[RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[Ty Smith]

Beautifully written and photographed. "Poetic," comes to mind. 

Thanks for taking me there with you. I appreciate this especially as  for 
the last six months I'm dealing with some chronic pain issues, so longish 
rides (thought not all rides!) are out for me. I miss being out in nature 
and your prose and pictures put me right in the saddle.

"Grin" indeed.

Ty

On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 4:09:09 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which the fixie flywheel dramatically increases traction both up and 
> down snowpack and slicksnow and I get out farther than ever under 
> conditions that would have frozen my derailer and that did freeze my front 
> brake.
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/rampart-fixed-gear-snow-ride 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[Abcyclehank]

The available Jumbo Mountain Mixte is gone already checked Thursday.

Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[Kainalu V.]

Patrick, the mountain mixte is the obvious answer! I'm new to this mountain 
mixte thing, but I've found it to be much preferable to the other option. With 
a step through you can really dance around, allowing for maximum finesse on 
rocky trails. Being able to catamaran your body so readily and completely is 
super fun as well a huge advantage. Not to mention fitting in with your Clemmed 
family!
And, as you're comfortable on a 66 quickbeam, that (still available?) Mega 
mountain mixte of Will's design would be almost ideal except for the vertical 
dropouts, which would be simple to swap out for horizontals by any one of 
Colorado's many skilled frame builders.

Abandon most gears 
-Kai 
BK NY 

P.s.- gonna swap my quickbeam's bars and flop my wheel to fixed as soon as I 
finish this eggnog 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[Deacon Patrick]

Phil, I’m not sure where the links were. I did a lot of searching. Some likely 
on MTBr.com.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[Patrick Moore]

But be aware that, as with Nitto putting 7 lb max limits on racks, some
mfrs may put "cya" restrictions on their products.

It may well be that the ENO suffers more from the pull of high torque
pedaling than, say, a Phil fixed hub with allen bolts; but I've yet to be
convinced mfr's disclaimers notwithstanding.

(But if someone can give real evidence, I'll accept it.) (Someone go put a
32/28 gear on their ENO and ride up a very steep hill, already.)

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> I will look into the Philcentric BB, Justin. Thank you.
>
> One of the things I’ve learned trying a LOT of different ways of going
> about “x” is it rarely goes well when the purpose of a thing and it’s use
> don’t match up. The less alligned purpose and use are the more fiddly and
> frustrating it will go. So, I’m working with Grant on this question, and
> happy to bow to a manufacture when they say ogre pedaling is outside it’s
> purpose. Grin.
>
> Anyone have a mountain mixte they’ve rethought? Grin.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[Deacon Patrick]

I will look into the Philcentric BB, Justin. Thank you.

One of the things I’ve learned trying a LOT of different ways of going about 
“x” is it rarely goes well when the purpose of a thing and it’s use don’t match 
up. The less alligned purpose and use are the more fiddly and frustrating it 
will go. So, I’m working with Grant on this question, and happy to bow to a 
manufacture when they say ogre pedaling is outside it’s purpose. Grin.

Anyone have a mountain mixte they’ve rethought? Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[Justin August]

Did you already explore this Phil bottom bracket?
http://www.philwood.com/products/bbpages/philcentric.php

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> True, Doug. Requires a larger bottom bracket shell, though.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[Eric Daume]

The torque on the ENO won't come from the high gears, but from the low,
where you're putting more mechanical advantage through the gears.

Has White industries actually said it's a no go for the gear you want to
use? I'm guessing it would be fine.

Eric

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Perhaps you put out more torque than I do, but I never had a problem with
> my 2 ENOs when climbing hills in relatively high gears (again, 70" road,
> 63" off road).
>
> I think more research is in order here.
>
> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
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>> Ian, I believe it is an issue with not holding chain tension under high
>> torque.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[Philip Williamson]

Can you share links to forum posts recounting loss of tension with the ENO hub 
in low gears? 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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[RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[Ian A]

Ah yes, that makes sense. Your Hunq is definitely subject to significant torque 
and having the chain tension fail under load, up a hill with a week's worth of 
groceries could be an unfortunate event.

I see a third bike in the offing :)

IanA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[lum gim fong]

 I'd leave the Hunq alone and just buy another single speed if poss. Remember: 
'Once you haq you can't go baq!".

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[Deacon Patrick]

True, Doug. Requires a larger bottom bracket shell, though.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[dougP]

Tandems use an eccentric BB to allow tensioning the front chain.  Would 
that work?

dougP

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>
> If the ENO is a no go then it seems like you have 3 options: 
> 1) “Magic” gear marching front and rear that gives you perfect chain 
> length 
> 2) Cut out dropouts and get something brazed in that will allow chain 
> tenisioning. 
> 3) cut out Bottom Bracket shell and get something brazed in that allows 
> chain tensioning. 
>
> I am struggling the think of anything else. 1) is the least likely to 
> succeed with 3 being a near tie and 2 looking like a clear winner. 
> -J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[Deacon Patrick]

You got it, Justin. New dropouts is the option being explored.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[Patrick Moore]

Has anyone else heard of the ENO eccentric shifting under load? I read a
great deal about it some years ago when I was using them and heard nothing
about this. A quick Google (vt) only turned up reports of the axle shifting
in the dropouts.

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> If the ENO is a no go then it seems like you have 3 options:
> 1) “Magic” gear marching front and rear that gives you perfect chain length
> 2) Cut out dropouts and get something brazed in that will allow chain
> tenisioning.
> 3) cut out Bottom Bracket shell and get something brazed in that allows
> chain tensioning.
>
> I am struggling the think of anything else. 1) is the least likely to
> succeed with 3 being a near tie and 2 looking like a clear winner.
> -J
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[Justin, Oakland]

If the ENO is a no go then it seems like you have 3 options:
1) “Magic” gear marching front and rear that gives you perfect chain length
2) Cut out dropouts and get something brazed in that will allow chain 
tenisioning. 
3) cut out Bottom Bracket shell and get something brazed in that allows chain 
tensioning. 

I am struggling the think of anything else. 1) is the least likely to succeed 
with 3 being a near tie and 2 looking like a clear winner. 
-J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[Deacon Patrick]

I’m going to trust White Industries knows thier products better than I. Grin. 
No more research needed for me. Loosing chain tension is apparently fairly 
common for high-torque riders on the forums I researched, which is why I asked 
the question.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[Patrick Moore]

Perhaps you put out more torque than I do, but I never had a problem with
my 2 ENOs when climbing hills in relatively high gears (again, 70" road,
63" off road).

I think more research is in order here.

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> torque.
>
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[RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[Deacon Patrick]

Ian, I believe it is an issue with not holding chain tension under high torque.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[Patrick Moore]

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 5:03 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> ...
> Patrick, I’m all in for fixed. It is another level ahead in terms of brain
> feel, and I’ll take all I can get. Definately not a seasonal change.
>

https://youtu.be/XnqJ41aDFfc?t=52


> I’m puzzling how to best go about the Hunqapillar conversion and in
> conversation with Grant. The Eno Eccentric hub is a no go because of the
> high torque.


What is the problem with the ENO and torque? I had no problems with it off
road or on.

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[RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[Ian A]

Now, that is curious. What is it about the high torque that negates the option 
of the ENO on the Hunq? Is there a fear of snapping the right side drop out? 
I've never heard of the ENO causing such a problem.

Curious in Canada,
IanA

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[RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[lum gim fong]

So in England they would freewheel or fixed for which season and why? I 
don't understand.


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[RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[Craig Montgomery]

That's why the Brits had rear wheels that allowed freewheel on one side and 
fixed on the other. Come winter they'd flip the wheel, remove derailleur, 
shorten chain and off into a Northwest European winter. 

Craig in a Southwest American winter in Tucson

On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 5:09:09 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which the fixie flywheel dramatically increases traction both up and 
> down snowpack and slicksnow and I get out farther than ever under 
> conditions that would have frozen my derailer and that did freeze my front 
> brake.
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/rampart-fixed-gear-snow-ride 
>
> With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[Deacon Patrick]

Lum, 65” and 42” (freewheel is a bit higher at 68” and 46”). I have a 44t cog 
and I may have room for it (technically I do, but that may be only with smaller 
tires, which I’m not going to do). That would give me a 70” top gear. But I 
really don’t see the need for it.
Patrick, I’m all in for fixed. It is another level ahead in terms of brain 
feel, and I’ll take all I can get. Definately not a seasonal change.

I’m puzzling how to best go about the Hunqapillar conversion and in 
conversation with Grant. The Eno Eccentric hub is a no go because of the high 
torque.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

[lum gim fong]

Patric,
What inches are you using in your mountainous terrain? 

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