[RBW] Re: HAR compatability with Ortlieb Sport Roller classic?

2017-05-09 Thread Ed Carolipio
I have the "Front" Roller classic - different name, same pannier - mounted 
on a HAR with the QL2.1 mount. That fits pretty well with 650b wheels and 
Tektro 720 cantilevers brakes.

--Ed

On Monday, May 8, 2017 at 7:48:51 PM UTC-7, zybariver wrote:
>
> I searched the archives but didn't get a definitive answer on whether the 
> Hub Area rack will play nice with the Ortlieb Sport Roller classic.  Can 
> someone with experience enlighten me?
>
> Greg
> Seattle
>

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[RBW] Re: HAR and Swift panniers?

2014-10-27 Thread Ginz
Hi Folks,

Did anyone figure out this measurement?  


Thanks, John. Swifts are adjustable if one chooses the Arkel hardware 
 option, which I have. The pertinent measurements would be the available 
 horizontal tube between the rearward vertical tube of the rack and the fork 
 blade, and the available horizontal tube in front of the fork.


Inquiring bag users want to know!

Thanks,
Ginz 

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[RBW] Re: HAR and Swift panniers?

2014-10-17 Thread Bob Cook
Thanks, John. Swifts are adjustable if one chooses the Arkel hardware 
option, which I have. The pertinent measurements would be the available 
horizontal tube between the rearward vertical tube of the rack and the fork 
blade, and the available horizontal tube in front of the fork.

Any chance you could post a picture (or send privately, as you prefer) of a 
mounted pannier from the other side of the front wheel, to show how you 
made it work?

--
Bob

On Thursday, October 16, 2014 7:52:43 PM UTC-5, john muhl wrote:

 On Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:08:28 AM UTC-5, Bob Cook wrote:

 (Apologies if this or a similar question has been answered already; my 
 cursory search of earlier posts turned up nothing.)

 Anyone using the Hub Area Rack to support Swift Industries front 
 panniers? Riv's HAR bags look good, but I'm already in the Swift ecosystem.


 The HAR works great with Ortlieb panniers. If the Swifts use a similar 
 (i.e. adjustable) mounting style there should be no problem; I can 
 measure whatever if you want to be 100%.


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[RBW] Re: HAR and Swift panniers?

2014-10-16 Thread john muhl
On Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:08:28 AM UTC-5, Bob Cook wrote:

 (Apologies if this or a similar question has been answered already; my 
 cursory search of earlier posts turned up nothing.)

 Anyone using the Hub Area Rack to support Swift Industries front panniers? 
 Riv's HAR bags look good, but I'm already in the Swift ecosystem.


The HAR works great with Ortlieb panniers. If the Swifts use a similar 
(i.e. adjustable) mounting style there should be no problem; I can measure 
whatever if you want to be 100%.

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[RBW] Re: HAR!!

2014-08-07 Thread C.J. Filip
HAR fits on my 60cm single, below eyeletted Saluki.  It's sloping down a 
bit but fits some cheapy Racktime Tour panniers no problemo, even with Paul 
Neoretro brake arms sticking way out.  Had to get some assorted different 
to make the deal work.  

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[RBW] Re: HAR!!

2014-08-04 Thread grant
Q/R lever direction: In the old days there were two ways for the rear 
1. Horizontal forward
2. Bisecting the seat and chainstays

and two for the front:
1. Horizontal rear
2. Parallel with fork blade, more or less.

In time trials people made them parallel.

The safety argument for rearward front arguments and front backwards 
horizontal has made sense intuitively for most of a century, I'm sure, but 
kind of comes apart in real life, like this: 

 I remember reading Don't Do This because in a race (or presumably then 
anywhere in tight bike traffic) somebody's front tire could get in between 
the lever and the frame and wronch it open; and if not another rider's 
wheel, maybe a bush or a branch. But imagine the forces required for that 
to happen.

Whether it's another rider's wheel or a stick or anything else...the 
interference will make you crash instantly, and no stunt rider in the world 
could lever either q/r open while on the bike. So it comes down to habit, 
aesthetics, whatever else. I kind of like the 2 o'clock look and the yeah, 
what of it? message it sends. Anyway, the HAB hides it.



On Monday, August 4, 2014 5:43:54 AM UTC+2, Tom Virgil wrote:

 Hi Mike,

 Mounted mine on Sam Hilborne today.  I can place a ruler across the top 
 horizontal bar and post a photo if that would help you.

 My olive bags arrive Tuesday.  I can shutterbug that as well.

 I was somewhat bemused that the right rack came in a bag package boldly 
 labeled LEFT and the left rack came in a bag package boldly labeled 
 RIGHT.  There is an image printed in the instructions that resolves this. 
  What happened Nitto?

 I am a little put off by not having room to have the quick release lever 
 on the axle skewer facing somewhat forward.  There is just no room for it 
 to close toward the back of the bike.  My thought is that the levers should 
 always be positioned to the read to avoid being opened by an encounter with 
 something.

 Nice set of NBW with the rack, including a hefty spacer washer for the 
 upper attachment.

 Take care,

 Tom





 On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 9:37:57 AM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 Can someone tell me the width of the top where a pannier would attach? 
 And also where the bracket that attaches to the mid fork mount in that 
 length? 
 Want to see if they will fit my current panniers.

 Thanks!

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.

  

 On Thursday, July 3, 2014 11:32:33 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2.htm 



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[RBW] Re: HAR!!

2014-08-04 Thread Bill Lindsay


Just for fun, here's my Hub Area Rack and Olive Hub Area Front Panniers on 
my Quickbeam-ish double-speed.  Bag-match!


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-lWBgYT078M4/U9-jR3MdosI/CJA/pcWDGNVg4rg/s1600/IMG_3496.JPG







On Monday, August 4, 2014 7:47:53 AM UTC-7, grant wrote:

 Q/R lever direction: In the old days there were two ways for the rear 
 1. Horizontal forward
 2. Bisecting the seat and chainstays

 and two for the front:
 1. Horizontal rear
 2. Parallel with fork blade, more or less.

 In time trials people made them parallel.

 The safety argument for rearward front arguments and front backwards 
 horizontal has made sense intuitively for most of a century, I'm sure, but 
 kind of comes apart in real life, like this: 

  I remember reading Don't Do This because in a race (or presumably then 
 anywhere in tight bike traffic) somebody's front tire could get in between 
 the lever and the frame and wronch it open; and if not another rider's 
 wheel, maybe a bush or a branch. But imagine the forces required for that 
 to happen.

 Whether it's another rider's wheel or a stick or anything else...the 
 interference will make you crash instantly, and no stunt rider in the world 
 could lever either q/r open while on the bike. So it comes down to habit, 
 aesthetics, whatever else. I kind of like the 2 o'clock look and the yeah, 
 what of it? message it sends. Anyway, the HAB hides it.




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[RBW] Re: HAR!!

2014-08-03 Thread Tom Virgil
Hi Mike,

Mounted mine on Sam Hilborne today.  I can place a ruler across the top 
horizontal bar and post a photo if that would help you.

My olive bags arrive Tuesday.  I can shutterbug that as well.

I was somewhat bemused that the right rack came in a bag package boldly 
labeled LEFT and the left rack came in a bag package boldly labeled 
RIGHT.  There is an image printed in the instructions that resolves this. 
 What happened Nitto?

I am a little put off by not having room to have the quick release lever on 
the axle skewer facing somewhat forward.  There is just no room for it to 
close toward the back of the bike.  My thought is that the levers should 
always be positioned to the read to avoid being opened by an encounter with 
something.

Nice set of NBW with the rack, including a hefty spacer washer for the 
upper attachment.

Take care,

Tom





On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 9:37:57 AM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 Can someone tell me the width of the top where a pannier would attach? And 
 also where the bracket that attaches to the mid fork mount in that length? 
 Want to see if they will fit my current panniers.

 Thanks!

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.

  

 On Thursday, July 3, 2014 11:32:33 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2.htm 



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[RBW] Re: HAR!!

2014-08-03 Thread Mike Schiller
Thanks Tom  but I already received  my set a few weeks ago.  I decided to 
return them as they don't work with my bags. 

~mike



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[RBW] Re: HAR!!

2014-07-08 Thread jphillip...@icloud.com
Thank you Bill, I came to the same conclusion, but not being an engineer, I 
thought I must have figured something wrong.

I'll bet there's a typo or mistranslation in there somewhere between the 
Japanese and English versions of the instructions.

I think I'll be going with a longer M5 bolt, lock washer, Locktite and a 
lock nut on the end of the bolt.

Cheers,

John

On Monday, July 7, 2014 5:29:20 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 40-60kgfcm equates to approximately 4-6N-m which is pretty tight for an 
 M5.  

 88-132lbf is not a torque unit.  There's no length in it.  88 is just 
 40*2.2 and 132 is 60*2.2, so somebody converted kilogram force to pound 
 force, but that's the right conversion only if you want your torque units 
 to be pound force x cm.  Who would want that?  

 At any rate, that torque spec is pretty tight for an M5.  If you've got a 
 torque wrench try to get there.  I don't have a torque wrench, but I do 
 trust my mechanic hands, and I'd do it tight for an M5.  Tighter than a 
 water bottle or a fender M5.  Tighter than an M5 threaded into aluminum. 
  Not as tight as a seatpost M6.  

 On Monday, July 7, 2014 1:38:46 PM UTC-7, jphil...@icloud.com wrote:

 I received mine this morning. It's a beautiful rack (pair of racks?).

 The torque specifications for the M5 bolts have me puzzled though. I 
 don't understand the kgfcm/lbfft even after converting to Nm's.

 If anyone can explain this to me I would greatly appreciate it:


 *Bolt Torque Specifications:M5: 40-60kgfcm/88-132lbf*

 The 40-60kgfcm makes sense to me, but the /88-132lbf part throws me.

 I spoke to Scott at Riv on Saturday who mentioned Riv might be 
 recommending lock washers instead of the Nitto supplied lock ring washers 
 for the installation.

 He said he found the M5 bolts had started to back out on him after a S24o 
 with about 2-3lbs carried in each bag.

 Cheers, John



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[RBW] Re: HAR!!

2014-07-08 Thread Mike Schiller
Can someone tell me the width of the top where a pannier would attach? And 
also where the bracket that attaches to the mid fork mount in that length? 
Want to see if they will fit my current panniers.

Thanks!

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.

 

On Thursday, July 3, 2014 11:32:33 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2.htm 


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[RBW] Re: HAR!!

2014-07-07 Thread jphillip...@icloud.com
I received mine this morning. It's a beautiful rack (pair of racks?).

The torque specifications for the M5 bolts have me puzzled though. I don't 
understand the kgfcm/lbfft even after converting to Nm's.

If anyone can explain this to me I would greatly appreciate it:


*Bolt Torque Specifications:M5: 40-60kgfcm/88-132lbf*

The 40-60kgfcm makes sense to me, but the /88-132lbf part throws me.

I spoke to Scott at Riv on Saturday who mentioned Riv might be recommending 
lock washers instead of the Nitto supplied lock ring washers for the 
installation.

He said he found the M5 bolts had started to back out on him after a S24o 
with about 2-3lbs carried in each bag.

Cheers, John

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[RBW] Re: HAR!!

2014-07-07 Thread dougP
He said he found the M5 bolts had started to back out on him after a S24o 
with about 2-3lbs carried in each bag.

Whenever there's space, I use a long enough bolt to go all the way thru 
with enough length for a nut, and use nylok nuts.  I've toured with plenty 
of weighty bags for a long time  never had a rack come loose.  Admittedly 
a bit belt'n'suspenders.  

dougP

On Monday, July 7, 2014 1:38:46 PM UTC-7, jphil...@icloud.com wrote:

 I received mine this morning. It's a beautiful rack (pair of racks?).

 The torque specifications for the M5 bolts have me puzzled though. I don't 
 understand the kgfcm/lbfft even after converting to Nm's.

 If anyone can explain this to me I would greatly appreciate it:


 *Bolt Torque Specifications:M5: 40-60kgfcm/88-132lbf*

 The 40-60kgfcm makes sense to me, but the /88-132lbf part throws me.

 I spoke to Scott at Riv on Saturday who mentioned Riv might be 
 recommending lock washers instead of the Nitto supplied lock ring washers 
 for the installation.

 He said he found the M5 bolts had started to back out on him after a S24o 
 with about 2-3lbs carried in each bag.

 Cheers, John


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[RBW] Re: HAR!!

2014-07-07 Thread Bill Lindsay
40-60kgfcm equates to approximately 4-6N-m which is pretty tight for an M5. 
 

88-132lbf is not a torque unit.  There's no length in it.  88 is just 
40*2.2 and 132 is 60*2.2, so somebody converted kilogram force to pound 
force, but that's the right conversion only if you want your torque units 
to be pound force x cm.  Who would want that?  

At any rate, that torque spec is pretty tight for an M5.  If you've got a 
torque wrench try to get there.  I don't have a torque wrench, but I do 
trust my mechanic hands, and I'd do it tight for an M5.  Tighter than a 
water bottle or a fender M5.  Tighter than an M5 threaded into aluminum. 
 Not as tight as a seatpost M6.  

On Monday, July 7, 2014 1:38:46 PM UTC-7, jphil...@icloud.com wrote:

 I received mine this morning. It's a beautiful rack (pair of racks?).

 The torque specifications for the M5 bolts have me puzzled though. I don't 
 understand the kgfcm/lbfft even after converting to Nm's.

 If anyone can explain this to me I would greatly appreciate it:


 *Bolt Torque Specifications:M5: 40-60kgfcm/88-132lbf*

 The 40-60kgfcm makes sense to me, but the /88-132lbf part throws me.

 I spoke to Scott at Riv on Saturday who mentioned Riv might be 
 recommending lock washers instead of the Nitto supplied lock ring washers 
 for the installation.

 He said he found the M5 bolts had started to back out on him after a S24o 
 with about 2-3lbs carried in each bag.

 Cheers, John


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[RBW] Re: HAR!!

2014-07-04 Thread Tom Virgil
Done.  Ordered.  Hove to wait to August for olive bags, though.

I have wanted these since hearing of them and being on an S24O with way too 
much too high up in the front.

~Tom

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 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2.htm 


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[RBW] Re: HAR!!

2014-07-03 Thread dougP
Very classy.  The bags look well thought out, especially the rack 
attachment.  The pocket idea is clever, and being able to use any old strap 
for the top gets away from proprietary clips.  

dougP

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[RBW] Re: HAR!!

2014-07-03 Thread Shoji Takahashi
Been saving up for these, and ordered my set. They'll come in handy with 
the Burley Piccolo trail-a-bike, which doesn't work with my saddlesack when 
kid hauling. 

I thought there was going to-be a hoop? (IIRC, a Blug post on it a 
prototype being ugly, but then it was not necessary... but perhaps holding 
it up from public release..)

No matter-- I think it looks nice, and is well thought.   



On Thursday, July 3, 2014 2:43:05 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:

 Very classy.  The bags look well thought out, especially the rack 
 attachment.  The pocket idea is clever, and being able to use any old strap 
 for the top gets away from proprietary clips.  

 dougP

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 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2.htm 



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[RBW] Re: HAR!!

2014-07-03 Thread Mike Schiller
the rack looks great.  I'm going to order one this week.  Not so sure about 
the bag attachment method. I'd rather have some simple locking clips ( 
which can be added I'm thinking).

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.


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[RBW] Re: HAR!!

2014-07-03 Thread justinaugust
Really wish this hadn't come out in the middle of the great purge.

-J

On Thursday, July 3, 2014 4:28:26 PM UTC-4, Mike Schiller wrote:

 the rack looks great.  I'm going to order one this week.  Not so sure 
 about the bag attachment method. I'd rather have some simple locking clips 
 ( which can be added I'm thinking).

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.




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[RBW] Re: HAR!!

2014-07-03 Thread Michael Hechmer
really nice looking.  They look like they would readily mount Arkel or 
Ortlieb bags.  I wish i needed them!

Michael

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Re: [RBW] Re: HAR!!

2014-07-03 Thread Robert F. Harrison
Yeah they are sure are pretty and I don't need them either. The bike I tour
with on the mainland isn't a Riv and already has lowriders up front.
Locally I don't need to carry a lot for camping so they'd be overkill.
Ordered a set anyway. Darn it. :-)

Aloha,

Bob


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 really nice looking.  They look like they would readily mount Arkel or
 Ortlieb bags.  I wish i needed them!

 Michael


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[RBW] Re: HAR!!

2014-07-03 Thread jphillip...@icloud.com
Does anyone remember what Riv said was the weight limit for these, I can't 
find that BLUG entry.

Or was it posted in an email?

Thanks,

John Phillips 

On Thursday, July 3, 2014 11:32:33 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2.htm 


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[RBW] Re: HAR!!

2014-07-03 Thread dougP
On second look, it appears one will have to open the bag to remove it.  
I've retrofitted a few bags with simple plastic clips from Lone Peak in 
Utah.  Seems like decent plastic but I still keep spares handy.  

The pocket at the bottom is a tidy solution.  They really thought about 
these bags and this rack.  I assume the front tabs with the hole are for 
the recently discussed hoop.  

dougP

On Thursday, July 3, 2014 1:28:26 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 the rack looks great.  I'm going to order one this week.  Not so sure 
 about the bag attachment method. I'd rather have some simple locking clips 
 ( which can be added I'm thinking).

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.




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[RBW] Re: HAR!!

2014-07-03 Thread Mike Schiller
Lone Peak clips are really well made. I prefer them to any of the 
over-complicated ones on Arkel/Ortlieb/etc.  
BTW they moved to Washington state a few years ago.

The two tabs can also be attached to a Nitto Mini with a strut for more 
support. No hoop required!

~mike

On Thursday, July 3, 2014 7:33:01 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 On second look, it appears one will have to open the bag to remove it.  
 I've retrofitted a few bags with simple plastic clips from Lone Peak in 
 Utah.  Seems like decent plastic but I still keep spares handy.  

 The pocket at the bottom is a tidy solution.  They really thought about 
 these bags and this rack.  I assume the front tabs with the hole are for 
 the recently discussed hoop.  

 dougP

 On Thursday, July 3, 2014 1:28:26 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 the rack looks great.  I'm going to order one this week.  Not so sure 
 about the bag attachment method. I'd rather have some simple locking clips 
 ( which can be added I'm thinking).

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.




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[RBW] Re: HAR!!

2014-07-03 Thread Tom Virgil
Fulfillment.  I'm in.  Thank you, Rivendell.

On Thursday, July 3, 2014 11:32:33 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2.htm 


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