[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service
I though the Rivendell offer was generous in spirit and in practice. What they were offering was clear. Seems odd to pick it apart... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service
Quoting rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com: The whole discount thing was a little unclear. I read it several times and still kind of thought it was a discount for all members who had been affected by the poor economy. Too many ifs, ands, and ors... (apostrophe or not?). Here's what they said: quote 1. You or your spouse has lost a job because of the economy, so you've lost a huge chunk of income because of the economy. 2. You are retired AND living off your stocks, which have crashed, and you've lost enough of your retirement income that without the discount, you couldn't afford anything. /quote Dramatically narrowed scope than originally proposed, and as I said, clearly enough to disqualify me (and any other retired government employee, or retiree with a part-time job). I'd have been a lot happier if the discount were smaller, so they weren't actually making zero profit, but were more widely available. It felt a lot like put-and-take. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service
On Dec 23, 2008, at 1:20 AM, rob markwardt wrote: The whole discount thing was a little unclear. I read it several times and still kind of thought it was a discount for all members who had been affected by the poor economy. Too many ifs, ands, and ors... (apostrophe or not?). It didn't seem unclear to me. While my wife was recently laid off due to the economy, we're not (yet) suffering from this at all economically. Certainly I have a bit of worry and insecurity about this because the part-time gig she has at REI pays about 25% of what she used to make. Fortunately there are some people interested in hiring her within her field and she is thinking over those options. So I didn't think we qualified for the discount. Maybe a month or two from now we will (as my wife is still getting vacation pay and will into mid-January) if she hasn't sucured a job with reasonable pay. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service
Sorry to hear that Tim. I know you have all that old McNamara money behind you, but let me know if you guys need any help with anything. Personally, I found the discount to be a clever bit of marketing. Discounts, even steep ones, aren't uncommon in the bike business this time of year, and anybody who sells anything is discounting in this economy. Discounts are an essential part of managing inventory and cash flow. While we've had a wonderful year, we're happy to sell anything that's in stock right now. Even a low/no-profit sale can be great in terms of mid-winter cash flow. What's genius, even if it wasn't intentionally so, is how Riv framed their sale in a way that makes the company look generous rather than desperate. Not that they aren't generous, or that they are desperate, of course, but many retailers offering deep discounts right now do seem desperate. On Dec 23, 8:25 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Dec 23, 2008, at 1:20 AM, rob markwardt wrote: The whole discount thing was a little unclear. I read it several times and still kind of thought it was a discount for all members who had been affected by the poor economy. Too many ifs, ands, and ors... (apostrophe or not?). It didn't seem unclear to me. While my wife was recently laid off due to the economy, we're not (yet) suffering from this at all economically. Certainly I have a bit of worry and insecurity about this because the part-time gig she has at REI pays about 25% of what she used to make. Fortunately there are some people interested in hiring her within her field and she is thinking over those options. So I didn't think we qualified for the discount. Maybe a month or two from now we will (as my wife is still getting vacation pay and will into mid-January) if she hasn't sucured a job with reasonable pay. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service
I was both impressed with Rivendell and touched by the offer. Literally. I lost my job in May of last year - due to both company restructuring and the economy. It had been slow at my employer for the last year or two. Unfortunately when the discount came down I couldn't afford to spend the money on bike parts. Had the timing been different for me, I had a list of stuff that I would have purchased. So my thanks go to RBW for thinking of those of us in a troubled financial position. And Best Wishes to all this holiday season. Phil B --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service
I think, opine, consider, think, presume, and believe that Grant was wholly altruistic in his offer, and I applaud, congratulate, en-kudo, praise, commend, and acclaim it whole heartedly. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service
Considering the recent weather all over the country, I'd be inclined to cut 'em some slack. Hey, you've got great reading for the next snowstorm! dougP On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: Neither snow nor rain nor heat of day nor gloom of night shall stay these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds. On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:05 PM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: My copies of BQ and the Rivendell Holiday Catalog arrived today! peace, shalom, salaam, Michael Westford, Vt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service
Neither snow nor rain nor heat of day nor gloom of night shall stay these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds. On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:05 PM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: My copies of BQ and the Rivendell Holiday Catalog arrived today! peace, shalom, salaam, Michael Westford, Vt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service
My copy arrived on the 19th, too bad as I would sure have qualified for the 30% off, I'm sure Riv did all possible to get them out on time, things always don't work out. On Dec 22, 2:05 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: My copies of BQ and the Rivendell Holiday Catalog arrived today! peace, shalom, salaam, Michael Westford, Vt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service
On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:13 -0800, dally wrote: My copy arrived on the 19th, too bad as I would sure have qualified for the 30% off, I'm sure Riv did all possible to get them out on time, things always don't work out. I thought for sure I'd qualify too: retired, and hell, whose investments didn't take a beating in the current financial mess? Only, they qualified the terms of the deal: retired, investments tanked and you're still trying to live off them and have no other income, and have no money to spend on bike parts. OK, I don't qualify there, and thank goodness. If I did, even with such a great discount, I doubt I'd be buying bike parts... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service
The whole discount thing was a little unclear. I read it several times and still kind of thought it was a discount for all members who had been affected by the poor economy. Too many ifs, ands, and ors... (apostrophe or not?). On Dec 22, 2:45 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:13 -0800, dally wrote: My copy arrived on the 19th, too bad as I would sure have qualified for the 30% off, I'm sure Riv did all possible to get them out on time, things always don't work out. I thought for sure I'd qualify too: retired, and hell, whose investments didn't take a beating in the current financial mess? Only, they qualified the terms of the deal: retired, investments tanked and you're still trying to live off them and have no other income, and have no money to spend on bike parts. OK, I don't qualify there, and thank goodness. If I did, even with such a great discount, I doubt I'd be buying bike parts... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
