Riv rim once mentioned for the Hillybikes would be 
available *before/with* the frames arrival. Otherwise I'll do either a 
Cliffhanger or the DM24, since I do use tubes. I'm not sure what tire I'll 
get first, but it will be at least a 2.25-2.4, it depends on the tire 
really. I didn't order a Susie so much for the extra width tires, but for 
the quite tall head tube and it was a bright shiny Orange, like a fresh 
glass of liquid Sunshine poured and cured on the frame. Plus, I like the 
swoopy top tube appearance.  

I'm sure if you asked Velocity about the Atlas on a bike that rides a 
2.25-2.8" tire they'd recommend the Cliffhanger instead. 

For Deacon Patrick, do you have any issues mounting and dismounting your 
tires(any tire you've tired) with tubes on the Cliffhangers ?



On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 8:06:59 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote:
>
> Gus/Susie pre-orderers: what rims are you planning to use? Are Velocity 
> Atlases stout enough for the intended use of this bike?

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[RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[Ash]

+1 for Cliffhangers.   I'm going with those for the Susie I'm waiting on.

I have had both Atlas and Cliffhangers on my previous Rivs.  Atlas is super 
solid as well. I had 2.0" tires on them.  Never had any problem even with 
some loaded rides.  If I already had a pair of Atlas I'd use them.  Since 
I'm ordering a new set, I'm going with Cliffhangers.. because why not!  The 
weight difference is hardly noticeable.  Cliffhangers work great for 
tubeless too. 


On Saturday, 2 May 2020 17:39:39 UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I'd recommend Cliffhangers for the extra width, but yes, absolutely, Atlas 
> are stout enough. 2.8" is a lot of tire. I'm not sure I'd want to go 
> narrower than the Cliffhangers, but they may well ride just fine. I know 
> the modern stated limits can be pushed without compromizing safety (Jan at 
> Rene Herse wrote about this somewhat recently), but I'm not sure what the 
> real limits are. I feel solid and confident on my Cliffhangers with 
> Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.8" on 27.5 wheels.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 6:06:59 PM UTC-6, John G. wrote:
>>
>> Gus/Susie pre-orderers: what rims are you planning to use? Are Velocity 
>> Atlases stout enough for the intended use of this bike?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'd recommend Cliffhangers for the extra width, but yes, absolutely, Atlas 
are stout enough. 2.8" is a lot of tire. I'm not sure I'd want to go 
narrower than the Cliffhangers, but they may well ride just fine. I know 
the modern stated limits can be pushed without compromizing safety (Jan at 
Rene Herse wrote about this somewhat recently), but I'm not sure what the 
real limits are. I feel solid and confident on my Cliffhangers with 
Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.8" on 27.5 wheels.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 6:06:59 PM UTC-6, John G. wrote:
>
> Gus/Susie pre-orderers: what rims are you planning to use? Are Velocity 
> Atlases stout enough for the intended use of this bike?

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