Re: [RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[John Rinker]

No worries, Rich, and thanks for the reply. My 2005 Atlantis has the 
plastic film on the chainstay, and it looks just great after so many years. 
I'm thinking of unwrapping the tape from my Hunq stay, but your cautionary 
tale has left me...um...cautious. I'm now wondering how this might be 
accomplished without peeling off the paint (yikes!). 

Cheers,
John

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 2:02:58 AM UTC+9 RichS wrote:

> Hello John:
>
> Apologies if my reply was confusing. I was referring to the 3M Paint 
> Protection Film which Paul suggested. I haven't used it but it sounds like 
> a good alternative - especially if you want to remove it at a later date. 
> Hope that helps.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 4:47 AM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Hey Rich,
>>
>> Not sure if you were referring to other protectors when you mentioned 
>> 'less invasive' or other methods of removing the cloth wrap. If the latter, 
>> where were these mentioned. May be time to remove mine.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:24:27 AM UTC+9 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Or, avoid the guesswork and use one of the other less invasive methods 
>>> recommended.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:04 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>>
 Wow thanks for the heads up about removing paint! I wonder if a heat 
 gun on low would help prevent that…


 On Feb 8, 2022, at 8:02 AM, RichS  wrote:

 Richard,

 As Ben noted, cloth and twine is "bulletproof" chain stay protection. 
 One caveat though: if you ever decide to remove it, the adhesive quality 
 of 
 cloth hbar tape has the ability to remove paint (ask me how I know!). Riv 
 sells these chain stay protectors - currently out of stock - and other 
 retailers also sell them in colors and I believe leather as well. They're 
 tricky to install. I've only applied the clear versions. Proceed slowly 
 lest you trap air bubbles between the stay and the protector. Clean the 
 chain stay thoroughly; a pin is somewhat helpful to remove any bubbles; 
 ideally, avoid them if you can. 

 https://www.rivbike.com/products/chainstay-protector

 Best,
 Rich in ATL  

 On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 4:13:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> 3M is what I would do, I believe that's the product Joe Bell wrapped 
> on my chainstay. I can't verify that this is a real problem but I always 
> get queazy when I see steel and paint covered under all that cloth and 
> twine, I don't know what's happening under there. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 12:35:00 PM UTC-8 Paul Choi wrote:
>
>> 3m paint protection film works well. You can remove it anytime. 
>>
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 7:56:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see 
>>> lots of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems 
>>> like it 
>>> wold not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[R Shannon]

Hello John:

Apologies if my reply was confusing. I was referring to the 3M Paint
Protection Film which Paul suggested. I haven't used it but it sounds like
a good alternative - especially if you want to remove it at a later date.
Hope that helps.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 4:47 AM John Rinker  wrote:

> Hey Rich,
>
> Not sure if you were referring to other protectors when you mentioned
> 'less invasive' or other methods of removing the cloth wrap. If the latter,
> where were these mentioned. May be time to remove mine.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:24:27 AM UTC+9 RichS wrote:
>
>> Or, avoid the guesswork and use one of the other less invasive methods
>> recommended.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:04 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>
>>> Wow thanks for the heads up about removing paint! I wonder if a heat gun
>>> on low would help prevent that…
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 8:02 AM, RichS  wrote:
>>>
>>> Richard,
>>>
>>> As Ben noted, cloth and twine is "bulletproof" chain stay protection.
>>> One caveat though: if you ever decide to remove it, the adhesive quality of
>>> cloth hbar tape has the ability to remove paint (ask me how I know!). Riv
>>> sells these chain stay protectors - currently out of stock - and other
>>> retailers also sell them in colors and I believe leather as well. They're
>>> tricky to install. I've only applied the clear versions. Proceed slowly
>>> lest you trap air bubbles between the stay and the protector. Clean the
>>> chain stay thoroughly; a pin is somewhat helpful to remove any bubbles;
>>> ideally, avoid them if you can.
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/chainstay-protector
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 4:13:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 3M is what I would do, I believe that's the product Joe Bell wrapped on
 my chainstay. I can't verify that this is a real problem but I always get
 queazy when I see steel and paint covered under all that cloth and twine, I
 don't know what's happening under there.

 Joe Bernard

 On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 12:35:00 PM UTC-8 Paul Choi wrote:

> 3m paint protection film works well. You can remove it anytime.
>
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 7:56:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see
>> lots of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like 
>> it
>> wold not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[John Rinker]

Hey Rich,

Not sure if you were referring to other protectors when you mentioned 'less 
invasive' or other methods of removing the cloth wrap. If the latter, where 
were these mentioned. May be time to remove mine.

Cheers,
John

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:24:27 AM UTC+9 RichS wrote:

> Or, avoid the guesswork and use one of the other less invasive methods 
> recommended.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:04 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>
>> Wow thanks for the heads up about removing paint! I wonder if a heat gun 
>> on low would help prevent that…
>>
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 8:02 AM, RichS  wrote:
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>> As Ben noted, cloth and twine is "bulletproof" chain stay protection. One 
>> caveat though: if you ever decide to remove it, the adhesive quality of 
>> cloth hbar tape has the ability to remove paint (ask me how I know!). Riv 
>> sells these chain stay protectors - currently out of stock - and other 
>> retailers also sell them in colors and I believe leather as well. They're 
>> tricky to install. I've only applied the clear versions. Proceed slowly 
>> lest you trap air bubbles between the stay and the protector. Clean the 
>> chain stay thoroughly; a pin is somewhat helpful to remove any bubbles; 
>> ideally, avoid them if you can. 
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/chainstay-protector
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL  
>>
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 4:13:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> 3M is what I would do, I believe that's the product Joe Bell wrapped on 
>>> my chainstay. I can't verify that this is a real problem but I always get 
>>> queazy when I see steel and paint covered under all that cloth and twine, I 
>>> don't know what's happening under there. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 12:35:00 PM UTC-8 Paul Choi wrote:
>>>
 3m paint protection film works well. You can remove it anytime. 

 On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 7:56:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see 
> lots of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like 
> it 
> wold not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[Nick Payne]

My experience is that the clear stick-on plastic chainstay protection lasts 
for decades without visible deterioration. My late 90s Riv custom came with 
one installed, and it's still in place without visible damage - in fact 
it's very hard to see unless you look closely. And on my Bleriot, as well 
as chainstay protection, I also fitted some protection along the top tube, 
because the bare brake cable runs at about 2 o'clock along there and my leg 
presses it into the tube whenever I stop at an intersection. So I protected 
the paintwork shortly after I started riding the bike (about 15 years ago) 
by sticking some transparent plastic along the top tube where the cable 
would rub, and it similarly is pretty much invisible unless I point it out 
to people.

I didn't buy the stick-on frame protector kits that bike shops sell. I went 
to a motorbike shop and bought several sheets of the 3M film intended for 
paint protection (each sheet was about 12" x 15") and cut the sizes and 
shapes I wanted from that. I still have a couple of the sheets left, 
waiting to be used.

Nick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[Richard Rose]

My Clem came with a single layer of clear material protection. Hard to see but 
it is there. Seems inadequate though? That is a long chain & I imagine it might 
sag quite a bit at times. In addition the cable running below the stay nearly 
hugs the stay. On other bikes I have experience paint scuffing from similarly 
close cables. Don’t get me wrong - I know bikes that get ridden will not remain 
perfect. But an extra layer of clear protection cannot hurt.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 8, 2022, at 2:22 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> 
> You can, or could, get NOS steel chainstay protectors a few years ago on 
> eBay. I found a couple from a US seller.
> 
> The closest thing I found just now on a quick search is this, UK and aluminum:
> 
> https://www.velobitz.co.uk/chainstay-protectors/velobitz-vintage-retro-plain-aluminium-chainstay-protector-self-adhesive
> 
> Long ago (I was 16 or so) when a heavy 1/8" chain on a smallish ring and cogs 
> with lightly sprung derailleur cage would bounce on the stay over bumps, I 
> cut a "silver" cs protector out of the "tinned" inside of a tin can, with 
> tabs on each end to bolt it under the stay,  It looked good (or so I thought 
> then) and worked well.
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 12:08 PM lconley  wrote:
>> My Rivendell Custom came with extensive clear film over the chain stay. It 
>> is basically invisible, didn't know it was there until I was working on it 
>> real close up one day and saw the edge lines. Most of my other Rivendells 
>> came with a single clear piece of film like what they sell. I tried to go 
>> old school and get my stays chrome plated but that was a no-go with Grant.
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[RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[Ryan]

Oops...the fingernail test reveals that my 2001 Road and 2016 Mixte do have 
that clear protector you and Laing are talking about. They are Joe Bell 
paint jobs The allrounder is um...rather dusty, so I'm not going there. 
That was a Waterford which may or may not have the clear wrap...there is 
clear wrap over the "handcrafted in Waterford Wisconsin" on the non-drive 
side chainstay

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:56:33 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Ryan,
>
> My experience is just like Laing's, the whole chainstay is wrapped and I 
> didn't notice for months. 
>
> What I believe Grant means by "slap guard" is those old timey braze-ons 
> touring bikes used to have that you would stretch a piece of leather 
> between. He's not a stickler for paint staying pretty and probably thinks 
> the clear stuff isn't necessary, either.*
>
> *In fact he'd probably be appalled at how pristine my custom still is 
> after a year and a half. I don't like scratches! 😬
>
> Joe Bernard  
>
> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 10:23:28 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>
>> It's interesting that on Riv's Custom page they offer a chainstay slap 
>> guard for a $50.00 upcharge...but don't think it's really required.
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/custom-framesets 
>>
>> Looked at my 3 Rivendells...and nope, nothing to see there. I don't 
>> recall this option ever coming up on my last two customs...and I'm not 
>> fussing about it too much.
>>
>> So, Joe, did you have to request the 3M wrapping specifically? 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:13:36 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> 3M is what I would do, I believe that's the product Joe Bell wrapped on 
>>> my chainstay. I can't verify that this is a real problem but I always get 
>>> queazy when I see steel and paint covered under all that cloth and twine, I 
>>> don't know what's happening under there. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 12:35:00 PM UTC-8 Paul Choi wrote:
>>>
 3m paint protection film works well. You can remove it anytime. 

 On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 7:56:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see 
> lots of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like 
> it 
> wold not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?



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[RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[Joe Bernard]

Ryan,

My experience is just like Laing's, the whole chainstay is wrapped and I 
didn't notice for months. 

What I believe Grant means by "slap guard" is those old timey braze-ons 
touring bikes used to have that you would stretch a piece of leather 
between. He's not a stickler for paint staying pretty and probably thinks 
the clear stuff isn't necessary, either.*

*In fact he'd probably be appalled at how pristine my custom still is after 
a year and a half. I don't like scratches! 😬

Joe Bernard  

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 10:23:28 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> It's interesting that on Riv's Custom page they offer a chainstay slap 
> guard for a $50.00 upcharge...but don't think it's really required.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/custom-framesets 
>
> Looked at my 3 Rivendells...and nope, nothing to see there. I don't recall 
> this option ever coming up on my last two customs...and I'm not fussing 
> about it too much.
>
> So, Joe, did you have to request the 3M wrapping specifically? 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:13:36 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> 3M is what I would do, I believe that's the product Joe Bell wrapped on 
>> my chainstay. I can't verify that this is a real problem but I always get 
>> queazy when I see steel and paint covered under all that cloth and twine, I 
>> don't know what's happening under there. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 12:35:00 PM UTC-8 Paul Choi wrote:
>>
>>> 3m paint protection film works well. You can remove it anytime. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 7:56:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see 
 lots of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like 
 it 
 wold not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[David Person]

My 2015 Sam came with a clear protector too that is nearly invisible.  When 
I wanted something similar for my Surly I purchased one of these Wheels 
Manufacturing clear chainstay protectors off eBay.  Looks excellent.  Now, 
the chainstays on the Sam (463 mm and on the Surly 450 mm) are nowhere near 
the length of those on the newer Rivs, so that is to be taken info 
consideration.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/392234836245?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:22:12 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> You can, or could, get NOS steel chainstay protectors a few years ago on 
> eBay. I found a couple from a US seller.
>
> The closest thing I found just now on a quick search is this, UK and 
> aluminum:
>
>
> https://www.velobitz.co.uk/chainstay-protectors/velobitz-vintage-retro-plain-aluminium-chainstay-protector-self-adhesive
>
> Long ago (I was 16 or so) when a heavy 1/8" chain on a smallish ring and 
> cogs with lightly sprung derailleur cage would bounce on the stay over 
> bumps, I cut a "silver" cs protector out of the "tinned" inside of a tin 
> can, with tabs on each end to bolt it under the stay,  It looked good (or 
> so I thought then) and worked well.
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 12:08 PM lconley  wrote:
>
>> My Rivendell Custom came with extensive clear film over the chain stay. 
>> It is basically invisible, didn't know it was there until I was working on 
>> it real close up one day and saw the edge lines. Most of my other 
>> Rivendells came with a single clear piece of film like what they sell. I 
>> tried to go old school and get my stays chrome plated but that was a no-go 
>> with Grant.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[Patrick Moore]

You can, or could, get NOS steel chainstay protectors a few years ago on
eBay. I found a couple from a US seller.

The closest thing I found just now on a quick search is this, UK and
aluminum:

https://www.velobitz.co.uk/chainstay-protectors/velobitz-vintage-retro-plain-aluminium-chainstay-protector-self-adhesive

Long ago (I was 16 or so) when a heavy 1/8" chain on a smallish ring and
cogs with lightly sprung derailleur cage would bounce on the stay over
bumps, I cut a "silver" cs protector out of the "tinned" inside of a tin
can, with tabs on each end to bolt it under the stay,  It looked good (or
so I thought then) and worked well.

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 12:08 PM lconley  wrote:

> My Rivendell Custom came with extensive clear film over the chain stay. It
> is basically invisible, didn't know it was there until I was working on it
> real close up one day and saw the edge lines. Most of my other Rivendells
> came with a single clear piece of film like what they sell. I tried to go
> old school and get my stays chrome plated but that was a no-go with Grant.

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[RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[lconley]

My Rivendell Custom came with extensive clear film over the chain stay. It 
is basically invisible, didn't know it was there until I was working on it 
real close up one day and saw the edge lines. Most of my other Rivendells 
came with a single clear piece of film like what they sell. I tried to go 
old school and get my stays chrome plated but that was a no-go with Grant.
The only Rivendell complete that I ever purchased has a clear chainstay 
protector that is dying of old age and twine wrapped kickstand. Interesting 
thing about the kickstand is that the twine is not where the crank contacts 
the kickstand, must have come from another bike.

Laing

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:23:28 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> It's interesting that on Riv's Custom page they offer a chainstay slap 
> guard for a $50.00 upcharge...but don't think it's really required.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/custom-framesets 
>
> Looked at my 3 Rivendells...and nope, nothing to see there. I don't recall 
> this option ever coming up on my last two customs...and I'm not fussing 
> about it too much.
>
> So, Joe, did you have to request the 3M wrapping specifically? 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:13:36 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> 3M is what I would do, I believe that's the product Joe Bell wrapped on 
>> my chainstay. I can't verify that this is a real problem but I always get 
>> queazy when I see steel and paint covered under all that cloth and twine, I 
>> don't know what's happening under there. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 12:35:00 PM UTC-8 Paul Choi wrote:
>>
>>> 3m paint protection film works well. You can remove it anytime. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 7:56:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see 
 lots of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like 
 it 
 wold not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[R Shannon]

One other observation. My Sam and Atlantis from 2014-15 came with clear
chain stay protectors. Formerly standard equipment but now an option.

Best,
Rich in ATL



On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:23 PM, Ryan  wrote:

> It's interesting that on Riv's Custom page they offer a chainstay slap
> guard for a $50.00 upcharge...but don't think it's really required.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/custom-framesets
>
> Looked at my 3 Rivendells...and nope, nothing to see there. I don't recall
> this option ever coming up on my last two customs...and I'm not fussing
> about it too much.
>
> So, Joe, did you have to request the 3M wrapping specifically?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:13:36 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> 3M is what I would do, I believe that's the product Joe Bell wrapped on
>> my chainstay. I can't verify that this is a real problem but I always get
>> queazy when I see steel and paint covered under all that cloth and twine, I
>> don't know what's happening under there.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 12:35:00 PM UTC-8 Paul Choi wrote:
>>
>>> 3m paint protection film works well. You can remove it anytime.
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 7:56:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see
 lots of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like it
 wold not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[R Shannon]

Or, avoid the guesswork and use one of the other less invasive methods
recommended.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:04 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:

> Wow thanks for the heads up about removing paint! I wonder if a heat gun
> on low would help prevent that…
>
>
> On Feb 8, 2022, at 8:02 AM, RichS  wrote:
>
> Richard,
>
> As Ben noted, cloth and twine is "bulletproof" chain stay protection. One
> caveat though: if you ever decide to remove it, the adhesive quality of
> cloth hbar tape has the ability to remove paint (ask me how I know!). Riv
> sells these chain stay protectors - currently out of stock - and other
> retailers also sell them in colors and I believe leather as well. They're
> tricky to install. I've only applied the clear versions. Proceed slowly
> lest you trap air bubbles between the stay and the protector. Clean the
> chain stay thoroughly; a pin is somewhat helpful to remove any bubbles;
> ideally, avoid them if you can.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/chainstay-protector
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 4:13:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> 3M is what I would do, I believe that's the product Joe Bell wrapped on
>> my chainstay. I can't verify that this is a real problem but I always get
>> queazy when I see steel and paint covered under all that cloth and twine, I
>> don't know what's happening under there.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 12:35:00 PM UTC-8 Paul Choi wrote:
>>
>>> 3m paint protection film works well. You can remove it anytime.
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 7:56:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see
 lots of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like it
 wold not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[Ryan]

It's interesting that on Riv's Custom page they offer a chainstay slap 
guard for a $50.00 upcharge...but don't think it's really required.

https://www.rivbike.com/products/custom-framesets 

Looked at my 3 Rivendells...and nope, nothing to see there. I don't recall 
this option ever coming up on my last two customs...and I'm not fussing 
about it too much.

So, Joe, did you have to request the 3M wrapping specifically? 







On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:13:36 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> 3M is what I would do, I believe that's the product Joe Bell wrapped on my 
> chainstay. I can't verify that this is a real problem but I always get 
> queazy when I see steel and paint covered under all that cloth and twine, I 
> don't know what's happening under there. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 12:35:00 PM UTC-8 Paul Choi wrote:
>
>> 3m paint protection film works well. You can remove it anytime. 
>>
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 7:56:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see 
>>> lots of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like it 
>>> wold not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[Joe Mullins]

Wow thanks for the heads up about removing paint! I wonder if a heat gun on low 
would help prevent that…

> 
> On Feb 8, 2022, at 8:02 AM, RichS  wrote:
> 
> Richard,
> 
> As Ben noted, cloth and twine is "bulletproof" chain stay protection. One 
> caveat though: if you ever decide to remove it, the adhesive quality of cloth 
> hbar tape has the ability to remove paint (ask me how I know!). Riv sells 
> these chain stay protectors - currently out of stock - and other retailers 
> also sell them in colors and I believe leather as well. They're tricky to 
> install. I've only applied the clear versions. Proceed slowly lest you trap 
> air bubbles between the stay and the protector. Clean the chain stay 
> thoroughly; a pin is somewhat helpful to remove any bubbles; ideally, avoid 
> them if you can. 
> 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/chainstay-protector
> 
> Best,
> Rich in ATL  
> 
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 4:13:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> 3M is what I would do, I believe that's the product Joe Bell wrapped on my 
>> chainstay. I can't verify that this is a real problem but I always get 
>> queazy when I see steel and paint covered under all that cloth and twine, I 
>> don't know what's happening under there. 
>> 
>> Joe Bernard
>> 
>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 12:35:00 PM UTC-8 Paul Choi wrote:
>>> 3m paint protection film works well. You can remove it anytime. 
>>> 
 On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 7:56:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
 Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see lots 
 of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like it 
 wold not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?
> 
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[RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[RichS]

Richard,

As Ben noted, cloth and twine is "bulletproof" chain stay protection. One 
caveat though: if you ever decide to remove it, the adhesive quality of 
cloth hbar tape has the ability to remove paint (ask me how I know!). Riv 
sells these chain stay protectors - currently out of stock - and other 
retailers also sell them in colors and I believe leather as well. They're 
tricky to install. I've only applied the clear versions. Proceed slowly 
lest you trap air bubbles between the stay and the protector. Clean the 
chain stay thoroughly; a pin is somewhat helpful to remove any bubbles; 
ideally, avoid them if you can. 

https://www.rivbike.com/products/chainstay-protector

Best,
Rich in ATL  

On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 4:13:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> 3M is what I would do, I believe that's the product Joe Bell wrapped on my 
> chainstay. I can't verify that this is a real problem but I always get 
> queazy when I see steel and paint covered under all that cloth and twine, I 
> don't know what's happening under there. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 12:35:00 PM UTC-8 Paul Choi wrote:
>
>> 3m paint protection film works well. You can remove it anytime. 
>>
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 7:56:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see 
>>> lots of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like it 
>>> wold not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[Joe Bernard]

3M is what I would do, I believe that's the product Joe Bell wrapped on my 
chainstay. I can't verify that this is a real problem but I always get 
queazy when I see steel and paint covered under all that cloth and twine, I 
don't know what's happening under there. 

Joe Bernard

On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 12:35:00 PM UTC-8 Paul Choi wrote:

> 3m paint protection film works well. You can remove it anytime. 
>
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 7:56:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see lots 
>> of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like it wold 
>> not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[Paul Choi]

3m paint protection film works well. You can remove it anytime. 

On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 7:56:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see lots 
> of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like it wold 
> not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?

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[RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[Ed Carolipio]

If you don't want something fancy but does the job, you can use some 
"helicopter" tape to protect the frame:

http://www.racerstape.com/rtp.html (see middle of page)

I keep a 1", 8 mill roll handy. For the chainstay, I use a couple of long 
strips along the chain stay then finish off with a couple of strips around 
the kickstand plate. I also use it where cable housing rubs the head tube 
and when I have to wrap a bag strap around a frame tube.

--Ed C.
On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 7:56:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see lots 
> of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like it wold 
> not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?

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[RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[Joe Grandia]

I like to cut an old tube lengthwise and use that to wrap the chainstay. 
This gets the twine treatment just the same. Looks good to me, and works 
great.
I'll try to upload a photo later. 

-Joe 

On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 7:57:51 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> If you do the newbaums and twine and shellac it, it will be pert near 
> bulletproof.
>
> -Ben in Omaha 
>
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 9:56:49 AM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see lots 
>> of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like it wold 
>> not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[Ben Mihovk]

If you do the newbaums and twine and shellac it, it will be pert near 
bulletproof.

-Ben in Omaha 

On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 9:56:49 AM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wanting to protect the lovely long chainstay from chain slaps. I see lots 
> of folks using cloth tape, some with twine. Looks ok but seems like it wold 
> not hold up well. What other solutions are being used?

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