[RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-15 Thread ted
Hey Jan,
Thanks for the clarification.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-14 Thread Lynne Fitz
lights don't always use the standard M6 bolt.  Yes, my Luxos U mounted nicely 
on the front of my Nitto rack.  The light switch juust reached the 
handlebar.  Someone taller than me (most of the population) might have a bit of 
difficulty getting the light switch to make it to the handlebar.

I had wanted to bolt my Supernova Lefty directly to the rack, but it used a 
different bolt size as well.

But the wired taillight, meant to go on the seatstay (not mounting a light on 
the fenders; I have yet to trust traveling with the Honjos) - the light mount 
zipties to the seatstay (breaking a promise to my CUSTOM bike; no electrical 
tape, no zipties), and the light bolts to that.  Now if the light bolted on 
with the standard M6, I'd just bolt it directly to the frame, into the braze-on 
there just for that purpose.  But no, it is some stupid little weird sized 
bolt.  The small kind that can fall on the ground and vanish, and one doesn't 
have a ton of spares hanging around in the bike bits bin.  Granted, I won't be 
taking it off the bike except in extremely controlled conditions, but still.

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[RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-14 Thread ted
Jan writes There is less torque on the mounting bolt,  How is that? 
Looks like the cg of the light is the same distance in front of the bolt 
either way, so the magnitude of the torque would be the same.

On Thursday, March 13, 2014 7:42:23 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9-BgcVClSC4/UyHCr4nz7PI/ACI/Z3C93t1D-GA/s1600/Jan_Herse_light.jpg
 A hanging Edelux makes a lot of sense on a rack with a dedicated 
 attachment for the light. There is less torque on the mounting bolt, so 
 it's less likely to come loose due to vibrations. (A standing light 
 always wants to rotate downward.) The hanging Edelux also makes sense when 
 you mount your light under the handlebars – less obtrusive than on top of 
 the bars...

 Above is the hanging Edelux on my randonneur bike. I modified the 
 attachment so it is forked. This allows me to adjust the angle of the light 
 while riding (higher when out of town to see even when going into a dip in 
 the road, lower in town to avoid blinding oncoming traffic), without the 
 bolt loosening. Once the hanging Edelux II will become available, I'll 
 probably run the lighting wire through the tube that supports the light – 
 there is less risk of snagging it that way, and it doesn't look nice 
 exposed as it currently is.

 Jan Heine
 Editor
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[RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-14 Thread Jan Heine
You are right. I am sorry I mis-spoke. What I meant was that if the light 
moves a bit, the torque increases on the standing light, whereas it 
decreases on the hanging light. So in one case, you have a light that is 
balanced on a ridge, in the other, it's in a valley, so to speak. The main 
advantage of the hanging light is its ease of mounting on racks, as the 
originally-discussed blug post pointed out...

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On Friday, March 14, 2014 2:02:35 PM UTC-7, ted wrote:

 Jan writes There is less torque on the mounting bolt,  How is that? 
 Looks like the cg of the light is the same distance in front of the bolt 
 either way, so the magnitude of the torque would be the same.

 On Thursday, March 13, 2014 7:42:23 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9-BgcVClSC4/UyHCr4nz7PI/ACI/Z3C93t1D-GA/s1600/Jan_Herse_light.jpg
 A hanging Edelux makes a lot of sense on a rack with a dedicated 
 attachment for the light. There is less torque on the mounting bolt, so 
 it's less likely to come loose due to vibrations. (A standing light 
 always wants to rotate downward.) The hanging Edelux also makes sense when 
 you mount your light under the handlebars – less obtrusive than on top of 
 the bars...

 Above is the hanging Edelux on my randonneur bike. I modified the 
 attachment so it is forked. This allows me to adjust the angle of the light 
 while riding (higher when out of town to see even when going into a dip in 
 the road, lower in town to avoid blinding oncoming traffic), without the 
 bolt loosening. Once the hanging Edelux II will become available, I'll 
 probably run the lighting wire through the tube that supports the light – 
 there is less risk of snagging it that way, and it doesn't look nice 
 exposed as it currently is.

 Jan Heine
 Editor
 Bicycle Quarterly
 http://www.bikequarterly.com

 Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/



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[RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-13 Thread Scot Brooks
The good news is that any fabrication shop can whip up a light mount and weld 
it on to a chromoly or stainless rack no sweat. 

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[RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-13 Thread David Spranger
I have made that same mount for a couple of my bikes. The first time I saw 
it used was in a picture, either posted here or the iBOB group, several 
years back.

David Very much anticipating attending the NAHBS tommow Spranger
Charlotte, NC

On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 9:32:36 PM UTC-4, blakcloud wrote:

 Rob Perks from Ocean Air Cycles has a creative set up which you can 
 seehere.http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/8718438496/




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[RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-13 Thread Matthew J
Rob Perks from Ocean Air Cycles has a creative set up which you can see
 here. http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/8718438496/ 

First time I saw this.  Very clever re-use of old components.

On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:32:36 PM UTC-5, blakcloud wrote:

 Rob Perks from Ocean Air Cycles has a creative set up which you can 
 seehere.http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/8718438496/




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[RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-13 Thread Matthew J
Not to beat a dead horse, but there are several solutions which allow you 
to mount the light the right way up. Wouldn't you want to light positioned 
further forward anyway? 
Ge
Sometimes rack and bag choice get in the way.  Did not take too many rides 
on my commuter with the Edelux mounted per manufacturer spec to the fork 
crown to realize how well German lights work there.

On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:50:49 PM UTC-5, Evan Baird wrote:

 Not to beat a dead horse, but there are several solutions which allow you 
 to mount the light the right way up. Wouldn't you want to light positioned 
 further forward anyway?

 http://harriscyclery.net/product/m.a.p.-fender-mount-for-headlight-3607.htm


 http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-341/Light-Bracket-for-Edelux/Detail

 http://shop.boxdogbikes.com/products/bdb-handmade-light-mount

 http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/wingmann-light-mount


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[RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-13 Thread Jan Heine


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9-BgcVClSC4/UyHCr4nz7PI/ACI/Z3C93t1D-GA/s1600/Jan_Herse_light.jpg
A hanging Edelux makes a lot of sense on a rack with a dedicated attachment 
for the light. There is less torque on the mounting bolt, so it's less 
likely to come loose due to vibrations. (A standing light always wants to 
rotate downward.) The hanging Edelux also makes sense when you mount your 
light under the handlebars – less obtrusive than on top of the bars...

Above is the hanging Edelux on my randonneur bike. I modified the 
attachment so it is forked. This allows me to adjust the angle of the light 
while riding (higher when out of town to see even when going into a dip in 
the road, lower in town to avoid blinding oncoming traffic), without the 
bolt loosening. Once the hanging Edelux II will become available, I'll 
probably run the lighting wire through the tube that supports the light – 
there is less risk of snagging it that way, and it doesn't look nice 
exposed as it currently is.

Jan Heine
Editor
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http://www.bikequarterly.com

Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/

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[RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-13 Thread Bill Lindsay
Steve

Good catch.  The BLUG post was about the upside down Edelux.  The photo was 
an upside down Edelux, and the text of the post said Edelux.  The 
misdirection was that the LINK in the post took you to Edelux II.  I 
emailed Dave at Riv and he has fixed the LINK.  Now the LINK correctly 
takes the clicker to the upside down Edelux, which Riv sells for $170 with 
free shipping.  

Generally if you see an error like that in the BLUG, just email Dave and 
he'll fix it PDQ.  They don't want to misinform anybody.  

Bill Lindsay

On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 5:23:38 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On Feb 14 the Blug featured a post about mounting the Edelux II headlight 
 to Mark's Rack.


  

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[RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-13 Thread Lynne Fitz
I would just, for once, want to buy a light and not have to get all creative 
about how to mount it on my bike.  The Luxos U was the easiest; I bolt it to 
the front bolt of the Nitto rack.  Of course, I had to buy the Nitto rack, 
because it did not play at all well with the custom rack which originally came 
with the bike.

I do wish the lighting manufacturers used the standard bolt which fits into 
every accessory bolt hole on a bike.  Yes, of COURSE I have a T20 wrench which 
I carry on my bike.  Doesn't everyone? (solution - T20 bit which fits in my 
Topeak Rachet Rocket)

I wish the new Secula Plus Seatstay Light had the standard sized hole for the 
standard sized bolt, rather than having to ziptie it to my seatstay, which 
means when I dissassemble the bike for travel, things will get tricky.  No, 
couldn't just bolt it to the braze-on there for JUST THAT PURPOSE, like I can 
do with my Planet Bike blinkies.

I will say the Secula Plus tail light is amazing.  Just not really thought 
through for all the mounting possibilities.

Rant off.  Thank you for listening.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-13 Thread Peter Morgano
+1 on that rant. Shouldn't have to buy a rack to make a light work.
On Mar 13, 2014 3:15 PM, Lynne Fitz fitzb...@comcast.net wrote:

 I would just, for once, want to buy a light and not have to get all
 creative about how to mount it on my bike.  The Luxos U was the easiest; I
 bolt it to the front bolt of the Nitto rack.  Of course, I had to buy the
 Nitto rack, because it did not play at all well with the custom rack which
 originally came with the bike.

 I do wish the lighting manufacturers used the standard bolt which fits
 into every accessory bolt hole on a bike.  Yes, of COURSE I have a T20
 wrench which I carry on my bike.  Doesn't everyone? (solution - T20 bit
 which fits in my Topeak Rachet Rocket)

 I wish the new Secula Plus Seatstay Light had the standard sized hole for
 the standard sized bolt, rather than having to ziptie it to my seatstay,
 which means when I dissassemble the bike for travel, things will get
 tricky.  No, couldn't just bolt it to the braze-on there for JUST THAT
 PURPOSE, like I can do with my Planet Bike blinkies.

 I will say the Secula Plus tail light is amazing.  Just not really thought
 through for all the mounting possibilities.

 Rant off.  Thank you for listening.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-13 Thread Eric
I don't think I was being dramatic at all, only honest. 

For a $200 light  a $100+ dollar rack Riv is only suggesting some fancy 
jerry-rigging technique. I don't think that's realistic.

For that kinda coin I want the set up to:

1) Be secure
2) Not be obscured by bags/rack/ect
3) Be easy to mount

The more I deal with hassle the more I know there's an easier solution. I 
just want a rack w/ a dedicated mount  wire guides, no fuss  no ugly zip 
ties on my nice frame. 

On Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:49:57 AM UTC-5, Christopher Chen wrote:

 a bit dramatic aren't we
 On Mar 12, 2014 8:29 PM, Eric ericwo...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:

 Mounting this light to my old touring bike and Homer Hilsen was often 
 been the bane of my existence and I gave it up.

 The only time I will mount this light again is when my new custom tourer 
 has a DEDICATED light mount constructed on the custom front rack. 

 No more jerry-rigging for me too much of pain. I was able to mount the 
 light on my Mark's Rack but it was such a pain (secret: it involved a 
 Pitlock skewer to prevent theft) and it looked awful too. 

 Why doesn't Riv just have Nitto fashion a light mount onto the racks they 
 offer? 

 It's a $200 light! I'm sure Nitto can weld on a simple solution. 


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[RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-13 Thread Eric
You're correct but the Nitto racks are nickle plated so it's not that easy 
at least to the builders I spoke too (Ahearne  others). 

On Thursday, March 13, 2014 1:19:40 AM UTC-5, Scot Brooks wrote:

 The good news is that any fabrication shop can whip up a light mount and 
 weld it on to a chromoly or stainless rack no sweat. 

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[RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-13 Thread Scot Brooks
Hi Eric,
We mess around with modifying Nitto racks kind of a lot at the shop I 
occasionally work at, mostly for the purpose of dialing in the fitment or 
getting things super level. It's way easy, or at least for the guys who do 
the actual welding and brazing (not me). Moot point really, since I guess 
it's not exactly an easy solution from the standpoint of a customer 
buying a fancy rack, spending more money to have it modified, and then more 
money to have it painted or powdercoated. 

On Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:29:34 PM UTC-7, Eric wrote:

 You're correct but the Nitto racks are nickle plated so it's not that easy 
 at least to the builders I spoke too (Ahearne  others). 

 On Thursday, March 13, 2014 1:19:40 AM UTC-5, Scot Brooks wrote:

 The good news is that any fabrication shop can whip up a light mount and 
 weld it on to a chromoly or stainless rack no sweat. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-13 Thread Jan Heine
I agree with the rant – it shouldn't be that hard to use your bike at night.

There actually are standards for lights. For example, all the German lights 
use an M6 bolt, and the bases are the same width. They mount to standard 
brackets that go on the fork crown. The bracket sandwiches the light, so 
you can adjust the light's angle by hand without loosening the bolt. As 
long as you use canti, V-brakes or discs, the fork crown is wide open. The 
rear light goes on the rear fender. Whether these are the best locations is 
a different matter, but if you have a German city bike and want to switch 
from a IQ Cyo to an Edelux, it's a simple swap.

It's the same with derailleurs on our bikes. Yes, putting the derailleur on 
the outside of the rear dropout isn't ideal – the hanger tends to bend when 
the bike falls over – but they all are the same, and switching from Shimano 
to Campy is a snap today, unlike in the old days when Campy, Huret and 
Simplex each had their own dropouts with different derailleur hangers.

We run into problems if our bikes aren't designed for derailleurs or 
lights. Then we have to get creative. And the results are often 
sub-optimal. Just like with cars, where the add-on fog lights tend to fall 
off, rotate or have unintended consequences (engines overheating because 
the lights block the radiator). The headlights that come with the car 
rarely have any issues...

The beauty of a bike that is designed from the onset for lights is that you 
don't have to think about them. If they are well-designed, they are just 
there, ready to be switched on when you need them.

Jan Heine
Editor
Bicycle Quarterly
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Seattle WA 98121
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On Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:20:52 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 +1 on that rant. Shouldn't have to buy a rack to make a light work.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-13 Thread Shoji Takahashi
I agree with the rant, but:
the Nitto Mini and the Mark's rack both have tabs on the front on which one 
can affix a fork-mount light. 

It's pictured on the Riv page for the Luxos U Dyno light (2nd, 3rd, 4th 
pics): http://www.rivbike.com/Busch-and-Muller-Luxos-U-Headlight-p/ltd-11.htm
(I think some light aficionados have said that one should only mount 
German-made lights to the fork crown position, because that's how they're 
designed!)

If you'd like to mount the light to the side struts... you're on your own. 
But there seem to-be quite a few options for after market light 
arms/brackets, and Edelux even comes in upside-down mount. 

You could always go custom.


On Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:46:32 PM UTC-4, Jan Heine wrote:

 I agree with the rant – it shouldn't be that hard to use your bike at 
 night.

 There actually are standards for lights. For example, all the German 
 lights use an M6 bolt, and the bases are the same width. They mount to 
 standard brackets that go on the fork crown. The bracket sandwiches the 
 light, so you can adjust the light's angle by hand without loosening the 
 bolt. As long as you use canti, V-brakes or discs, the fork crown is wide 
 open. The rear light goes on the rear fender. Whether these are the best 
 locations is a different matter, but if you have a German city bike and 
 want to switch from a IQ Cyo to an Edelux, it's a simple swap.

 It's the same with derailleurs on our bikes. Yes, putting the derailleur 
 on the outside of the rear dropout isn't ideal – the hanger tends to bend 
 when the bike falls over – but they all are the same, and switching from 
 Shimano to Campy is a snap today, unlike in the old days when Campy, Huret 
 and Simplex each had their own dropouts with different derailleur hangers.

 We run into problems if our bikes aren't designed for derailleurs or 
 lights. Then we have to get creative. And the results are often 
 sub-optimal. Just like with cars, where the add-on fog lights tend to fall 
 off, rotate or have unintended consequences (engines overheating because 
 the lights block the radiator). The headlights that come with the car 
 rarely have any issues...

 The beauty of a bike that is designed from the onset for lights is that 
 you don't have to think about them. If they are well-designed, they are 
 just there, ready to be switched on when you need them.

 Jan Heine
 Editor
 Bicycle Quarterly
 2116 Western Ave.
 Seattle WA 98121
 http://www.bikequarterly.com

 Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/



 On Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:20:52 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 +1 on that rant. Shouldn't have to buy a rack to make a light work.



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[RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-12 Thread Ron Mc
good information, but otherwise a classy way to rig the light.  

On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:23:38 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On Feb 14 the Blug featured a post about mounting the Edelux II headlight 
 to Mark's Rack.




 As you can see, this is an upside-down mount.  However, as far as I know, 
 there is no Edelux II light currently available that is made for upside 
 down mounting, although Jan Heine at Compass recently said he'd been 
 informed that Schmidt had changed their mind and would in fact make one in 
 future.  Past experience with mounting standard Edelux lights (i.e., units 
 not specifically made for upside-down mounting) upside-down led to lamp 
 failures due to water infiltration and *is most definitely NOT A GOOD 
 IDEA.*  If you want to mount an Edelux upside down, there are two 
 choices: buy an upside-down Edelux I from Compass (last time I looked 
 prices had been reduced to clear inventory) or wait a few months for 
 Schmidt to release an upside-down mount Edelux II.
  

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[RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-12 Thread Jan Heine
Steve is right - the photo shows an Edelux I for hanging mounting – the 
thinner black ring at the front is a dead-giveaway. The Blug post with its 
link to the Edelux II product page could mislead readers into thinking they 
could just attach a standard Edelux II that way, but that would not work 
well at all. The beam pattern would be upside-down. (The Edelux and IQ Cyo 
have a very carefully designed beam pattern that provides even illumination 
from the near- to the far-field, and cut off the beam at the top to prevent 
blinding oncoming traffic.)

The Edelux II has a wider beam and in general is preferable over the 
already-excellent original Edelux. The version for hanging mounting is 
still months away – it appears that demand for the standard Edelux II has 
the good people at Schmidt in Germany more than busy!

Jan Heine
Editor
Bicycle Quarterly
www.bikequarterly.com

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[RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-12 Thread Anton Tutter
Perhaps because it can control a taillight?  ;-)

Anton


On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 9:05:15 AM UTC-4, Jan Heine wrote:

  The version for hanging mounting is still months away – it appears that 
 demand for the standard Edelux II has the good people at Schmidt in Germany 
 more than busy!

 Jan Heine
 Editor
 Bicycle Quarterly
 www.bikequarterly.com

 Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/


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[RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-12 Thread Evan Baird
Not to beat a dead horse, but there are several solutions which allow you 
to mount the light the right way up. Wouldn't you want to light positioned 
further forward anyway?

http://harriscyclery.net/product/m.a.p.-fender-mount-for-headlight-3607.htm

http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-341/Light-Bracket-for-Edelux/Detail

http://shop.boxdogbikes.com/products/bdb-handmade-light-mount

http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/wingmann-light-mount

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[RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-12 Thread Leslie
http://m.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/8351739256/in/set-72157623199721925/lightbox/

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[RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-12 Thread blakcloud
Rob Perks from Ocean Air Cycles has a creative set up which you can 
seehere.http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/8718438496/


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[RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-12 Thread Eric
Mounting this light to my old touring bike and Homer Hilsen was often been 
the bane of my existence and I gave it up.

The only time I will mount this light again is when my new custom tourer 
has a DEDICATED light mount constructed on the custom front rack. 

No more jerry-rigging for me too much of pain. I was able to mount the 
light on my Mark's Rack but it was such a pain (secret: it involved a 
Pitlock skewer to prevent theft) and it looked awful too. 

Why doesn't Riv just have Nitto fashion a light mount onto the racks they 
offer? 

It's a $200 light! I'm sure Nitto can weld on a simple solution. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Edelux - Blug Post

2014-03-12 Thread Chris Chen
a bit dramatic aren't we
On Mar 12, 2014 8:29 PM, Eric ericwolfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mounting this light to my old touring bike and Homer Hilsen was often been
 the bane of my existence and I gave it up.

 The only time I will mount this light again is when my new custom tourer
 has a DEDICATED light mount constructed on the custom front rack.

 No more jerry-rigging for me too much of pain. I was able to mount the
 light on my Mark's Rack but it was such a pain (secret: it involved a
 Pitlock skewer to prevent theft) and it looked awful too.

 Why doesn't Riv just have Nitto fashion a light mount onto the racks they
 offer?

 It's a $200 light! I'm sure Nitto can weld on a simple solution.


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