[RBW] Re: Decent $500-$600 off the shelf bike???

2013-04-11 Thread Peter Pesce
Torker also makes some good stuff in this price range:
www.torkerusa.com/bikes/commute/


On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 4:12:26 PM UTC-4, EastBayGuy wrote:

 So my little sister is looking into getting a new/First bike. she plans on 
 going on a few S240's and will be commuting in the somewhat flat Davis, Ca 
 area. She is on a College Grad/working at Panera Budget.

 My question is does anyone have any recommendations for a decent off the 
 shelf bike that is capable of strapping some gear onto and heading into the 
 hills?

 Thanks in Advance..

 Dustin G 
 WC Ca


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[RBW] Re: Decent $500-$600 off the shelf bike???

2013-04-11 Thread Zack
I would strongly recommend going the used/craigslist route.  Such a better 
value, she can get SUCH a better bike going that way, even if she wants to 
take it to the LBS to get a full tune-up/service.

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[RBW] Re: Decent $500-$600 off the shelf bike???

2013-04-11 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I would strongly disagree with Zack. Buying used is not a good idea. There 
are just too many risks, too much screwing around, and too much pressure to 
make a quick decision (selecting from a limited number of choices) for the 
novice used bike shopper. Better to buy something new from a bike shop. It 
need not be steel, or even Riv-ish. Chances are, unless she has already 
drunk the Kool-aid, the bike she chooses won't be even remotely Riv-ish, 
which is fine.

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:58:48 AM UTC-5, Zack wrote:

 I would strongly recommend going the used/craigslist route.  Such a better 
 value, she can get SUCH a better bike going that way, even if she wants to 
 take it to the LBS to get a full tune-up/service.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Decent $500-$600 off the shelf bike???

2013-04-11 Thread Peter Morgano
I dunno Jim if that kind of fear is warranted. If this person has access to
a decent wrench most bike repairs are pretty straight forward, in my
experience.
On Apr 11, 2013 7:34 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
wrote:

 I would strongly disagree with Zack. Buying used is not a good idea. There
 are just too many risks, too much screwing around, and too much pressure to
 make a quick decision (selecting from a limited number of choices) for the
 novice used bike shopper. Better to buy something new from a bike shop. It
 need not be steel, or even Riv-ish. Chances are, unless she has already
 drunk the Kool-aid, the bike she chooses won't be even remotely Riv-ish,
 which is fine.

 On Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:58:48 AM UTC-5, Zack wrote:

 I would strongly recommend going the used/craigslist route.  Such a
 better value, she can get SUCH a better bike going that way, even if she
 wants to take it to the LBS to get a full tune-up/service.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Decent $500-$600 off the shelf bike???

2013-04-11 Thread cyclotourist
She has access to these good people as well:
http://www.davisbikecollective.org/

But I get where Jim's coming from. I presume a lot about bike selection,
fit and maintenance that maybe I shouldn't.

Cheers,
David



On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote:

 I dunno Jim if that kind of fear is warranted. If this person has access
 to a decent wrench most bike repairs are pretty straight forward, in my
 experience.
 On Apr 11, 2013 7:34 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
 thill@gmail.com wrote:

 I would strongly disagree with Zack. Buying used is not a good idea.
 There are just too many risks, too much screwing around, and too much
 pressure to make a quick decision (selecting from a limited number of
 choices) for the novice used bike shopper. Better to buy something new from
 a bike shop. It need not be steel, or even Riv-ish. Chances are, unless
 she has already drunk the Kool-aid, the bike she chooses won't be even
 remotely Riv-ish, which is fine.

 On Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:58:48 AM UTC-5, Zack wrote:

 I would strongly recommend going the used/craigslist route.  Such a
 better value, she can get SUCH a better bike going that way, even if she
 wants to take it to the LBS to get a full tune-up/service.

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[RBW] Re: Decent $500-$600 off the shelf bike???

2013-04-11 Thread RJM
How tall is she?  I have a Novara Safari sitting around not doing anything 
and it would be fine for something like that. It's a small one though. 
 

On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:12:26 PM UTC-5, EastBayGuy wrote:

 So my little sister is looking into getting a new/First bike. she plans on 
 going on a few S240's and will be commuting in the somewhat flat Davis, Ca 
 area. She is on a College Grad/working at Panera Budget.

 My question is does anyone have any recommendations for a decent off the 
 shelf bike that is capable of strapping some gear onto and heading into the 
 hills?

 Thanks in Advance..

 Dustin G 
 WC Ca


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Re: [RBW] Re: Decent $500-$600 off the shelf bike???

2013-04-11 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Who is doing the buying and setup? Stevie's, where I have just started
working, has that Nishiki Mixte, tuned, for $180 plus tax -- just one
example. I've bought very nice schlep around bikes -- Raleigh Sportses,
Schwinn Collegiates, Surburbans, and ilk, Nishiki mixte, etc, etc, etc,
from Goodwill, all in good condition, all for under $60 (an some for
$24.95) and, even if needing some work, easily tuned and lubed and adjusted
by even a semi-competent mechanic.

It all depends on the selection available and who is buying and
refurbishing.

That said, there are all sorts of nice off-the-shelf basic bikes.

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
thill@gmail.com wrote:

 I would strongly disagree with Zack. Buying used is not a good idea. There
 are just too many risks, too much screwing around, and too much pressure to
 make a quick decision (selecting from a limited number of choices) for the
 novice used bike shopper. Better to buy something new from a bike shop. It
 need not be steel, or even Riv-ish. Chances are, unless she has already
 drunk the Kool-aid, the bike she chooses won't be even remotely Riv-ish,
 which is fine.


 On Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:58:48 AM UTC-5, Zack wrote:

 I would strongly recommend going the used/craigslist route.  Such a
 better value, she can get SUCH a better bike going that way, even if she
 wants to take it to the LBS to get a full tune-up/service.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Decent $500-$600 off the shelf bike???

2013-04-11 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I admit to harboring a stereotype that this young woman just wants a 
comfortable, reliable bike to ride, and does not care to get into a project 
refurbing an obscure antique. Perhaps I'm wrong. 

I realize that some used bikes are a good deal, and need little or no TLC to be 
a good rider. But it takes some skill to identify these. And even if you only 
find high quality used bikes on your local CL, it's easy to feel pressured to 
buy one that isn't ideal. At a bigger shop, at least a customer could try 
several bikes side by side. Plus, there's a warranty, maybe a deal on 
accessories, etc.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Decent $500-$600 off the shelf bike???

2013-04-11 Thread Peter Morgano
Well while I doubt she wants to rebuild the SA hub on a Raleigh Sprite
there are many levels of used bikes. I got a late 90s motobecane about 10
years ago that someone had traded in for their new ride. LBS gave it a good
tune up and said it had something like a 30 day warranty to see if anything
went major wrong. I rode it for a long time and it was a sweet ride, so
sweet someone else really liked and stole it...  :( I believe I paid $175,
spent 40 on a decent seat and 20 on some new brake pads, so $200ish for a
bike I never would have been able to afford in the late 90s new.


On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
thill@gmail.com wrote:

 I admit to harboring a stereotype that this young woman just wants a
 comfortable, reliable bike to ride, and does not care to get into a project
 refurbing an obscure antique. Perhaps I'm wrong.

 I realize that some used bikes are a good deal, and need little or no TLC
 to be a good rider. But it takes some skill to identify these. And even if
 you only find high quality used bikes on your local CL, it's easy to feel
 pressured to buy one that isn't ideal. At a bigger shop, at least a
 customer could try several bikes side by side. Plus, there's a warranty,
 maybe a deal on accessories, etc.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Decent $500-$600 off the shelf bike???

2013-04-11 Thread oldmangabe
I agree with Jim's POV completely, and not becuase I work at a shop.  For 
someone looking to gain access to cycling or riding a bike on a regular 
basis, getting a decent new bike (if it fits their budget) is usually the 
best overall value for that person.  With new bikes, one gets all new 
compnents, a service warranty, and usually a good deal on accessories at 
the POP.  One also gets to ride various sizes and models and choose their 
favorite in their timeframe and comfort level (assuming the shop is not 
overly pushy).

With used bikes, you get used components with typically unknown history and 
reliability.  Sure, if the person buying the used bike is mechanically 
inclined, or has easy access to services/knowlege, time, extra money, or 
prior cycling experience to choose, repair, and service a used bike, then 
it could be a good value.  From my experience it is not a good value 
monetarily or time wise for someone to invest in a non bikeshop, 
overhauled, used bike for their first bike.  It will usually turn into a 
money/time pit, and generally deter someone from riding by bumming them 
out.  I've seen it happen time and again.  Used bikes can be a good choice 
for people who are already invested in bikes, cycling, tinkering, etc.  

I second the vote for the Jamis Coda Sport.  Lots of sizes, steel, 
versatile, reliable durable components, and generally fits the proposed 
budget.  A very good value overall IMHO.  

Though ultimately, it is up to Dustin's sister to choose the bike that is 
right for her needs and goals.  

Gabe  

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:04:16 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 I admit to harboring a stereotype that this young woman just wants a 
 comfortable, reliable bike to ride, and does not care to get into a project 
 refurbing an obscure antique. Perhaps I'm wrong. 

 I realize that some used bikes are a good deal, and need little or no TLC 
 to be a good rider. But it takes some skill to identify these. And even if 
 you only find high quality used bikes on your local CL, it's easy to feel 
 pressured to buy one that isn't ideal. At a bigger shop, at least a 
 customer could try several bikes side by side. Plus, there's a warranty, 
 maybe a deal on accessories, etc.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Decent $500-$600 off the shelf bike???

2013-04-11 Thread Anne Paulson
Jim Thill writes:

I admit to harboring a stereotype that this young woman just wants a
comfortable, reliable bike to ride, and does not care to get into a project
refurbing an obscure antique.

I don't even think that counts as a stereotype. Some of the people on this
list love tinkering with their bikes. That's fine, but it's not even
representative of people who already love and ride bikes, let alone a new
rider who, probably, just wants to ride. Maybe Dustin loves tinkering and
will help his little sis out, but otherwise, I too think she should go to a
bike shop-- perhaps with her brother to help her in case she ends up at a
shop that wants to push her toward whatever the racers are riding
nowadays-- and test ride some bikes.




On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
thill@gmail.com wrote:

 I admit to harboring a stereotype that this young woman just wants a
 comfortable, reliable bike to ride, and does not care to get into a project
 refurbing an obscure antique. Perhaps I'm wrong.

 I realize that some used bikes are a good deal, and need little or no TLC
 to be a good rider. But it takes some skill to identify these. And even if
 you only find high quality used bikes on your local CL, it's easy to feel
 pressured to buy one that isn't ideal. At a bigger shop, at least a
 customer could try several bikes side by side. Plus, there's a warranty,
 maybe a deal on accessories, etc.

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[RBW] Re: Decent $500-$600 off the shelf bike???

2013-04-10 Thread Liesl
Looking for a good used bike is a great option.  If you come across a Surly 
at a good price, grab it!

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[RBW] Re: Decent $500-$600 off the shelf bike???

2013-04-10 Thread William
I saw a really nice cyclocross model Raleigh at REI on clearance for ~$600. 
 Put nice fat road tires on there and Bob's your uncle

On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:12:26 PM UTC-7, EastBayGuy wrote:

 So my little sister is looking into getting a new/First bike. she plans on 
 going on a few S240's and will be commuting in the somewhat flat Davis, Ca 
 area. She is on a College Grad/working at Panera Budget.

 My question is does anyone have any recommendations for a decent off the 
 shelf bike that is capable of strapping some gear onto and heading into the 
 hills?

 Thanks in Advance..

 Dustin G 
 WC Ca


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[RBW] Re: Decent $500-$600 off the shelf bike???

2013-04-10 Thread Oliver S.
The Jamis Coda Sport and KHS Urban Xpress are two options I've recommended 
for friends. They have the clearances, braze-ons, and some other details 
that are in the spirit of Riv. Our local coop, Citybikes, sells these and 
has the frame/component specs: 
http://www.citybikes.coop/bikes/citybikes-custom-urban-xpress/  

Oliver Smith
Portland, OR

On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:12:26 PM UTC-7, EastBayGuy wrote:

 So my little sister is looking into getting a new/First bike. she plans on 
 going on a few S240's and will be commuting in the somewhat flat Davis, Ca 
 area. She is on a College Grad/working at Panera Budget.

 My question is does anyone have any recommendations for a decent off the 
 shelf bike that is capable of strapping some gear onto and heading into the 
 hills?

 Thanks in Advance..

 Dustin G 
 WC Ca


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[RBW] Re: Decent $500-$600 off the shelf bike???

2013-04-10 Thread Will
You might poke around here: look at RoadUrban. I've seen the frames. 
Tigged, old school design, Raleigh Sprite copies. They support wider tires, 
and with modest adjustment, could handle more extensive racking. 

www.bikesdirect.com/products/windsor/essex_pla.htm

On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:12:26 PM UTC-5, EastBayGuy wrote:

 So my little sister is looking into getting a new/First bike. she plans on 
 going on a few S240's and will be commuting in the somewhat flat Davis, Ca 
 area. She is on a College Grad/working at Panera Budget.

 My question is does anyone have any recommendations for a decent off the 
 shelf bike that is capable of strapping some gear onto and heading into the 
 hills?

 Thanks in Advance..

 Dustin G 
 WC Ca


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[RBW] Re: Decent $500-$600 off the shelf bike???

2013-04-10 Thread jpp
I always recommend Trek FX and I second the Jamis Codas.  Both great bikes 
for the money.


On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 4:12:26 PM UTC-4, EastBayGuy wrote:

 So my little sister is looking into getting a new/First bike. she plans on 
 going on a few S240's and will be commuting in the somewhat flat Davis, Ca 
 area. She is on a College Grad/working at Panera Budget.

 My question is does anyone have any recommendations for a decent off the 
 shelf bike that is capable of strapping some gear onto and heading into the 
 hills?

 Thanks in Advance..

 Dustin G 
 WC Ca


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Re: [RBW] Re: Decent $500-$600 off the shelf bike???

2013-04-10 Thread cyclotourist
What Toshi said :-)

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/3730566985.html

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/3683533640.html





Cheers,
David



On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:13 PM, jpp paste...@notes.udayton.edu wrote:

 I always recommend Trek FX and I second the Jamis Codas.  Both great bikes
 for the money.


 On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 4:12:26 PM UTC-4, EastBayGuy wrote:

 So my little sister is looking into getting a new/First bike. she plans
 on going on a few S240's and will be commuting in the somewhat flat Davis,
 Ca area. She is on a College Grad/working at Panera Budget.

 My question is does anyone have any recommendations for a decent off the
 shelf bike that is capable of strapping some gear onto and heading into the
 hills?

 Thanks in Advance..

 Dustin G
 WC Ca

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[RBW] Re: Decent $500-$600 off the shelf bike???

2013-04-10 Thread Nick Worthington

Lot's of good advice here already.  Additional 2-cents:  Missing Link in 
Berkeley is having their annual Trek Fest sale - might be something 
there.  We had a used Bikes Direct Daws as my son's first road bike - was 
decent, but had the aforementioned low end parts.  He currently has a KHS 
Flite 210 - kind of their entry touring bike.  Takes bigger tires - have 
32's on it right now, and it looks like it could go to 35-38's.  Lot's of 
braze-ons, on a tig welded steel frame.  Usual low-end parts, but we've 
been upgrading over time.

And, if you're interested, we have an REI Diamondback hybrid that we'll 
sell you real cheap.  Kid outgrew it, but he's ridden 60k rail trails on 
it.  19 in frame.  Rivish set up.
  

On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:12:26 PM UTC-7, EastBayGuy wrote:

 So my little sister is looking into getting a new/First bike. 

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[RBW] Re: Decent $500-$600 off the shelf bike???

2013-04-10 Thread Mike Schiller
the KHS flite is the low cost bike I picked for my ~20 something daughter, 
steel frame and fork and fits some big tires as Nick mentioned. I swapped 
out the stem for something shorter and put on some narrower bars. I'm 
putting some 32 Pasela's on it for her this weekend.  

~mike


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