[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

[Edwin W]

Update: Thank you all so much for your help. They did turn out to be the 
wrong levers, so my LBS switched them out using the Ray "keep the clamp, 
switch the levers" Varella trick, and all is good.

Long pull levers sure do make a big difference with V brakes. Haha. 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/39018444880/in/album-72157666755295618/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/39018444890/in/album-72157666755295618/

Edwin

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 2:42:59 PM UTC-6, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I have not seen (m)any photos of Appaloosas with a drop bar. I wanted to 
> do something new this spring, and my wallet did not want me to get a new 
> bike, so I put on some drops.
> I had tried this a few years ago with my Sam, and it never felt great, so 
> I got a shorter stem this time (7cm vs 9cm). Then I put yellow Newbaum's on 
> with a light coat of clear shellac. Spring time!
>
> One thing I don't love is that I got the absolute tallest V Brakes I could 
> find when I bought this, and those tall V Brakes need the absolute most 
> cable pull... and the tektro v brake levers for drop bars bottom out. They 
> stop the bike, but no room to spare! Any ideas on how to pull more cable 
> save for getting those pulley add on things? I was thinking of trying 
> another washer on the inside of the arm to put the tops of the arms a 
> little further apart. Will that make a difference?
>
> Photos 
> 
>
> I would love to see pictures any other drop bar Appaloosas.
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

[KenP]

I put drop bars, TRP levers, Dirt Drop stem, Shimano Cantilever brakes, and 
wide tires on my Appaloosa.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/9730557@N07/26791611818/in/dateposted-public/

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:42:59 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I have not seen (m)any photos of Appaloosas with a drop bar. I wanted to 
> do something new this spring, and my wallet did not want me to get a new 
> bike, so I put on some drops.
> I had tried this a few years ago with my Sam, and it never felt great, so 
> I got a shorter stem this time (7cm vs 9cm). Then I put yellow Newbaum's on 
> with a light coat of clear shellac. Spring time!
>
> One thing I don't love is that I got the absolute tallest V Brakes I could 
> find when I bought this, and those tall V Brakes need the absolute most 
> cable pull... and the tektro v brake levers for drop bars bottom out. They 
> stop the bike, but no room to spare! Any ideas on how to pull more cable 
> save for getting those pulley add on things? I was thinking of trying 
> another washer on the inside of the arm to put the tops of the arms a 
> little further apart. Will that make a difference?
>
> Photos 
> 
>
> I would love to see pictures any other drop bar Appaloosas.
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

[Edwin W]

Tip o’ the nose of the saddle to center of clamp is 51.75 cm. 

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

[Edwin W]

Ray,

That is genius!

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

[Lum Gim Fong]

Edwin,

Whats the reach as measured from tip o the saddle nose to center of bartop 
clamp?

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

[Joe Bernard]

Bingo! I'm almost certain this will work with same-brand levers. Good call, 
Ray! 

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

[Ray Varella]

Before you unwrap your bars, see if the clamps are interchangeable. 
You may be able to remove the levers from the clamp and mount your new levers 
to the existing clamps. 

Ray

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

[Edwin W]

Darn it Jeremy was right! 
Now, I guess I have to un wrap the whole bars and replace the levers and re 
wrap?

Ugg. 

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

[Edwin W]

Detective Till,

If you are correct, I am going to be annoyed at my local bike shop but 
not forever, since they take good care of me. And I did such a good job of 
wrapping the bars!

I'll check it out tonight... but I think you are right, since I had the 
same problem with flat bars a number of years ago until I learned about 
long pull levers.

Learning, always learning,

Edwin

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 6:00:15 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Are the brake levers in the pictures the ones that bottom out?  If so, I 
> think you somehow ended up with wrong levers.  Those look like Tektro 
> RL340's, which are short-pull (caliper/canti) levers: 
>
> http://www.tektro.com/products.php?p=72
>
> The RL520's are the v-brake compatible levers and they have a much taller 
> profile: 
>
> http://www.tektro.com/products.php?p=71
>
>
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 12:42:59 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>>
>> I have not seen (m)any photos of Appaloosas with a drop bar. I wanted to 
>> do something new this spring, and my wallet did not want me to get a new 
>> bike, so I put on some drops.
>> I had tried this a few years ago with my Sam, and it never felt great, so 
>> I got a shorter stem this time (7cm vs 9cm). Then I put yellow Newbaum's on 
>> with a light coat of clear shellac. Spring time!
>>
>> One thing I don't love is that I got the absolute tallest V Brakes I 
>> could find when I bought this, and those tall V Brakes need the absolute 
>> most cable pull... and the tektro v brake levers for drop bars bottom out. 
>> They stop the bike, but no room to spare! Any ideas on how to pull more 
>> cable save for getting those pulley add on things? I was thinking of trying 
>> another washer on the inside of the arm to put the tops of the arms a 
>> little further apart. Will that make a difference?
>>
>> Photos 
>> 
>>
>> I would love to see pictures any other drop bar Appaloosas.
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

[Bob Lovejoy]

Wow...!  My money is on what Jeremy is saying  Great eye, great 
(potential) catch!!

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

[Jeremy Till]

Are the brake levers in the pictures the ones that bottom out?  If so, I 
think you somehow ended up with wrong levers.  Those look like Tektro 
RL340's, which are short-pull (caliper/canti) levers: 

http://www.tektro.com/products.php?p=72

The RL520's are the v-brake compatible levers and they have a much taller 
profile: 

http://www.tektro.com/products.php?p=71


On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 12:42:59 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I have not seen (m)any photos of Appaloosas with a drop bar. I wanted to 
> do something new this spring, and my wallet did not want me to get a new 
> bike, so I put on some drops.
> I had tried this a few years ago with my Sam, and it never felt great, so 
> I got a shorter stem this time (7cm vs 9cm). Then I put yellow Newbaum's on 
> with a light coat of clear shellac. Spring time!
>
> One thing I don't love is that I got the absolute tallest V Brakes I could 
> find when I bought this, and those tall V Brakes need the absolute most 
> cable pull... and the tektro v brake levers for drop bars bottom out. They 
> stop the bike, but no room to spare! Any ideas on how to pull more cable 
> save for getting those pulley add on things? I was thinking of trying 
> another washer on the inside of the arm to put the tops of the arms a 
> little further apart. Will that make a difference?
>
> Photos 
> 
>
> I would love to see pictures any other drop bar Appaloosas.
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

[Bob Lovejoy]

I do not have any truly current pictures of my Appaloosa but I took a 
couple late last year.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/21182339@N05/24939405718/in/album-72157682579281726/
If the weather here will clear for more than a day or two, I will get 
better and more pictures.  The bike now has Berthoud stainless fenders and 
(I think) 700x40 Schwalbe Mondial tires.

I am using a 6cm stem but I love the bike with drop bars.  Every time I 
ride it now, it is very easy to imagine riding it a long, long way and has 
made any idea of needing, even wanting, a different touring bike seem 
totally unnecessary.

I use cantilever brakes (Shimano CX-70's) but the only advice I can offer 
is to make sure your brake pads run pretty close to the rim as I believe 
V-brakes are designed for that fairly minimal distance between pad and rim. 
 You obviously do not want pads rubbing but close is a good thing with 
V-brakes.

I do think your bike looks great!

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 2:42:59 PM UTC-6, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I have not seen (m)any photos of Appaloosas with a drop bar. I wanted to 
> do something new this spring, and my wallet did not want me to get a new 
> bike, so I put on some drops.
> I had tried this a few years ago with my Sam, and it never felt great, so 
> I got a shorter stem this time (7cm vs 9cm). Then I put yellow Newbaum's on 
> with a light coat of clear shellac. Spring time!
>
> One thing I don't love is that I got the absolute tallest V Brakes I could 
> find when I bought this, and those tall V Brakes need the absolute most 
> cable pull... and the tektro v brake levers for drop bars bottom out. They 
> stop the bike, but no room to spare! Any ideas on how to pull more cable 
> save for getting those pulley add on things? I was thinking of trying 
> another washer on the inside of the arm to put the tops of the arms a 
> little further apart. Will that make a difference?
>
> Photos 
> 
>
> I would love to see pictures any other drop bar Appaloosas.
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

[Drw]

If you are using the tektro linear pull/V brake drop levers, they shouldn't 
bottom out before fully braking the bike. Is it possible that you have the 
QR part of the lever set in the "open" position? Otherwise, i think this is 
a set up issue, probably at the brakes themselves. how close are the pads 
to the rim? is the housing seated correctly in the lever? I'm not a fan of 
those tektro levers for other reasons, but you should be able to get them 
to pull enough cable to stop the bike more than adequately without hitting 
the bars.

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

[Bill Lindsay]

I don't really like the design of those brakelevers.  They curve way in 
towards the bar, like they are 'short reach' levers for riders with small 
hands.  That sacrifices a bunch of additional cable pull that you could 
have had.  If it were me, I might go look for a pair of Dia Compe 287 
levers and start over.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 12:42:59 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I have not seen (m)any photos of Appaloosas with a drop bar. I wanted to 
> do something new this spring, and my wallet did not want me to get a new 
> bike, so I put on some drops.
> I had tried this a few years ago with my Sam, and it never felt great, so 
> I got a shorter stem this time (7cm vs 9cm). Then I put yellow Newbaum's on 
> with a light coat of clear shellac. Spring time!
>
> One thing I don't love is that I got the absolute tallest V Brakes I could 
> find when I bought this, and those tall V Brakes need the absolute most 
> cable pull... and the tektro v brake levers for drop bars bottom out. They 
> stop the bike, but no room to spare! Any ideas on how to pull more cable 
> save for getting those pulley add on things? I was thinking of trying 
> another washer on the inside of the arm to put the tops of the arms a 
> little further apart. Will that make a difference?
>
> Photos 
> 
>
> I would love to see pictures any other drop bar Appaloosas.
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

[Rusty Click]

There is a product called a "Travel Agent" that increases cable pull.  A 
friend has them on his LHT, and he has no complaints.  You can find install 
videos on the inter-web.

rusty

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:42:59 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I have not seen (m)any photos of Appaloosas with a drop bar. I wanted to 
> do something new this spring, and my wallet did not want me to get a new 
> bike, so I put on some drops.
> I had tried this a few years ago with my Sam, and it never felt great, so 
> I got a shorter stem this time (7cm vs 9cm). Then I put yellow Newbaum's on 
> with a light coat of clear shellac. Spring time!
>
> One thing I don't love is that I got the absolute tallest V Brakes I could 
> find when I bought this, and those tall V Brakes need the absolute most 
> cable pull... and the tektro v brake levers for drop bars bottom out. They 
> stop the bike, but no room to spare! Any ideas on how to pull more cable 
> save for getting those pulley add on things? I was thinking of trying 
> another washer on the inside of the arm to put the tops of the arms a 
> little further apart. Will that make a difference?
>
> Photos 
> 
>
> I would love to see pictures any other drop bar Appaloosas.
>
> Edwin
>

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