[RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
I just put a large Acorn Rando bag and VO Decaleur on my 61cm Hilsen. I put the second strut on the Mark's rack and so, far it seems to be working fine. I noticed that it can rattle a bit and that has me wondering if I have don e the install correctly? Thoughts? On Monday, September 29, 2014 11:36:45 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: Tim, check my Acorn leather washers here - this doesn't come loose even after 1000 miles. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aP2050007.jpg The leather compresses into the threads and reinforces the lock washer http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aP2050003.jpg I did lose an M-5 and lock washer on my first ride. Never again. Easy fix On Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:20:42 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote: Thanks everyone! I'm thinking that the large Berthoud with the H-121 decaleur is going to be the way I go. It sounds like, based on your responses, it's a pretty safe bet that it will work. I guess I caaould always swap out for the H-91. There's only one question left: I've been told the Berthoud decaleurs (as opposed to the Grand Bois) tend to come loose. Is this your experience? It's cooling off here in the Northeast so it's time to start carrying extra duds here soon so I should pull the trigger here pretty quick. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
I even slide a pair of o-rings over my slick valve stems to save them from shock and even act a bit as dust covers http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/07b78979-3a71-4c72-b2c3-4eb4e87f8201.jpg On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:28:07 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: Brian, I think most decaleur designs, with steel rods sliding through steel tubes, have a tendency to rattle with road shock and vibration. You may try sliding o-rings up the rods to dampen the contact point at the top end of the tubes (like when you put your finger on a ringing bell). If you look at my Bertaud decaleur photo, you can make out a green o-ring I place on the rod between the clevis tubes. I like using o-rings, grommets, leather washers, vinyl tape to dampen out noisy spots. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aP2050003.jpg On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:58:23 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote: I just put a large Acorn Rando bag and VO Decaleur on my 61cm Hilsen. I put the second strut on the Mark's rack and so, far it seems to be working fine. I noticed that it can rattle a bit and that has me wondering if I have don e the install correctly? Thoughts? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
Brian, I think most decaleur designs, with steel rods sliding through steel tubes, have a tendency to rattle with road shock and vibration. You may try sliding o-rings up the rods to dampen the contact point at the top end of the tubes (like when you put your finger on a ringing bell). If you look at my Bertaud decaleur photo, you can make out a green o-ring I place on the rod between the clevis tubes. I like using o-rings, grommets, leather washers, vinyl tape to dampen out noisy spots. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aP2050003.jpg On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:58:23 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote: I just put a large Acorn Rando bag and VO Decaleur on my 61cm Hilsen. I put the second strut on the Mark's rack and so, far it seems to be working fine. I noticed that it can rattle a bit and that has me wondering if I have don e the install correctly? Thoughts? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
what kind of rim is that, Ron? On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: I even slide a pair of o-rings over my slick valve stems to save them from shock and even act a bit as dust covers http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/07b78979-3a71-4c72-b2c3-4eb4e87f8201.jpg On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:28:07 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: Brian, I think most decaleur designs, with steel rods sliding through steel tubes, have a tendency to rattle with road shock and vibration. You may try sliding o-rings up the rods to dampen the contact point at the top end of the tubes (like when you put your finger on a ringing bell). If you look at my Bertaud decaleur photo, you can make out a green o-ring I place on the rod between the clevis tubes. I like using o-rings, grommets, leather washers, vinyl tape to dampen out noisy spots. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aP2050003.jpg On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:58:23 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote: I just put a large Acorn Rando bag and VO Decaleur on my 61cm Hilsen. I put the second strut on the Mark's rack and so, far it seems to be working fine. I noticed that it can rattle a bit and that has me wondering if I have don e the install correctly? Thoughts? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
Synergy - the asymmetric rim on a Phil 126mm freewheel hub works great for me - lets me fit in a 7-speed freewheel and still have a nice spread on the spokes. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:05:27 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote: what kind of rim is that, Ron? On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I even slide a pair of o-rings over my slick valve stems to save them from shock and even act a bit as dust covers http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/07b78979-3a71-4c72-b2c3-4eb4e87f8201.jpg On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:28:07 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: Brian, I think most decaleur designs, with steel rods sliding through steel tubes, have a tendency to rattle with road shock and vibration. You may try sliding o-rings up the rods to dampen the contact point at the top end of the tubes (like when you put your finger on a ringing bell). If you look at my Bertaud decaleur photo, you can make out a green o-ring I place on the rod between the clevis tubes. I like using o-rings, grommets, leather washers, vinyl tape to dampen out noisy spots. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aP2050003.jpg On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:58:23 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote: I just put a large Acorn Rando bag and VO Decaleur on my 61cm Hilsen. I put the second strut on the Mark's rack and so, far it seems to be working fine. I noticed that it can rattle a bit and that has me wondering if I have don e the install correctly? Thoughts? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
I also use the off-center Synergy rear wheel. On a 130 mm Phil FW hub, it results in only 1 mm of dish. I didn't even need a dish gauge when I built it. On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: Synergy - the asymmetric rim on a Phil 126mm freewheel hub works great for me - lets me fit in a 7-speed freewheel and still have a nice spread on the spokes. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:05:27 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote: what kind of rim is that, Ron? Where do you get all the O-rings from, Ron? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
Dunno about the green ones, but I get my black (and sometimes red) O-rings at the local hardware... On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:11:56 PM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote: I also use the off-center Synergy rear wheel. On a 130 mm Phil FW hub, it results in only 1 mm of dish. I didn't even need a dish gauge when I built it. On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Synergy - the asymmetric rim on a Phil 126mm freewheel hub works great for me - lets me fit in a 7-speed freewheel and still have a nice spread on the spokes. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:05:27 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote: what kind of rim is that, Ron? Where do you get all the O-rings from, Ron? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
McMaster Carr - I have a couple of orders/year from them - I have a hobby business repairing antique fly reels. I always try to think about throwing in small tools and sundries with my order. I use the weathering o-rings for a few applications on bike and kayak rigging. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 1:11:56 PM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote: I also use the off-center Synergy rear wheel. On a 130 mm Phil FW hub, it results in only 1 mm of dish. I didn't even need a dish gauge when I built it. On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Synergy - the asymmetric rim on a Phil 126mm freewheel hub works great for me - lets me fit in a 7-speed freewheel and still have a nice spread on the spokes. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:05:27 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote: what kind of rim is that, Ron? Where do you get all the O-rings from, Ron? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
Tim, check my Acorn leather washers here - this doesn't come loose even after 1000 miles. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aP2050007.jpg The leather compresses into the threads and reinforces the lock washer http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aP2050003.jpg I did lose an M-5 and lock washer on my first ride. Never again. Easy fix On Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:20:42 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote: Thanks everyone! I'm thinking that the large Berthoud with the H-121 decaleur is going to be the way I go. It sounds like, based on your responses, it's a pretty safe bet that it will work. I guess I caaould always swap out for the H-91. There's only one question left: I've been told the Berthoud decaleurs (as opposed to the Grand Bois) tend to come loose. Is this your experience? It's cooling off here in the Northeast so it's time to start carrying extra duds here soon so I should pull the trigger here pretty quick. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
I did some hand-in-air measurements and got a perfect fit on my Bertoud decaleur with Nitto M18 and Acorn tall rando. I measured the height of the bag from the rack, held that spot in space, then the distance to the stem was the size Bertoud decaleur I bought from Compass. Came out Perfect. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aP5280019.jpg On Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:33:22 AM UTC-5, Mike Schiller wrote: I wish... I emailed Mike K a few times about this. He can't get the solid center sections right now for the quill stem. And his distributor won't break up a set it gets from Berthoud. nice try. but no dice. On Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:05:40 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: there is some mixing and matching from boulder. boulder sells the quill stem center pieces separately. so you can buy the decaleur you need based only on expension. if that happens to be a faceplate type model, no problem. just buy an extra center piece for a quill stem. It costs more than one complete decaleur, but a lot less than two. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
Other than bringing the map case closer to my eyes I'm not sure how much benefit there is in having a bag that comes all the way up to the stem. I have the small Acorn rondo bag and it holds everything I need at hand, and I can fill it with as much weight as a road bike really wants right there. I suspect a bigger bag,which would fit my 62 63 cm frames would just encourage me to over pack and over weight.. Michael On Sunday, September 28, 2014 8:25:40 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: I did some hand-in-air measurements and got a perfect fit on my Bertoud decaleur with Nitto M18 and Acorn tall rando. I measured the height of the bag from the rack, held that spot in space, then the distance to the stem was the size Bertoud decaleur I bought from Compass. Came out Perfect. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aP5280019.jpg On Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:33:22 AM UTC-5, Mike Schiller wrote: I wish... I emailed Mike K a few times about this. He can't get the solid center sections right now for the quill stem. And his distributor won't break up a set it gets from Berthoud. nice try. but no dice. On Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:05:40 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: there is some mixing and matching from boulder. boulder sells the quill stem center pieces separately. so you can buy the decaleur you need based only on expension. if that happens to be a faceplate type model, no problem. just buy an extra center piece for a quill stem. It costs more than one complete decaleur, but a lot less than two. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
Yes, I overlooked the out of stock notice on my phone yesterday. They used to break up the sets and mix them up themselves, but I think no matter how they priced them they still ended up with extras of the aheadset style center pieces. I bought at least one of those mixed combos from them in the past. At any right, the OP is going to be well served with an H91 or an H121 anyway, which requires no mixing. On Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:33:22 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote: I wish... I emailed Mike K a few times about this. He can't get the solid center sections right now for the quill stem. And his distributor won't break up a set it gets from Berthoud. nice try. but no dice. On Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:05:40 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: there is some mixing and matching from boulder. boulder sells the quill stem center pieces separately. so you can buy the decaleur you need based only on expension. if that happens to be a faceplate type model, no problem. just buy an extra center piece for a quill stem. It costs more than one complete decaleur, but a lot less than two. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
Thanks everyone! I'm thinking that the large Berthoud with the H-121 decaleur is going to be the way I go. It sounds like, based on your responses, it's a pretty safe bet that it will work. I guess I caaould always swap out for the H-91. There's only one question left: I've been told the Berthoud decaleurs (as opposed to the Grand Bois) tend to come loose. Is this your experience? It's cooling off here in the Northeast so it's time to start carrying extra duds here soon so I should pull the trigger here pretty quick. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
I know you said no Jerry-rigging, but I came up with a super easy solution for this that I think is better than a decaleur. I may have stolen the idea from a Weigle photo but I can't remember for sure. Anyway, I bought some 3/4 aluminum bar stock and made a bridge across the rack. Pictur a straight bar with two little feet that are bolted to the eyelets on the rack sides. Then I fashioned a strut that goes inside the Berthoud bag. Picture a flat bottomed U that goes up the sides and tucks under the Velcro flaps that hold the card board stiffener in place. Then I drilled through the strut, the bag bottom, and the bridge, added two bolts with brass knurled nuts and presto! Rock solid rando bag, no handlebar real estate consumed or finicky decaleur to mess with. It's worked great for a few years , including on some very long, very bumpy rides. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
Jan claims the Berthoud auto loosens. I've never had a problem with my Berthoud Decaleurs loosening on the road (or off) On Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:20:42 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote: Thanks everyone! I'm thinking that the large Berthoud with the H-121 decaleur is going to be the way I go. It sounds like, based on your responses, it's a pretty safe bet that it will work. I guess I caaould always swap out for the H-91. There's only one question left: I've been told the Berthoud decaleurs (as opposed to the Grand Bois) tend to come loose. Is this your experience? It's cooling off here in the Northeast so it's time to start carrying extra duds here soon so I should pull the trigger here pretty quick. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
On 09/28/2014 08:06 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: Jan claims the Berthoud auto loosens. I've never had a problem with my Berthoud Decaleurs loosening on the road (or off) I was at Bike Virginia shortly after buying the Berthoud decaleur that's now on my MAP. Then it was on my Saluki. Four days into the event, both screws holding the middle portion loosened, and I lost one of them. Cycled Ed replaced one of the allen bolts with a Phillips screw. That was in 2005 or 2006. Everything was fine until yesterday. 20 miles of washboard gravel and I thought it a good idea to check the screws, and lo and behold, the Phillips screw had backed out half way. It would have fallen out for sure by the end of the ride had I not tightened it. I'm going to refasten both screws with Locktite tomorrow. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
I've taken mine on some really technical rocky trails and never had the socket head screws come loose. Mine came with star lock washers and I crank them down tight. There is a possibility that neither the 91 or 121 will fit perfect, The best plan is to get the bag and sit it on the rack and measure the distance from behind the stem clamp bolt to the bag rear face. Subtract 5 mm for the part that bolts to the bag and you have the size. Pick the one that fits this distance best. Since it rotates on an arc you can move it a bit to get the right fit. ~mike Carlsbad Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
The Berthoud quill decaleurs only come in two lengths 91 and 121 mm which, even with the hinging capability do not fit on all bikes. Berthoud makes some shorter extensions but those come with the solid clamp for two-bolt threadless stems. All the US distributers only sell the 4 different models, no mixing and matching unless you buy one of each if you want to fine tune the length.I had a frame/rack builder make a custom extension to fit my bike, using the rest of the Berthoud parts. It was much cheaper than buying two full decaleurs see this https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/14890705388/ The other custom bag maker to contact is Ely at Ruthworks, also a NorCal based person. Both do beautiful work. If you like the Berthoud bags, get the larger one and a Berthoud decaleur, I think it will fit given your bike dimensions, if not, having a custom extension is fairly inexpensive to have made. ~mike Carlsbad ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
there is some mixing and matching from boulder. boulder sells the quill stem center pieces separately. so you can buy the decaleur you need based only on expension. if that happens to be a faceplate type model, no problem. just buy an extra center piece for a quill stem. it costs more than one complete decaleur, but a lot less than two. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
I wish... I emailed Mike K a few times about this. He can't get the solid center sections right now for the quill stem. And his distributor won't break up a set it gets from Berthoud. nice try. but no dice. On Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:05:40 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: there is some mixing and matching from boulder. boulder sells the quill stem center pieces separately. so you can buy the decaleur you need based only on expension. if that happens to be a faceplate type model, no problem. just buy an extra center piece for a quill stem. It costs more than one complete decaleur, but a lot less than two. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
It is kind of tricky setting up a decaleur because of all the weird measurements you need to take. Comparison bike: My Hillborne (56cm). It measures 310mm from the center of the brake bolt on the fork crown to the center of my Noodle bars. My front rack is a custom, but one that is similar in shape to a Mark's Rack, so I'll call that a wash. I'm using a H121 to reach all the way down to a decent spot on a medium sized handlebar bag, a 220mm tall Loyal. So, since your bike is ~30mm bigger, if you got a Large Berthoud bag that is ~50mm taller than mine, you should be able to use the H121 like me, and you would have the top of your bag ~20mm higher than mine is relative to the handlebars. Mine is WAY below the handlebars on this bike, like 60mm from the center, and maybe more like 80mm below the tops. I kind of like it being below, because I can run a handlebar mounted light, and sometimes at night I run a tiny KNOG light on the bars as a reading light for my map case. I do kind of have to peek over the bars to see the map case clearly. So I think you'd be golden. You might even be able to get away with a H91. Jan said custom because I think the traditional way is to have the top of your bag at or even a little above the bars. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Thursday, September 25, 2014 3:29:39 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote: I currently have a Sackville Bar Sack on my AHH but want something bigger so I'm looking to go large Berthoud. That means I need a rack and I like the Mark's. So I gave Jan at Compass my dimensions (340mm from the brake mount on the fork crown to the center of my Noodle bars) and he said the bag was too small to fill the space and I need a custom made bag. I'm looking at other options so that I could make the Berthoud work (without Jerry-rigging.) that leads me to using either the Berthoud H-91 or H-121 decaleur or the VO fork mounted decaleur. The Berthouds hinge so there is some adjustment. I've never used a decaleur and I thought there was pretty much a one-size-fits-all, use whatever you like kind of thing but I guess not. Any thoughts? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
On 09/25/2014 06:51 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: So I think you'd be golden. You might even be able to get away with a H91. Jan said custom because I think the traditional way is to have the top of your bag at or even a little above the bars. Easier to do when your bars are significantly below saddle height, unlike the New Normal on this list... ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
That's good info, Bill, thanks. Jan suggested Loyal but I'm having trouble getting in touch with him by phone or email. I kind of think I wouldn't mind the bag a little below the bars. The Sackville is level or even a little above and I think I'd like it lower. Mostly, though, I think I'd just like a larger bag, especially for cooler weather. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question
Contact me off list and I can get you directly in touch with Phil at Loyal, if that's what you want to pursue. On Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:18:09 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote: That's good info, Bill, thanks. Jan suggested Loyal but I'm having trouble getting in touch with him by phone or email. I kind of think I wouldn't mind the bag a little below the bars. The Sackville is level or even a little above and I think I'd like it lower. Mostly, though, I think I'd just like a larger bag, especially for cooler weather. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
