[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Pierre pierre.lacha...@live.ca wrote: If you're a performance-oriented type who rides saddle very high and forward, and you spin furiously toes down, you're probably going to be happier with either clipless pedals, or at the very least, toe clips with straps (and possibly cleated shoes with those toe clips). I've gone the circuit from clips and straps to clipless of all kinds for 15 years. then back to clips and straps, then back to clipless for all except my commuter (clips, straps -- snug) and grocery bike (flat, 1/2 mile radius). I am a saddle alll the way back masher -- I run out of rpm at much over 100, and am most comfortable from about 75 to 95, though I climb comfortably as low as 40 rpm and sometimes much lower. I like clipless and strap retention because (1) it keeps my foot from slipping off the pedals and (2) because I very distinctly pull back and up, at least for short periods, for more torque. I noticed this particularly on my gofast, on which I recently installed Keos: the lock-in allowed me to power back and up more easily than on my commuter, with snug straps and well-fitting slipons -- though I do find myself pulling back and up even with the slipones and clips, (I used slotted cleats on the gofast before I installed the Keos.) (Fixed or ss from 63 -- off road -- to 75 -- gofast.) I *do* favor high saddles and a toe-down pedaling style. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
What this comes down to is: if you amble along -- and there is nothing wrong with that -- you may not care about retention. If you pedal agressively, fast or slow, you may want it. Certianly, I want it. Plenty amblers cover more miles than I ever do; I top out at about 35, but I ride them agressively. And there is nothing wrong with *that*, either. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:23:15 -0600 Subject: [RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals From: bertin...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Plenty amblers cover more miles than I ever do; I top out at about 35, but I ride them agressively. And there is nothing wrong with *that*, either. It's like I've said before, everyone's different. I like to have foot retention myself (and I'm also kind of a setback masher), but I also think it's not for everyone. A good flat pedal and shoe combination that keeps your foot from sliding around allows for any kind of fast riding, over any terrain, hills included. There is simply no all-encompassing, all-or-nothing way to ride. I have an old touring bike that I use as my transportation rain bike. It has just ordinary flat rat-trap type pedals on it, and I can ride that bike pretty aggressively when I want to if I'm wearing shoes with a sole that bites into the pedal. It wouldn't work as well in oxfords with a smooth leather sole. Personally, I encourage those who are still unsure of what they want to go out and experiment. You decide what works for *you* under what circumstances. If necessary, try a pair of cheaper SPD clones. If you choose the shoes appropriately, you can still use them later if you decide against the clipless pedals. But everyone should try to avoid comparing clipless pedals to unadorned flat pedals. Compare them to toe clips. Otherwise, you are comparing apples to oranges. _ New! Get to Messenger faster: Sign-in here now! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677407 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
Clipless vs toe clips vs just an ordinary touring pedal can be argued endlessly without resolution, because it depends on the context of how you intend to ride with them. If you're a performance-oriented type who rides saddle very high and forward, and you spin furiously toes down, you're probably going to be happier with either clipless pedals, or at the very least, toe clips with straps (and possibly cleated shoes with those toe clips). On the other hand, if the Rivendell way of riding appeals to you, then you can very happy with some kind of rat trap-like touring pedal or a platform pedal, as long as they work well with your soles to keep your foot from sliding around on the pedal. By Rivendell way, at the risk of interpreting it in my fashion, I mean you have a reasonable saddle height combined with a more rearward saddle on which you can plant your sit bones, and a relatively high-mounted drop handlebar... and you ride on the roads for your pleasure rather than to prove to a cyclocomputer or to others how fast you can go. If your bike is setup more like a long distance tourer than it is like a Tour de France racer, such that you are pedaling straight down and with a relatively flat foot, you can go for hundreds of miles in complete bliss without any kind of foot restraint on your pedal. In my experience as a misanthropic iconoclast though, it seems to me that even most people who start out the second way gradually gravitate to the prove my manhood with speed camp. I've been there too, but for pleasure that lasts a lifetime, the second way is better. Pierre --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
I've never had KEO's, but owned older Looks for a while. I never looked back once I tried the Speedplay X lollipops. The free float is far kinder to my knees. Besides the float, the X's spin nicely, hold up well and clip in and release easily without ever releasing prematurely (I hate it when that happens!). Neither Looks nor Speedplays are friendly for walking more than a few steps, though, which confines them to go-fast duty only IMO. They live on my dedicated club sport bike. I have a set of Speedplay Frogs that move between a couple of other bikes. They're a nice compromise of free float and walkability. My commuter has Velo Orange touring pedals with plastic clips. I have no problem with that setup for the flat twelve miles of my commute, but I prefer to be clipped in for longer, hillier rides. Bill On Oct 14, 6:17 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Violently yanking this thread in a direction more interesting to Moi, I ask *those of you who have used both (the rest of ya keep silent): Which do you like better, Look Keos or Speedplay X2s, and why? Be thorough and complete in your reply. Extra credit for good penmanship. (I'll let those of you who have actually used other Looks and other X pedals chime in, too. No comments from the peanut gallery, please.) Patrick Moore, who has used Graftons (both models) and Stratics, and you haven't. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
Thanks, Bill. I used X-2s for 15 years before switching to, seriatim (not including the horrible WTB Stealths), SPD 959s, clips 'n' straps 'n' nice old Kangaroo leather Sidis, and, now, Keos. I prefer the Looks for the solid platform, and the 4 degrees or so of float is enough for me. I do miss the complete rebuildability of Speedplay cleats (damn, at $40 a pop, they'd better be rebuildable) and the Grease-guard feature. I may yet go back to the Sidis and straps, but I find that the Keos -- or perhaps just clipless generally -- really do make a difference in allowing me (I know, scientific studies have proved the contrary) to pedal around the clock at least temporarily to gain more power. And perhaps it is new shoes, but the Looks seem not to give me a hot spot on the left, pronated, foot as quickly as the X's did. Certainly, if I chose another road pedal instead of the Keos, I'd go back to X-2s. On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: I've never had KEO's, but owned older Looks for a while. I never looked back once I tried the Speedplay X lollipops. The free float is far kinder to my knees. Besides the float, the X's spin nicely, hold up well and clip in and release easily without ever releasing prematurely (I hate it when that happens!). Neither Looks nor Speedplays are friendly for walking more than a few steps, though, which confines them to go-fast duty only IMO. They live on my dedicated club sport bike. I have a set of Speedplay Frogs that move between a couple of other bikes. They're a nice compromise of free float and walkability. My commuter has Velo Orange touring pedals with plastic clips. I have no problem with that setup for the flat twelve miles of my commute, but I prefer to be clipped in for longer, hillier rides. Bill On Oct 14, 6:17 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Violently yanking this thread in a direction more interesting to Moi, I ask *those of you who have used both (the rest of ya keep silent): Which do you like better, Look Keos or Speedplay X2s, and why? Be thorough and complete in your reply. Extra credit for good penmanship. (I'll let those of you who have actually used other Looks and other X pedals chime in, too. No comments from the peanut gallery, please.) Patrick Moore, who has used Graftons (both models) and Stratics, and you haven't. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Oct 13, 6:49 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: In a word, float. I have infinite float on my current pedals. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 03:42 -0700, ToddBS wrote: On Oct 13, 6:49 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: In a word, float. I have infinite float on my current pedals. If you like step-on pedals, that's fine. There are several very nice ones on the market. They don't work for me, other than for an errand bike, but if they work for you that's great. However, you shouldn't exaggerate the defects of the alternative as a way of advocating for them. Clipless pedals have come a long way since the mid 1980s, and fixed-position pedals are a distant memory. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
well, I went to shimano spd's a while back (646), but I did it because I'm a left leg amputee, and I really can't hold my leg on a plain old pedal. in fact, last year I even abandoned a shoe and mounted the spd cleat directly on my artificial foot under the heel, which I'd recommend to any amputee. It took a little leg length and seat height adjusting, and walking isn't pleasant, but it makes riding really nice. best ts -- On Oct 13, 4:11 am, bpus...@aol.com wrote: I'd take it one step further and say it has everything to do with your shoes - or at least where the cleats are fastened to the shoes. Bill In a message dated 10/13/2009 7:00:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, palin...@his.com writes: There's a reasonable chance this has nothing at all to do with the pedals and everything to do with your shoes. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
I will never forget my first century attempt, in 1973 wearing athletic shoes (we called them sneakers in those days) with my Campagnolo Record quill pedals. (I also wore shorts made from cut-off denim trousers with briefs underneath, and did not wear gloves.) I can still feel the burning lines of fire in my feet whenever I think of it. Internet forums are full of either-or thinking. It doesn't have to be canvas running shoes on quill pedals. It could be any touring shoe. The idea is that you can ride in any shoe, not that you have to ride in any particular one. I wouldn't venture out into a long cycling tour without appropriate shoes, but that doesn't mean it has to be on clipless pedals. In the meantime, most of my day-to-day riding involves jaunts around the city for 20-30 miles. I can do that in just about any shoe I have in the house, including the 20-dollar athletic shoe clones I bought on special at a discount store. I use toe clips though. I'm not too found of bare pedals without any foot restraint at all. _ New! Open Messenger faster on the MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677405 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
I rode for many years with traditional campy or french pedals, clips and straps paired with italian ballet slippers. I thought I would never get used to anything else. 10 or so years ago I tried clipless pedals and never looked back. I have A530's on my commuter bikes and some form of SPD on everything else including my fixed gear. I do have a pair of egg beaters and a pair of campy Look compatible that I want to try out. I like the idea of jumping on the bike with whatever I'm wearing at the time and riding around on platform pedals but, like a lot of things in life, reality doesn't seem as good as the idea. I like to feel attached to the bike. GeorgeS On Oct 12, 6:36 pm, Pierre pierre.lacha...@live.ca wrote: This year, I've retrograded back to traditional quill pedals and toe clips. I started out with toe clips decades ago, succumbed to clipless in 1998, vascillated between clipless and toe clips once or twice a year, and this season, I've been all toe clip. At first, the retro switch came this spring when they started some serious road rebuilding where I live, making it necessary to walk my bike here and there (due to sharing narrow, temporary construction pathways with pedestrians). This rammed home what I've already known for years, and that is, walkable SPD or compatible shoes are not all that walkable except on the most perfectly smooth and even surfaces. A few too many crunching sessions made me decide to put my old Campy quill pedals back on, so I could ride with any ordinary athletic shoe. I've liked the freedom so much since that I have no intention of reverting back to clipless. Look, I like to ride fast, I spin and all that, but I know I can do that just as well with traditional pedals and toe clips. Pierre --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Oct 12, 3:40 pm, Steve Wimberg st...@stevewimberg.com wrote: A friend suggested SPDs so I could actually walk in the shoes (at least to go into a convenience store without falling on my ass). He also felt that cycling shoes makes your pedal stroke more efficient and that it might alleviate the numbness because the force of the stroke is being spread out over a larger area than just the pedal surface. I have the exact opposite experience. I can't go more than about 8 or 10 miles with a cleated pedal system before getting hot spots and my feet feel like they're on fire. It's worse with the SPD type cleats as they have a much smaller contact point. Road-specific cleats, which are broader, don't bother me quite as much but then again you can't walk in them. I use large platform BMX pedals and have yet to have my foot leave the pedal unintentionally. In fact, I usually ride in hiking shoes and am thinking of switching to something with less tread pattern as the hiking shoes virtually lock me to the pedals. I am considering a set of the these half-clips though: http://velo-orange.com/mkshalfclip.html For my purposes, those look like a perfect compromise. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 03:41 -0700, ToddBS wrote: On Oct 12, 3:40 pm, Steve Wimberg st...@stevewimberg.com wrote: A friend suggested SPDs so I could actually walk in the shoes (at least to go into a convenience store without falling on my ass). He also felt that cycling shoes makes your pedal stroke more efficient and that it might alleviate the numbness because the force of the stroke is being spread out over a larger area than just the pedal surface. I have the exact opposite experience. I can't go more than about 8 or 10 miles with a cleated pedal system before getting hot spots and my feet feel like they're on fire. It's worse with the SPD type cleats as they have a much smaller contact point. There's a reasonable chance this has nothing at all to do with the pedals and everything to do with your shoes. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
I'd take it one step further and say it has everything to do with your shoes - or at least where the cleats are fastened to the shoes. Bill In a message dated 10/13/2009 7:00:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, palin...@his.com writes: There's a reasonable chance this has nothing at all to do with the pedals and everything to do with your shoes. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:36 -0700, Pierre wrote: At first, the retro switch came this spring when they started some serious road rebuilding where I live, making it necessary to walk my bike here and there (due to sharing narrow, temporary construction pathways with pedestrians). This rammed home what I've already known for years, and that is, walkable SPD or compatible shoes are not all that walkable except on the most perfectly smooth and even surfaces. A few too many crunching sessions made me decide to put my old Campy quill pedals back on, so I could ride with any ordinary athletic shoe. I will never forget my first century attempt, in 1973 wearing athletic shoes (we called them sneakers in those days) with my Campagnolo Record quill pedals. (I also wore shorts made from cut-off denim trousers with briefs underneath, and did not wear gloves.) I can still feel the burning lines of fire in my feet whenever I think of it. Maybe the walkability of SPD shoes depends on the shoes. I have no difficulty at all walking with my Sidi Dominators on uneven surfaces or smooth ones. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
I have tried 3 different clipless pedal systems, with 3 different pairs of shoes, but each time, I came back to flat pedals. I see some advantage of being attached, but not enough to make it worth changing shoes. And on long rides, being locked in one place actually causes more fatigue and discomfort than free-floating on MKS Sylvan Touring pedals. I have become so accustomed to letting my foot roam around the pedal that even spiky bmx pedals seem too restrictive (I have bmx pedals on my fixed-gear and on my unicycle (ouch!)). For all types of riding, I use thin-soled, flimsy shoes, by the way. Anybody who does it differently is clearly wrong, and probably has a range of other moral failings. On Oct 13, 6:17 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:36 -0700, Pierre wrote: At first, the retro switch came this spring when they started some serious road rebuilding where I live, making it necessary to walk my bike here and there (due to sharing narrow, temporary construction pathways with pedestrians). This rammed home what I've already known for years, and that is, walkable SPD or compatible shoes are not all that walkable except on the most perfectly smooth and even surfaces. A few too many crunching sessions made me decide to put my old Campy quill pedals back on, so I could ride with any ordinary athletic shoe. I will never forget my first century attempt, in 1973 wearing athletic shoes (we called them sneakers in those days) with my Campagnolo Record quill pedals. (I also wore shorts made from cut-off denim trousers with briefs underneath, and did not wear gloves.) I can still feel the burning lines of fire in my feet whenever I think of it. Maybe the walkability of SPD shoes depends on the shoes. I have no difficulty at all walking with my Sidi Dominators on uneven surfaces or smooth ones. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 04:47 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I have tried 3 different clipless pedal systems, with 3 different pairs of shoes, but each time, I came back to flat pedals. I see some advantage of being attached, but not enough to make it worth changing shoes. And on long rides, being locked in one place actually causes more fatigue and discomfort than free-floating on MKS Sylvan Touring pedals. I have become so accustomed to letting my foot roam around the pedal that even spiky bmx pedals seem too restrictive (I have bmx pedals on my fixed-gear and on my unicycle (ouch!)). For all types of riding, I use thin-soled, flimsy shoes, by the way. Anybody who does it differently is clearly wrong, and probably has a range of other moral failings. How, I wonder, do you keep your feet from coming off the pedals accidentally? Talk about fatigue and discomfort - when my feet roam around, even on my townie/errand bike, I find they have an alarming tendency to come off the pedal or to be misaligned, and it seems like a lot of work to me to constantly have to think about foot placement. That's fine for a short-distance townie, where the emphasis is on off-bike activities like walking around in the supermarket, but when I'm actually out for a ride, forget it! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
After each episode of clipless experimentation, two of which lasted several months, I found that my feet felt sloppy and tended to slip off the flat pedals. I attribute this to the bad habits I learned by having my feet attached. Luckily, the sloppiness is quickly unlearned, and I don't have any slipping issues, nor do I expend much physical or mental effort trying to keep my feet on the pedals. On Oct 13, 7:15 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 04:47 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I have tried 3 different clipless pedal systems, with 3 different pairs of shoes, but each time, I came back to flat pedals. I see some advantage of being attached, but not enough to make it worth changing shoes. And on long rides, being locked in one place actually causes more fatigue and discomfort than free-floating on MKS Sylvan Touring pedals. I have become so accustomed to letting my foot roam around the pedal that even spiky bmx pedals seem too restrictive (I have bmx pedals on my fixed-gear and on my unicycle (ouch!)). For all types of riding, I use thin-soled, flimsy shoes, by the way. Anybody who does it differently is clearly wrong, and probably has a range of other moral failings. How, I wonder, do you keep your feet from coming off the pedals accidentally? Talk about fatigue and discomfort - when my feet roam around, even on my townie/errand bike, I find they have an alarming tendency to come off the pedal or to be misaligned, and it seems like a lot of work to me to constantly have to think about foot placement. That's fine for a short-distance townie, where the emphasis is on off-bike activities like walking around in the supermarket, but when I'm actually out for a ride, forget it! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
And on long rides, being locked in one place actually causes more fatigue and discomfort than free-floating on MKS Sylvan Touring pedals. I have become so accustomed to letting my foot roam around the pedal that even spiky bmx pedals seem too restrictive (I have bmx pedals on my fixed-gear and on my unicycle (ouch!)). For all types of riding, I use thin-soled, flimsy shoes, by the way. I am pretty much with you. Regular shoes on plain pedals works well for me. Recently I bought a set of White pedals for my commuter. I use the Bruce Gordon half clip. Except for the metal residue mess on my shoes, it works quite well. In fact, I see where Mr. Gordon now offers White pedals and half clips combined at a discount: http://bgcycles.com/accessories.html Anybody who does it differently is clearly wrong, and probably has a range of other moral failings. Hilarious! On Oct 13, 6:47 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: I have tried 3 different clipless pedal systems, with 3 different pairs of shoes, but each time, I came back to flat pedals. I see some advantage of being attached, but not enough to make it worth changing shoes. And on long rides, being locked in one place actually causes more fatigue and discomfort than free-floating on MKS Sylvan Touring pedals. I have become so accustomed to letting my foot roam around the pedal that even spiky bmx pedals seem too restrictive (I have bmx pedals on my fixed-gear and on my unicycle (ouch!)). For all types of riding, I use thin-soled, flimsy shoes, by the way. Anybody who does it differently is clearly wrong, and probably has a range of other moral failings. On Oct 13, 6:17 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:36 -0700, Pierre wrote: At first, the retro switch came this spring when they started some serious road rebuilding where I live, making it necessary to walk my bike here and there (due to sharing narrow, temporary construction pathways with pedestrians). This rammed home what I've already known for years, and that is, walkable SPD or compatible shoes are not all that walkable except on the most perfectly smooth and even surfaces. A few too many crunching sessions made me decide to put my old Campy quill pedals back on, so I could ride with any ordinary athletic shoe. I will never forget my first century attempt, in 1973 wearing athletic shoes (we called them sneakers in those days) with my Campagnolo Record quill pedals. (I also wore shorts made from cut-off denim trousers with briefs underneath, and did not wear gloves.) I can still feel the burning lines of fire in my feet whenever I think of it. Maybe the walkability of SPD shoes depends on the shoes. I have no difficulty at all walking with my Sidi Dominators on uneven surfaces or smooth ones.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
I find they have an alarming tendency to come off the pedal or to be misaligned, and it seems like a lot of work to me to constantly have to think about foot placement. Jim's amusing take on differences notwithstanding, I think it is a case where different physiology is in play. I just got back from an approximate 600 mile in 7 day tour with camping and hiking worked in. My tour bike is set up with old Campy quill pedals (bought from some nice guy on these boards. forgot who he was but 3,000 miles and going I sure appreciate the deal.) without clips. The alternative would have been to wear riding shoes and stow my hiking shoes. Doable, but shoes take up a lot of pack space. On Oct 13, 7:15 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 04:47 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I have tried 3 different clipless pedal systems, with 3 different pairs of shoes, but each time, I came back to flat pedals. I see some advantage of being attached, but not enough to make it worth changing shoes. And on long rides, being locked in one place actually causes more fatigue and discomfort than free-floating on MKS Sylvan Touring pedals. I have become so accustomed to letting my foot roam around the pedal that even spiky bmx pedals seem too restrictive (I have bmx pedals on my fixed-gear and on my unicycle (ouch!)). For all types of riding, I use thin-soled, flimsy shoes, by the way. Anybody who does it differently is clearly wrong, and probably has a range of other moral failings. How, I wonder, do you keep your feet from coming off the pedals accidentally? Talk about fatigue and discomfort - when my feet roam around, even on my townie/errand bike, I find they have an alarming tendency to come off the pedal or to be misaligned, and it seems like a lot of work to me to constantly have to think about foot placement. That's fine for a short-distance townie, where the emphasis is on off-bike activities like walking around in the supermarket, but when I'm actually out for a ride, forget it! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
The philosophy is about keeping bicycles fun and practical, not categorically rejecting certain equipment. If clipless pedals are functional and enjoyable then you are on the right track. No heresy there. my road and mtb bikes have Time ATACs paired with recessed cleat MTB shoes. Great, Easy to get in and out of, no hot spots and walkable supportive shoes. my town bike has MKS sneaker pedals...great for sneakers as advertised. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Steve Park steve...@gmail.com wrote: The philosophy is about keeping bicycles fun and practical, not categorically rejecting certain equipment. If clipless pedals are functional and enjoyable then you are on the right track. No heresy there. my road and mtb bikes have Time ATACs paired with recessed cleat MTB shoes. Great, Easy to get in and out of, no hot spots and walkable supportive shoes. my town bike has MKS sneaker pedals...great for sneakers as advertised. I use the mks touring pedals on everything and the only gripe I have with them is if I'm wearing my simple shoes and it is AT ALL wet outside, they make a squeaky noise and my foot slips around more than I'd like. I might try a pair of the sneaker pedals out and see how they fare. I've also considered a set of the rubber-topped wellgos that are fairly pretty and dirt cheap. I tried clips and clipless (and for the record the name clipless for a pedal that you 'clip into' just annoys the crap out of me) and I found I like being able to move my feet around w/o thinking about it. -sv -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
Speaking of which: MKS is now making (or maybe has been and VO just recently stocked) an updated version of the rubber topped pedal: http://www.velo-orange.com/mks30rublpe.html I have a great set of the white Lyotard version of these. I am somewhat reluctant to use mine, however, as it has proven difficult to find new old stock versions. Seems with the more pedestrian components, no one ever thought about saving a few copies for posterity. It is easier to find new old stock Campy 50th Anniversary quills than Lyotard rubber pedals in white. On Oct 13, 9:40 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Steve Park steve...@gmail.com wrote: The philosophy is about keeping bicycles fun and practical, not categorically rejecting certain equipment. If clipless pedals are functional and enjoyable then you are on the right track. No heresy there. my road and mtb bikes have Time ATACs paired with recessed cleat MTB shoes. Great, Easy to get in and out of, no hot spots and walkable supportive shoes. my town bike has MKS sneaker pedals...great for sneakers as advertised. I use the mks touring pedals on everything and the only gripe I have with them is if I'm wearing my simple shoes and it is AT ALL wet outside, they make a squeaky noise and my foot slips around more than I'd like. I might try a pair of the sneaker pedals out and see how they fare. I've also considered a set of the rubber-topped wellgos that are fairly pretty and dirt cheap. I tried clips and clipless (and for the record the name clipless for a pedal that you 'clip into' just annoys the crap out of me) and I found I like being able to move my feet around w/o thinking about it. -sv -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
That's my set-up too. I have found the Time ATACs to be the most comfortable clipless pedals for me; they allow lots of float and don't provoke hot spots. Recessed cleat MTB shoes are very walkable; I need that when I'm pushing my SS MTB up steep hills. jim m wc ca On Oct 13, 7:35 am, Steve Park steve...@gmail.com wrote: my road and mtb bikes have Time ATACs paired with recessed cleat MTB shoes. Great, Easy to get in and out of, no hot spots and walkable supportive shoes. my town bike has MKS sneaker pedals...great for sneakers as advertised. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
It's really great to hear that I'm not alone here. My first experiment with clipless pedals was in the late '80s with an early version of Look's delta pedals. I had trouble getting the release dialed in, and experienced quite a bit of discomfort due to the lack of (any) float. That experience kept me off of clipless for about 15 years. When I started mountain biking, I tried WTB Stealth pedals (good float, but entry was about as difficult as getting through airport security), SPDs (okay, but didn't love 'em when they got muddy), platforms (great down hill, not so great up hill), and finally Time ATACs. Loved the ATACs. I've had good luck with Speedplay road pedals (not Frogs) on my go-fast bike, but those big cleats are a non- starter for errands, commuting, etc. I'm using Shimano A530s on the Hilsen, which as a few other posts have noted are SPDs on one side, and platforms on the other. Great pedal, IMHO. But what's really keeping me out of my sneakers when I grab the bike is these all mountain shoes that I picked up: http://www.mavic.com/mtb/products/switchback.320431.9.aspx. They go on about as easy as a pair of Keens, with a pretty similar drawstring to cinch them tight. No straps, no buckles, totally walkable, and they just look like a pair of trail sneakers. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 06:15 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: The alternative would have been to wear riding shoes and stow my hiking shoes. Doable, but shoes take up a lot of pack space. Yes, that's why I bought a pair of Keen sandals just before the Shenandoah Valley tour this June. I liked them so well, that's all I've been wearing since! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
With practice, you can ride platform pedals and never worry about your feet slipping off (that is, unless something happens that brings with it a much larger problem than your feet slipping off).The dumbest (and most fun) things i've done on bicycles was done with good old platform pedals: http://www.flickr.com/photos/43029...@n07/4009451976/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/43029...@n07/4009446854/ I could not imagine doing anything like this clipped-in, in fact it's scary to even think about. On Oct 13, 8:15 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 04:47 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I have tried 3 different clipless pedal systems, with 3 different pairs of shoes, but each time, I came back to flat pedals. I see some advantage of being attached, but not enough to make it worth changing shoes. And on long rides, being locked in one place actually causes more fatigue and discomfort than free-floating on MKS Sylvan Touring pedals. I have become so accustomed to letting my foot roam around the pedal that even spiky bmx pedals seem too restrictive (I have bmx pedals on my fixed-gear and on my unicycle (ouch!)). For all types of riding, I use thin-soled, flimsy shoes, by the way. Anybody who does it differently is clearly wrong, and probably has a range of other moral failings. How, I wonder, do you keep your feet from coming off the pedals accidentally? Talk about fatigue and discomfort - when my feet roam around, even on my townie/errand bike, I find they have an alarming tendency to come off the pedal or to be misaligned, and it seems like a lot of work to me to constantly have to think about foot placement. That's fine for a short-distance townie, where the emphasis is on off-bike activities like walking around in the supermarket, but when I'm actually out for a ride, forget it! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 12:44 -0700, newenglandbike wrote: I could not imagine doing anything like this clipped-in, in fact it's scary to even think about. I can not imagine doing anything like this period. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
This may be a little off topic, but I wonder how many BMX freestylers there are here . . . --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
Yes, that's why I bought a pair of Keen sandals just before the Shenandoah Valley tour this June. I liked them so well, that's all I've been wearing since! Heard a lot of good things about Keens. Guess I will have to try a pair. Arguably - more like indubitably - Zamberlans are overkill for hiking in Southwestern Wisconsin. Although they were quite comfortable! On Oct 13, 1:57 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 06:15 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: The alternative would have been to wear riding shoes and stow my hiking shoes. Doable, but shoes take up a lot of pack space. Yes, that's why I bought a pair of Keen sandals just before the Shenandoah Valley tour this June. I liked them so well, that's all I've been wearing since! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
This may be a little off topic, but I wonder how many BMX freestylers there are here . . . I reckon BMX freestylers are a fairly small subset of any cycling group. Excepting, of course, BMX freestylers. Looks like fun but must take a real healthy combination of athletic ability, hand eye coordination, and devil may care attitude about one's well being. On Oct 13, 3:41 pm, 40_Acres mgla...@gmail.com wrote: This may be a little off topic, but I wonder how many BMX freestylers there are here . . . --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
Has anyone on here used the MKS Ezy pedals? They have a quick release similar to a pneumatic hose connection and allow you to remove the pedal quickly for packing. The make them in clipless and platform styles and I can envision having a set of each for around town and out for a long ride applications. I see that they now offer them with Grip King platforms at Harris http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/pedals.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
A friend has similar pedals on his folder, and loves them. --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org On Oct 13, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Rambouilleting Utahn wrote: Has anyone on here used the MKS Ezy pedals? They have a quick release similar to a pneumatic hose connection and allow you to remove the pedal quickly for packing. The make them in clipless and platform styles and I can envision having a set of each for around town and out for a long ride applications. I see that they now offer them with Grip King platforms at Harris http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/pedals.html --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
I expected these comments. I have used 3 different pairs of shoes with the cleats mounted in just about every position imaginable. The only way to alleviate this discomfort would be to stuff a large Dr. Scholls in there. But then, that wouldn't alleviate me having to wear special shoes every time I wanted to ride, which is another beef I have with them. A final beef I have - which someone else touched on - is being locked into a fixed, linear motion. To me, it's the cycling equivalent of squatting in a Smith machine. Yes, you feel more efficient but the human body isn't designed to work that way and you're setting yourself up for an eventual RSI. This of course is my opinion, and there is a great deal of differing opinion, so we'll leave it at that. On Oct 13, 7:11 am, bpus...@aol.com wrote: I'd take it one step further and say it has everything to do with your shoes - or at least where the cleats are fastened to the shoes. Bill In a message dated 10/13/2009 7:00:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, palin...@his.com writes: There's a reasonable chance this has nothing at all to do with the pedals and everything to do with your shoes. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 14:41 -0700, ToddBS wrote: I expected these comments. I have used 3 different pairs of shoes I've tried over a dozen brands of dress shoes and have found only one -- and only one last in a very full and varied line -- that I can consistently buy and wear with no fears of foot pain. I tried ten or twelve different SPD-compatible bike shoes before I found a brand that fit. with the cleats mounted in just about every position imaginable. The only way to alleviate this discomfort would be to stuff a large Dr. Scholls in there. That still sounds like shoes and cleats, not pedals, to me. But then, that wouldn't alleviate me having to wear special shoes every time I wanted to ride, which is another beef I have with them. Well, if you're not OK with that, then it is an unsurmountable obstacle. A final beef I have - which someone else touched on - is being locked into a fixed, linear motion. To me, it's the cycling equivalent of squatting in a Smith machine. Yes, you feel more efficient but the human body isn't designed to work that way and you're setting yourself up for an eventual RSI. In a word, float. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
I gave up Look cleats and shoes maybe 3 years ago, opting for an SPD pedal (xspeed?? the name is worn off the pedal and they are light and great) and touring shoes. I've never been happier. I find the SPD's much easier to clip in and the touring shoe much more useful, especially when I carry my bike up 2 flights of stairs to my office most days. No difference in speed that I've noticed...well, I switched from a Serotta to a Bleriot, so I slowed down and made up for it with less jarring of my body and the ability to get my change of clothes off my back and on a rack. I have an old MTB I converted to a hardtail with downturned bars and I use the Shimano M324 so I can jump on it with any shoe, and go. Still, I like the clips and will likely continue. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:51 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Yes, that's why I bought a pair of Keen sandals just before the Shenandoah Valley tour this June. I liked them so well, that's all I've been wearing since! Heard a lot of good things about Keens. Guess I will have to try a pair. Arguably - more like indubitably - Zamberlans are overkill for hiking in Southwestern Wisconsin. Although they were quite comfortable! -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- I just bought my first pair and like 'em. Kinda hot for summer riding if compared to Tevas. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
I recently switched from my crank Brothers 50/50 pin pedals to some Taiwanese, Magnesium, BMX pin pedals with really nice sealed bearings. Nice large platform like the Crank Brothers so no sore feet up to 60 miles which is as far as I have ridden. I don't worry about my feet slipping off, that's kind of ridiculous anyway since I am not riding some downhill rock infested cliff at 40 mph. If my feet fly off my pedals I figure I have other more serious things to worry about. I ride in my Redwing boots, Teva sandals, New balance sport shoes and any other shoe I happen to be wearing. On long rides I use my sandals down to about 32 degrees with two pairs of wool socks ( one standard + one arctic) On Oct 12, 11:50 am, 40_Acres mgla...@gmail.com wrote: I feel as if I'm committing an act of heresy, but I'm very curious to hear others thoughts. I'm no stranger to riding in sneakers on platform pedals, or to using old-school quills and toe clips (with and without cycling-specific shoes). When I bought my AHH this Summer, I decided to give both platforms and quills a serious go of it. After 4.5 months I'm back to clipless pedals, even for short errands around town. Any fellow heretics out there? On a related note with a different outcome, I went back to downtube shifting on the AHH. Love it. Brifters are great too, but I'm very happy with DT shifters. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
For short errands around town, I use my Town Bike with flat pedals. For everything, various flavors of clipless pedals. I've been gravitating of late to Crank Brothers Eggbeaters, which let me use shoes that I can easily walk in. --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org On Oct 12, 2009, at 11:50 AM, 40_Acres wrote: I feel as if I'm committing an act of heresy, but I'm very curious to hear others thoughts. I'm no stranger to riding in sneakers on platform pedals, or to using old-school quills and toe clips (with and without cycling-specific shoes). When I bought my AHH this Summer, I decided to give both platforms and quills a serious go of it. After 4.5 months I'm back to clipless pedals, even for short errands around town. Any fellow heretics out there? On a related note with a different outcome, I went back to downtube shifting on the AHH. Love it. Brifters are great too, but I'm very happy with DT shifters. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
Same here. Gripkings on the commuter and eggbeaters for longer rides. Eric Norris wrote: For short errands around town, I use my Town Bike with flat pedals. For everything, various flavors of clipless pedals. I've been gravitating of late to Crank Brothers Eggbeaters, which let me use shoes that I can easily walk in. --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org On Oct 12, 2009, at 11:50 AM, 40_Acres wrote: I feel as if I'm committing an act of heresy, but I'm very curious to hear others thoughts. I'm no stranger to riding in sneakers on platform pedals, or to using old-school quills and toe clips (with and without cycling-specific shoes). When I bought my AHH this Summer, I decided to give both platforms and quills a serious go of it. After 4.5 months I'm back to clipless pedals, even for short errands around town. Any fellow heretics out there? On a related note with a different outcome, I went back to downtube shifting on the AHH. Love it. Brifters are great too, but I'm very happy with DT shifters. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On all my bikes accept one I have gone to the Shimano A520 pedals. I think it is a good looking pedal on a lugged steel bike. It is also an SPD pedal so I can wear a mountain shoe that is much more comfortable for walking in. On my commuter I am using a Shimano M324 which are flat on one side and SPD on the other. Larry Powers Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:50:39 -0700 Subject: [RBW] Clipless Pedals From: mgla...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com I feel as if I'm committing an act of heresy, but I'm very curious to hear others thoughts. I'm no stranger to riding in sneakers on platform pedals, or to using old-school quills and toe clips (with and without cycling-specific shoes). When I bought my AHH this Summer, I decided to give both platforms and quills a serious go of it. After 4.5 months I'm back to clipless pedals, even for short errands around town. Any fellow heretics out there? On a related note with a different outcome, I went back to downtube shifting on the AHH. Love it. Brifters are great too, but I'm very happy with DT shifters. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
Both of my currently active bicycles have Time ATAC pedals, which i use on 95% of my rides. Now that my commute is ~15 miles instead 4ish, i wear cycling clothing and carry and change of clothes and the shoes are part of that- I leave my chaco sandals in my office to change into. I've also recently found that the older models of ATAC have slightly bulkier bodies and are easy to pedal in street shoes for short range trips. When i lived in the city with a shorter commute, my commuter bike just had toe clips as i would wear my street shoes for the commute. I always use clipless pedals for long rides- having a stiff soled shoe really helps my ginormous feet avoid cramping. On Oct 12, 11:50 am, 40_Acres mgla...@gmail.com wrote: I feel as if I'm committing an act of heresy, but I'm very curious to hear others thoughts. I'm no stranger to riding in sneakers on platform pedals, or to using old-school quills and toe clips (with and without cycling-specific shoes). When I bought my AHH this Summer, I decided to give both platforms and quills a serious go of it. After 4.5 months I'm back to clipless pedals, even for short errands around town. Any fellow heretics out there? On a related note with a different outcome, I went back to downtube shifting on the AHH. Love it. Brifters are great too, but I'm very happy with DT shifters. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 11:50 -0700, 40_Acres wrote: I feel as if I'm committing an act of heresy, but I'm very curious to hear others thoughts. I'm no stranger to riding in sneakers on platform pedals, or to using old-school quills and toe clips (with and without cycling-specific shoes). When I bought my AHH this Summer, I decided to give both platforms and quills a serious go of it. After 4.5 months I'm back to clipless pedals, even for short errands around town. Any fellow heretics out there? It isn't heresy to use clipless pedals. Neither clips straps nor platform pedals are a new orthodoxy I use a BMX platform pedal on my errand bike, but everything else has SPDs. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
When I set up my first real bike 3 years ago, I used MKS Touring pedals. Love 'em, but after 30 or so miles, my right foot would be numb. A friend suggested SPDs so I could actually walk in the shoes (at least to go into a convenience store without falling on my ass). He also felt that cycling shoes makes your pedal stroke more efficient and that it might alleviate the numbness because the force of the stroke is being spread out over a larger area than just the pedal surface. So I decided to try Shimano A530s - SPD on one side and platform on the other - because I wanted to be able to ride without the shoes. I must say that they are great. I like being clipped in, and actually do pull on the upstroke going up hills. I keep the tension on the looser side, which makes quick escapes easy, but not so loose that the cleats will come unclipped while pedaling. I moved the MKS over to my commuting bike, as I don't like using the clipless pedals in traffic so much. Call me a heretic, I suppose. Steve On Oct 12, 2009, at 2:50 PM, 40_Acres wrote: I feel as if I'm committing an act of heresy, but I'm very curious to hear others thoughts. I'm no stranger to riding in sneakers on platform pedals, or to using old-school quills and toe clips (with and without cycling-specific shoes). When I bought my AHH this Summer, I decided to give both platforms and quills a serious go of it. After 4.5 months I'm back to clipless pedals, even for short errands around town. Any fellow heretics out there? On a related note with a different outcome, I went back to downtube shifting on the AHH. Love it. Brifters are great too, but I'm very happy with DT shifters. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:50 PM, 40_Acres mgla...@gmail.com wrote: I feel as if I'm committing an act of heresy, but I'm very curious to hear others thoughts. I'm no stranger to riding in sneakers on platform pedals, or to using old-school quills and toe clips (with and without cycling-specific shoes). When I bought my AHH this Summer, I decided to give both platforms and quills a serious go of it. After 4.5 months I'm back to clipless pedals, even for short errands around town. Any fellow heretics out there? I jettisoned the Dura Aces on my gofast, the 959s on my commuter, and the 540s (I think) on the mtb for clips and straps, this about two years ago, and I was quite happy for a while. I used indoor Soccer shoes on the MTB and nice old Sidis with slotted cleats on the gofast. But recently I've gone back to clipless on the mtb and the gofast, for these reasons: MTB: I often have to start off in sand, and this means I need very quick entry. Although getting into straps is no big deal in other situations, I find SPDs even faster, and I do like SPDs, of all the mtb systems I've tried (basically, Grafton, Frogs, and various SPD clones). Gofast: the slotted cleats do migrate sideways; and I always have a hotspot on my left foot which is, I think, due to a pronated foot. I recently got a cheap and very nice pair of Shimano road shoes, and they felt very comfortable, so instead of trying to get them to work with the problematical Yellow Jersey slotted cleats, I went back to Looks which, of all clipless pedals, are, for me, noticeably more comfortable thanks to their big platform. They also feel more comfortable than the Sidis. I also like their very positive click-in. On the Riv commuter and the Motobecane grocery fixies, I keep the track pedals for use with my usual leather slip-ons with stiff leather insoles. On the occasional Schwinn Sprint grocery bike, I use rubber block pedals; but I shall sell that if anyone wants it. I may go back to the slotted cleats on the gofast; the difference between the Sidis + track pedals and the Shimanos + Looks is not huge. But for not, I am enjoying the nice, solid feel of the Looks. FWIW, I never found clipping into straps any problem, even on fixed gears (all my road bikes are fixed gears). I tighten the left strap and leave just enough wiggle room in the right that I can both insert my foot, and yank my foot out in an emergency, without releasing the buckle. On the commuters, with street shoes, I keep both straps snuggish but not binding, and this is tight enough to add retention but loose enough to allow entry and egress. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 1:50 PM, 40_Acres mgla...@gmail.com wrote: I feel as if I'm committing an act of heresy, but I'm very curious to hear others thoughts. I'm no stranger to riding in sneakers on platform pedals, or to using old-school quills and toe clips (with and without cycling-specific shoes). When I bought my AHH this Summer, I decided to give both platforms and quills a serious go of it. After 4.5 months I'm back to clipless pedals, even for short errands around town. Any fellow heretics out there? I use MKS Touring or Grip Kings on my daily commuter and 3-speed. My road bike (the Redwood), and mountain bike always have eggbeaters. For racing and sloppy or long rides, i like the security of having the shoes attached, otherwise i don't like to change shoes for short errands -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
I have tried several times to switch from clipless to MKS Touring pedals, and every time I go back to the clipless. I like the idea of the touring pedals, but on longer rides feel really inefficient and a little uncomfortable. I rode a borrowed bike this summer for a week long tour. The bike had MKS Sneaker pedals and they were great-- 90% of the issues I had with the Touring pedals were gone. I imagine the Grip Kings are even better. That said, I still have Look Keos on my road bike--they are comfortable, feel efficient, and I like the feeling of being attached to the bike on long steep downhills and long rides. I have no intention of changing them. I feel silly clicking my way though the convenience store, but that is the price you pay. Cheers, cm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
I started cycling late (at age 50) and with spds. I didn't really like them, so I switched a year or two later to Looks. Last year I decided that I was fed up with foot and toe cramps, and walking like a duck off the bike, so I went to sneakers which I tried in toeclips and Powergrips. I liked the Powergrips a lot better for a number of reasons, but this year decided to ditch them as well, and all year have been just pedaling in un attached shoes. I still push down with heels on climbs, and pedal in a circle. When I am not tired, I probably have about 2/3 of a useful orbit in the stroke, which is probably as good as my clipped in buddies. You really have to train to use all of a pedal circle. Yesterday for example, I had no trouble pushing a Saluki on GB Oursons (disclaimer: pumped to 65 psi) at 20 mph in a line with clipped in cyclists. I like being able to move my feet around on the pedals (Grip Kings) and of course, stops are never an issue. Cleats also draw heat out of my feet in cold weather. I am much warmer in leather cycling shoes (I use Mephisto walking shoes with wool socks) on platform pedals But you clipees are by no means heretics, and yes the A520 is a sharp looking pedal. From: 40_Acres mgla...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, October 12, 2009 1:50:39 PM Subject: [RBW] Clipless Pedals I feel as if I'm committing an act of heresy, but I'm very curious to hear others thoughts. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
It was wonderful to sell off all my old Look pedals/shoes/cleats a few years back (along with my tubular tires and wheels). Now I use solely (get it?) SPD or platform. Shimano A520 on my main road bikes. Very supportive for long rides. For mixed riding on my Allrounder and Quickbeam (commute/errands/longserious), I like the platform/SPD combo Shimano A530. Great pedal. Platforms are on my 3speed and mountain bike. The 3speed has the Grip Kings, a misnomer if there ever was one. I have found I really like BMX pedals on my mtn bike. When things get dicey, I am more willing to push it if I can immediately get my foot down off a platform pedal. Also I occasionally do hikes/jogs in the middle of a mtn bike ride and like to have a trail shoe for that. On Oct 12, 12:50 pm, 40_Acres mgla...@gmail.com wrote: I feel as if I'm committing an act of heresy, but I'm very curious to hear others thoughts. I'm no stranger to riding in sneakers on platform pedals, or to using old-school quills and toe clips (with and without cycling-specific shoes). When I bought my AHH this Summer, I decided to give both platforms and quills a serious go of it. After 4.5 months I'm back to clipless pedals, even for short errands around town. Any fellow heretics out there? On a related note with a different outcome, I went back to downtube shifting on the AHH. Love it. Brifters are great too, but I'm very happy with DT shifters. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
Riv BMX pedals on my errand bike, Be Bops on everything else, including my Hilsen. Tried AR 9's and toe clips for a while, didn't like 'em. Joel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
Writing from Guatemala, having ridden here from Vancouver Canada on a non-Riv, but lugged steel, handbuilt Canadian bicycle (700c wheels - next time 26 inch tourer). 7500 km including some brutal ascents. Using a pair of mountain bike SPDs with downhill pedals. The downhill pedals have a cage around them (PD-M545), which seems to offer some extra foot support. They are heavy, but so is the loaded bike. I like the mountain bike SPD shoes. Strong and durable and lots of support for the foot. If it wasn´t so hot, hiking boots on flat pedals probably as good. Runners have too soft a sole for me and wear out too quickly. The only real drawback with the spd shoes is that sometimes when I am very tired, I forget that I am clipped in - can be a little embarassing when falling off the bike at zero km/h. On Oct 12, 3:50 pm, 40_Acres mgla...@gmail.com wrote: I feel as if I'm committing an act of heresy, but I'm very curious to hear others thoughts. I'm no stranger to riding in sneakers on platform pedals, or to using old-school quills and toe clips (with and without cycling-specific shoes). When I bought my AHH this Summer, I decided to give both platforms and quills a serious go of it. After 4.5 months I'm back to clipless pedals, even for short errands around town. Any fellow heretics out there? On a related note with a different outcome, I went back to downtube shifting on the AHH. Love it. Brifters are great too, but I'm very happy with DT shifters. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
I think the important thing is to find what works for you, and what you are comfortable with, and do it regardless of what anyone else may think. What may feel inefficient to me, may feel great for someone else-- because we are talking about how they feel, not whether or not they are really inefficient. I don't think riding clipless is an act of heresy-- but doing it because that's what everybody else is doing might be. Cheers! cm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
MKS calls the Lambda pedals From: Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, October 12, 2009 3:39:09 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals The 3speed has the GripKings, a misnomer if there ever was one. I --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:50 PM, 40_Acres wrote: I feel as if I'm committing an act of heresy, but I'm very curious to hear others thoughts. I'm no stranger to riding in sneakers on platform pedals, or to using old-school quills and toe clips (with and without cycling-specific shoes). When I bought my AHH this Summer, I decided to give both platforms and quills a serious go of it. After 4.5 months I'm back to clipless pedals, even for short errands around town. Any fellow heretics out there? On my All-Rounder, tandem, road bike and cross bike you will observe Speedplay Frogs. On my 3 speed home-built commuter you will find Campy quill pedals and PowerGrips. In the winter that bike also gets Frogs to accommodate my Lake winter boots. I like to spin and clipless pedals work better for me for this. But it's nice to have at least one bike I can hop on and ride with almost any shoes. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
I've never had clips of any kind on a bike- though I have ridden someone's bike with toe-clips, but couldn't get used to it. I never have any problems with my feet slipping, except when riding bmx, and in those cases scars on my shins are a small price to pay compared to god-knows-what if I were clipped-in. :P On Oct 12, 6:39 pm, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:50 PM, 40_Acres wrote: I feel as if I'm committing an act of heresy, but I'm very curious to hear others thoughts. I'm no stranger to riding in sneakers on platform pedals, or to using old-school quills and toe clips (with and without cycling-specific shoes). When I bought my AHH this Summer, I decided to give both platforms and quills a serious go of it. After 4.5 months I'm back to clipless pedals, even for short errands around town. Any fellow heretics out there? On my All-Rounder, tandem, road bike and cross bike you will observe Speedplay Frogs. On my 3 speed home-built commuter you will find Campy quill pedals and PowerGrips. In the winter that bike also gets Frogs to accommodate my Lake winter boots. I like to spin and clipless pedals work better for me for this. But it's nice to have at least one bike I can hop on and ride with almost any shoes. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
This year, I've retrograded back to traditional quill pedals and toe clips. I started out with toe clips decades ago, succumbed to clipless in 1998, vascillated between clipless and toe clips once or twice a year, and this season, I've been all toe clip. At first, the retro switch came this spring when they started some serious road rebuilding where I live, making it necessary to walk my bike here and there (due to sharing narrow, temporary construction pathways with pedestrians). This rammed home what I've already known for years, and that is, walkable SPD or compatible shoes are not all that walkable except on the most perfectly smooth and even surfaces. A few too many crunching sessions made me decide to put my old Campy quill pedals back on, so I could ride with any ordinary athletic shoe. I've liked the freedom so much since that I have no intention of reverting back to clipless. Look, I like to ride fast, I spin and all that, but I know I can do that just as well with traditional pedals and toe clips. Pierre --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
