Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Craig Montgomery]

"I like this attitude. There is no right of wrong. One tip I have learned
from this thread was to plan for my water consumption. That was the sort of
no brainer thing that I never considered. I was happy to learn from someone
else’s experience."
Jason

  Yes. Yes. And yes.  Gave a talk/slideshow along with several other
bike tourists, at Transit Cycles here in Tucson about 2-3 years ago. Each
talk ended with questions and one fella consistently asked "What were you
most concerned about?" Except for the Northwest tourists and one who toured
the Allegheny Trail (?), the rest (AZ, CO, ID and Mongolia), consistently
answered, "The availability of water." Water is volume heavy and weight
heavy. No water or the worry of your next source can change the color of
any tour. You have to plan ahead or carry beyond what you think you need.
It's better to have it and not need it than...

Craig in Tucson
You need water to cook
You need water to drink
There's water for coffee
A necessity I think
So have lots around
And keep those dishes clean
But mostly it's for my whiskey
If you know what I mean
  Burma Shave


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 5:04 PM J L  wrote:

> I like this attitude. There is no right of wrong.
>
> One tip I have learned from this thread was to plan for my water
> consumption. That was the sort of no brainer thing that I never considered.
> I was happy to learn from someone else’s experience.
>
> Jason
>
>
> On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Jeffrey Arita 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Hello Jason,
>
> IMHO cyclo-touring/bikepacking or whatever you want to call it, there is
> no right or wrong.  I think the key is just to get out there.  I agree,
> that first step is the hardest.  One caveat though: If you do go out, you
> may never want to come back ;)
>
> I attached a pic of my rig for the GDMBR.  My wife's bike was eerily
> similar.  This was Summer 2017.  Again, there is no right or wrong.  We
> encountered a guy riding an older bike in which he attached 5-gallon
> plastic buckets as his panniers (covered in plastic wrap for
> waterproofing).  It worked for him.
>
> Finally: Most people will attest that when one carries this much stuff you
> can go for 1 night, 1 week, or 1 month (depending upon the weather of
> course).
>
> Good luck and have fun!
>
> Jeff
> Claremont, CA
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 6:41:08 PM UTC-7, J L wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any
>> sage advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the
>> house, do one or two overnights, and ride home.
>>
>> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a
>> backpack or bike basket and going.
>>
>> Jason
>> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[J L]

I like this attitude. There is no right of wrong. 

One tip I have learned from this thread was to plan for my water consumption. 
That was the sort of no brainer thing that I never considered. I was happy to 
learn from someone else’s experience. 

Jason


> On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Jeffrey Arita  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Jason,
> 
> IMHO cyclo-touring/bikepacking or whatever you want to call it, there is no 
> right or wrong.  I think the key is just to get out there.  I agree, that 
> first step is the hardest.  One caveat though: If you do go out, you may 
> never want to come back ;)
> 
> I attached a pic of my rig for the GDMBR.  My wife's bike was eerily similar. 
>  This was Summer 2017.  Again, there is no right or wrong.  We encountered a 
> guy riding an older bike in which he attached 5-gallon plastic buckets as his 
> panniers (covered in plastic wrap for waterproofing).  It worked for him.
> 
> Finally: Most people will attest that when one carries this much stuff you 
> can go for 1 night, 1 week, or 1 month (depending upon the weather of course).
> 
> Good luck and have fun!
> 
> Jeff
> Claremont, CA
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 6:41:08 PM UTC-7, J L wrote:
>> Hello all, 
>> 
>> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any sage 
>> advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the house, 
>> do one or two overnights, and ride home. 
>> 
>> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a backpack 
>> or bike basket and going. 
>> 
>> Jason 
>> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[J L]

Thanks! 

> On Apr 20, 2020, at 11:54 PM, Craig Montgomery  wrote:
> 
> 
> Here's a fun one for you Jason. From the master himself: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny81vcxTZQk 
> 
> Ian always said what you take for the weekend is the same as what you take 
> around the world. The only difference is the amount of food and water. Of 
> course when he said it we didn't have satellite weather like now. So you had 
> to be prepared for anything and everything. Have been looking for a stove 
> like that but they're pretty pricey now.
> 
> Craig in Tucson, rereading my "Into the Remote Places" 
> 
>> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 6:41:08 PM UTC-7, J L wrote:
>> Hello all, 
>> 
>> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any sage 
>> advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the house, 
>> do one or two overnights, and ride home. 
>> 
>> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a backpack 
>> or bike basket and going. 
>> 
>> Jason 
>> SF, CA
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[RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Jock Dewey]

Jason:

Should maybe include a list of disclaimers -- I don't necessarily recommend 
following my tracks. But you can ride coast to coast just like this if 
you're crazy enough and don't know the difference.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/39787656583/in/album-72157704309319711/

BTW, Craig's the expert, follow his advice not mine.

Jock Dewey / Athens, GA



On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:41:08 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:
>
> Hello all, 
>
> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any 
> sage advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the 
> house, do one or two overnights, and ride home. 
>
> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a 
> backpack or bike basket and going. 
>
> Jason 
> SF, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Craig Montgomery]

Welcome to the Southwest. Nothing is more miserable than running out of
water. I immediately start going into coffee withdrawals. In one of Heinz
Stucke's
stories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_St%C3%BCcke  he talks of
running out somewhere in Ethiopia I think and having to go 2 or 3 days in
its hot desert clime, pushing his bike through sand much of the way. That's
body bag stuff.
Here's Ian Hibbel in the Sahara, note blue containers.
[image: The Master At Work.jpg]

Craig who has nightmares of upchucking dust in Tucson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9=tHVpJGXZ21o

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:11 PM Robert Tilley  wrote:

> When we rode the White Rim Road in Utah there was no accessible water to
> filter so we also carried 13L each in with us. I added a rack to my bike
> for that trip and strapped a 10L dromedary bag on top and also carried a 3L
> hydration bladder. I'd much rather carry a filter but we had no choice on
> that trip.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
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>
> 13 L of water- wow!!
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 8:10 AM David Baldi 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I love camping with the Medium saddlesack. I have enough just enough
> clearance to run the bag without any support (first run 59 Clem, PBH 90.5),
> but I have a Mark's rack back there now and like having the extra
> stability. I have a cheap Soma rack upfront with a 137 Wald. For a three
> night trip through the San Rafael's (Bosco pics), I kept lighter stuff in
> the basket plus one camelback bladder, and lashed stuffsacks to the
> underside. We had to carry 13 liters each of water on this trip—I taped
> waterbottle cages everywhere, as you will see, and carried two bladders in
> the saddlebag, in addition to the camelback up front. No tent, still plenty
> of room, but heavy! But I was so comfortable the whole time. Weight
> distribution felt really good. For S24Os I do the more or less the same,
> without the stuff sacks, and think I will sew a shallow framebag for when I
> need to bring a tent (I am lashing it to the toptube currently, as in the
> pictures). I am always surprised how much you can do with saddlebag +
> basket.
> >
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/1vLqhnwyJxNdbyJPA
> >
> > : )
> > David
> >
> > On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:41:08 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any
> sage advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the
> house, do one or two overnights, and ride home.
> >>
> >> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a
> backpack or bike basket and going.
> >>
> >> Jason
> >> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Robert Tilley]

When we rode the White Rim Road in Utah there was no accessible water to filter 
so we also carried 13L each in with us. I added a rack to my bike for that trip 
and strapped a 10L dromedary bag on top and also carried a 3L hydration 
bladder. I'd much rather carry a filter but we had no choice on that trip.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA


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13 L of water- wow!!

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 8:10 AM David Baldi  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I love camping with the Medium saddlesack. I have enough just enough 
> clearance to run the bag without any support (first run 59 Clem, PBH 90.5), 
> but I have a Mark's rack back there now and like having the extra stability. 
> I have a cheap Soma rack upfront with a 137 Wald. For a three night trip 
> through the San Rafael's (Bosco pics), I kept lighter stuff in the basket 
> plus one camelback bladder, and lashed stuffsacks to the underside. We had to 
> carry 13 liters each of water on this trip—I taped waterbottle cages 
> everywhere, as you will see, and carried two bladders in the saddlebag, in 
> addition to the camelback up front. No tent, still plenty of room, but heavy! 
> But I was so comfortable the whole time. Weight distribution felt really 
> good. For S24Os I do the more or less the same, without the stuff sacks, and 
> think I will sew a shallow framebag for when I need to bring a tent (I am 
> lashing it to the toptube currently, as in the pictures). I am always 
> surprised how much you can do with saddlebag + basket.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1vLqhnwyJxNdbyJPA
>
> : )
> David
>
> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:41:08 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any sage 
>> advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the house, 
>> do one or two overnights, and ride home.
>>
>> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a backpack 
>> or bike basket and going.
>>
>> Jason
>> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Clark Fitzgerald]

13 L of water- wow!!

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 8:10 AM David Baldi  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I love camping with the Medium saddlesack. I have enough just enough 
> clearance to run the bag without any support (first run 59 Clem, PBH 90.5), 
> but I have a Mark's rack back there now and like having the extra stability. 
> I have a cheap Soma rack upfront with a 137 Wald. For a three night trip 
> through the San Rafael's (Bosco pics), I kept lighter stuff in the basket 
> plus one camelback bladder, and lashed stuffsacks to the underside. We had to 
> carry 13 liters each of water on this trip—I taped waterbottle cages 
> everywhere, as you will see, and carried two bladders in the saddlebag, in 
> addition to the camelback up front. No tent, still plenty of room, but heavy! 
> But I was so comfortable the whole time. Weight distribution felt really 
> good. For S24Os I do the more or less the same, without the stuff sacks, and 
> think I will sew a shallow framebag for when I need to bring a tent (I am 
> lashing it to the toptube currently, as in the pictures). I am always 
> surprised how much you can do with saddlebag + basket.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1vLqhnwyJxNdbyJPA
>
> : )
> David
>
> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:41:08 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any sage 
>> advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the house, 
>> do one or two overnights, and ride home.
>>
>> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a backpack 
>> or bike basket and going.
>>
>> Jason
>> SF, CA
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[RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[David Baldi]

Hi all,

I love camping with the Medium saddlesack. I have enough just enough 
clearance to run the bag without any support (first run 59 Clem, PBH 90.5), 
but I have a Mark's rack back there now and like having the extra 
stability. I have a cheap Soma rack upfront with a 137 Wald. For a three 
night trip through the San Rafael's (Bosco pics), I kept lighter stuff in 
the basket plus one camelback bladder, and lashed stuffsacks to the 
underside. We had to carry 13 liters each of water on this trip—I taped 
waterbottle cages everywhere, as you will see, and carried two bladders in 
the saddlebag, in addition to the camelback up front. No tent, still plenty 
of room, but heavy! But I was so comfortable the whole time. Weight 
distribution felt really good. For S24Os I do the more or less the same, 
without the stuff sacks, and think I will sew a shallow framebag for when I 
need to bring a tent (I am lashing it to the toptube currently, as in the 
pictures). I am always surprised how much you can do with saddlebag + 
basket. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/1vLqhnwyJxNdbyJPA

: )
David

On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:41:08 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:
>
> Hello all, 
>
> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any 
> sage advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the 
> house, do one or two overnights, and ride home. 
>
> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a 
> backpack or bike basket and going. 
>
> Jason 
> SF, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Collin A]

Neil & Others,

The loop you are describing sounds super nice, have you done it before 
(assuming yes, but want to confirm)?

The route I'm working on to Truckee/Donner is a climb-heavy route, maybe 2 
days (only done sections for recon). Probably best not to ride western 
states ;)

The route I intially did follows what you are describing (Foresthill -> 
mosquito ridge -> french meadows reservoir -> soda springs -> Donner), 
again, dirt really only on soda springs. What I am trying to figure out 
still is if I can avoid mosquito ridge for longer and take the ridge 
(forest road 14N25/31/41 through el dorado national forest) between Hell 
Hole reservoir (rubicon river) and French Meadows (Middle Fork American 
River) to then connect to soda springs. It's less direct, has more dirt 
(and logging areas), and is maybe more scenic?

Collin, currently combing through USGS quad maps

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 10:32:59 AM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Collin, perhaps we could continue the thread drift a bit, because the 
> 'east side Lost Sierra' route you are describing has been of large interest 
> to me as well. My initial version is to ride from home (Rocklin) to 
> Truckee, north around Stampede Reservoir and generally along the HWY 89 
> corridor through Sierra Valley (my happy place!). Maybe make it as far 
> north as Lake Davis, then back through Portola and Graegle, up through 
> Lakes Basin, Downieville, and some route home from there. Maybe 3-4 days 
> for that?
>
> All great riding, but the first part from Rocklin to Truckee is a bit 
> daunting. The most straightforward route I have found is Foresthill Divide 
> out to Soda Springs Road, which connects to Old 40 at Donner Pass. That 
> would be a day and a half of riding for me, and only the Soda Springs part 
> is dirt, unless I wanted to be creative and ride the Western States.
>
> Are you able to share your route from Sac to Truckee?
>
> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>>
>> Nice, glad the hunkering was rewarded with a lovely view of the mountain! 
>> I was hoping to spend time this summer exploring the area, but that looks 
>> less likely each week...
>>
>> I met up with friends at summit lake for labor day weekend, then we drove 
>> home.
>>
>> I've been half-assing a route trying to connect Truckee and Lassen for 
>> the past year, but I think with the time I have now I should be able to 
>> start pulling that route together more seriously. It would ideally connect 
>> through Quincy and Downieville, so I should be able to pull resources from 
>> Sierra Buttes Trails to build the route. I already have a route that 
>> connects Sac and Truckee with mostly dirt, so once this chunk gets finished 
>> you could make a train trip to Klammath Falls and finish at Amtrak in 
>> Sacramento. Maybe ~500 miles with a boat load of climbing over 7-12 days.
>>
>> Sorry for the thread drift everyone!
>> Collin in Sac
>>
>> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 9:06:59 AM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Collin! I've noodled the very southern end of that route on a 
>>> three-day loop out of Chester. Spent two days and nights hunkered down at 
>>> Manzanita Lake due to rain and snow. The weather cleared miraculously for 
>>> us and we boogied down through Old Station. I'll never forget the view 
>>> looking back at Lassen with a fresh jacket of snow. Just love that area.
>>>
>>> Hey, your track ends at Summit Lake...did someone meet you there for 
>>> transport, or did you turn around and ride back to Klamath?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 3:32:43 PM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:

 Well aren't you in luck...wrote it up about a year ago. Links to the 
 route are at the bottom


 https://docs.google.com/document/d/17d158deQiEkjr8pvIZfszoqJQqghZVNFzBsoZmqhg-E/edit?usp=sharing

  And thanks for the compliments on the clem, it definitely serves well 
 as a mostly blank and adaptable canvas.

 On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 1:44:21 PM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Collin, I really dug the photos of your Clem, lots of great ways to 
> camp on that bike! Especially love the bottle behind the seat tube.
>
> Would love to hear more about that Lava Beds route, if you could 
> elaborate...
>
> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 9:16:24 AM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>>
>> I'm a big fan of the large voluminous bags that allow you to stuff 
>> all sorts of things into them, rather than strapping all sorts of bags 
>> everywhere; Think BagsxBird and Sackville saddle sacks. That being said, 
>> I 
>> find that having one or two accessory bags strapped to the handlebars 
>> help 
>> with organization that the large bags aren't so good at - tool bag, 
>> phone/camera bag, first aid - things you want easy access to and you 
>> don't 
>> have to go digging for.
>>
>> Re: Bikepacking bags - I found that they are mostly designed 

Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Clark Fitzgerald]

+1 I would love to see that route from Sac to Truckee. I was looking at a 
route through Foresthill.

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 10:32:59 AM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Collin, perhaps we could continue the thread drift a bit, because the 
> 'east side Lost Sierra' route you are describing has been of large interest 
> to me as well. My initial version is to ride from home (Rocklin) to 
> Truckee, north around Stampede Reservoir and generally along the HWY 89 
> corridor through Sierra Valley (my happy place!). Maybe make it as far 
> north as Lake Davis, then back through Portola and Graegle, up through 
> Lakes Basin, Downieville, and some route home from there. Maybe 3-4 days 
> for that?
>
> All great riding, but the first part from Rocklin to Truckee is a bit 
> daunting. The most straightforward route I have found is Foresthill Divide 
> out to Soda Springs Road, which connects to Old 40 at Donner Pass. That 
> would be a day and a half of riding for me, and only the Soda Springs part 
> is dirt, unless I wanted to be creative and ride the Western States.
>
> Are you able to share your route from Sac to Truckee?
>
> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>>
>> Nice, glad the hunkering was rewarded with a lovely view of the mountain! 
>> I was hoping to spend time this summer exploring the area, but that looks 
>> less likely each week...
>>
>> I met up with friends at summit lake for labor day weekend, then we drove 
>> home.
>>
>> I've been half-assing a route trying to connect Truckee and Lassen for 
>> the past year, but I think with the time I have now I should be able to 
>> start pulling that route together more seriously. It would ideally connect 
>> through Quincy and Downieville, so I should be able to pull resources from 
>> Sierra Buttes Trails to build the route. I already have a route that 
>> connects Sac and Truckee with mostly dirt, so once this chunk gets finished 
>> you could make a train trip to Klammath Falls and finish at Amtrak in 
>> Sacramento. Maybe ~500 miles with a boat load of climbing over 7-12 days.
>>
>> Sorry for the thread drift everyone!
>> Collin in Sac
>>
>> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 9:06:59 AM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Collin! I've noodled the very southern end of that route on a 
>>> three-day loop out of Chester. Spent two days and nights hunkered down at 
>>> Manzanita Lake due to rain and snow. The weather cleared miraculously for 
>>> us and we boogied down through Old Station. I'll never forget the view 
>>> looking back at Lassen with a fresh jacket of snow. Just love that area.
>>>
>>> Hey, your track ends at Summit Lake...did someone meet you there for 
>>> transport, or did you turn around and ride back to Klamath?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 3:32:43 PM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:

 Well aren't you in luck...wrote it up about a year ago. Links to the 
 route are at the bottom


 https://docs.google.com/document/d/17d158deQiEkjr8pvIZfszoqJQqghZVNFzBsoZmqhg-E/edit?usp=sharing

  And thanks for the compliments on the clem, it definitely serves well 
 as a mostly blank and adaptable canvas.

 On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 1:44:21 PM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Collin, I really dug the photos of your Clem, lots of great ways to 
> camp on that bike! Especially love the bottle behind the seat tube.
>
> Would love to hear more about that Lava Beds route, if you could 
> elaborate...
>
> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 9:16:24 AM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>>
>> I'm a big fan of the large voluminous bags that allow you to stuff 
>> all sorts of things into them, rather than strapping all sorts of bags 
>> everywhere; Think BagsxBird and Sackville saddle sacks. That being said, 
>> I 
>> find that having one or two accessory bags strapped to the handlebars 
>> help 
>> with organization that the large bags aren't so good at - tool bag, 
>> phone/camera bag, first aid - things you want easy access to and you 
>> don't 
>> have to go digging for.
>>
>> Re: Bikepacking bags - I found that they are mostly designed to 
>> operate without racks, which tend to save a big chunk of weight, and the 
>> smaller bags encourage only bringing what you need. However, it is part 
>> of 
>> a *system *which means you will also need the super packable tent, 
>> sleeping bag, cookset, etc. to make it operate well ($$)
>>
>> Personally, I like to run a hybrid system with a bagsxbird bag 
>> attached to the handlebars, a bedrock tapeats to hold my phone, camera, 
>> and 
>> wallet; half-framebag; sackville bagboy bag supported by a tumbleweed 
>> t-rack that I can attach mini-paniers (for longer trips) or extra bottle 
>> cages for more water if needed. The perk with this setup is it allows 
>> for 
>> easy removal of all bags to lighten the 

Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Neil Doran]

Collin, perhaps we could continue the thread drift a bit, because the 'east 
side Lost Sierra' route you are describing has been of large interest to me 
as well. My initial version is to ride from home (Rocklin) to Truckee, 
north around Stampede Reservoir and generally along the HWY 89 corridor 
through Sierra Valley (my happy place!). Maybe make it as far north as Lake 
Davis, then back through Portola and Graegle, up through Lakes Basin, 
Downieville, and some route home from there. Maybe 3-4 days for that?

All great riding, but the first part from Rocklin to Truckee is a bit 
daunting. The most straightforward route I have found is Foresthill Divide 
out to Soda Springs Road, which connects to Old 40 at Donner Pass. That 
would be a day and a half of riding for me, and only the Soda Springs part 
is dirt, unless I wanted to be creative and ride the Western States.

Are you able to share your route from Sac to Truckee?

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>
> Nice, glad the hunkering was rewarded with a lovely view of the mountain! 
> I was hoping to spend time this summer exploring the area, but that looks 
> less likely each week...
>
> I met up with friends at summit lake for labor day weekend, then we drove 
> home.
>
> I've been half-assing a route trying to connect Truckee and Lassen for the 
> past year, but I think with the time I have now I should be able to start 
> pulling that route together more seriously. It would ideally connect 
> through Quincy and Downieville, so I should be able to pull resources from 
> Sierra Buttes Trails to build the route. I already have a route that 
> connects Sac and Truckee with mostly dirt, so once this chunk gets finished 
> you could make a train trip to Klammath Falls and finish at Amtrak in 
> Sacramento. Maybe ~500 miles with a boat load of climbing over 7-12 days.
>
> Sorry for the thread drift everyone!
> Collin in Sac
>
> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 9:06:59 AM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Collin! I've noodled the very southern end of that route on a 
>> three-day loop out of Chester. Spent two days and nights hunkered down at 
>> Manzanita Lake due to rain and snow. The weather cleared miraculously for 
>> us and we boogied down through Old Station. I'll never forget the view 
>> looking back at Lassen with a fresh jacket of snow. Just love that area.
>>
>> Hey, your track ends at Summit Lake...did someone meet you there for 
>> transport, or did you turn around and ride back to Klamath?
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 3:32:43 PM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>>>
>>> Well aren't you in luck...wrote it up about a year ago. Links to the 
>>> route are at the bottom
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17d158deQiEkjr8pvIZfszoqJQqghZVNFzBsoZmqhg-E/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>  And thanks for the compliments on the clem, it definitely serves well 
>>> as a mostly blank and adaptable canvas.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 1:44:21 PM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:

 Collin, I really dug the photos of your Clem, lots of great ways to 
 camp on that bike! Especially love the bottle behind the seat tube.

 Would love to hear more about that Lava Beds route, if you could 
 elaborate...

 On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 9:16:24 AM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>
> I'm a big fan of the large voluminous bags that allow you to stuff all 
> sorts of things into them, rather than strapping all sorts of bags 
> everywhere; Think BagsxBird and Sackville saddle sacks. That being said, 
> I 
> find that having one or two accessory bags strapped to the handlebars 
> help 
> with organization that the large bags aren't so good at - tool bag, 
> phone/camera bag, first aid - things you want easy access to and you 
> don't 
> have to go digging for.
>
> Re: Bikepacking bags - I found that they are mostly designed to 
> operate without racks, which tend to save a big chunk of weight, and the 
> smaller bags encourage only bringing what you need. However, it is part 
> of 
> a *system *which means you will also need the super packable tent, 
> sleeping bag, cookset, etc. to make it operate well ($$)
>
> Personally, I like to run a hybrid system with a bagsxbird bag 
> attached to the handlebars, a bedrock tapeats to hold my phone, camera, 
> and 
> wallet; half-framebag; sackville bagboy bag supported by a tumbleweed 
> t-rack that I can attach mini-paniers (for longer trips) or extra bottle 
> cages for more water if needed. The perk with this setup is it allows for 
> easy removal of all bags to lighten the bike up for a day ride once you 
> get 
> to your destination and explore the park/reserve/forest you are staying 
> at. 
> An album that I occsionally update is here, if you are curious: 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/JU2uuwp957K5S5H79
>
> Just daydreaming now,
> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Collin A]

Nice, glad the hunkering was rewarded with a lovely view of the mountain! I 
was hoping to spend time this summer exploring the area, but that looks 
less likely each week...

I met up with friends at summit lake for labor day weekend, then we drove 
home.

I've been half-assing a route trying to connect Truckee and Lassen for the 
past year, but I think with the time I have now I should be able to start 
pulling that route together more seriously. It would ideally connect 
through Quincy and Downieville, so I should be able to pull resources from 
Sierra Buttes Trails to build the route. I already have a route that 
connects Sac and Truckee with mostly dirt, so once this chunk gets finished 
you could make a train trip to Klammath Falls and finish at Amtrak in 
Sacramento. Maybe ~500 miles with a boat load of climbing over 7-12 days.

Sorry for the thread drift everyone!
Collin in Sac

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 9:06:59 AM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Thanks Collin! I've noodled the very southern end of that route on a 
> three-day loop out of Chester. Spent two days and nights hunkered down at 
> Manzanita Lake due to rain and snow. The weather cleared miraculously for 
> us and we boogied down through Old Station. I'll never forget the view 
> looking back at Lassen with a fresh jacket of snow. Just love that area.
>
> Hey, your track ends at Summit Lake...did someone meet you there for 
> transport, or did you turn around and ride back to Klamath?
>
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 3:32:43 PM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>>
>> Well aren't you in luck...wrote it up about a year ago. Links to the 
>> route are at the bottom
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17d158deQiEkjr8pvIZfszoqJQqghZVNFzBsoZmqhg-E/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>>  And thanks for the compliments on the clem, it definitely serves well as 
>> a mostly blank and adaptable canvas.
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 1:44:21 PM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>>>
>>> Collin, I really dug the photos of your Clem, lots of great ways to camp 
>>> on that bike! Especially love the bottle behind the seat tube.
>>>
>>> Would love to hear more about that Lava Beds route, if you could 
>>> elaborate...
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 9:16:24 AM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:

 I'm a big fan of the large voluminous bags that allow you to stuff all 
 sorts of things into them, rather than strapping all sorts of bags 
 everywhere; Think BagsxBird and Sackville saddle sacks. That being said, I 
 find that having one or two accessory bags strapped to the handlebars help 
 with organization that the large bags aren't so good at - tool bag, 
 phone/camera bag, first aid - things you want easy access to and you don't 
 have to go digging for.

 Re: Bikepacking bags - I found that they are mostly designed to operate 
 without racks, which tend to save a big chunk of weight, and the smaller 
 bags encourage only bringing what you need. However, it is part of a 
 *system 
 *which means you will also need the super packable tent, sleeping bag, 
 cookset, etc. to make it operate well ($$)

 Personally, I like to run a hybrid system with a bagsxbird bag attached 
 to the handlebars, a bedrock tapeats to hold my phone, camera, and wallet; 
 half-framebag; sackville bagboy bag supported by a tumbleweed t-rack that 
 I 
 can attach mini-paniers (for longer trips) or extra bottle cages for more 
 water if needed. The perk with this setup is it allows for easy removal of 
 all bags to lighten the bike up for a day ride once you get to your 
 destination and explore the park/reserve/forest you are staying at. An 
 album that I occsionally update is here, if you are curious: 
 https://photos.app.goo.gl/JU2uuwp957K5S5H79

 Just daydreaming now,
 Collin in Sac

 On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 8:38:26 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Aren't the bikepacker-type of bags meant to make riding easier in 
> bush, and also to save a wee bit of weight for those who like minimalist 
> camping? Just curious; I agree that, if these aren't the reasons, I can't 
> see why you'd forgo racks and panniers. Racks and panniers are certainly 
> better for errands and they are my preferred setup because they allow 
> such 
> flexibility of volume 1 or a pair of either Sports Packers or Backrollers.
>
> Tubus racks were my choice until I started having customs made; the 
> Fly -- no longer made -- weighed 11 oz but was rated to 20 kg and several 
> of them served me well indeed.
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:11 AM Pat Smith  wrote:
>
>> I'm a big fan of the traditional 2 pannier setup. All these special 
>> bikepacking bags seem more hassle than they are worth. 
>>
>> Get a decent rack, like a Blackburn Grid (or something nicer if 
>> you're feeling fancy) and a pair of Ortlieb backrollers and 

Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Neil Doran]

Thanks Collin! I've noodled the very southern end of that route on a 
three-day loop out of Chester. Spent two days and nights hunkered down at 
Manzanita Lake due to rain and snow. The weather cleared miraculously for 
us and we boogied down through Old Station. I'll never forget the view 
looking back at Lassen with a fresh jacket of snow. Just love that area.

Hey, your track ends at Summit Lake...did someone meet you there for 
transport, or did you turn around and ride back to Klamath?

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 3:32:43 PM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>
> Well aren't you in luck...wrote it up about a year ago. Links to the route 
> are at the bottom
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17d158deQiEkjr8pvIZfszoqJQqghZVNFzBsoZmqhg-E/edit?usp=sharing
>
>  And thanks for the compliments on the clem, it definitely serves well as 
> a mostly blank and adaptable canvas.
>
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 1:44:21 PM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>>
>> Collin, I really dug the photos of your Clem, lots of great ways to camp 
>> on that bike! Especially love the bottle behind the seat tube.
>>
>> Would love to hear more about that Lava Beds route, if you could 
>> elaborate...
>>
>> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 9:16:24 AM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm a big fan of the large voluminous bags that allow you to stuff all 
>>> sorts of things into them, rather than strapping all sorts of bags 
>>> everywhere; Think BagsxBird and Sackville saddle sacks. That being said, I 
>>> find that having one or two accessory bags strapped to the handlebars help 
>>> with organization that the large bags aren't so good at - tool bag, 
>>> phone/camera bag, first aid - things you want easy access to and you don't 
>>> have to go digging for.
>>>
>>> Re: Bikepacking bags - I found that they are mostly designed to operate 
>>> without racks, which tend to save a big chunk of weight, and the smaller 
>>> bags encourage only bringing what you need. However, it is part of a 
>>> *system 
>>> *which means you will also need the super packable tent, sleeping bag, 
>>> cookset, etc. to make it operate well ($$)
>>>
>>> Personally, I like to run a hybrid system with a bagsxbird bag attached 
>>> to the handlebars, a bedrock tapeats to hold my phone, camera, and wallet; 
>>> half-framebag; sackville bagboy bag supported by a tumbleweed t-rack that I 
>>> can attach mini-paniers (for longer trips) or extra bottle cages for more 
>>> water if needed. The perk with this setup is it allows for easy removal of 
>>> all bags to lighten the bike up for a day ride once you get to your 
>>> destination and explore the park/reserve/forest you are staying at. An 
>>> album that I occsionally update is here, if you are curious: 
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/JU2uuwp957K5S5H79
>>>
>>> Just daydreaming now,
>>> Collin in Sac
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 8:38:26 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Aren't the bikepacker-type of bags meant to make riding easier in bush, 
 and also to save a wee bit of weight for those who like minimalist 
 camping? 
 Just curious; I agree that, if these aren't the reasons, I can't see why 
 you'd forgo racks and panniers. Racks and panniers are certainly better 
 for 
 errands and they are my preferred setup because they allow such 
 flexibility 
 of volume 1 or a pair of either Sports Packers or Backrollers.

 Tubus racks were my choice until I started having customs made; the Fly 
 -- no longer made -- weighed 11 oz but was rated to 20 kg and several of 
 them served me well indeed.

 On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:11 AM Pat Smith  wrote:

> I'm a big fan of the traditional 2 pannier setup. All these special 
> bikepacking bags seem more hassle than they are worth. 
>
> Get a decent rack, like a Blackburn Grid (or something nicer if you're 
> feeling fancy) and a pair of Ortlieb backrollers and you're good to go 
> for 
> a night or two. The space on top of the rack between the two panniers is 
> good for bungee cording a tarp/footprint or whatever else is 
> weatherproof. 
> What I found was getting the actual camping gear was more effort (bag, 
> tent, pad, cookware, etc.). I do like a small handlebar or saddle bag for 
> my cell/keys/wallet type of items. 
>
> Two panniers may be a bit overkill on a S24O in warm weather, but if 
> you're only on your bike for a day or so the little extra weight and 
> capacity won't kill you.
>
> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:41:08 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:
>>
>> Hello all, 
>>
>> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. 
>> Any sage advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out 
>> from 
>> the house, do one or two overnights, and ride home. 
>>
>> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a 
>> backpack or bike basket and going. 
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Bill Schairer]

Collin,

Thanks for the great write-up, photos, and maps!  I’m saving that for future 
reference.

Bill S

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Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Collin A]

Well aren't you in luck...wrote it up about a year ago. Links to the route 
are at the bottom

https://docs.google.com/document/d/17d158deQiEkjr8pvIZfszoqJQqghZVNFzBsoZmqhg-E/edit?usp=sharing

 And thanks for the compliments on the clem, it definitely serves well as a 
mostly blank and adaptable canvas.

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 1:44:21 PM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Collin, I really dug the photos of your Clem, lots of great ways to camp 
> on that bike! Especially love the bottle behind the seat tube.
>
> Would love to hear more about that Lava Beds route, if you could 
> elaborate...
>
> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 9:16:24 AM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>>
>> I'm a big fan of the large voluminous bags that allow you to stuff all 
>> sorts of things into them, rather than strapping all sorts of bags 
>> everywhere; Think BagsxBird and Sackville saddle sacks. That being said, I 
>> find that having one or two accessory bags strapped to the handlebars help 
>> with organization that the large bags aren't so good at - tool bag, 
>> phone/camera bag, first aid - things you want easy access to and you don't 
>> have to go digging for.
>>
>> Re: Bikepacking bags - I found that they are mostly designed to operate 
>> without racks, which tend to save a big chunk of weight, and the smaller 
>> bags encourage only bringing what you need. However, it is part of a *system 
>> *which means you will also need the super packable tent, sleeping bag, 
>> cookset, etc. to make it operate well ($$)
>>
>> Personally, I like to run a hybrid system with a bagsxbird bag attached 
>> to the handlebars, a bedrock tapeats to hold my phone, camera, and wallet; 
>> half-framebag; sackville bagboy bag supported by a tumbleweed t-rack that I 
>> can attach mini-paniers (for longer trips) or extra bottle cages for more 
>> water if needed. The perk with this setup is it allows for easy removal of 
>> all bags to lighten the bike up for a day ride once you get to your 
>> destination and explore the park/reserve/forest you are staying at. An 
>> album that I occsionally update is here, if you are curious: 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/JU2uuwp957K5S5H79
>>
>> Just daydreaming now,
>> Collin in Sac
>>
>> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 8:38:26 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Aren't the bikepacker-type of bags meant to make riding easier in bush, 
>>> and also to save a wee bit of weight for those who like minimalist camping? 
>>> Just curious; I agree that, if these aren't the reasons, I can't see why 
>>> you'd forgo racks and panniers. Racks and panniers are certainly better for 
>>> errands and they are my preferred setup because they allow such flexibility 
>>> of volume 1 or a pair of either Sports Packers or Backrollers.
>>>
>>> Tubus racks were my choice until I started having customs made; the Fly 
>>> -- no longer made -- weighed 11 oz but was rated to 20 kg and several of 
>>> them served me well indeed.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:11 AM Pat Smith  wrote:
>>>
 I'm a big fan of the traditional 2 pannier setup. All these special 
 bikepacking bags seem more hassle than they are worth. 

 Get a decent rack, like a Blackburn Grid (or something nicer if you're 
 feeling fancy) and a pair of Ortlieb backrollers and you're good to go for 
 a night or two. The space on top of the rack between the two panniers is 
 good for bungee cording a tarp/footprint or whatever else is weatherproof. 
 What I found was getting the actual camping gear was more effort (bag, 
 tent, pad, cookware, etc.). I do like a small handlebar or saddle bag for 
 my cell/keys/wallet type of items. 

 Two panniers may be a bit overkill on a S24O in warm weather, but if 
 you're only on your bike for a day or so the little extra weight and 
 capacity won't kill you.

 On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:41:08 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:
>
> Hello all, 
>
> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. 
> Any sage advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from 
> the house, do one or two overnights, and ride home. 
>
> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a 
> backpack or bike basket and going. 
>
> Jason 
> SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Neil Doran]

Great thread, looks like most of the options are covered!

In honing my Riv-style dirtbagging setup, I've found it is very hard to 
beat a front basket on a solid rack with a bungee net to handle overflow. 
That is the core of my system, paired with a Carsick bartender bag and a 
Swift burrito bag. That is a lot of front-end storage, which I love. I add 
an Acorn transverse saddle bag, an older one which is about 7L or so. Can 
also strap stuff outside the saddle bag if necessary.

This system is good for several nights as long as I don't need to ferry too 
much food or water.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Neil Doran]

Collin, I really dug the photos of your Clem, lots of great ways to camp on 
that bike! Especially love the bottle behind the seat tube.

Would love to hear more about that Lava Beds route, if you could 
elaborate...

On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 9:16:24 AM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>
> I'm a big fan of the large voluminous bags that allow you to stuff all 
> sorts of things into them, rather than strapping all sorts of bags 
> everywhere; Think BagsxBird and Sackville saddle sacks. That being said, I 
> find that having one or two accessory bags strapped to the handlebars help 
> with organization that the large bags aren't so good at - tool bag, 
> phone/camera bag, first aid - things you want easy access to and you don't 
> have to go digging for.
>
> Re: Bikepacking bags - I found that they are mostly designed to operate 
> without racks, which tend to save a big chunk of weight, and the smaller 
> bags encourage only bringing what you need. However, it is part of a *system 
> *which means you will also need the super packable tent, sleeping bag, 
> cookset, etc. to make it operate well ($$)
>
> Personally, I like to run a hybrid system with a bagsxbird bag attached to 
> the handlebars, a bedrock tapeats to hold my phone, camera, and wallet; 
> half-framebag; sackville bagboy bag supported by a tumbleweed t-rack that I 
> can attach mini-paniers (for longer trips) or extra bottle cages for more 
> water if needed. The perk with this setup is it allows for easy removal of 
> all bags to lighten the bike up for a day ride once you get to your 
> destination and explore the park/reserve/forest you are staying at. An 
> album that I occsionally update is here, if you are curious: 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/JU2uuwp957K5S5H79
>
> Just daydreaming now,
> Collin in Sac
>
> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 8:38:26 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Aren't the bikepacker-type of bags meant to make riding easier in bush, 
>> and also to save a wee bit of weight for those who like minimalist camping? 
>> Just curious; I agree that, if these aren't the reasons, I can't see why 
>> you'd forgo racks and panniers. Racks and panniers are certainly better for 
>> errands and they are my preferred setup because they allow such flexibility 
>> of volume 1 or a pair of either Sports Packers or Backrollers.
>>
>> Tubus racks were my choice until I started having customs made; the Fly 
>> -- no longer made -- weighed 11 oz but was rated to 20 kg and several of 
>> them served me well indeed.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:11 AM Pat Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a big fan of the traditional 2 pannier setup. All these special 
>>> bikepacking bags seem more hassle than they are worth. 
>>>
>>> Get a decent rack, like a Blackburn Grid (or something nicer if you're 
>>> feeling fancy) and a pair of Ortlieb backrollers and you're good to go for 
>>> a night or two. The space on top of the rack between the two panniers is 
>>> good for bungee cording a tarp/footprint or whatever else is weatherproof. 
>>> What I found was getting the actual camping gear was more effort (bag, 
>>> tent, pad, cookware, etc.). I do like a small handlebar or saddle bag for 
>>> my cell/keys/wallet type of items. 
>>>
>>> Two panniers may be a bit overkill on a S24O in warm weather, but if 
>>> you're only on your bike for a day or so the little extra weight and 
>>> capacity won't kill you.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:41:08 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:

 Hello all, 

 I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any 
 sage advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the 
 house, do one or two overnights, and ride home. 

 Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a 
 backpack or bike basket and going. 

 Jason 
 SF, CA
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[RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Craig Montgomery]

Here's a fun one for you Jason. From the master himself: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny81vcxTZQk 

Ian always said what you take for the weekend is the same as what you take 
around the world. The only difference is the amount of food and water. Of 
course when he said it we didn't have satellite weather like now. So you 
had to be prepared for anything and everything. Have been looking for a 
stove like that but they're pretty pricey now.

Craig in Tucson, rereading my "Into the Remote Places" 

On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 6:41:08 PM UTC-7, J L wrote:
>
> Hello all, 
>
> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any 
> sage advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the 
> house, do one or two overnights, and ride home. 
>
> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a 
> backpack or bike basket and going. 
>
> Jason 
> SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Drw]

Here’s me for 2 nights. Tent in frame bag, food in front, everything else on 
the back. Also have James’ stem there. 

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[RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[ted]

Ahh, slush. Grew up with it, don’t miss it.

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[RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Max S]

That’s an amazing adventure and write-up / photo journal, Patrick! 

- Max “tripping vicariously while recounting that Vonnegut (?) thing about 6 
seasons, for April is a mess onto itself” in A2 

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[RBW] Re: Camping bikes

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey Jason! Here's my prototype Gus Boots last year: 
https://deaconpatrick.org/three-days-three-states-three-countries-by-beorn-the-bikepacking-wonder

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 7:41:08 PM UTC-6, J L wrote:
>
> Hello all, 
>
> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any 
> sage advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the 
> house, do one or two overnights, and ride home. 
>
> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a 
> backpack or bike basket and going. 
>
> Jason 
> SF, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[J L]

This thread is super helpful everyone. Keep the ideas and experiences coming if 
you have them.

Jason

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[RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Jason Fuller]

There is a huge wealth of information available on places like 
bikepacking.com - there are a lot of fancy setups, but one of the 
foundation principles of bike packing / touring is that ingenuity and 
creativity is a great replacement for money. Also "bikepacking" is 
typically considered to be on rougher terrain than "touring", hence most 
"bikepacking" bags are designed to be soft mounted. This is a much stronger 
solution than racks are for sustained vibration and shock loads. 

But for typical 1-3 night trips, a rear pannier rack with roomy panniers, a 
tent strapped to the top deck of the rack, and a bag of some kind lashed to 
your handlebars is perfect IMO.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Collin A]

I'm a big fan of the large voluminous bags that allow you to stuff all 
sorts of things into them, rather than strapping all sorts of bags 
everywhere; Think BagsxBird and Sackville saddle sacks. That being said, I 
find that having one or two accessory bags strapped to the handlebars help 
with organization that the large bags aren't so good at - tool bag, 
phone/camera bag, first aid - things you want easy access to and you don't 
have to go digging for.

Re: Bikepacking bags - I found that they are mostly designed to operate 
without racks, which tend to save a big chunk of weight, and the smaller 
bags encourage only bringing what you need. However, it is part of a *system 
*which means you will also need the super packable tent, sleeping bag, 
cookset, etc. to make it operate well ($$)

Personally, I like to run a hybrid system with a bagsxbird bag attached to 
the handlebars, a bedrock tapeats to hold my phone, camera, and wallet; 
half-framebag; sackville bagboy bag supported by a tumbleweed t-rack that I 
can attach mini-paniers (for longer trips) or extra bottle cages for more 
water if needed. The perk with this setup is it allows for easy removal of 
all bags to lighten the bike up for a day ride once you get to your 
destination and explore the park/reserve/forest you are staying at. An 
album that I occsionally update is here, if you are 
curious: https://photos.app.goo.gl/JU2uuwp957K5S5H79

Just daydreaming now,
Collin in Sac

On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 8:38:26 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Aren't the bikepacker-type of bags meant to make riding easier in bush, 
> and also to save a wee bit of weight for those who like minimalist camping? 
> Just curious; I agree that, if these aren't the reasons, I can't see why 
> you'd forgo racks and panniers. Racks and panniers are certainly better for 
> errands and they are my preferred setup because they allow such flexibility 
> of volume 1 or a pair of either Sports Packers or Backrollers.
>
> Tubus racks were my choice until I started having customs made; the Fly -- 
> no longer made -- weighed 11 oz but was rated to 20 kg and several of them 
> served me well indeed.
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:11 AM Pat Smith > 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm a big fan of the traditional 2 pannier setup. All these special 
>> bikepacking bags seem more hassle than they are worth. 
>>
>> Get a decent rack, like a Blackburn Grid (or something nicer if you're 
>> feeling fancy) and a pair of Ortlieb backrollers and you're good to go for 
>> a night or two. The space on top of the rack between the two panniers is 
>> good for bungee cording a tarp/footprint or whatever else is weatherproof. 
>> What I found was getting the actual camping gear was more effort (bag, 
>> tent, pad, cookware, etc.). I do like a small handlebar or saddle bag for 
>> my cell/keys/wallet type of items. 
>>
>> Two panniers may be a bit overkill on a S24O in warm weather, but if 
>> you're only on your bike for a day or so the little extra weight and 
>> capacity won't kill you.
>>
>> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:41:08 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all, 
>>>
>>> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any 
>>> sage advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the 
>>> house, do one or two overnights, and ride home. 
>>>
>>> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a 
>>> backpack or bike basket and going. 
>>>
>>> Jason 
>>> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Curtis McKenzie]

James,

Needed to add good friends.  But not always.  A solo overnight is good for
the sole.

Curtis

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 9:01 AM James / Analog Cycles 
wrote:

> Should have added:  Low gears for exploring, wide tires for taking the
> road less traveled, fenders if it's gross out, good tool kit, good first
> aid kit.
>
> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 12:00:19 PM UTC-4, James / Analog Cycles
> wrote:
>>
>> I find it's pretty easy (ok really easy) to overpack panniers.  I like a
>> Carradice camper sized saddle bag, 3 water bottles cages, one of which can
>> handle a 48oz nalgene if it's dry out or I won't be camping near a creek,
>> and a basket up front with a decent sized roll top bag.  Plenty of space
>> for luxury minimalist camping.  Not an oxymoron, if you pack well.
>>
>> -James / Analog Cycles
>>
>> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:41:08 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any
>>> sage advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the
>>> house, do one or two overnights, and ride home.
>>>
>>> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a
>>> backpack or bike basket and going.
>>>
>>> Jason
>>> SF, CA
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[RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[James / Analog Cycles]

Should have added:  Low gears for exploring, wide tires for taking the road 
less traveled, fenders if it's gross out, good tool kit, good first aid 
kit.  

On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 12:00:19 PM UTC-4, James / Analog Cycles wrote:
>
> I find it's pretty easy (ok really easy) to overpack panniers.  I like a 
> Carradice camper sized saddle bag, 3 water bottles cages, one of which can 
> handle a 48oz nalgene if it's dry out or I won't be camping near a creek, 
> and a basket up front with a decent sized roll top bag.  Plenty of space 
> for luxury minimalist camping.  Not an oxymoron, if you pack well.  
>
> -James / Analog Cycles
>
> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:41:08 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:
>>
>> Hello all, 
>>
>> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any 
>> sage advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the 
>> house, do one or two overnights, and ride home. 
>>
>> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a 
>> backpack or bike basket and going. 
>>
>> Jason 
>> SF, CA
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Ginz]

For an over-nighter, I usually do two rear panniers and something in the 
front -- usually a basket or I strap a something to the bars.  

It's nice to have more capacity than you need because you don't have to be 
so fussy with packing.  Throw stuff in the bike and go!  If packing is too 
tedious for one night, I tend to feel exhausted before I even leave the 
house.  


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[RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[James / Analog Cycles]

I find it's pretty easy (ok really easy) to overpack panniers.  I like a 
Carradice camper sized saddle bag, 3 water bottles cages, one of which can 
handle a 48oz nalgene if it's dry out or I won't be camping near a creek, 
and a basket up front with a decent sized roll top bag.  Plenty of space 
for luxury minimalist camping.  Not an oxymoron, if you pack well.  

-James / Analog Cycles

On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:41:08 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:
>
> Hello all, 
>
> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any 
> sage advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the 
> house, do one or two overnights, and ride home. 
>
> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a 
> backpack or bike basket and going. 
>
> Jason 
> SF, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Patrick Moore]

Aren't the bikepacker-type of bags meant to make riding easier in bush, and
also to save a wee bit of weight for those who like minimalist camping?
Just curious; I agree that, if these aren't the reasons, I can't see why
you'd forgo racks and panniers. Racks and panniers are certainly better for
errands and they are my preferred setup because they allow such flexibility
of volume 1 or a pair of either Sports Packers or Backrollers.

Tubus racks were my choice until I started having customs made; the Fly --
no longer made -- weighed 11 oz but was rated to 20 kg and several of them
served me well indeed.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:11 AM Pat Smith  wrote:

> I'm a big fan of the traditional 2 pannier setup. All these special
> bikepacking bags seem more hassle than they are worth.
>
> Get a decent rack, like a Blackburn Grid (or something nicer if you're
> feeling fancy) and a pair of Ortlieb backrollers and you're good to go for
> a night or two. The space on top of the rack between the two panniers is
> good for bungee cording a tarp/footprint or whatever else is weatherproof.
> What I found was getting the actual camping gear was more effort (bag,
> tent, pad, cookware, etc.). I do like a small handlebar or saddle bag for
> my cell/keys/wallet type of items.
>
> Two panniers may be a bit overkill on a S24O in warm weather, but if
> you're only on your bike for a day or so the little extra weight and
> capacity won't kill you.
>
> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:41:08 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any
>> sage advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the
>> house, do one or two overnights, and ride home.
>>
>> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a
>> backpack or bike basket and going.
>>
>> Jason
>> SF, CA
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[RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Pat Smith]

I'm a big fan of the traditional 2 pannier setup. All these special 
bikepacking bags seem more hassle than they are worth. 

Get a decent rack, like a Blackburn Grid (or something nicer if you're 
feeling fancy) and a pair of Ortlieb backrollers and you're good to go for 
a night or two. The space on top of the rack between the two panniers is 
good for bungee cording a tarp/footprint or whatever else is weatherproof. 
What I found was getting the actual camping gear was more effort (bag, 
tent, pad, cookware, etc.). I do like a small handlebar or saddle bag for 
my cell/keys/wallet type of items. 

Two panniers may be a bit overkill on a S24O in warm weather, but if you're 
only on your bike for a day or so the little extra weight and capacity 
won't kill you.

On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:41:08 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:
>
> Hello all, 
>
> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any 
> sage advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the 
> house, do one or two overnights, and ride home. 
>
> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a 
> backpack or bike basket and going. 
>
> Jason 
> SF, CA

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