[RBW] Re: Foss tubes
Rene Last time I was there at Riv HQ I scanned the garage-sale leftovers table. I scored an A Homer Hilsen cap that only fits freakishly large domes like mine. Under the table were the Foss tubes for $10. They were mostly or all 650B x Fat. I asked Vince about it and he said that it seems that they weren't what people thought they were. I took that to mean that enough people complained about them that they decided to simplify and stop carrying them. One misperception I can imagine people having is that they are flat-proof. I've had two flats with Foss tubes. I was pleased that they were trivially easy to patch with the Fossy patches, but I would have been bummed if I thought they were flat-proof and hadn't bought the special patches. The other weird thing about them that I have noticed is that they seem to have thinned out at the rim well, where they are pressed against the adhesive rim strip. I just swapped tires on the Hilsen last night and pulled them out. The poly material seems paper thin in that area now. Maybe if that gets much thinner I'll start to see slow de-pressurizing like you? I'm still using the Foss tubes, one pair of 650xnarrow and I have one pair of 650xFAT for when I run knobbies on the Bomba. I'm not throwing them out, but all my backstock of 650B tubes are now Schwalbes. On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:54:37 AM UTC-8, René wrote: I have Foss tubes on my Betty. The rear one is losing air perceptbly every day, but at a very slow rate so it doesn't go flat in a day but I can tell the difference from morning (pumped before I leave the house) to evening when I ride back. I'm going to pull the tube out to see if I can detect anything, but was wondering what the overall feeling is for these now. Keep them or go back to Schwalbe tubes? Riv doesn't seem to be selling them anymore... is that a clue? René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Foss tubes
Pulled the tubes last winter when switching to studded tires. The tubes had stretched enough they wouldn't fit the slightly smaller tires. Plus, they were really stiff. Never got around to putting them back on. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jan 24, 2013 2:47 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Rene Last time I was there at Riv HQ I scanned the garage-sale leftovers table. I scored an A Homer Hilsen cap that only fits freakishly large domes like mine. Under the table were the Foss tubes for $10. They were mostly or all 650B x Fat. I asked Vince about it and he said that it seems that they weren't what people thought they were. I took that to mean that enough people complained about them that they decided to simplify and stop carrying them. One misperception I can imagine people having is that they are flat-proof. I've had two flats with Foss tubes. I was pleased that they were trivially easy to patch with the Fossy patches, but I would have been bummed if I thought they were flat-proof and hadn't bought the special patches. The other weird thing about them that I have noticed is that they seem to have thinned out at the rim well, where they are pressed against the adhesive rim strip. I just swapped tires on the Hilsen last night and pulled them out. The poly material seems paper thin in that area now. Maybe if that gets much thinner I'll start to see slow de-pressurizing like you? I'm still using the Foss tubes, one pair of 650xnarrow and I have one pair of 650xFAT for when I run knobbies on the Bomba. I'm not throwing them out, but all my backstock of 650B tubes are now Schwalbes. On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:54:37 AM UTC-8, René wrote: I have Foss tubes on my Betty. The rear one is losing air perceptbly every day, but at a very slow rate so it doesn't go flat in a day but I can tell the difference from morning (pumped before I leave the house) to evening when I ride back. I'm going to pull the tube out to see if I can detect anything, but was wondering what the overall feeling is for these now. Keep them or go back to Schwalbe tubes? Riv doesn't seem to be selling them anymore... is that a clue? René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Foss tubes
When I ordered 650b Foss tubes I received 26 inchers, and assumed that it was intentional on Riv's part. I subsequently had a lot of problems with them. Guess I should have given a call and asked. On Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:47:07 PM UTC-7, William wrote: Rene Last time I was there at Riv HQ I scanned the garage-sale leftovers table. I scored an A Homer Hilsen cap that only fits freakishly large domes like mine. Under the table were the Foss tubes for $10. They were mostly or all 650B x Fat. I asked Vince about it and he said that it seems that they weren't what people thought they were. I took that to mean that enough people complained about them that they decided to simplify and stop carrying them. One misperception I can imagine people having is that they are flat-proof. I've had two flats with Foss tubes. I was pleased that they were trivially easy to patch with the Fossy patches, but I would have been bummed if I thought they were flat-proof and hadn't bought the special patches. The other weird thing about them that I have noticed is that they seem to have thinned out at the rim well, where they are pressed against the adhesive rim strip. I just swapped tires on the Hilsen last night and pulled them out. The poly material seems paper thin in that area now. Maybe if that gets much thinner I'll start to see slow de-pressurizing like you? I'm still using the Foss tubes, one pair of 650xnarrow and I have one pair of 650xFAT for when I run knobbies on the Bomba. I'm not throwing them out, but all my backstock of 650B tubes are now Schwalbes. On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:54:37 AM UTC-8, René wrote: I have Foss tubes on my Betty. The rear one is losing air perceptbly every day, but at a very slow rate so it doesn't go flat in a day but I can tell the difference from morning (pumped before I leave the house) to evening when I ride back. I'm going to pull the tube out to see if I can detect anything, but was wondering what the overall feeling is for these now. Keep them or go back to Schwalbe tubes? Riv doesn't seem to be selling them anymore... is that a clue? René On Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:47:07 PM UTC-7, William wrote: Rene Last time I was there at Riv HQ I scanned the garage-sale leftovers table. I scored an A Homer Hilsen cap that only fits freakishly large domes like mine. Under the table were the Foss tubes for $10. They were mostly or all 650B x Fat. I asked Vince about it and he said that it seems that they weren't what people thought they were. I took that to mean that enough people complained about them that they decided to simplify and stop carrying them. One misperception I can imagine people having is that they are flat-proof. I've had two flats with Foss tubes. I was pleased that they were trivially easy to patch with the Fossy patches, but I would have been bummed if I thought they were flat-proof and hadn't bought the special patches. The other weird thing about them that I have noticed is that they seem to have thinned out at the rim well, where they are pressed against the adhesive rim strip. I just swapped tires on the Hilsen last night and pulled them out. The poly material seems paper thin in that area now. Maybe if that gets much thinner I'll start to see slow de-pressurizing like you? I'm still using the Foss tubes, one pair of 650xnarrow and I have one pair of 650xFAT for when I run knobbies on the Bomba. I'm not throwing them out, but all my backstock of 650B tubes are now Schwalbes. On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:54:37 AM UTC-8, René wrote: I have Foss tubes on my Betty. The rear one is losing air perceptbly every day, but at a very slow rate so it doesn't go flat in a day but I can tell the difference from morning (pumped before I leave the house) to evening when I ride back. I'm going to pull the tube out to see if I can detect anything, but was wondering what the overall feeling is for these now. Keep them or go back to Schwalbe tubes? Riv doesn't seem to be selling them anymore... is that a clue? René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Foss tubes
I finally got the freetime to get my 650B narrow Foss tubes installed. It's on the Hilsen with Hetres. I did a 25 miler in the Berkeley hills today and the Hetres ran as plump, cushy, smooth and rocket fast as usual. I noted no difference in stiffness than when I've run the same tires with regular butyl tubes. I am not very sensitive to that sort of thing, so it's entirely possible I wanted it to feel the same, and so it did. But that's my report all the same. Un-freaking-believably nice day out there in the East Bay. Dare I saya Super Sunday? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/FmPQ0bJnqqUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Foss tubes
Don't have the Foss tubes on a bike right now. Was going to use them year round on a winter bike, but they were awfully tough to get on a rim in cool (freezing or below) weather. They also didn't want to fit under a slightly smaller studded tire. Which comes to my other complaint - I personally didn't like the ride feel. Yes, almost certainly a princess and the pea type thing. But in my mind, under a set of 26x2.0 Marathon Duremes, they felt stiff. Road bumps seemed more jarring. Again, that is all personal. And just my opinion. Oh, and as far as I can tell, we don't have goatheads here. Small little burrs and stickers, but nothing like the size of a goathead. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Feb 1, 9:54 pm, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I have been using them for a couple of months now. Reviewed the movie that shows how to install them (just do a search online and you'll find it) as well as some additional clips that show how to fix punctures using a match instead of patches. I'm currently using them on the Betty and the Hunqapillar. Haven't had any flats yet and this isn't goat-head season so can't speak on that regard. On the Hunqapillar I'm using Marathon Duremes 40 which are puncture resistant anyway but in the Betty I'm running red Hetres. Not a lot of mileage, unfortunately, but no issues whatsoever. Perhaps they tend to lose air a bit faster than the Schwalbe tubes I was using, but not a big deal. Had two Schwalbe tubes slowly deflate overnight with no apparent punctures, perhaps just a bad batch or some micro-puncture I couldn't detect with the usual methods. René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Foss tubes
I've been using them for about 4 months on my daily commuter / Marathon Supreme 40's. The web instructions are odd but improving. You don't need to use the blue rim tape provided though I did I wouldn't again. The valve stem isn't threaded, there is no nut to thread over and lock down. Some instructions I've seen claimed a rubber grommet is included for the the valve stem but I didn't receive one. I seem to have to top off the air a little more often than with standard tubes. I was careful to ensure presta valve properly screwed down. I experienced my first FOSS flat about 2 weeks ago but haven't repaired it yet, just replaced the tube. Symptoms are, depending on severity of puncture I suppose, an imperceptible soft deflation over several hours / night. I noticed the rear tire kind of soft one morning and just inflated it and rode to work. Next morning soft again. That's when it dawned on me. Puncture. I read that early batches had problems with leaks at welds though don't know that's the case here. So, as has been noted FOSS tubes aren't really flat protection but a way possibly get home or to a safe place of repair. Jay, I've used Marathon Plus and now Supreme's exclusively for four years now. They provide flat protection but there is no flat guarantee, it just depends on where the offending bit strikes the tire. I had a roofing nail sticking out of the center of the tire with no damage but a sliver of wire found it's way along the side. I've gone years without a flat and then a couple within a month. The only gripe I have with wire bead Schwalbe's is they can be murder to mount. Some go on easy, others leave you sweating. I've read videos on mounting by hand alone and others requiring motorcycle levers ... I've done both. I much prefer folding bead. Mitch Browne San Luis Obispo, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/A7xRO77K2T4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Foss tubes
I'd be particularly interested in learning if they provide any protection against goatheads On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:37 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just about to switch to them. I finally got my first flat with my SOMA XPress (which to my eye appears to be the 650B Pasela TG). I had gone 5000miles with zero and didn't want to jinx it. Now that perfection has been broken, I'll switch out to the Foss tubes I have here in my parts box. If I never get a flat, I won't know what debris they work for and don't work for. :) But if I do get a flat, and can identify the culprit, then I'll let the group know. Knock-wood! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/aqN0WHzErOcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Foss tubes
I wont be able to tell you about goatheads, most likely, since I don't know what a goathead is. Whenever I see the word my brain for some reason wants to say GO-THEDD. It sounds like a prickly clump of plant detritus. Do I have those in the SFBay area? I think probably not. Every flat I've gotten over the last 30 years has been glass or metal or a thorn. I can't imagine that a 'goathead' is just a thorn. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/I7VKsMSSpwUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Foss tubes
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribulus_terrestris -- scroll down for the puncture culprits. I didn't mean you in particular, but anyone who can say how well these tubes do against the above, please post your results onlist. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:52 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I wont be able to tell you about goatheads, most likely, since I don't know what a goathead is. Whenever I see the word my brain for some reason wants to say GO-THEDD. It sounds like a prickly clump of plant detritus. Do I have those in the SFBay area? I think probably not. Every flat I've gotten over the last 30 years has been glass or metal or a thorn. I can't imagine that a 'goathead' is just a thorn. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/I7VKsMSSpwUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Foss tubes
Oh! See? When you said goatheads are from the devil, here I had a mental image of a Satanic pentagram and a goat's actual head on a heavy metal t-shirt. Like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigil_of_Baphomet -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/x0ek9-XGXxMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Foss tubes
They provide protection in the sense I didn't know something was amiss until the tire actually went flat. Maybe if I was really in-tune with my tire pressure I'd have noticed my bi-weekly fill up needed a little more air than usual. Patching is easy though. I think as long as I use air in my tires and not cement an annual flat is just a part of bicycle riding. Also use 700 x35 marathon supreme in front and have two flats in two years, keep at about 50 to 60 lbs. Not bad. Regards, Ray On Feb 1, 11:16 am, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone try these yet? How do they compare to Slime Lites? Do they work for glass and wires or just nails and tacks? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Foss tubes
We have goatheads galore in Stockton, don't know why you would be free from them in the Bay Area. Bill On Feb 1, 2:52 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I wont be able to tell you about goatheads, most likely, since I don't know what a goathead is. Whenever I see the word my brain for some reason wants to say GO-THEDD. It sounds like a prickly clump of plant detritus. Do I have those in the SFBay area? I think probably not. Every flat I've gotten over the last 30 years has been glass or metal or a thorn. I can't imagine that a 'goathead' is just a thorn. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Foss tubes
I have been using them for a couple of months now. Reviewed the movie that shows how to install them (just do a search online and you'll find it) as well as some additional clips that show how to fix punctures using a match instead of patches. I'm currently using them on the Betty and the Hunqapillar. Haven't had any flats yet and this isn't goat-head season so can't speak on that regard. On the Hunqapillar I'm using Marathon Duremes 40 which are puncture resistant anyway but in the Betty I'm running red Hetres. Not a lot of mileage, unfortunately, but no issues whatsoever. Perhaps they tend to lose air a bit faster than the Schwalbe tubes I was using, but not a big deal. Had two Schwalbe tubes slowly deflate overnight with no apparent punctures, perhaps just a bad batch or some micro-puncture I couldn't detect with the usual methods. René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Foss tubes
You may know already, and forgive me if you do, but for the longest, I didn't know: Schwalbe tubes have the bonus feature of a removable stem. I spent many months trying to find punctures in my Schwalbe tubes until I finally recognized that the problem was a slow leak from a loose valve stem (which can loosen when you take the cap off carelessly, or put the pump on wrong). Embarrassing, but boy was it nice to get it figured out finally. A couple of good twists with the needle nose ( there's a squared off space on the stem) may end your mysterious spate of flats. On Feb 1, 9:54 pm, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I have been using them for a couple of months now. Reviewed the movie that shows how to install them (just do a search online and you'll find it) as well as some additional clips that show how to fix punctures using a match instead of patches. I'm currently using them on the Betty and the Hunqapillar. Haven't had any flats yet and this isn't goat-head season so can't speak on that regard. On the Hunqapillar I'm using Marathon Duremes 40 which are puncture resistant anyway but in the Betty I'm running red Hetres. Not a lot of mileage, unfortunately, but no issues whatsoever. Perhaps they tend to lose air a bit faster than the Schwalbe tubes I was using, but not a big deal. Had two Schwalbe tubes slowly deflate overnight with no apparent punctures, perhaps just a bad batch or some micro-puncture I couldn't detect with the usual methods. René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Foss Tubes
When engineers do goofy things they will defend them to the death! Or the next day, when they quietly de-goof the whole operation. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Sep 23, 7:37 pm, Way Rebb grayc...@mac.com wrote: Oops, I meant to put a smily thing or an LOL after the engineer comment. :) On Sep 23, 6:43 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Engineers don't do goofy things, but then they hand it off to the marketing department... On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Way Rebb grayc...@mac.com wrote: The blue tape is rim liner. I took off the old liner, cleaned up the rim a bit and put on the new. Besides being a really nice shade of blue I figured it's all engineered to work together (and engineers don't do goofy things). I even looked around the net a bit before I bought them which led to their web site which had an installation manual. http://www.foss.com.tw/default.php?language=_eng Regards, Ray On Sep 23, 12:15 pm, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I now have the right size tube in my possession, but am still perplexed about what to do with the role of two sided tape. What have others done - glued it to the rim tape, replaced the rim tape, glued it to the inside of the tire, created another dust catcher on a shelf, or tossed it out? michael, keeping the rubber side down and the sunny side up -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Foss Tubes
It was not a goof - it was an unintended feature. Still, these tubes seem interesting. Could be very nice for winter riding when I don't want to worry about a flat tire. Can one assume the rim strip is sticky on both sides to prevent tube creep and possible problems with tearing out the valve? Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sep 24, 2:27 am, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: When engineers do goofy things they will defend them to the death! Or the next day, when they quietly de-goof the whole operation. Philip Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com On Sep 23, 7:37 pm, Way Rebb grayc...@mac.com wrote: Oops, I meant to put a smily thing or an LOL after the engineer comment. :) On Sep 23, 6:43 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Engineers don't do goofy things, but then they hand it off to the marketing department... On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Way Rebb grayc...@mac.com wrote: The blue tape is rim liner. I took off the old liner, cleaned up the rim a bit and put on the new. Besides being a really nice shade of blue I figured it's all engineered to work together (and engineers don't do goofy things). I even looked around the net a bit before I bought them which led to their web site which had an installation manual. http://www.foss.com.tw/default.php?language=_eng Regards, Ray On Sep 23, 12:15 pm, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I now have the right size tube in my possession, but am still perplexed about what to do with the role of two sided tape. What have others done - glued it to the rim tape, replaced the rim tape, glued it to the inside of the tire, created another dust catcher on a shelf, or tossed it out? michael, keeping the rubber side down and the sunny side up -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Foss Tubes
OK, I now have the right size tube in my possession, but am still perplexed about what to do with the role of two sided tape. What have others done - glued it to the rim tape, replaced the rim tape, glued it to the inside of the tire, created another dust catcher on a shelf, or tossed it out? michael, keeping the rubber side down and the sunny side up -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/XS1rClsj8BsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Foss Tubes
The blue tape is rim liner. I took off the old liner, cleaned up the rim a bit and put on the new. Besides being a really nice shade of blue I figured it's all engineered to work together (and engineers don't do goofy things). I even looked around the net a bit before I bought them which led to their web site which had an installation manual. http://www.foss.com.tw/default.php?language=_eng Regards, Ray On Sep 23, 12:15 pm, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I now have the right size tube in my possession, but am still perplexed about what to do with the role of two sided tape. What have others done - glued it to the rim tape, replaced the rim tape, glued it to the inside of the tire, created another dust catcher on a shelf, or tossed it out? michael, keeping the rubber side down and the sunny side up -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Foss Tubes
Engineers don't do goofy things, but then they hand it off to the marketing department... On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Way Rebb grayc...@mac.com wrote: The blue tape is rim liner. I took off the old liner, cleaned up the rim a bit and put on the new. Besides being a really nice shade of blue I figured it's all engineered to work together (and engineers don't do goofy things). I even looked around the net a bit before I bought them which led to their web site which had an installation manual. http://www.foss.com.tw/default.php?language=_eng Regards, Ray On Sep 23, 12:15 pm, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I now have the right size tube in my possession, but am still perplexed about what to do with the role of two sided tape. What have others done - glued it to the rim tape, replaced the rim tape, glued it to the inside of the tire, created another dust catcher on a shelf, or tossed it out? michael, keeping the rubber side down and the sunny side up -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Foss Tubes
Oops, I meant to put a smily thing or an LOL after the engineer comment. :) On Sep 23, 6:43 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Engineers don't do goofy things, but then they hand it off to the marketing department... On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Way Rebb grayc...@mac.com wrote: The blue tape is rim liner. I took off the old liner, cleaned up the rim a bit and put on the new. Besides being a really nice shade of blue I figured it's all engineered to work together (and engineers don't do goofy things). I even looked around the net a bit before I bought them which led to their web site which had an installation manual. http://www.foss.com.tw/default.php?language=_eng Regards, Ray On Sep 23, 12:15 pm, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I now have the right size tube in my possession, but am still perplexed about what to do with the role of two sided tape. What have others done - glued it to the rim tape, replaced the rim tape, glued it to the inside of the tire, created another dust catcher on a shelf, or tossed it out? michael, keeping the rubber side down and the sunny side up -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Foss Tubes
Michael, I just received a Riv box o' FOSS for my Marathon Supreme 40's They shipped 700 x 1.35-1.75 so it looks like you have extra large. I don't know if I have to replace my Velox with the included apparent rim strips but will find out soon. Mitch San Luis Obispo, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/JArmnumOKeoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Foss Tubes
I would call Rivendell up and ask them On Sep 13, 4:39 pm, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I ordered one of these new Foss Tubes from RBW (forgot to order the proprietary patces, dang) It arrived with a set of warnings, and a role of two sided tape that looks like maybe a new fangled rim tape, but no instructions. It is explicit about only using this tube with the stated tire size. I ordered the medium - 34-44 for use with a Jack Brown, but what arrived is huge and labeled 1.95 (50) - 2.25 (57). Should I return this tube or try to use it? Assuming the inclosed tape is a new kind of rim tape, do I replace the current tape or install it over the existing tape? Does anyone have personal experience with these tubes and what can they share? Thanks, michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Foss tubes?
I did some quick googling and saw some complaints about the tubes blowing at high pressures This shouldn't be a problem with those of us that use fat tires at lower pressures. S. On Aug 25, 7:55 pm, Dan Abelson d...@abelsons.net wrote: I did some quick googling and saw some complaints about the tubes blowing at high pressures and some other issues. I think while the idea sounds good, I will wait until it is more mature before spending that much on tubes or putting them on a winter bike. Dan Abelson On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 7:37 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Agree with Dan. Seem to be a good choice for winter bikes. Or maybe under the Schwalbe Kojaks (see other thread). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Aug 25, 2:48 pm, Dan Abelson d...@abelsons.net wrote: Interesting. Pricey but I could see using them on my winter bike. A flat when it is 0 is no fun. On Aug 25, 2011 1:09 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have any experience using these: http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/foss-tubes-700c/10-014 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Foss tubes?
Agree with Dan. Seem to be a good choice for winter bikes. Or maybe under the Schwalbe Kojaks (see other thread). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Aug 25, 2:48 pm, Dan Abelson d...@abelsons.net wrote: Interesting. Pricey but I could see using them on my winter bike. A flat when it is 0 is no fun. On Aug 25, 2011 1:09 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have any experience using these: http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/foss-tubes-700c/10-014 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Foss tubes?
I did some quick googling and saw some complaints about the tubes blowing at high pressures and some other issues. I think while the idea sounds good, I will wait until it is more mature before spending that much on tubes or putting them on a winter bike. Dan Abelson On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 7:37 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Agree with Dan. Seem to be a good choice for winter bikes. Or maybe under the Schwalbe Kojaks (see other thread). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Aug 25, 2:48 pm, Dan Abelson d...@abelsons.net wrote: Interesting. Pricey but I could see using them on my winter bike. A flat when it is 0 is no fun. On Aug 25, 2011 1:09 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have any experience using these: http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/foss-tubes-700c/10-014 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
