Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Patrick Moore]

The Carradice canvas is still pretty thick and stiff, at least those I've
recently bought (though, warning, that of the Junior I just received is not
as nice as that of the Nelson LF and Camper LF I got earlier this year or
late last year. But still, using the Jr and the SQR, even a big lock won't
make it sag as much as the more supple fabric of the Cartwright bags.

And, you can always insert a stiffener.

But there are always the Bagman support and the "Classic" support, which
seems even better than the Bagman, though it requires more vertical room
than the SQR, *and* saddle loops:
https://www.carradice.co.uk/products/saddle-fixing-systems/carradice-classic-saddlebag-rack
.

I've have preferred one of these if I used saddle with the loops.
[image: image.png]
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On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 1:06 PM Daniel D.  wrote:

> Thanks for keeping the ideas coming.  Initially I discounted the SQR
> because it doesn't support the bottom of the bag. With the examples shown
> and since the heaviest thing I'll carry is a u-lock, rethinking...
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[RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Daniel D.]

Thanks for keeping the ideas coming.  Initially I discounted the SQR 
because it doesn't support the bottom of the bag. With the examples shown 
and since the heaviest thing I'll carry is a u-lock, rethinking...

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[RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Nick Payne]

My wife is only 5'2" and uses a lowsaddle longflap with the SQR mount for 
both commuting and touring. That works well without any rack needed to 
support it underneath. I cut a fairly stiff piece of plastic to fit in the 
bottom of the bag, which prevents it from sagging onto the mudguard:




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[RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[John Hawrylak]

Dan

My Saddle Height is 70cm and I have a 21" (C-T) 1989 Schwinn Voyaguer 
(straight TT) & I use a 1970's Schwinn approved Model 00-015, an English 
saddlebag, much like a large Carradice.  I have 9-1/2" clearance from the 
saddle loops to the top of the rear fender.  However there is more room 
than 9.5" where the bag hangs the most, between the top of fender towards 
the seatpost. .

The 00-015 dimensions are 12" wide, 7" Height, 7-1/2" deep (see a 73 
Schwinn Catalog, pg 29) with 2 side pockets.  It does not sit level so the 
bag distance is something like SQRT(7.5^2 + 7^2) or 10.2".  The bottom 
droops over the fender by about 1/2", but forward of the top of the fender.

You might be able to relate this to 51cm Roadini and your Carradice bag.  
Hope this helps

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


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Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Patrick Moore]

1 more: The SQR system plus the Junior saddlebag might be your ticket.

On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 4:39 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Sheesh. The Super C SQR Slim is rated at 16 litres; Saddlesack Med at 18.6
> unbulged, 23 bulged; Nelson LF 15 expanding to 18; Camper LF 24 -- they
> don't compare folded to unfolded flap. Simply put and practically speaking,
> the Super C Slim carries as much as the Nelson LF.
>
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 4:33 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Daniel: Have you considered the Carradice SQR system and, in particular,
>> the Super C SQR Slim (Pat. Ped., TM, MR, all rights reserved, etc etc etc)?
>>
>> The SQR system is a QR mounting bracket that clamps to the seatpost and
>> holds the bag considerably higher than it would be if simply strapped to
>> saddlebag loops, plus a frame to which the saddlebag straps and that slips
>> into grooves in the mounting bracket, for quick on and off operation. The
>> "Super C SQR Slim" adds to this mounting system a 16 litre saddlebag
>> designed to minimize the distance required between saddle and tire.
>>
>> My Matthews custom has a frame that, in Road terms is the equivalent of
>> about a 58 cm c-c frame, but the 700C X 60 mm wheels are almost 30" tall,
>> and anything besides a tiny wedge strapped to the saddle will drag on the
>> tire. With the SQR system I can easily accommodate a Junior and even a
>> Nelson if I am careful about loading; but the Super C SQR Slim gives me
>> more than Nelson capacity and no danger of tire contact at all.
>>
>> For comparison, the Saddlesack Medium, sans bulges, carries 18.6 litres.
>> The Super C etc has a volume between that of the Nelson LF and that of the
>> Camper LF -- pretty big.
>>
>> Super C blah blah blah as mounted on my Matthews.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 3:47 PM Daniel D.  wrote:
>>
>>> I considered the ruthworks wedge preorder that just closed. Decided I
>>> wanted something with the capacity for my u-lock.  And something bigger
>>> from Ely is out of my price range.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Patrick Moore]

Sheesh. The Super C SQR Slim is rated at 16 litres; Saddlesack Med at 18.6
unbulged, 23 bulged; Nelson LF 15 expanding to 18; Camper LF 24 -- they
don't compare folded to unfolded flap. Simply put and practically speaking,
the Super C Slim carries as much as the Nelson LF.

On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 4:33 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Daniel: Have you considered the Carradice SQR system and, in particular,
> the Super C SQR Slim (Pat. Ped., TM, MR, all rights reserved, etc etc etc)?
>
> The SQR system is a QR mounting bracket that clamps to the seatpost and
> holds the bag considerably higher than it would be if simply strapped to
> saddlebag loops, plus a frame to which the saddlebag straps and that slips
> into grooves in the mounting bracket, for quick on and off operation. The
> "Super C SQR Slim" adds to this mounting system a 16 litre saddlebag
> designed to minimize the distance required between saddle and tire.
>
> My Matthews custom has a frame that, in Road terms is the equivalent of
> about a 58 cm c-c frame, but the 700C X 60 mm wheels are almost 30" tall,
> and anything besides a tiny wedge strapped to the saddle will drag on the
> tire. With the SQR system I can easily accommodate a Junior and even a
> Nelson if I am careful about loading; but the Super C SQR Slim gives me
> more than Nelson capacity and no danger of tire contact at all.
>
> For comparison, the Saddlesack Medium, sans bulges, carries 18.6 litres.
> The Super C etc has a volume between that of the Nelson LF and that of the
> Camper LF -- pretty big.
>
> Super C blah blah blah as mounted on my Matthews.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 3:47 PM Daniel D.  wrote:
>
>> I considered the ruthworks wedge preorder that just closed. Decided I
>> wanted something with the capacity for my u-lock.  And something bigger
>> from Ely is out of my price range.
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[RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Daniel D.]

I considered the ruthworks wedge preorder that just closed. Decided I wanted 
something with the capacity for my u-lock.  And something bigger from Ely is 
out of my price range.

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[RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Howard Ramsay]

Daniel should you not find that perfect bag, have you considered a custom 
handmade-to-order bag from Ely Rodriguez?  https://www.ruthworkssf.com/  
He is away until after Thanksgiving, giving you time to measure dimensions 
and decide on materials and features you desire. From my personal 
experience his work is impeccable. Hope this helps.
 

On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 2:24:03 PM UTC-5, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> Decided I want a little bigger bag than just a seat pack.  Leaning towards 
> a Carradice Pendle, Barley, etc..  Aesthetically the bikepacker bags don't 
> do it for me.  
>
> The question is fit on a smaller frame.  Am I stuck using a bagman 
> support?  Is there enough clearance to use without a support?
>
> Pic tape measure head is in the saddle bag loop
>
>
> 
>
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[RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Joe Bernard]

Thanks, Ash! It doesn't beat a bag sitting low on a rack, but I popped it on my 
Seven to go pick up a package today, easy peasy. I like it! 

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[RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Ash]

Joe,  that's a sweet setup!  Quite practical.  Thanks for sharing the 
picture.





On Wednesday, 7 November 2018 14:18:12 UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Here's another approach, it's a Carradice rack called Classic. It sits up 
> kinda high so you gotta figure out how you're getting your leg over, but I 
> adapted to it pretty quickly. It pops on and off quickly which I really 
> like, the bag and rack stay together. 
>
> On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 10:37:49 AM UTC-8, Daniel D. wrote: 
> > thanks for the info, looks like a nice set up 
> > 
> > On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 6:14:20 PM UTC-7, Ed Carolipio wrote: 
> > 
> > I have a 51cm Roadini and have struggled with this question. I have 
> 78.5cm PBH with a 68cm saddle height. The Banana Sack works great and 
> clears the rear tire easily, but smallish for a packrat like me and I'm 
> reluctant to carry anything on myself when riding. The Saddlesack Small 
> fulfilled my packrat tendencies much better and worked okay until I carried 
> an Abus folding lock which created a saggy spot and the bag rubbed on the 
> rear tire. Another 1.5cm of seatpost or maybe tying the bag up with an 
> Irish strap would have avoided the problem. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I didn't like the Irish strap solution so I got a Carradice Barley and 
> tried it without the rack but had similar issues with the Saddlesack Small, 
> plus the opening was at a weird angle. I broke down and got the Carradice 
> bagman support. That setup - Barley + bagman - is what I've got on the bike 
> and I really like it. 
> > 
> > 
> > BTW for the front, I got a Carradice Zipped Roll and am using it as a 
> handlebar bag. It's kind of wide as a handlebar bag: my bars are 44cm Nitto 
> Noodles (Hiway Ones in the photo), and likely won't work with anything 
> narrower. 
> > 
> > 
> > --Ed C. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 12:24:03 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote: 
> > Decided I want a little bigger bag than just a seat pack.  Leaning 
> towards a Carradice Pendle, Barley, etc..  Aesthetically the bikepacker 
> bags don't do it for me.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The question is fit on a smaller frame.  Am I stuck using a bagman 
> support?  Is there enough clearance to use without a support? 
> > 
> > 
> > Pic tape measure head is in the saddle bag loop 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Lum Gim Fong]

I uh no. Racks add weight.
Might be better at this point in getting one of those Sackville saddle bags 
(not banana) that are wide and flat.

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[RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Joe Bernard]

Daniel, Salsa calls the bike "55cm", but it's a 51cm seattube, 700c wheels, 
same as your Roadini. 

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[RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Daniel D.]

Thanks for another option.  What size is the bike?  Not very much room even 
with that tall support.  Aesthetically I like the bagman sport better...

On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 2:18:12 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Here's another approach, it's a Carradice rack called Classic. It sits up 
> kinda high so you gotta figure out how you're getting your leg over, but I 
> adapted to it pretty quickly. It pops on and off quickly which I really 
> like, the bag and rack stay together. 
>
> On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 10:37:49 AM UTC-8, Daniel D. wrote: 
> > thanks for the info, looks like a nice set up 
> > 
> > On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 6:14:20 PM UTC-7, Ed Carolipio wrote: 
> > 
> > I have a 51cm Roadini and have struggled with this question. I have 
> 78.5cm PBH with a 68cm saddle height. The Banana Sack works great and 
> clears the rear tire easily, but smallish for a packrat like me and I'm 
> reluctant to carry anything on myself when riding. The Saddlesack Small 
> fulfilled my packrat tendencies much better and worked okay until I carried 
> an Abus folding lock which created a saggy spot and the bag rubbed on the 
> rear tire. Another 1.5cm of seatpost or maybe tying the bag up with an 
> Irish strap would have avoided the problem. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I didn't like the Irish strap solution so I got a Carradice Barley and 
> tried it without the rack but had similar issues with the Saddlesack Small, 
> plus the opening was at a weird angle. I broke down and got the Carradice 
> bagman support. That setup - Barley + bagman - is what I've got on the bike 
> and I really like it. 
> > 
> > 
> > BTW for the front, I got a Carradice Zipped Roll and am using it as a 
> handlebar bag. It's kind of wide as a handlebar bag: my bars are 44cm Nitto 
> Noodles (Hiway Ones in the photo), and likely won't work with anything 
> narrower. 
> > 
> > 
> > --Ed C. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 12:24:03 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote: 
> > Decided I want a little bigger bag than just a seat pack.  Leaning 
> towards a Carradice Pendle, Barley, etc..  Aesthetically the bikepacker 
> bags don't do it for me.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The question is fit on a smaller frame.  Am I stuck using a bagman 
> support?  Is there enough clearance to use without a support? 
> > 
> > 
> > Pic tape measure head is in the saddle bag loop 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Patrick Moore]

I wanted a QR transverse saddlebag for my Matthews, which has very tall,
29.6" tires (622 X 60). Even though the frame is the equivalent in road
frame size-ology of a 58 to 60, even a Nelson dragged on the rear tire with
any load. A Junior would work, but that is rather small.

The solution was the Super C Slim made for the SQR system. About as much as
the Nelson, but in a design that requires a far small distance between
saddle and tire. (Tyre.) IIRC, the Super C Slim takes up about as much
vertical room as the Junior.

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 3:18 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Here's another approach, it's a Carradice rack called Classic. It sits up
> kinda high so you gotta figure out how you're getting your leg over, but I
> adapted to it pretty quickly. It pops on and off quickly which I really
> like, the bag and rack stay together.
>
> On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 10:37:49 AM UTC-8, Daniel D. wrote:
> > thanks for the info, looks like a nice set up
> >
> > On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 6:14:20 PM UTC-7, Ed Carolipio wrote:
> >
> > I have a 51cm Roadini and have struggled with this question. I have
> 78.5cm PBH with a 68cm saddle height. The Banana Sack works great and
> clears the rear tire easily, but smallish for a packrat like me and I'm
> reluctant to carry anything on myself when riding. The Saddlesack Small
> fulfilled my packrat tendencies much better and worked okay until I carried
> an Abus folding lock which created a saggy spot and the bag rubbed on the
> rear tire. Another 1.5cm of seatpost or maybe tying the bag up with an
> Irish strap would have avoided the problem.
> >
> >
> >
> > I didn't like the Irish strap solution so I got a Carradice Barley and
> tried it without the rack but had similar issues with the Saddlesack Small,
> plus the opening was at a weird angle. I broke down and got the Carradice
> bagman support. That setup - Barley + bagman - is what I've got on the bike
> and I really like it.
> >
> >
> > BTW for the front, I got a Carradice Zipped Roll and am using it as a
> handlebar bag. It's kind of wide as a handlebar bag: my bars are 44cm Nitto
> Noodles (Hiway Ones in the photo), and likely won't work with anything
> narrower.
> >
> >
> > --Ed C.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 12:24:03 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
> > Decided I want a little bigger bag than just a seat pack.  Leaning
> towards a Carradice Pendle, Barley, etc..  Aesthetically the bikepacker
> bags don't do it for me.
> >
> >
> >
> > The question is fit on a smaller frame.  Am I stuck using a bagman
> support?  Is there enough clearance to use without a support?
> >
> >
> > Pic tape measure head is in the saddle bag loop
>
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[RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Daniel D.]

thanks for the info, looks like a nice set up

On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 6:14:20 PM UTC-7, Ed Carolipio wrote:
>
> I have a 51cm Roadini and have struggled with this question. I have 78.5cm 
> PBH with a 68cm saddle height. The Banana Sack works great and clears the 
> rear tire easily, but smallish for a packrat like me and I'm reluctant to 
> carry anything on myself when riding. The Saddlesack Small fulfilled my 
> packrat tendencies much better and worked okay until I carried an Abus 
> folding lock which created a saggy spot and the bag rubbed on the rear 
> tire. Another 1.5cm of seatpost or maybe tying the bag up with an Irish 
> strap would have avoided the problem.
>
> I didn't like the Irish strap solution so I got a Carradice Barley and 
> tried it without the rack but had similar issues with the Saddlesack Small, 
> plus the opening was at a weird angle. I broke down and got the Carradice 
> bagman support. That setup - Barley + bagman - is what I've got on the bike 
> and I really like it.
>
> BTW for the front, I got a Carradice Zipped Roll and am using it as a 
> handlebar bag. It's kind of wide as a handlebar bag: my bars are 44cm Nitto 
> Noodles (Hiway Ones in the photo), and likely won't work with anything 
> narrower.
>
> --Ed C.
>
> [image: IMG_6581.jpg]
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 12:24:03 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>>
>> Decided I want a little bigger bag than just a seat pack.  Leaning 
>> towards a Carradice Pendle, Barley, etc..  Aesthetically the bikepacker 
>> bags don't do it for me.  
>>
>> The question is fit on a smaller frame.  Am I stuck using a bagman 
>> support?  Is there enough clearance to use without a support?
>>
>> Pic tape measure head is in the saddle bag loop
>>
>>
>> 
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>> 
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>

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[RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Daniel D.]

Thanks for the info. 
Looked for the saddlesack small couldn't find it.  Turns out the Sackville 
BagBoy SaddleSack is the replacement for the small.  Luckily clicked on it, 
name made me think it was just one of their oddball bags.

Not interested in the capacity of the  NLL, Time to start narrowing down 
the list

Daniel


On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 12:43:32 PM UTC-7, ttoshi wrote:
For a Roadini-style bike the Riv banana sack is a roomy bag that might 
suffice.  If you want to go larger, then the Riv Saddle sack small should 
fit.  The larger Acorn bags (if you can grab them when they are put on 
sale) also follow a thin form factor that is good for us (height-challenged 
folk).

Toshi

On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 12:47:28 PM UTC-7, Ginz wrote:

> A Barley will fit there without a support. I recommend the “Audax” version 
> of the Barley. Same size, better features. 
>
> A Nelson Lowsaddle Longflap might fit, might not. 
>

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