Re: [RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Kim Hetzel]

Thank-you, J.R. for sharing. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 7:02:16 PM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Kim, I tried the Selle and within a few rides the saddle was loosing all 
> shape and I would have needed to tighten it.  I thought that was a bit too 
> quick so it went back.  It was not the H but the model just before it in 
> their lineup,  but I am only about 145 pounds. 
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 9:36 PM Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
>> I have a Brooks B67S saddle that I have had for sometime between two 
>> other bikes. It is fairly broken in.  I like the short nose on it. 
>> I own a 2021 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L".   It has become futile finding a 
>> seat post with sufficient setback, that measures 29.8mm.  I have been 
>> riding on rivets. 
>> I have moved forward recently in getting the right shim to accept a 
>> 27.2mm seat post. Good news is the used PAUL Tall and Handsome post is 
>> coming in the mail tomorrow. With great hope, my problems will be solved 
>> with sufficient setback. 
>> I am considering on the back burner as future purchase of a Selle 
>> Anatomica H-1 saddle for more of a comfortable ride. 
>>
>> Has anyone used one of the Selle Anatomica saddles for upright riding ?  
>> If so, what is your experience ?
>>
>> Kim (boney butt) Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:47:35 AM UTC-8 schralp wrote:
>>
>>> I just went through all of the Brooks iterations over the last 3 months 
>>> for my Platypus. I found B67 was the right seat for my posture and rear. 
>>> Flyer not flat enough, flyer carved pinches areas that shouldn't be 
>>> pinched, B17 also not flat enough and my old Professional definitely not 
>>> comfortable for upright riding. YMMV but I find the flat rear section 
>>> perfect for upright riding and get no impingement on the hamstrings on the 
>>> downstroke. The springs provide just enough give rocking back and forth at 
>>> my weight (175#) but do not dampen much vibration. Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 5:06:28 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Sort of like the Sheldon Brown technique for breaking in a B 17 years 
 ago by soaking it in oil. I only did that once...

 On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 11:26:43 AM UTC-4 pa...@superplastic.co 
 wrote:

> After a lot of testing I've come around to loving my Berthold Mente!! 
> I have two.
>
> I dunked it in water and covered it with saddle grease to break it in 
> fast, however.
>
> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 8:44:41 PM UTC-4 velomann wrote:
>
>> I personally find springs superfluous, maybe because I'm light and 
>> they don't seem to do much except add weight and squeak.  For the BEST 
>> upright saddle I'm always on the lookout for increasingly rare B-68s. 
>> The 
>> Holy Grail of upright saddles (to me) would be finding a B-68 Imperial.
>>
>> Michael M
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:42:42 AM UTC-7 Jesse Stoddard wrote:
>>
>>> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to 
>>> actuate the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>>>
>>> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've 
>>> heard is excellent quality.
>>>
>>> Anything else to consider?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 Kim,
I listed here for sale a black Selle Anatomica H-2 in mint condition.
I'm in no hurry to sell it. If you want to PM me, I'd be happy to send it to 
you as a loaner to try as a baseline. Maybe trying it for a spell would help 
you refine your saddle search.

Scott



On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 08:09:30 PM MST, J S  
wrote:  
 
 Kim, I tried the Selle and within a few rides the saddle was loosing all shape 
and I would have needed to tighten it.  I thought that was a bit too quick so 
it went back.  It was not the H but the model just before it in their lineup,  
but I am only about 145 pounds.     
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 9:36 PM Kim Hetzel  wrote:

I have a Brooks B67S saddle that I have had for sometime between two other 
bikes. It is fairly broken in.  I like the short nose on it. 
I own a 2021 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L".   It has become futile finding a seat 
post with sufficient setback, that measures 29.8mm.  I have been riding on 
rivets. 
I have moved forward recently in getting the right shim to accept a 27.2mm seat 
post. Good news is the used PAUL Tall and Handsome post is coming in the mail 
tomorrow. With great hope, my problems will be solved with sufficient setback. 
I am considering on the back burner as future purchase of a Selle Anatomica H-1 
saddle for more of a comfortable ride. 

Has anyone used one of the Selle Anatomica saddles for upright riding ?  If so, 
what is your experience ?

Kim (boney butt) HetzelYelm, WA.


On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:47:35 AM UTC-8 schralp wrote:

I just went through all of the Brooks iterations over the last 3 months for my 
Platypus. I found B67 was the right seat for my posture and rear. Flyer not 
flat enough, flyer carved pinches areas that shouldn't be pinched, B17 also not 
flat enough and my old Professional definitely not comfortable for upright 
riding. YMMV but I find the flat rear section perfect for upright riding and 
get no impingement on the hamstrings on the downstroke. The springs provide 
just enough give rocking back and forth at my weight (175#) but do not dampen 
much vibration. Hope that helps.

On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 5:06:28 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

Sort of like the Sheldon Brown technique for breaking in a B 17 years ago by 
soaking it in oil. I only did that once...

On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 11:26:43 AM UTC-4 pa...@superplastic.co wrote:

After a lot of testing I've come around to loving my Berthold Mente!! I have 
two.
I dunked it in water and covered it with saddle grease to break it in fast, 
however.

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 8:44:41 PM UTC-4 velomann wrote:

I personally find springs superfluous, maybe because I'm light and they don't 
seem to do much except add weight and squeak.  For the BEST upright saddle I'm 
always on the lookout for increasingly rare B-68s. The Holy Grail of upright 
saddles (to me) would be finding a B-68 Imperial.
Michael M

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:42:42 AM UTC-7 Jesse Stoddard wrote:

What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to actuate the 
springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard is 
excellent quality.
Anything else to consider?






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Re: [RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[J S]

Kim, I tried the Selle and within a few rides the saddle was loosing all
shape and I would have needed to tighten it.  I thought that was a bit too
quick so it went back.  It was not the H but the model just before it in
their lineup,  but I am only about 145 pounds.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 9:36 PM Kim Hetzel  wrote:

> I have a Brooks B67S saddle that I have had for sometime between two other
> bikes. It is fairly broken in.  I like the short nose on it.
> I own a 2021 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L".   It has become futile finding a
> seat post with sufficient setback, that measures 29.8mm.  I have been
> riding on rivets.
> I have moved forward recently in getting the right shim to accept a 27.2mm
> seat post. Good news is the used PAUL Tall and Handsome post is coming in
> the mail tomorrow. With great hope, my problems will be solved with
> sufficient setback.
> I am considering on the back burner as future purchase of a Selle
> Anatomica H-1 saddle for more of a comfortable ride.
>
> Has anyone used one of the Selle Anatomica saddles for upright riding ?
> If so, what is your experience ?
>
> Kim (boney butt) Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:47:35 AM UTC-8 schralp wrote:
>
>> I just went through all of the Brooks iterations over the last 3 months
>> for my Platypus. I found B67 was the right seat for my posture and rear.
>> Flyer not flat enough, flyer carved pinches areas that shouldn't be
>> pinched, B17 also not flat enough and my old Professional definitely not
>> comfortable for upright riding. YMMV but I find the flat rear section
>> perfect for upright riding and get no impingement on the hamstrings on the
>> downstroke. The springs provide just enough give rocking back and forth at
>> my weight (175#) but do not dampen much vibration. Hope that helps.
>>
>> On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 5:06:28 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Sort of like the Sheldon Brown technique for breaking in a B 17 years
>>> ago by soaking it in oil. I only did that once...
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 11:26:43 AM UTC-4 pa...@superplastic.co
>>> wrote:
>>>
 After a lot of testing I've come around to loving my Berthold Mente!! I
 have two.

 I dunked it in water and covered it with saddle grease to break it in
 fast, however.

 On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 8:44:41 PM UTC-4 velomann wrote:

> I personally find springs superfluous, maybe because I'm light and
> they don't seem to do much except add weight and squeak.  For the BEST
> upright saddle I'm always on the lookout for increasingly rare B-68s. The
> Holy Grail of upright saddles (to me) would be finding a B-68 Imperial.
>
> Michael M
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:42:42 AM UTC-7 Jesse Stoddard wrote:
>
>> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to
>> actuate the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>>
>> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've
>> heard is excellent quality.
>>
>> Anything else to consider?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Kim Hetzel]

I have a Brooks B67S saddle that I have had for sometime between two other 
bikes. It is fairly broken in.  I like the short nose on it. 
I own a 2021 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L".   It has become futile finding a seat 
post with sufficient setback, that measures 29.8mm.  I have been riding on 
rivets. 
I have moved forward recently in getting the right shim to accept a 27.2mm 
seat post. Good news is the used PAUL Tall and Handsome post is coming in 
the mail tomorrow. With great hope, my problems will be solved with 
sufficient setback. 
I am considering on the back burner as future purchase of a Selle Anatomica 
H-1 saddle for more of a comfortable ride. 

Has anyone used one of the Selle Anatomica saddles for upright riding ?  If 
so, what is your experience ?

Kim (boney butt) Hetzel
Yelm, WA.


On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:47:35 AM UTC-8 schralp wrote:

> I just went through all of the Brooks iterations over the last 3 months 
> for my Platypus. I found B67 was the right seat for my posture and rear. 
> Flyer not flat enough, flyer carved pinches areas that shouldn't be 
> pinched, B17 also not flat enough and my old Professional definitely not 
> comfortable for upright riding. YMMV but I find the flat rear section 
> perfect for upright riding and get no impingement on the hamstrings on the 
> downstroke. The springs provide just enough give rocking back and forth at 
> my weight (175#) but do not dampen much vibration. Hope that helps.
>
> On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 5:06:28 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Sort of like the Sheldon Brown technique for breaking in a B 17 years ago 
>> by soaking it in oil. I only did that once...
>>
>> On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 11:26:43 AM UTC-4 pa...@superplastic.co 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> After a lot of testing I've come around to loving my Berthold Mente!! I 
>>> have two.
>>>
>>> I dunked it in water and covered it with saddle grease to break it in 
>>> fast, however.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 8:44:41 PM UTC-4 velomann wrote:
>>>
 I personally find springs superfluous, maybe because I'm light and they 
 don't seem to do much except add weight and squeak.  For the BEST upright 
 saddle I'm always on the lookout for increasingly rare B-68s. The Holy 
 Grail of upright saddles (to me) would be finding a B-68 Imperial.

 Michael M

 On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:42:42 AM UTC-7 Jesse Stoddard wrote:

> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to 
> actuate the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>
> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've 
> heard is excellent quality.
>
> Anything else to consider?
>


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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[schralp]

I just went through all of the Brooks iterations over the last 3 months for 
my Platypus. I found B67 was the right seat for my posture and rear. Flyer 
not flat enough, flyer carved pinches areas that shouldn't be pinched, B17 
also not flat enough and my old Professional definitely not comfortable for 
upright riding. YMMV but I find the flat rear section perfect for upright 
riding and get no impingement on the hamstrings on the downstroke. The 
springs provide just enough give rocking back and forth at my weight (175#) 
but do not dampen much vibration. Hope that helps.

On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 5:06:28 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sort of like the Sheldon Brown technique for breaking in a B 17 years ago 
> by soaking it in oil. I only did that once...
>
> On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 11:26:43 AM UTC-4 pa...@superplastic.co 
> wrote:
>
>> After a lot of testing I've come around to loving my Berthold Mente!! I 
>> have two.
>>
>> I dunked it in water and covered it with saddle grease to break it in 
>> fast, however.
>>
>> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 8:44:41 PM UTC-4 velomann wrote:
>>
>>> I personally find springs superfluous, maybe because I'm light and they 
>>> don't seem to do much except add weight and squeak.  For the BEST upright 
>>> saddle I'm always on the lookout for increasingly rare B-68s. The Holy 
>>> Grail of upright saddles (to me) would be finding a B-68 Imperial.
>>>
>>> Michael M
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:42:42 AM UTC-7 Jesse Stoddard wrote:
>>>
 What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to 
 actuate the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.

 The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard 
 is excellent quality.

 Anything else to consider?

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Joel S]

Sort of like the Sheldon Brown technique for breaking in a B 17 years ago 
by soaking it in oil. I only did that once...

On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 11:26:43 AM UTC-4 pa...@superplastic.co 
wrote:

> After a lot of testing I've come around to loving my Berthold Mente!! I 
> have two.
>
> I dunked it in water and covered it with saddle grease to break it in 
> fast, however.
>
> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 8:44:41 PM UTC-4 velomann wrote:
>
>> I personally find springs superfluous, maybe because I'm light and they 
>> don't seem to do much except add weight and squeak.  For the BEST upright 
>> saddle I'm always on the lookout for increasingly rare B-68s. The Holy 
>> Grail of upright saddles (to me) would be finding a B-68 Imperial.
>>
>> Michael M
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:42:42 AM UTC-7 Jesse Stoddard wrote:
>>
>>> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to 
>>> actuate the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>>>
>>> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard 
>>> is excellent quality.
>>>
>>> Anything else to consider?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Joel S]

I have to agree, at 143 or so soaking wet I have not found a sprung saddle 
doing anything for me. I have 1 B68 left, it rubs my thighs, I have 
contemplated having a shoemaker put some holes in the sides reinforced by 
those little metal circles and using some string to bring the edges closer 
or maybe a tensioning tool would do the job without mutilating the saddle. 
I hate to alter it.

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 8:44:41 PM UTC-4 velomann wrote:

> I personally find springs superfluous, maybe because I'm light and they 
> don't seem to do much except add weight and squeak.  For the BEST upright 
> saddle I'm always on the lookout for increasingly rare B-68s. The Holy 
> Grail of upright saddles (to me) would be finding a B-68 Imperial.
>
> Michael M
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:42:42 AM UTC-7 Jesse Stoddard wrote:
>
>> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to 
>> actuate the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>>
>> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard 
>> is excellent quality.
>>
>> Anything else to consider?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Paul Budnitz]

After a lot of testing I've come around to loving my Berthold Mente!! I 
have two.

I dunked it in water and covered it with saddle grease to break it in fast, 
however.

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 8:44:41 PM UTC-4 velomann wrote:

> I personally find springs superfluous, maybe because I'm light and they 
> don't seem to do much except add weight and squeak.  For the BEST upright 
> saddle I'm always on the lookout for increasingly rare B-68s. The Holy 
> Grail of upright saddles (to me) would be finding a B-68 Imperial.
>
> Michael M
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:42:42 AM UTC-7 Jesse Stoddard wrote:
>
>> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to 
>> actuate the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>>
>> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard 
>> is excellent quality.
>>
>> Anything else to consider?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[velomann]

I personally find springs superfluous, maybe because I'm light and they 
don't seem to do much except add weight and squeak.  For the BEST upright 
saddle I'm always on the lookout for increasingly rare B-68s. The Holy 
Grail of upright saddles (to me) would be finding a B-68 Imperial.

Michael M

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:42:42 AM UTC-7 Jesse Stoddard wrote:

> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to actuate 
> the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>
> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard is 
> excellent quality.
>
> Anything else to consider?
>

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Roberta]

On my first Riv, I had a B17.  It was fine, but I switched it to a flyer (a 
sprung B17) and it was much more comfy.  To lighten my bike, I switched to 
a Selle Anatomica the one without the cutout and I prefer that to the B17. 
I also have one with the cutout and that is OK too.   The SA ones do come 
back more than the B17.  I like all these saddles fine, but the Flyer is my 
fav of the group. It just takes the edge off of unexpected bumps and dips 
in the road, but it weights a pound more.  SAs are my next fav.

With all this said, none of these "disappear" below me.  Unfortunately, I'm 
not rich enough to try all the ones I'd like to, including Rivit's Loveland 
and the B67.  Check out Craig's list.  There's a lot of junk saddles 
offered, but I see some good ones, too, and they go fast for a reasonable 
price. 

Also, keep an eye for sale saddles on each manufacturer's and reseller's 
web pages.  When these get returned, they often go into the sale bin 
without anything wrong with them.  Do a google search every night until you 
find a lower than usual price.

Roberta

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 10:13:41 AM UTC-4, Patrick Cronin wrote:
>
> Selle Anatomica also has a loyal following. The only leather saddles I've 
> ridden are Brooks. B17 saddles (unsprung) do ok for upright, but the flyer 
> (basically a sprung B17) is better. I have a Flyer on my Hunqapillar. For 
> super upright riding, the B67, wide and sprung, is touted as superior (and 
> I have one on my Hubbuhubbuh tandem), but I prefer the flyer. The reason 
> has to do with my sit bones (narrow) and bottom mass (minimal). For those 
> with wider sit bones and more bottom mass, the B67 would likely be ideal 
> and the flyer too narrow. Both the Flyer and the B67 come in "short" 
> versions for women and smaller riders.
>
> Another Brooks saddle to consider, but one I have not tried, is the 
> Cambium C67 ( https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/c67.html ). 
>
> -Patrick
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 7:42:42 AM UTC-4 Jesse wrote:
>
>> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to 
>> actuate the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>>
>> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard 
>> is excellent quality.
>>
>> Anything else to consider?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Garth]

If your primary pressure points are under your sit bones like me the 
Selle Royal Lookin Moderate Men's saddles are awesome . I've tried many so 
called padded saddles that were either too soft(unsupportive) or too 
firm(Like a Terry for example, utterly painful), these have a seemingly 
magic balance of padding being both firm and forgiving. 180mm width is 
plenty since the entire width is padded and usable. 

   

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

   Have you figured out your sit bone width yet? The WTB website has a very 
clever widget for figuring out the width of your sit bones using the width 
of your wrist, very cool and easier than pressing your butt into a piece of 
soft cardboard or some such.

   Once you've figured that out, you'll know how many saddles are possible 
solutions. 

   I have wider sit bones, so my options are rather limited. The wide 
Berthoud Aubisque is my "racy" saddle. If I needed wider, I'd probably look 
into Rivet for leather or SQLab for synthetic. The Brooks B67 fit me, but 
rubbed my thighs.

   SqLab makes/sells synthetic saddle models each with multiple widths.

YMMV, 

John

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Patrick Cronin]

The only similar visual I could find was a Troll with 
Boscos: 
https://forums.mtbr.com/attachments/surly/828213d1377900206-surly-troll-troll-3-side-small.jpg
 
Looks like they are running a Thompson setback post (or similar) and even 
then their saddle is all the way aft. Their stem is about as long as they 
come. Curious what you end up with.
-Patrick

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 11:28:48 AM UTC-4 Jesse Stoddard wrote:

> In addition to running Boscos, I have my Ogre setup with a 7 inch 
> threadless stem riser. So yeah, I'm bolt upright, hands slightly behind the 
> steering axis etc. I love it. Also I run two sets of Surly's dropout 
> spacers in the back, yielding ~46cm stays. 
>
> The 73 degree STA is too steep for sit-up-and-beg I'm finding, so in 
> conjunction with a long setback post, looks like I'll have to run something 
> like the WTB saddle Pete suggested. 
>
> Still wondering about how far back I can get the Loveland and C67, too. 
> Also have never been on a saddle as short as the Loveland and wonder if 
> that would agree with me.
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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Joel S]

The B67 is wider, like the B68.  I rode both and preferred the 68 but now 
it seems to rub my thighs so I went back to a 17 champion special.  I may 
try to tension it

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 10:08:21 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello!
> I've never sat on a B67, but if Riv's info is correct, it's the same 
> dimensions as a B17. I ride fairly upright and use a B17 and find it VERY 
> comfortable (and I'm 6'3" 220). I'm assuming you've ruled that out or have 
> tried it and it didn't work, though. What John said about the wiggle room 
> to the sides is good info, too...that might make the 67 edge out the 17 if 
> you think that'd make the saddle more comfy.
>
> Ben
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 8:57:07 AM UTC-5 John A. Bennett wrote:
>
>> Before you rule out a Brooks B-67, Jesse, there's one thing to consider:
>> The springs are very stiff, and only provide the minimum of 
>> shock-absorbing qualities.
>>
>> What the springs *do* allow is a little sideways movement as you pedal, 
>> dipping a little with each pedal stroke. 
>> It's a great saddle for an upright position, giving your sit-bones the 
>> perfect platform on which to perch. 
>>
>> - John in Portland
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:42:42 AM UTC-7 Jesse wrote:
>>
>>> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to 
>>> actuate the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>>>
>>> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard 
>>> is excellent quality.
>>>
>>> Anything else to consider?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Jesse Stoddard]

In addition to running Boscos, I have my Ogre setup with a 7 inch 
threadless stem riser. So yeah, I'm bolt upright, hands slightly behind the 
steering axis etc. I love it. Also I run two sets of Surly's dropout 
spacers in the back, yielding ~46cm stays. 

The 73 degree STA is too steep for sit-up-and-beg I'm finding, so in 
conjunction with a long setback post, looks like I'll have to run something 
like the WTB saddle Pete suggested. 

Still wondering about how far back I can get the Loveland and C67, too. 
Also have never been on a saddle as short as the Loveland and wonder if 
that would agree with me.

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Ted Fay]

Jesse, 

For complicated reasons, I have an extra saddle (unused, still in original 
package/bag) which might be what you are looking for. It's yours for 
shipping if you'd like to check it 
out. 
https://www.cyclestoussaint.com/collections/accessories/products/la-cite-leather-saddle

If it works for you, give a few extra cents to the folks 
at https://www.feedingamerica.org or https://www.railstotrails.org. If not, 
send it back to me. Unused bike parts are a small crime. 

Ted

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 10:02:41 AM UTC-5 Pete B wrote:

> Jesse, I think you want a leather saddle, but have you considered a 
> synthetic mountain bike saddle like the WTB Pure? It has a flat area, like 
> the B-17, and wouldn't look out of place on a Surly.  
>
> I replaced a B-17 Flyer on a on old Trek 950 with the WTB, because of 
> limited setback. I don't sit bolt upright on that bike, but I'm using 
> Albatross bars that are about even, maybe a bit higher than saddle level, 
> so I'm fairly upright. It's not a toodler, but I am comfortable.
>
> FWIW, I have a C-17 on a drop bar bike as it feels a little "racier" to me 
> than a B-17 standard. Besides shape, I think it has less give than a 
> leather saddle. I wouldn't recommend it for a "very upright" position. 
> Maybe it's just sample variation, but my Flyer and Standard do not feel 
> like the same saddle to me, despite the similarities. The Flyer seems 
> better suited to a more upright posture. Perhaps that is because as John 
> says above, the saddle dips with each pedal stroke (I know it does this, 
> because I had to put a dab of grease on the spring rails keeps it from 
> squeaking/rubbing). That dipping would explain why the nose of the Flyer 
> seems more apparent to me in comparison to the Standard. 
>
> Pete
> Arlington, VA
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 10:35:35 AM UTC-4 Jesse Stoddard wrote:
>
>> Okay, so I borrowed a B17 this morning and set it up on my Ogre (73 seat 
>> tube angle) with a Velo Orange long setback post (30mm setback), and even 
>> with the saddle slammed, still didn't have enough setback. Also couldn't 
>> get the nose angled up high enough. Within the next couple years I intend 
>> to own a frame with a slacker seat tube angle, but in the interim I'll have 
>> to come up with something with rails that will allow for greater setback, 
>> which I understand is a feature of the Rivet Loveland. 
>>
>> I'm pretty curious about that C67, too. Any owners of which in this group?
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[iamkeith]

I actually don't think Selle Anatomica would work well in an upright position.  
I've got them on almost all of my bikes now.  I don't ride in an "agressive," 
level-back posture - more like 55 degree forward lean in most cases, and the 
saddle is great for this.  Any more upright than that, it would feel too narrow 
and long AND stretch out really quickly.  

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[lconley]

I use the B-68 which can still be found on Ebay occasionally. I have 6 or 7 
of them (3 aged and the rest in standard black). Same shape as the B-67 but 
without the springs. My wife has a B-68S on her Betty Foy.
I also had a B-678 built - Honey B67 leather on a chromed B68 frame.
The Loveland is rock hard compared to the Brooks B-68.

Laing
Delray Beach FL




On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 7:42:42 AM UTC-4, Jesse Stoddard wrote:
>
> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to actuate 
> the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>
> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard is 
> excellent quality.
>
> Anything else to consider?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Robert Tilley]

  I use the WTB Pure on many of my bikes and it is my go-to non-leather saddle. I love the B17 and the Pure is just as comfortable for me but offers more setback and I can move around on it more than on a B17.I actually prefer the older model that was called the Pure V. It feels better to me even though they look to be basically the same as the new model. I have a few Pure V's squirreled away for future use.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: peter.b...@gmail.comSent: October 13, 2020 8:02 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?  Jesse, I think you want a leather saddle, but have you considered a synthetic mountain bike saddle like the WTB Pure? It has a flat area, like the B-17, and wouldn't look out of place on a Surly.  I replaced a B-17 Flyer on a on old Trek 950 with the WTB, because of limited setback. I don't sit bolt upright on that bike, but I'm using Albatross bars that are about even, maybe a bit higher than saddle level, so I'm fairly upright. It's not a toodler, but I am comfortable.FWIW, I have a C-17 on a drop bar bike as it feels a little "racier" to me than a B-17 standard. Besides shape, I think it has less give than a leather saddle. I wouldn't recommend it for a "very upright" position. Maybe it's just sample variation, but my Flyer and Standard do not feel like the same saddle to me, despite the similarities. The Flyer seems better suited to a more upright posture. Perhaps that is because as John says above, the saddle dips with each pedal stroke (I know it does this, because I had to put a dab of grease on the spring rails keeps it from squeaking/rubbing). That dipping would explain why the nose of the Flyer seems more apparent to me in comparison to the Standard. PeteArlington, VAOn Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 10:35:35 AM UTC-4 Jesse Stoddard wrote:Okay, so I borrowed a B17 this morning and set it up on my Ogre (73 seat tube angle) with a Velo Orange long setback post (30mm setback), and even with the saddle slammed, still didn't have enough setback. Also couldn't get the nose angled up high enough. Within the next couple years I intend to own a frame with a slacker seat tube angle, but in the interim I'll have to come up with something with rails that will allow for greater setback, which I understand is a feature of the Rivet Loveland. I'm pretty curious about that C67, too. Any owners of which in this group?



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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Pete B]

Jesse, I think you want a leather saddle, but have you considered a 
synthetic mountain bike saddle like the WTB Pure? It has a flat area, like 
the B-17, and wouldn't look out of place on a Surly.  

I replaced a B-17 Flyer on a on old Trek 950 with the WTB, because of 
limited setback. I don't sit bolt upright on that bike, but I'm using 
Albatross bars that are about even, maybe a bit higher than saddle level, 
so I'm fairly upright. It's not a toodler, but I am comfortable.

FWIW, I have a C-17 on a drop bar bike as it feels a little "racier" to me 
than a B-17 standard. Besides shape, I think it has less give than a 
leather saddle. I wouldn't recommend it for a "very upright" position. 
Maybe it's just sample variation, but my Flyer and Standard do not feel 
like the same saddle to me, despite the similarities. The Flyer seems 
better suited to a more upright posture. Perhaps that is because as John 
says above, the saddle dips with each pedal stroke (I know it does this, 
because I had to put a dab of grease on the spring rails keeps it from 
squeaking/rubbing). That dipping would explain why the nose of the Flyer 
seems more apparent to me in comparison to the Standard. 

Pete
Arlington, VA
On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 10:35:35 AM UTC-4 Jesse Stoddard wrote:

> Okay, so I borrowed a B17 this morning and set it up on my Ogre (73 seat 
> tube angle) with a Velo Orange long setback post (30mm setback), and even 
> with the saddle slammed, still didn't have enough setback. Also couldn't 
> get the nose angled up high enough. Within the next couple years I intend 
> to own a frame with a slacker seat tube angle, but in the interim I'll have 
> to come up with something with rails that will allow for greater setback, 
> which I understand is a feature of the Rivet Loveland. 
>
> I'm pretty curious about that C67, too. Any owners of which in this group?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Patrick Cronin]

The Ogre, with its super sloping top tube, tends not to have handlebars 
above saddle height. The title of this post is, "very upright posture". Not 
too many Ogres are set up that way. Based on the information you've 
provided, it seems like you need a longer stem or a stem with more rise, 
but that may not be the case. Plenty of Ogres out there with B17, Flyers, 
and Cambiums, but hardly ever with B67.

-Patrick

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 10:35:35 AM UTC-4 Jesse Stoddard wrote:

> Okay, so I borrowed a B17 this morning and set it up on my Ogre (73 seat 
> tube angle) with a Velo Orange long setback post (30mm setback), and even 
> with the saddle slammed, still didn't have enough setback. Also couldn't 
> get the nose angled up high enough. Within the next couple years I intend 
> to own a frame with a slacker seat tube angle, but in the interim I'll have 
> to come up with something with rails that will allow for greater setback, 
> which I understand is a feature of the Rivet Loveland. 
>
> I'm pretty curious about that C67, too. Any owners of which in this group?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Jesse]

Okay, so I borrowed a B17 this morning and set it up on my Ogre (73 seat 
tube angle) with a Velo Orange long setback post (30mm setback), and even 
with the saddle slammed, still didn't have enough setback. Also couldn't 
get the nose angled up high enough. Within the next couple years I intend 
to own a frame with a slacker seat tube angle, but in the interim I'll have 
to come up with something with rails that will allow for greater setback, 
which I understand is a feature of the Rivet Loveland. 

I'm pretty curious about that C67, too. Any owners of which in this group?


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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Ben Mihovk]

Whoops...the Flyer is the one that's the same measurements as the 17...my 
bad. 


On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 9:13:41 AM UTC-5 Patrick Cronin wrote:

> Selle Anatomica also has a loyal following. The only leather saddles I've 
> ridden are Brooks. B17 saddles (unsprung) do ok for upright, but the flyer 
> (basically a sprung B17) is better. I have a Flyer on my Hunqapillar. For 
> super upright riding, the B67, wide and sprung, is touted as superior (and 
> I have one on my Hubbuhubbuh tandem), but I prefer the flyer. The reason 
> has to do with my sit bones (narrow) and bottom mass (minimal). For those 
> with wider sit bones and more bottom mass, the B67 would likely be ideal 
> and the flyer too narrow. Both the Flyer and the B67 come in "short" 
> versions for women and smaller riders.
>
> Another Brooks saddle to consider, but one I have not tried, is the 
> Cambium C67 ( https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/c67.html ). 
>
> -Patrick
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 7:42:42 AM UTC-4 Jesse wrote:
>
>> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to 
>> actuate the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>>
>> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard 
>> is excellent quality.
>>
>> Anything else to consider?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Patrick Cronin]

Selle Anatomica also has a loyal following. The only leather saddles I've 
ridden are Brooks. B17 saddles (unsprung) do ok for upright, but the flyer 
(basically a sprung B17) is better. I have a Flyer on my Hunqapillar. For 
super upright riding, the B67, wide and sprung, is touted as superior (and 
I have one on my Hubbuhubbuh tandem), but I prefer the flyer. The reason 
has to do with my sit bones (narrow) and bottom mass (minimal). For those 
with wider sit bones and more bottom mass, the B67 would likely be ideal 
and the flyer too narrow. Both the Flyer and the B67 come in "short" 
versions for women and smaller riders.

Another Brooks saddle to consider, but one I have not tried, is the Cambium 
C67 ( https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/c67.html ). 

-Patrick
On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 7:42:42 AM UTC-4 Jesse wrote:

> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to actuate 
> the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>
> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard is 
> excellent quality.
>
> Anything else to consider?
>

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Ben Mihovk]

Hello!
I've never sat on a B67, but if Riv's info is correct, it's the same 
dimensions as a B17. I ride fairly upright and use a B17 and find it VERY 
comfortable (and I'm 6'3" 220). I'm assuming you've ruled that out or have 
tried it and it didn't work, though. What John said about the wiggle room 
to the sides is good info, too...that might make the 67 edge out the 17 if 
you think that'd make the saddle more comfy.

Ben


On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 8:57:07 AM UTC-5 John A. Bennett wrote:

> Before you rule out a Brooks B-67, Jesse, there's one thing to consider:
> The springs are very stiff, and only provide the minimum of 
> shock-absorbing qualities.
>
> What the springs *do* allow is a little sideways movement as you pedal, 
> dipping a little with each pedal stroke. 
> It's a great saddle for an upright position, giving your sit-bones the 
> perfect platform on which to perch. 
>
> - John in Portland
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:42:42 AM UTC-7 Jesse wrote:
>
>> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to 
>> actuate the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>>
>> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard 
>> is excellent quality.
>>
>> Anything else to consider?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best saddle for very upright posture?

[John A. Bennett]

Before you rule out a Brooks B-67, Jesse, there's one thing to consider:
The springs are very stiff, and only provide the minimum of shock-absorbing 
qualities.

What the springs *do* allow is a little sideways movement as you pedal, 
dipping a little with each pedal stroke. 
It's a great saddle for an upright position, giving your sit-bones the 
perfect platform on which to perch. 

- John in Portland



On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:42:42 AM UTC-7 Jesse wrote:

> What I really want is a sprung Brooks, but I'm not heavy enough to actuate 
> the springs. Can't afford a Berthoud.
>
> The only other option I know of is the Rivet Loveland, which I've heard is 
> excellent quality.
>
> Anything else to consider?
>

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