[RBW] Re: Compass 650B Tires - Standard Casing vs Extralight

2014-08-03 Thread Johnny Alien
A huge thanks to everyone that chimed in and I love the photos (those can 
certainly keep coming).  I did order up a set of the EL Loups based on this 
thread so hopefully they will be here shortly and I can make my own 
comments on them!

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[RBW] Re: Compass 650B Tires - Standard Casing vs Extralight

2014-08-02 Thread Johnny Alien
Wonderful..more options. :)  The description sounds like the extralight is 
more supple material but doesn't say it's any less thick so I am not sure 
if it's more flat prone or not.  Like I said the biggest thing is the all 
black is what I want.  This would be a no-brainer to go standard if it was 
in black.

On Saturday, August 2, 2014 11:10:14 AM UTC-4, Johnny Alien wrote:

 So I am going to get some new tires for my SH.  I have rocked a few tires 
 for this but most have been heavier weight sturdy tires of the Schwalbe and 
 Continental variety.  I really would like to get something lighter weight 
 and more supple so I have my eye on the fairly newish Compass line.  The 
 issue is that I prefer and all black tire to tan sides and in this line the 
 standard casing (which I have no issue with) only comes with tan sides.  I 
 do some trail riding but mainly loose gravel, rails to trails stuff and am 
 curious if the extralight would be flat prone.  I don't ride the trails as 
 often as the road but I do it often enough to want to keep it in mind. 
  Should I steer clear and suck it up and go with the tan sidewalls for the 
 extra security?  The site has little description on the differences and not 
 many people have used them for reviews.  The extralight is also $20 more so 
 I will be paying an upcharge for the all black look.


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[RBW] Re: Compass 650B Tires - Standard Casing vs Extralight

2014-08-02 Thread lungimsam


 Here is my Sam with tan sidewalls. Hetres. I think tan sidewalls are just 
 as good looking as black sidewalls, though. But you can see what yours may 
 look like if you have a blue Sam:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/14193457709/

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[RBW] Re: Compass 650B Tires - Standard Casing vs Extralight

2014-08-02 Thread lungimsam


 Read all about Compass tyres here, with many questions answered by Jan 
 Heine in the reader response area:

 
http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/02/22/introducing-the-full-line-of-compass-tires/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass 650B Tires - Standard Casing vs Extralight

2014-08-02 Thread Steve Palincsar

On 08/02/2014 12:04 PM, Johnny Alien wrote:
Wonderful..more options. :)  The description sounds like the 
extralight is more supple material but doesn't say it's any less thick 
so I am not sure if it's more flat prone or not.  Like I said the 
biggest thing is the all black is what I want.  This would be a 
no-brainer to go standard if it was in black.


Extralight casings use smaller diameter threads in the casing, and those 
smaller diameter threads are easier for a small piece of glass or a 
small sharp stone shard to cut, so yes they are more flat prone than the 
standard casings.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass 650B Tires - Standard Casing vs Extralight

2014-08-02 Thread Johnny Alien
The link posted above was a great resource. I had read the page before but 
not the comments.

Per Jan Heine in the comments the puncture resistance is exactly the same 
for both the standard and extralight however the thinner sides might be 
more prone to cuts.  He rides the extralight in light offroad conditions 
all the time with no issues.

That sounds good enough for me. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass 650B Tires - Standard Casing vs Extralight

2014-08-02 Thread Deacon Patrick
I've ridden the Barlow Pass lights on dirt and gravel roads to their 
practical limit and have not had an issue with them. Here are pictures from 
a typical ride, though I don't show much of what the road conditions are. 
You'll get the idea. 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157644812056819/

I've actually been debating selling mine as I prefer the Clement MSOs for 
the riding I do. Greater confidence in the looser/steeper stuff.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, August 2, 2014 3:58:25 PM UTC-6, Johnny Alien wrote:

 The link posted above was a great resource. I had read the page before but 
 not the comments.

 Per Jan Heine in the comments the puncture resistance is exactly the same 
 for both the standard and extralight however the thinner sides might be 
 more prone to cuts.  He rides the extralight in light offroad conditions 
 all the time with no issues.

 That sounds good enough for me. 


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[RBW] Re: Compass 650B Tires - Standard Casing vs Extralight

2014-08-02 Thread Matthew J
I have 700C not 650B.  Went from Cyores to Extra Light.  Els are noticeably 
better.  Expect 650B is similar.

On Saturday, August 2, 2014 10:10:14 AM UTC-5, Johnny Alien wrote:

 So I am going to get some new tires for my SH.  I have rocked a few tires 
 for this but most have been heavier weight sturdy tires of the Schwalbe and 
 Continental variety.  I really would like to get something lighter weight 
 and more supple so I have my eye on the fairly newish Compass line.  The 
 issue is that I prefer and all black tire to tan sides and in this line the 
 standard casing (which I have no issue with) only comes with tan sides.  I 
 do some trail riding but mainly loose gravel, rails to trails stuff and am 
 curious if the extralight would be flat prone.  I don't ride the trails as 
 often as the road but I do it often enough to want to keep it in mind. 
  Should I steer clear and suck it up and go with the tan sidewalls for the 
 extra security?  The site has little description on the differences and not 
 many people have used them for reviews.  The extralight is also $20 more so 
 I will be paying an upcharge for the all black look.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass 650B Tires - Standard Casing vs Extralight

2014-08-02 Thread Flynn, Hugh
I'm another 700c rider chiming in, but I just completed a 4 day tour on Compass 
Barlow Pass ELs through northern Idaho, into Montana, and back. Our biggest 
climbing day was over Lookout Pass in Montana over ATV trails which included 
nearly 6000 feet of fast decent over rocky trails. The gravel ranged from pea 
gravel to baseball-sized rocks and everything in between, and the ELs held up 
wonderfully. I was nervous about heading out into the mountains with 
extra-light tires, but they rode as well as everyone says and they performed 
very well. 

I only have a week on mine, so I can't say anything about longevity, but I was 
WILDLY impressed with the fact that they held up without visible nicks or cuts 
through that abuse. Not sure if this helps, but that's my 2 cents about ELs. 

Hugh Flynn
Newburyport, MA




On Aug 2, 2014, at 9:41 PM, Anton Tutter atut...@gmail.com wrote:

 I rode regular Hetres on lots of dirt and gravel, and never got a flat 
 (except once after walking my bike through some thorny bramble, but it wasn't 
 gravel).
 
 Then I switched to the extralights and noticed a large sidewall nick after 
 the third gravel ride.
 
 Then I switched to the Compass Babyshoe Pass extralights and have ridden them 
 on at least 500 miles of gravel so far, with no issues, even when bombing 
 down a gravel stretch at 40mph.
 
 Here's a typical gravel segment these tires see:
 
 
 
 
 
 And for what it's worth, the Babyshoe Pass E-L's are a supremely fast and 
 smooth riding tire.
 
 Anton
 
   
 
 On Saturday, August 2, 2014 11:10:14 AM UTC-4, Johnny Alien wrote:
 So I am going to get some new tires for my SH.  I have rocked a few tires for 
 this but most have been heavier weight sturdy tires of the Schwalbe and 
 Continental variety.  I really would like to get something lighter weight and 
 more supple so I have my eye on the fairly newish Compass line.  The issue is 
 that I prefer and all black tire to tan sides and in this line the standard 
 casing (which I have no issue with) only comes with tan sides.  I do some 
 trail riding but mainly loose gravel, rails to trails stuff and am curious if 
 the extralight would be flat prone.  I don't ride the trails as often as the 
 road but I do it often enough to want to keep it in mind.  Should I steer 
 clear and suck it up and go with the tan sidewalls for the extra security?  
 The site has little description on the differences and not many people have 
 used them for reviews.  The extralight is also $20 more so I will be paying 
 an upcharge for the all black look.
 
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