Re: [RBW] Re: Dynohub opinions

2012-10-26 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Thanks, Daniel -- good point about ordering from Europe.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Daniel  wrote:
> I recall reading the internals of the 70, 71, 72 and 80 are roughly the
> same. And I believe the 72 and 80 are roughly identical, save for an Al axle
> in the 80 (vs steel in the 72 and lower).
>
> I never really bothered to sort out the specs on the Alfine.
>
> Of course, Peter White has a good amount of information on the various hubs
> on his site and Anthony at Long Leaf does as well. Anthony makes nice wheels
> at prices just a hair more than the Handspun stuff. I had a set of his
> wheels in the past and didn't have any issues with them. Plus I've
> cooresponded with him on a few things and he's always been responsive,
> detailed, and cordial.
>
> Also, a lot of these dynamo hubs (and lights) can be had for a lot less if
> you order from a European supplier.
>
> Daniel
>
> On Thursday, October 25, 2012 11:52:07 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> And: what is the difference between the ...72, the 71, the 80, and the
>> Alfine?
>
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[RBW] Re: Dynohub opinions

2012-10-26 Thread John Lee
I have the OEM version of the Supernova hub (A Shutter Precision PV-8). 
It's pretty much unnoticeable and has been utterly reliable despite a crash 
and many many rain days. I'm sure the Shimano hubs are pretty reliable as 
well.

On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:28:36 PM UTC-4, justin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi
> Today I did my first mixed mode commute (bus in AM, bike in PM) and 
> realized how much I truly need dynohub lighting on any bike I plan to ride 
> after dark or at dusk here in Philly. I have a previous generation Shimano 
> dynohub on my Saluki and love it. Also the same on my Rich-built wheelset 
> on the lady's Univega commuter conversion. Today I rode my (new to me) 
> SimpleOne home and realized that with my job (2nd grade teacher) and the 
> time of year I'm going to be riding home in the dark quite a bit. I'd like 
> to not have my riding choice limited so I turn to you. Now there's Shimano, 
> Sanyo, SON, Supernova, that other one and who knows? I think that SON is 
> probably out. Too expensive and I think I'd like to have a Shimano-type 
> connector. No need to power a tail light but I'll probably use another CYO 
> upfront and maybe a ToutTerrain USB charger. What say you? Is Shimano's 
> offering solid enough? What about Supernova and that other new one?
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Justin "Dyno in the front, batteries in the rear" August
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynohub opinions

2012-10-26 Thread Daniel
I recall reading the internals of the 70, 71, 72 and 80 are roughly the 
same. And I believe the 72 and 80 are roughly identical, save for an Al 
axle in the 80 (vs steel in the 72 and lower).
 
I never really bothered to sort out the specs on the Alfine.
 
Of course, Peter White has a good amount of information on the various hubs 
on his site and Anthony at Long Leaf does as well. Anthony makes nice 
wheels at prices just a hair more than the Handspun stuff. I had a set of 
his wheels in the past and didn't have any issues with them. Plus I've 
cooresponded with him on a few things and he's always been responsive, 
detailed, and cordial.
 
Also, a lot of these dynamo hubs (and lights) can be had for a lot less if 
you order from a European supplier.
 
Daniel

On Thursday, October 25, 2012 11:52:07 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

> And: what is the difference between the ...72, the 71, the 80, and the 
> Alfine? 

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[RBW] Re: Dynohub opinions

2012-10-26 Thread Jon Doyle
For transportation purposes, get the Sanyo. I read the recent BQ article, 
have used high-end Shimano dynamo hubs, and would buy a Sanyo hub for my 
commuting bike.

Jon
Watertown, MA 

On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:28:36 PM UTC-4, justin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi
> Today I did my first mixed mode commute (bus in AM, bike in PM) and 
> realized how much I truly need dynohub lighting on any bike I plan to ride 
> after dark or at dusk here in Philly. I have a previous generation Shimano 
> dynohub on my Saluki and love it. Also the same on my Rich-built wheelset 
> on the lady's Univega commuter conversion. Today I rode my (new to me) 
> SimpleOne home and realized that with my job (2nd grade teacher) and the 
> time of year I'm going to be riding home in the dark quite a bit. I'd like 
> to not have my riding choice limited so I turn to you. Now there's Shimano, 
> Sanyo, SON, Supernova, that other one and who knows? I think that SON is 
> probably out. Too expensive and I think I'd like to have a Shimano-type 
> connector. No need to power a tail light but I'll probably use another CYO 
> upfront and maybe a ToutTerrain USB charger. What say you? Is Shimano's 
> offering solid enough? What about Supernova and that other new one?
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Justin "Dyno in the front, batteries in the rear" August
>

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[RBW] Re: Dynohub opinions

2012-10-25 Thread charlie
I have the one VO sold for a while made in Taiwan and its a 
decent generator hub. I use it with a IQ Fly daylight running light 
headlamp along with a B&M Toplight tail lamp.  I love generator lighting 
set ups but you might also think about a Phillips battery charged headlamp 
if you won't be using a generator tail lamp. The Phillips has a broad and 
long reaching beam and 80 Lux is nothing to be embarrassed of. If your 
commute is under ten miles a good battery light with the USB charger is the 
"cats meow".the Phillips also has a beam that is cut off like auto 
headlights in order to avoid blinding auto drivers etc.  Another good 
lighting set up is the Light and Motion 250 lumen head/tail combo with side 
running lights. I am getting this for my daughter to use on her commute to 
college and it will supplement her current battery head and tail light 
mounted on her bike. The big benefit is the high position of the light 
making her more visible and the ability to 'point' the head lamp at drivers 
or while turning. Battery lights are really good these days and are 
conveniently taken with the rider making them especially nice for the urban 
commuter. If you are a long range commuter (more than 10 miles one way) a 
gen hub with a battery helmet light is a nice combo and one I currently 
use. I plan on a newer model Son 28 for my next wheel set because of its 
moisture management system.its the only company who makes one with this 
feature

On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 5:28:36 PM UTC-7, justin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi
> Today I did my first mixed mode commute (bus in AM, bike in PM) and 
> realized how much I truly need dynohub lighting on any bike I plan to ride 
> after dark or at dusk here in Philly. I have a previous generation Shimano 
> dynohub on my Saluki and love it. Also the same on my Rich-built wheelset 
> on the lady's Univega commuter conversion. Today I rode my (new to me) 
> SimpleOne home and realized that with my job (2nd grade teacher) and the 
> time of year I'm going to be riding home in the dark quite a bit. I'd like 
> to not have my riding choice limited so I turn to you. Now there's Shimano, 
> Sanyo, SON, Supernova, that other one and who knows? I think that SON is 
> probably out. Too expensive and I think I'd like to have a Shimano-type 
> connector. No need to power a tail light but I'll probably use another CYO 
> upfront and maybe a ToutTerrain USB charger. What say you? Is Shimano's 
> offering solid enough? What about Supernova and that other new one?
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Justin "Dyno in the front, batteries in the rear" August
>

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[RBW] Re: Dynohub opinions

2012-10-25 Thread Peter Pesce
Ah yes, good point. Forgot to mention that the SP hub also uses the Shimano 
connector. That was a factor for me as it makes it much easier to share the 
wheel among bikes.

-Pete in CT

On Thursday, October 25, 2012 2:45:41 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I like the Shimano connector better than the SON, and the quality seems 
> very good. I got a heavily discounted OEM Alfine, and wish I'd bought two. 
> My SON has 10x more miles, with no problems - I hope the Shimano does as 
> well. 
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:37:06 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
> Cyclery wrote:
>>
>> My go-to hub is the Shimano Alfine. I have two or three such wheels now. 
>> No complaints! I've used several Schmidt hubs over the years, too, but I 
>> find its hard to justify the price difference.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynohub opinions

2012-10-25 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I never bothered with this; I just made sure that the wires were
stripped carefully and the ends carefully tucked out of sight. I've
never had any problems with contact or neatness. Soldering doesn't add
anything if you prepare the wires carefully. I twist mine to make them
easier to handle.

Soldering **would** help with the SON spade connectors.

As for 71s, 72s, 80s, and Alfines, their quality and their drag: here
is what PJW has to say:

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/shimano3n70.asp

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Lee Chae  wrote:
> This reminds me: One thing I did to my Cyo light was to tin the ends of the
> wires that thread into the Shimano connector. Makes for better contact and
> keeps things neater if you have to remove the connector for things like
> fixing flats or switching the dyno-wheel to a new bike.
>
> Lee
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Philip Williamson
>  wrote:
>>
>> I like the Shimano connector better than the SON, and the quality seems
>> very good. I got a heavily discounted OEM Alfine, and wish I'd bought two.
>> My SON has 10x more miles, with no problems - I hope the Shimano does as
>> well.
>>
>> Philip
>> www.biketinker.com
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:37:06 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha
>> Cyclery wrote:
>>>
>>> My go-to hub is the Shimano Alfine. I have two or three such wheels now.
>>> No complaints! I've used several Schmidt hubs over the years, too, but I
>>> find its hard to justify the price difference.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynohub opinions

2012-10-25 Thread Lee Chae
This reminds me: One thing I did to my Cyo light was to tin the ends of the
wires that thread into the Shimano connector. Makes for better contact and
keeps things neater if you have to remove the connector for things like
fixing flats or switching the dyno-wheel to a new bike.

Lee

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I like the Shimano connector better than the SON, and the quality seems
> very good. I got a heavily discounted OEM Alfine, and wish I'd bought two.
> My SON has 10x more miles, with no problems - I hope the Shimano does as
> well.
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:37:06 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha
> Cyclery wrote:
>>
>> My go-to hub is the Shimano Alfine. I have two or three such wheels now.
>> No complaints! I've used several Schmidt hubs over the years, too, but I
>> find its hard to justify the price difference.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynohub opinions

2012-10-25 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Yes, one thing that Shimano did right and SON didn't do right is the
connector. I meditate on that difference every time I have to remove
and replace my SON wheel when fixing a flat.

I've been using DH 3**D**72s ("D" = Disk) or whateverthehelltheyare on
the Fargo (previously had one ..."N" ... on the Motobecane, too) off
road in lots of dry dust. No problems so far.

And: what is the difference between the ...72, the 71, the 80, and the Alfine?

One curious fact: When powering the light, my SON 20 buzzes or
vibrates more than my two ...72s. But it spins slightly easier
nevertheless.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Philip Williamson
 wrote:
> I like the Shimano connector better than the SON, and the quality seems very
> good. I got a heavily discounted OEM Alfine, and wish I'd bought two. My SON
> has 10x more miles, with no problems - I hope the Shimano does as well.
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:37:06 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha
> Cyclery wrote:
>>
>> My go-to hub is the Shimano Alfine. I have two or three such wheels now.
>> No complaints! I've used several Schmidt hubs over the years, too, but I
>> find its hard to justify the price difference.
>
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[RBW] Re: Dynohub opinions

2012-10-25 Thread Philip Williamson
I like the Shimano connector better than the SON, and the quality seems 
very good. I got a heavily discounted OEM Alfine, and wish I'd bought two. 
My SON has 10x more miles, with no problems - I hope the Shimano does as 
well. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:37:06 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
Cyclery wrote:
>
> My go-to hub is the Shimano Alfine. I have two or three such wheels now. 
> No complaints! I've used several Schmidt hubs over the years, too, but I 
> find its hard to justify the price difference.

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[RBW] Re: Dynohub opinions

2012-10-25 Thread justinaugust
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_24?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=handspun+pavement+series+2&sprefix=handspun+pavement+series%2Caps%2C0

My oh my, those are attractive prices for bomb proof wheelsets for the 
commuter. 

On Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:41:27 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
Cyclery wrote:
>
> Narrow-flange induced wheel flex seems like a pretty far-fetched problem. 
> The wheel can flex laterally in hard corners, but so does the fork. On my 
> 1936 Gitane tandem with 27" wheels, there is a tendency for the front rim 
> to rub the brake pads in hard corners, despite the hub having a high, wide 
> flange. The skinny, flexy fork legs are the more likely culprit.
>
> On Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:03:11 AM UTC-5, IanA wrote:
>>
>> Do you notice any additional flex in the wheel due to narrow flanges? 
>> Also, any experience with extended exposure to moisture?  They do look 
>> fantastic and small and light.
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:56:18 PM UTC-6, Kelly wrote:
>>>
>>> Had real good,luck with the 3n80'shimano.  Great luck with the three 
>>> SON28's and have be very pleasantly surprised with the SP non-switched. 
>>>  The 3n80 and SP both run about 130.  Schmidt has less drag of all three 
>>> but minimally so.
>>>
>>> The SP will be my next one due to price and it smokin hot to look at 
>>> ..so the Betty Foy should be happy.
>>>
>>> Kelly
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Dynohub opinions

2012-10-25 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I should have said 1963 Gitane tandem, not 1936.

On Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:41:27 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
Cyclery wrote:
>
> Narrow-flange induced wheel flex seems like a pretty far-fetched problem. 
> The wheel can flex laterally in hard corners, but so does the fork. On my 
> 1936 Gitane tandem with 27" wheels, there is a tendency for the front rim 
> to rub the brake pads in hard corners, despite the hub having a high, wide 
> flange. The skinny, flexy fork legs are the more likely culprit.
>
> On Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:03:11 AM UTC-5, IanA wrote:
>>
>> Do you notice any additional flex in the wheel due to narrow flanges? 
>> Also, any experience with extended exposure to moisture?  They do look 
>> fantastic and small and light.
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:56:18 PM UTC-6, Kelly wrote:
>>>
>>> Had real good,luck with the 3n80'shimano.  Great luck with the three 
>>> SON28's and have be very pleasantly surprised with the SP non-switched. 
>>>  The 3n80 and SP both run about 130.  Schmidt has less drag of all three 
>>> but minimally so.
>>>
>>> The SP will be my next one due to price and it smokin hot to look at 
>>> ..so the Betty Foy should be happy.
>>>
>>> Kelly
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Dynohub opinions

2012-10-25 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Narrow-flange induced wheel flex seems like a pretty far-fetched problem. 
The wheel can flex laterally in hard corners, but so does the fork. On my 
1936 Gitane tandem with 27" wheels, there is a tendency for the front rim 
to rub the brake pads in hard corners, despite the hub having a high, wide 
flange. The skinny, flexy fork legs are the more likely culprit.

On Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:03:11 AM UTC-5, IanA wrote:
>
> Do you notice any additional flex in the wheel due to narrow flanges? 
> Also, any experience with extended exposure to moisture?  They do look 
> fantastic and small and light.
>
> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:56:18 PM UTC-6, Kelly wrote:
>>
>> Had real good,luck with the 3n80'shimano.  Great luck with the three 
>> SON28's and have be very pleasantly surprised with the SP non-switched. 
>>  The 3n80 and SP both run about 130.  Schmidt has less drag of all three 
>> but minimally so.
>>
>> The SP will be my next one due to price and it smokin hot to look at ..so 
>> the Betty Foy should be happy.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Dynohub opinions

2012-10-25 Thread Will
Plus 1 on the Alfine. We have 2 of the 36 spoke units. No problems 
whatsoever. Removing/reinstalling the wheels is a snap. Both power 
unswitched (always on) front and rear lights. They are on commuter bikes. 
Used daily. Drag is not noticeable. 

On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:37:06 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
Cyclery wrote:
>
> My go-to hub is the Shimano Alfine. I have two or three such wheels now. 
> No complaints! I've used several Schmidt hubs over the years, too, but I 
> find its hard to justify the price difference.

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[RBW] Re: Dynohub opinions

2012-10-24 Thread IanA
Do you notice any additional flex in the wheel due to narrow flanges? Also, 
any experience with extended exposure to moisture?  They do look fantastic 
and small and light.

On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:56:18 PM UTC-6, Kelly wrote:
>
> Had real good,luck with the 3n80'shimano.  Great luck with the three 
> SON28's and have be very pleasantly surprised with the SP non-switched. 
>  The 3n80 and SP both run about 130.  Schmidt has less drag of all three 
> but minimally so.
>
> The SP will be my next one due to price and it smokin hot to look at ..so 
> the Betty Foy should be happy.
>
> Kelly
>
>

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