[RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Ron Mc]

here's the Nitto catalog  
http://nitto-tokyo.sakura.ne.jp/No29-2015.pdf

On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 9:42:09 AM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Also see NITTOs own  rack page for details:
> http://nitto-tokyo.sakura.ne.jp/carrier-E.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/20/2015 10:37 AM, Lungimsam wrote:

Also there is a Berthoud sidepulls rack but I would not use one per Tony 
DeFillipos post about the design flaw that appears to be a safety hazard?



You know, I used that exact rack (not exactly the same, but /the very/ 
rack) for thousands of miles without a problem.  The trouble with that 
rack was an installation failure.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Toshi Takeuchi]

He's just a slow 650b Ram adopter :).

Toshi


On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Sorry I missed the detail that this is for your Ram.
>
> Bill
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[John Hawrylak]

I have the *VO Pass Hunter Front Rack with Integrated Decaleur *and have it 
mounted on my 1988 Panasonic Schwinn Voyageur (cantilevers, fork crown 
hole) and I use the VO champagne front bag with it and it's 'integrated 
decaleur'.

Here are my thoughts:

1  It barely fit on the studs and holes.  Had to open the arms a little to 
fit the studs and bend the fork crown rod very slightly. 

2  It is LEVEL, but if it isn't it would had to correct.

3  The bottom of rack is about 18mm (measured) above the fender (SKS on a 
27" wheel).  I was hoping for rack to cloer to wheel.  A 700C whell and 
fender would increase the clearance even more.

4  It does not have a front enter mount for a light.  I have a B Eyc and 
still trying to mount it.

5  It looks nice and the price was reasonable.

6  The 'integrated decaleur' works well to easily remove and install the 
bag.

7  The BIGGEST PROBLEM is the 'integrated decaleur' does NOT have enough 
open tube length to allow the VO Campagne bag to "lift up" to it's max 
height of 20cm.  The tubes are about 15mm TOO SHORT.  I use a 13mm piece of 
the SS SKS fender strut rod, dropped into the tube to limit the downward 
travel of the 'integrated decaleur' pins,  This allows the bag to fully 
lifted up. The tubes need to be 15 mm longer.
I e-mailed VO, but got NO SATISFACTION, just questions about measuring the 
height of the tubes, and that batch may NOT have used the right length 
(they seem VERY WEAK on the QC, basically it's what the vendor gave them) 
and they do not appear to care.  It seems THEIR bag and rack should work to 
fully extend the bag.  Fortunately, there is adequate friction between the 
tube and the pins to restrict upward motion so the bag does not 'fly' up.

8  The 'integrated decaleur' does not allow the leather piece on the back 
to slide over the 'tombstone portion".  You have to leather strap they 
supply around the tombstone and thru the leather patch.

I* think a Nitto Marks Rack with a Berthoud Decaleur du Sac for Quill Stem 
(GB91H, in my case with Nitto 225 mm Technomic (10 cm length & 23 cm stem 
CL to rack) would be a better option than the VO rack.  The Nitto struts 
allow the rack to be leveled at a lower height and the GB91H supports the 
VO bag at its max height extension.*

I can supply photos if needed.

VO is OK, not very detailed.  You get what you pay for.  The VO rack 
carries the VO very good with a 13 mm pin dropped down the tube to limit 
the decaleur pin travel.  They could have easily fixed, but apparently 
choose no to bother (blissfully unaware).

I would avoid their frames, based on this experience. * VO talks the talk, 
but don't quite walk it.*

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ  
 

On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 7:32:26 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:

> Nitto seems to be intent on confusing people and making it hard to get 
>  info on their product line.  A recent post noted that "campee" was a line 
> of racks, which I found helpful because I have seen many different racks 
> listed under that name.  Unfortunately the individual racks don't seem to 
> have a first name!
>
> I'm just as confused by the front rack offerings, which have alpha-numeric 
> designations. The M12 is for cantis.  I understand that the Mark's Rack is 
> also sold as an M1.  Ben's Cycle lists an M18, which looks just like the M1 
> but is $20 cheaper.  I think I remember seeing an M14 but not what it is. 
>  What else lives out there?
>
> I just sprang for the Honjo Hammered fenders to replace cream longboards 
> on my Ram (didn't like the color combo or plastic in general.)  and thought 
> I would replace the Mark's rack at the same time with a nice rack that has 
> a fender mount underneath.  What are the best options for a front rack to 
> work with CP or SP brakes?  The VO constructuer looks good and I love the 
> Nitto Campee with the removable low riders on my tandem but don't need the 
> low riders and $200+ feels like a lot to replace a small rack.  
>
> Michael
>

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[RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Lynne Fitz]

I have had excellent success attaching my front fender to my Mark's Rack. 
 The hardest part was figuring out which wine cork to use.

I used a long-enough bolt on the outermost bolt on the slidey part, drilled 
a hole through a wine cork, and then a hole in the proper part of the front 
fender.

Pictures:
https://flic.kr/p/xWjwK2
https://flic.kr/p/yAAemG

Bike is the Bleriot, repainted after reconstruction after the crash.  That 
really is a Mark's rack; I've just got a Platrack attached to it.

On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 4:32:26 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Nitto seems to be intent on confusing people and making it hard to get 
>  info on their product line.  A recent post noted that "campee" was a line 
> of racks, which I found helpful because I have seen many different racks 
> listed under that name.  Unfortunately the individual racks don't seem to 
> have a first name!
>
> I'm just as confused by the front rack offerings, which have alpha-numeric 
> designations. The M12 is for cantis.  I understand that the Mark's Rack is 
> also sold as an M1.  Ben's Cycle lists an M18, which looks just like the M1 
> but is $20 cheaper.  I think I remember seeing an M14 but not what it is. 
>  What else lives out there?
>
> I just sprang for the Honjo Hammered fenders to replace cream longboards 
> on my Ram (didn't like the color combo or plastic in general.)  and thought 
> I would replace the Mark's rack at the same time with a nice rack that has 
> a fender mount underneath.  What are the best options for a front rack to 
> work with CP or SP brakes?  The VO constructuer looks good and I love the 
> Nitto Campee with the removable low riders on my tandem but don't need the 
> low riders and $200+ feels like a lot to replace a small rack.  
>
> Michael
>

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[RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Lynne Fitz]

Oh, and Silver brakes.  Mark's Rack is a wonderful thing.

On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 4:32:26 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Nitto seems to be intent on confusing people and making it hard to get 
>  info on their product line.  A recent post noted that "campee" was a line 
> of racks, which I found helpful because I have seen many different racks 
> listed under that name.  Unfortunately the individual racks don't seem to 
> have a first name!
>
> I'm just as confused by the front rack offerings, which have alpha-numeric 
> designations. The M12 is for cantis.  I understand that the Mark's Rack is 
> also sold as an M1.  Ben's Cycle lists an M18, which looks just like the M1 
> but is $20 cheaper.  I think I remember seeing an M14 but not what it is. 
>  What else lives out there?
>
> I just sprang for the Honjo Hammered fenders to replace cream longboards 
> on my Ram (didn't like the color combo or plastic in general.)  and thought 
> I would replace the Mark's rack at the same time with a nice rack that has 
> a fender mount underneath.  What are the best options for a front rack to 
> work with CP or SP brakes?  The VO constructuer looks good and I love the 
> Nitto Campee with the removable low riders on my tandem but don't need the 
> low riders and $200+ feels like a lot to replace a small rack.  
>
> Michael
>

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[RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Bill Lindsay]

Sorry I missed the detail that this is for your Ram. 

Bill

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[RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Michael Hechmer]

Thanks for the clue about the width.

The rack hold a large Bertoud bag.  

I see that the M18 has only one mounting point for the strut, but for a 
front bag that really is all you need.

Canti racks require an available drilled fork crown and often attach to the 
brakes, so those, like the M12 only work with canti brakes.

Michael


On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 7:59:15 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>
>   Michael, The Nitto M18 Ben's offers is not the same as the M1 .  It does 
> not have the second set of struts for mounting.  
>
> Here is the Nitto M14 
> http://sprockets.uk.com/nitto-m14-rear-bicycle-luggage-rack/
>
> It differs from the Riv R14 in that it(M14) has extra hoop for bag support 
> . 
>
> .and not to be confused with the no longer sold Nitto 2 strut front 
> rack , which is similar to the M14 but minus the side strap loops and plus 
> the extra set of struts !  
>
> The Campee carrier line probably have some method to it's madness , but 
> I've never pursued them enough to made sense of it ! 
>
> It appears to me the confusion is much in the language translation and 
> Nitto sells some different products in different markets worldwide. Plus 
> they custom models for certain retailers . 
>
>
> As for wanting a front rack, specify exactly what you want it for , 
> meaning what size and kind of bags .  This will determine the "best" rack 
> for you.  The top racks of the VO are only 4" wide, narrower than the 
> Nitto's.  Most racks are not dependent on brake type. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Lungimsam]

Also see NITTOs own  rack page for details:
http://nitto-tokyo.sakura.ne.jp/carrier-E.html

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[RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Lungimsam]

Also there is a Berthoud sidepulls rack but I would not use one per Tony 
DeFillipos post about the design flaw that appears to be a safety hazard?

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[RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Garth]

  Michael, The Nitto M18 Ben's offers is not the same as the M1 .  It does 
not have the second set of struts for mounting.  

Here is the Nitto M14 
http://sprockets.uk.com/nitto-m14-rear-bicycle-luggage-rack/

It differs from the Riv R14 in that it(M14) has extra hoop for bag support 
. 

.and not to be confused with the no longer sold Nitto 2 strut front 
rack , which is similar to the M14 but minus the side strap loops and plus 
the extra set of struts !  

The Campee carrier line probably have some method to it's madness , but 
I've never pursued them enough to made sense of it ! 

It appears to me the confusion is much in the language translation and 
Nitto sells some different products in different markets worldwide. Plus 
they custom models for certain retailers . 


As for wanting a front rack, specify exactly what you want it for , meaning 
what size and kind of bags .  This will determine the "best" rack for you.  
The top racks of the VO are only 4" wide, narrower than the Nitto's.  Most 
racks are not dependent on brake type. 

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[RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Garth]

Fortunately Nitto offers redundancy for the small front racks all using the 
same size platform .  The M12 appears best for a specific purpose/fit, 
while the others are more much flexible in where to mount and at what angle 
.  The M1 rack is the most versatile of all , as for example, with my Bomba 
I prefer no connection to the middle fork crown , instead use the two on 
the top sides.  If I used the middle tang it would get in the way of the 
cable hanger as my hanger is very low . If your hanger is high then it 
doesn't matter.   I mount the 2 strut version the similarly on a another 
bike , but with 2 struts using p-clamps just under the canti mounts. 



The Berthoud bags do not have straps on the bottom do they ?  This means 
they are meant to be used with a decaleur of some sorts to secure it. The 
platform size difference won't matter that much for a decaleur mounted bag. 
If Berthoud made provision for bottom straps you wouldn't need a decaleur , 
but as far as I've seen in researching them this is omitted for some 
perplexing reason .  Thus, they can be "improved upon" :)  !!


On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 8:18:50 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Thanks for the clue about the width.
>
> The rack hold a large Bertoud bag.  
>
> I see that the M18 has only one mounting point for the strut, but for a 
> front bag that really is all you need.
>
> Canti racks require an available drilled fork crown and often attach to 
> the brakes, so those, like the M12 only work with canti brakes.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 7:59:15 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>>   Michael, The Nitto M18 Ben's offers is not the same as the M1 .  It 
>> does not have the second set of struts for mounting.  
>>
>> Here is the Nitto M14 
>> http://sprockets.uk.com/nitto-m14-rear-bicycle-luggage-rack/
>>
>> It differs from the Riv R14 in that it(M14) has extra hoop for bag 
>> support . 
>>
>> .and not to be confused with the no longer sold Nitto 2 strut front 
>> rack , which is similar to the M14 but minus the side strap loops and plus 
>> the extra set of struts !  
>>
>> The Campee carrier line probably have some method to it's madness , but 
>> I've never pursued them enough to made sense of it ! 
>>
>> It appears to me the confusion is much in the language translation and 
>> Nitto sells some different products in different markets worldwide. Plus 
>> they custom models for certain retailers . 
>>
>>
>> As for wanting a front rack, specify exactly what you want it for , 
>> meaning what size and kind of bags .  This will determine the "best" rack 
>> for you.  The top racks of the VO are only 4" wide, narrower than the 
>> Nitto's.  Most racks are not dependent on brake type. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Lungimsam]

See here:
http://nitto-tokyo.sakura.ne.jp/carrier-E.html

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[RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Garth]

   I'm sure you must know of the VO front racks with decaleurs , it seems a 
good option if your don't have a bar mounted one.

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[RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Ron Mc]

Nitto has a model number for everything.  Campee is the name of a line of 
heavy duty racks.  The confusion lies with Ben's listing, rather than 
Nitto's model designation.  
Nitto makes an M-12 and an M-13, which are the same front racks with 
different clearance.  The latter is tough to find, but there is one 
importer in the US.  

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[RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[David Banzer]

M12 and M13 are canti mounted racks, but are slightly different designs. 
The M13 has 2 versions based on clearance 
(https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/racks/compass-m-13-front-rack-cantilever-brakes/).
 

Nitto added 2 more similar racks, NF-21 & NF-22, for 26" & 27" wheels 
respectively (http://boulderbicycle.bike/Nitto-Racks-and-hardware/)
Certainly can get confusing.
David
Chicago

On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 7:58:35 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Nitto has a model number for everything.  Campee is the name of a line of 
> heavy duty racks.  The confusion lies with Ben's listing, rather than 
> Nitto's model designation.  
> Nitto makes an M-12 and an M-13, which are the same front racks with 
> different clearance.  The latter is tough to find, but there is one 
> importer in the US.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Lungimsam]

Side pull bike front racks:

Marks Rack- double adjustable strut tabs, light mount tab in front. 4.4lb. 
Weight limit with one strut setup.  ~6lbs. with two strut setup as told by RBW 
employee. No fender mount point. Strut tab mount to brake bolt direct requires 
no bending.

M18- one adjustable strut setup only. No light tab in front. Max weight 
capacity 17.6 lbs. according to NITTO no fender mount point. Strut tab mount to 
brake bolt direct requires no bending.

VO Randonner- one fixed strut setup. Fender mounting point. 4 light mounting 
eyelets. ~15lbs. Weight capacity as told by VO employee. Strut tab mount to 
brake bolt direct requires bending to arch it clear over side pull arms.

Soma champs elysses- not sure. See their site.

This was what I found to be available on the market for front side pull racks 
in fall of 2014. Not sure if anything else is available nowadays for sidepulls.

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[RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Michael Hechmer]

Well thank you Bill, and BTW, I will be in ElCerrito 10/21 - 11/6.  

I'm looking for a new rack for my Ram, which has 700 x 29 Compass tires. 
 The bike already has a Bertoud decaleur so I'm not looking for the 
"integrated" ones, which don't work with bags taller than 22 cm anyway.

I have VO fenders and the integrated decaleur on my Saluki.  I don't use 
the integration with an Acorn bag, but the rack and fenders seem fine.

I do have one of those L shaped fender brackets in my stash but never 
thought to use it on the M1.  I have to think about that.

Yes Honjo fenders are an effort to mount, but at least once you get it 
right they stay in place wonderfully.

Michael



On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 2:03:13 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Michael
>
> It definitely can be frustrating if you long for a single webpage with all 
> possible rack options.  I agree with your that it seems logical that 
> somebody would dedicate a webpage to all possible Nitto offerings.  I 
> haven't found one either.  American retailers all stock the subset that 
> they want to stock.  Maybe one of them would PDF scan whatever catalog they 
> are looking at and share it.  It would be nice.  
>
> I think the main thrust of your OP was more tactical.  What should you do 
> for a front rack solution?  I'll just offer this option.
>
> When I put hammered Honjos on my 650B Rivendell with SP brakes, I elected 
> to mount the fender to My Mark's rack with a Honjo L-Bracket fixed to the 
> front tab.  That bolt fired through the L-bracket and the front lamp 
> bracket.  The other thing I found when executing that project, is that I 
> could not achieve the kind of clearances around Hetres that I wanted, so I 
> moved to 38mm tires.  I bring it up because I know you don't like being 
> frustrated by things, and I see a few additional opportunities for 
> frustration.  They are:
>
> 1.  Dang it, it's hard to find info about all possible racks
> 2.  dang it, there's no front rack out there that works with sidepull 
> brakes, and mid fork braze ons, and can be leveled close to the fender, and 
> has a fender mount on it
> 3.  dang it, Honjos are hard to install
> 4.  dang it, my Honjos don't fit in my hetres
>
> Anyway, I'm offering an option for number 2.  Here's my flickr album.  At 
> least that would allow you to keep the great rack you already have.  Honjo 
> Install 
> 
>
> It's my opinion that the only rack option that would be superior to a 
> Marks Rack on a 650B Rivendell would be a custom
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 4:32:26 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> Nitto seems to be intent on confusing people and making it hard to get 
>>  info on their product line.  A recent post noted that "campee" was a line 
>> of racks, which I found helpful because I have seen many different racks 
>> listed under that name.  Unfortunately the individual racks don't seem to 
>> have a first name!
>>
>> I'm just as confused by the front rack offerings, which have 
>> alpha-numeric designations. The M12 is for cantis.  I understand that the 
>> Mark's Rack is also sold as an M1.  Ben's Cycle lists an M18, which looks 
>> just like the M1 but is $20 cheaper.  I think I remember seeing an M14 but 
>> not what it is.  What else lives out there?
>>
>> I just sprang for the Honjo Hammered fenders to replace cream longboards 
>> on my Ram (didn't like the color combo or plastic in general.)  and thought 
>> I would replace the Mark's rack at the same time with a nice rack that has 
>> a fender mount underneath.  What are the best options for a front rack to 
>> work with CP or SP brakes?  The VO constructuer looks good and I love the 
>> Nitto Campee with the removable low riders on my tandem but don't need the 
>> low riders and $200+ feels like a lot to replace a small rack.  
>>
>> Michael
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Mark Wilkins]

Michael:

I've long had the VO Randonneur front rack on my 60cm Ram (attached
with p-clamps), as well as the VO Constructeur on the rear.  I've
always run Giles Berthoud SS fenders under them, attached at the
racks' fender mounts.

Functionally, I've never had a problem with the racks.  The
finish/welds were never up to Nitto standards, to my eye.  Of course,
I bought these many years ago (eight, maybe?).  They may have improved
now.

These days, if I was buying VO again, I might lean toward the
Constructeur on the front.  I'm less interested in using p-clamps than
I used to be, and there are no mid-fork eyelets on my Ram.

Mark


On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> Well thank you Bill, and BTW, I will be in ElCerrito 10/21 - 11/6.
>
> I'm looking for a new rack for my Ram, which has 700 x 29 Compass tires.
> The bike already has a Bertoud decaleur so I'm not looking for the
> "integrated" ones, which don't work with bags taller than 22 cm anyway.
>
> I have VO fenders and the integrated decaleur on my Saluki.  I don't use the
> integration with an Acorn bag, but the rack and fenders seem fine.
>
> I do have one of those L shaped fender brackets in my stash but never
> thought to use it on the M1.  I have to think about that.
>
> Yes Honjo fenders are an effort to mount, but at least once you get it right
> they stay in place wonderfully.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 2:03:13 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> It definitely can be frustrating if you long for a single webpage with all
>> possible rack options.  I agree with your that it seems logical that
>> somebody would dedicate a webpage to all possible Nitto offerings.  I
>> haven't found one either.  American retailers all stock the subset that they
>> want to stock.  Maybe one of them would PDF scan whatever catalog they are
>> looking at and share it.  It would be nice.
>>
>> I think the main thrust of your OP was more tactical.  What should you do
>> for a front rack solution?  I'll just offer this option.
>>
>> When I put hammered Honjos on my 650B Rivendell with SP brakes, I elected
>> to mount the fender to My Mark's rack with a Honjo L-Bracket fixed to the
>> front tab.  That bolt fired through the L-bracket and the front lamp
>> bracket.  The other thing I found when executing that project, is that I
>> could not achieve the kind of clearances around Hetres that I wanted, so I
>> moved to 38mm tires.  I bring it up because I know you don't like being
>> frustrated by things, and I see a few additional opportunities for
>> frustration.  They are:
>>
>> 1.  Dang it, it's hard to find info about all possible racks
>> 2.  dang it, there's no front rack out there that works with sidepull
>> brakes, and mid fork braze ons, and can be leveled close to the fender, and
>> has a fender mount on it
>> 3.  dang it, Honjos are hard to install
>> 4.  dang it, my Honjos don't fit in my hetres
>>
>> Anyway, I'm offering an option for number 2.  Here's my flickr album.  At
>> least that would allow you to keep the great rack you already have.  Honjo
>> Install
>>
>> It's my opinion that the only rack option that would be superior to a
>> Marks Rack on a 650B Rivendell would be a custom
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 4:32:26 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>>
>>> Nitto seems to be intent on confusing people and making it hard to get
>>> info on their product line.  A recent post noted that "campee" was a line of
>>> racks, which I found helpful because I have seen many different racks listed
>>> under that name.  Unfortunately the individual racks don't seem to have a
>>> first name!
>>>
>>> I'm just as confused by the front rack offerings, which have
>>> alpha-numeric designations. The M12 is for cantis.  I understand that the
>>> Mark's Rack is also sold as an M1.  Ben's Cycle lists an M18, which looks
>>> just like the M1 but is $20 cheaper.  I think I remember seeing an M14 but
>>> not what it is.  What else lives out there?
>>>
>>> I just sprang for the Honjo Hammered fenders to replace cream longboards
>>> on my Ram (didn't like the color combo or plastic in general.)  and thought
>>> I would replace the Mark's rack at the same time with a nice rack that has a
>>> fender mount underneath.  What are the best options for a front rack to work
>>> with CP or SP brakes?  The VO constructuer looks good and I love the Nitto
>>> Campee with the removable low riders on my tandem but don't need the low
>>> riders and $200+ feels like a lot to replace a small rack.
>>>
>>> Michael
>
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[RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Evan Baird]

Nitto doesn't actually use any of the cutsie Rivendell names domestically.

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[RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Michael Hechmer]

If that's the official Nitto page, I rest my case.  Not much info and not 
even a full product line.  Looks like it was last updated in 2004!
Michael

On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 10:42:09 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Also see NITTOs own  rack page for details:
> http://nitto-tokyo.sakura.ne.jp/carrier-E.html

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[RBW] Re: Confused by Nitto

[Bill Lindsay]

Michael

It definitely can be frustrating if you long for a single webpage with all 
possible rack options.  I agree with your that it seems logical that 
somebody would dedicate a webpage to all possible Nitto offerings.  I 
haven't found one either.  American retailers all stock the subset that 
they want to stock.  Maybe one of them would PDF scan whatever catalog they 
are looking at and share it.  It would be nice.  

I think the main thrust of your OP was more tactical.  What should you do 
for a front rack solution?  I'll just offer this option.

When I put hammered Honjos on my 650B Rivendell with SP brakes, I elected 
to mount the fender to My Mark's rack with a Honjo L-Bracket fixed to the 
front tab.  That bolt fired through the L-bracket and the front lamp 
bracket.  The other thing I found when executing that project, is that I 
could not achieve the kind of clearances around Hetres that I wanted, so I 
moved to 38mm tires.  I bring it up because I know you don't like being 
frustrated by things, and I see a few additional opportunities for 
frustration.  They are:

1.  Dang it, it's hard to find info about all possible racks
2.  dang it, there's no front rack out there that works with sidepull 
brakes, and mid fork braze ons, and can be leveled close to the fender, and 
has a fender mount on it
3.  dang it, Honjos are hard to install
4.  dang it, my Honjos don't fit in my hetres

Anyway, I'm offering an option for number 2.  Here's my flickr album.  At 
least that would allow you to keep the great rack you already have.  Honjo 
Install 


It's my opinion that the only rack option that would be superior to a Marks 
Rack on a 650B Rivendell would be a custom

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA  







On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 4:32:26 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Nitto seems to be intent on confusing people and making it hard to get 
>  info on their product line.  A recent post noted that "campee" was a line 
> of racks, which I found helpful because I have seen many different racks 
> listed under that name.  Unfortunately the individual racks don't seem to 
> have a first name!
>
> I'm just as confused by the front rack offerings, which have alpha-numeric 
> designations. The M12 is for cantis.  I understand that the Mark's Rack is 
> also sold as an M1.  Ben's Cycle lists an M18, which looks just like the M1 
> but is $20 cheaper.  I think I remember seeing an M14 but not what it is. 
>  What else lives out there?
>
> I just sprang for the Honjo Hammered fenders to replace cream longboards 
> on my Ram (didn't like the color combo or plastic in general.)  and thought 
> I would replace the Mark's rack at the same time with a nice rack that has 
> a fender mount underneath.  What are the best options for a front rack to 
> work with CP or SP brakes?  The VO constructuer looks good and I love the 
> Nitto Campee with the removable low riders on my tandem but don't need the 
> low riders and $200+ feels like a lot to replace a small rack.  
>
> Michael
>

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