Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Philip Kim]

Nice, I love GW park. I've never been biking out there though.

On Monday, August 15, 2016 at 2:12:04 PM UTC-4, kielsun wrote:
>
> I thought I'd follow up on this thread since you all gave me such great 
> tips during the search phase. I ended up settling on the Surly Open Bar for 
> my build, mostly because I was intrigued by the width and thought it would 
> be of benefit on trails. 
>
> I took a three-day bikepacking trip in the George Washington National 
> Forest just outside of Harrisonburg, VA in July, and the bars more than 
> lived up to my expectations. Day one was about 30 miles on tarmac, and I 
> can't say I loved them for this application. The lack of multiple hand 
> positions really left me wanting. When we got to the forest roads and 
> trails, though, I found them to be super comfortable and the width 
> definitely helped me feel like I could throw the bike around a little bit, 
> even though my front (zip-tied) Wald medium basket was nice and full. 
>
> I'm still definitely interested in going with the Jones Bar on my next 
> mtb--hopefully a complete new Surly Troll once I can pinch enough 
> pennies--but the Open Bar definitely fits the bill for what I need out of a 
> bar for now.
>
> Thanks again for all the suggestions and ideas!
>
> Bob in Baltimore
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[kielsun]

I thought I'd follow up on this thread since you all gave me such great 
tips during the search phase. I ended up settling on the Surly Open Bar for 
my build, mostly because I was intrigued by the width and thought it would 
be of benefit on trails. 

I took a three-day bikepacking trip in the George Washington National 
Forest just outside of Harrisonburg, VA in July, and the bars more than 
lived up to my expectations. Day one was about 30 miles on tarmac, and I 
can't say I loved them for this application. The lack of multiple hand 
positions really left me wanting. When we got to the forest roads and 
trails, though, I found them to be super comfortable and the width 
definitely helped me feel like I could throw the bike around a little bit, 
even though my front (zip-tied) Wald medium basket was nice and full. 

I'm still definitely interested in going with the Jones Bar on my next 
mtb--hopefully a complete new Surly Troll once I can pinch enough 
pennies--but the Open Bar definitely fits the bill for what I need out of a 
bar for now.

Thanks again for all the suggestions and ideas!

Bob in Baltimore

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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Hugh Smitham]

I love it. And I love how he decided to live outside the normal conventions
of society. And whynot a dbl stacked handle bar? I get so caught up on new
things and clever design (nothing wrong with that) but this guy just
figured out a design that worked for him. He didn't surf the internet for
that perfect bar, I admire that. Now back to browsing for a new great
handlebar.

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipeedemusings.com/



On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Robert Liebermann 
wrote:

> Maybe it's the AM Coffee talking here, but I've been looking for a place
> to suggest, or at least draw attention to *Heinz Stucke's double-level
> handlebar setup*... may as well throw it in here... I forgot/never knew
> what he used/made for them, but ...
>
> You can see a couple pic here and here if somehow unacquainted with the
> god of velotouring and his handlebars:
> http://www.cyclingnorthwales.co.uk/pages/heinz_st.htm
>
> http://en.turizmglobal.com/meet-the-man-cycling-the-world-about-50-years-heinz-stucke/
>
> robert liebermann
> fox alaska
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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Robert Liebermann]

Maybe it's the AM Coffee talking here, but I've been looking for a place to 
suggest, or at least draw attention to *Heinz Stucke's double-level 
handlebar setup*... may as well throw it in here... I forgot/never knew 
what he used/made for them, but ...

You can see a couple pic here and here if somehow unacquainted with the god 
of velotouring and his handlebars:
http://www.cyclingnorthwales.co.uk/pages/heinz_st.htm
http://en.turizmglobal.com/meet-the-man-cycling-the-world-about-50-years-heinz-stucke/

robert liebermann
fox alaska

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

>
>
> 
>
> I have the Sycip singles bar and love it. It absorbs more vibration than 
> the Jones bar, has about the same sweep, is 26" wide and allows lots of 
> hand room. I use long Grab-on foam grips for extra hand positions. At only 
> $45.00, it's a good buy. 
>

Clayton (Bend) 

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Richard Rios]

Sorry also ment to mention Sycip JJJ bars. They look promising but I have no 
personal experience with them also a bit pricey. Gotta +1 the jones loop h bar. 
Really are my favorites which includes goes with most the usual Riv suspects, 
bosco, alba, noodle, moustache. I found the hand positions to all be pretty 
comfortable and useable.

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Richard Rios]

Check out simworks and the getaround bar. I picked one up and love it. Straight 
bars tend to hurt my wrists but for me this bar has about the perfect amount of 
sweep. It's well priced at 40ish bucks and made by Nitto win! They have been 
out of stock for a bit but last time I checked with simworks they were working 
on restocking...

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[kielsun]

Thanks for the link, Mike! I'm glad you swooped in after my purchase because I 
can't afford the Jones H-Bar anyway! That definitely seems like the best 
long-term option, though. I'll start pinching pennies.

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Mike in WA]

Oops, wrong link, here's the correct product: SOMA High Rider stem adapter 


On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 11:42:22 AM UTC-7, Mike in WA wrote:
>
> You could easily get the Jones H-Bar high enough with a Soma High Rider 
> stem . The Jones 
> H-Bar is absolutely fantastic, I can't imagine ever using another bar, 
> especially for MTB purposes; super stable and comfortable with so many good 
> positions. 
>
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 6:45:18 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>>
>> Have you considered standard MTB bars?  I've tried drops.  I've tried 
>> cruiser bars.  I've tried Albatross bars.  I always go back to a 
>> traditional MTB bar with about 10 degrees of pullback and 38mm of rise. 
>>  There's a reason most MTB's that get ridden off-road use that type of bar. 
>>  
>>
>> A Jones might be an option if your bike were bigger but I doubt you could 
>> get it high enough on an already too-small bike.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 7:36:35 AM UTC-5, kielsun wrote:
>>>
>>> I hesitated posting this here, but it's definitely a Riv-inspired 
>>> conundrum. I'm building up a late 80s Rockhopper and having trouble finding 
>>> the right handlebar setup. It will primarily be a trail and off-road 
>>> camping bike with knobbies. I have my Sam for road riding and don't want 
>>> much overlap between the two.
>>>
>>> The frame is borderline too small for me. It's an 18" and I would 
>>> probably benefit from a 19-19.5", but it should work fine once it's dialed, 
>>> and it's also just a stop-gap until I can save up for a Surly Troll 
>>> frameset or something similar. 
>>>
>>> Riv Content: I want it to be comfortable (but still nimble)--bars at 
>>> saddle height!
>>>
>>> I've considered going with a standard Technomic and Albas, dirt drop 
>>> with straight-ish/mountain riser bars like the Soma Clarence, or even 
>>> trying a threadless conversion stem with drop-style bars. I have cockpit 
>>> parts for any setup: MTB levers and Deore thumb shifters and aero levers 
>>> and Ultegra bar-ends. 
>>>
>>> I've already tried a dirt drop stem with moustache bars. This created 
>>> too much reach because of the bar profile and the non-relaxed geometry of 
>>> the bike. Anything that I should consider that I'm missing?
>>>
>>> I welcome any and all advice based on previous builds or experience. I'm 
>>> pretty new at working on bikes, so you won't offend me with newbie advice. 
>>> Thanks for your help!
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Mike in WA]

You could easily get the Jones H-Bar high enough with a Soma High Rider stem 
. The Jones H-Bar 
is absolutely fantastic, I can't imagine ever using another bar, especially 
for MTB purposes; super stable and comfortable with so many good positions. 

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 6:45:18 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> Have you considered standard MTB bars?  I've tried drops.  I've tried 
> cruiser bars.  I've tried Albatross bars.  I always go back to a 
> traditional MTB bar with about 10 degrees of pullback and 38mm of rise. 
>  There's a reason most MTB's that get ridden off-road use that type of bar. 
>  
>
> A Jones might be an option if your bike were bigger but I doubt you could 
> get it high enough on an already too-small bike.  
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 7:36:35 AM UTC-5, kielsun wrote:
>>
>> I hesitated posting this here, but it's definitely a Riv-inspired 
>> conundrum. I'm building up a late 80s Rockhopper and having trouble finding 
>> the right handlebar setup. It will primarily be a trail and off-road 
>> camping bike with knobbies. I have my Sam for road riding and don't want 
>> much overlap between the two.
>>
>> The frame is borderline too small for me. It's an 18" and I would 
>> probably benefit from a 19-19.5", but it should work fine once it's dialed, 
>> and it's also just a stop-gap until I can save up for a Surly Troll 
>> frameset or something similar. 
>>
>> Riv Content: I want it to be comfortable (but still nimble)--bars at 
>> saddle height!
>>
>> I've considered going with a standard Technomic and Albas, dirt drop with 
>> straight-ish/mountain riser bars like the Soma Clarence, or even trying a 
>> threadless conversion stem with drop-style bars. I have cockpit parts for 
>> any setup: MTB levers and Deore thumb shifters and aero levers and Ultegra 
>> bar-ends. 
>>
>> I've already tried a dirt drop stem with moustache bars. This created too 
>> much reach because of the bar profile and the non-relaxed geometry of the 
>> bike. Anything that I should consider that I'm missing?
>>
>> I welcome any and all advice based on previous builds or experience. I'm 
>> pretty new at working on bikes, so you won't offend me with newbie advice. 
>> Thanks for your help!
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[kielsun]

Ron, thanks again. I dug that picture up in an old thread when ready about the 
MAP bar. Ben, I thought about going bullmoose, but I don't think the stem would 
get the bars up high enough to match the height of my saddle. It's a bummer 
because I really like how they look.

I rode into my favorite LBS this morning to look at some handlebars in person. 
They had the VO Postino, Soma Oxford, and Jones Bend bars in stock, in addition 
to a bunch of generic riser-style bars. The Jones Bend was very, very tempting, 
but I didn't want to take the extra steps to convert to a threadless 31.8 
clamp. 

And so, I bit the bullet and ordered a Surly Open Bar with 40 mm rise. I like 
the idea of the almost Jones-like 666 mm width, and the curve and sweep is also 
pretty similar to the Jones Bend. I also like that it's cromoly and won't 
(likely) snap. I'll pair it with a dirt drop stem to start and if that doesn't 
feel right I'll give a Technomic a go. Let the experimentation begin.

Thanks again for all the great suggestions and ideas! 

Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[BenG]

JUST finished a ride on my big MB-1, using 10cm dirt drop stem with original 
straight Nitto bar. Many days of rugged trails like this. Wrists still want a 
little bar retreat, and neck wants no additional reach. I think the Riv 
Bullmoose bar would be perfect if retreat offsets the extra reach. In your 
case, where frame is a little small, it could be ideal, if Rockhopper takes a 
1" quill stem.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Ron Mc]

Of course people are built differently, I'm 6'3 and all limbs, and a tall, 
shorter-reach bike is what fits me.  But I and use a 100mm stem with drop 
bars on my 59cmTT road bike (63cm ST), and that with short-reach compact 
drops.  But I took that measurement from my properly set-up moustache 
cockpit (70mm Technomic), duplicating hood position on both bikes.  



I also measured the end position on my moustache cockpit to pick the stem 
for my Map bars.  



I took the photo from Joe's website and did a little photoshop to give me a 
reach measurement.  


On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 10:24:51 PM UTC-5, kielsun wrote:
>
> I wouldn't argue. I'm halfway tempted to throw the Moustache bar back on 
> my Sam with a DD stem--it actually came from Riv with a 100 mm Technomic + 
> Moustache combo...
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Robert Keal]

I wouldn't argue. I'm halfway tempted to throw the Moustache bar back on my
Sam with a DD stem--it actually came from Riv with a 100 mm Technomic +
Moustache combo--but I'm happy with the Albas for now, so I won't be going
to the trouble.

Still not settled on a handlebar purchase for my mtb. Silly spending so
much time reading and thinking about this, but then again, maybe not. I'll
pull the trigger on something tomorrow. :)

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Deacon Patrick]

Gotcha. yes, as Ron mentioned, Mustache require 2" (5cm) shorter than a 
regular road bar, so I'd argue you haven't tried them.  Yes, I have 
Mustache (all my Albastache bars are happily in use), and yes, the 
Albastache is its own beastie and well worth trying.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 6:20:24 PM UTC-6, kielsun wrote:
>
> Getting there, Patrick. By "splayed out" I meant that my body felt too 
> elongated with the moustache bars on my Sam. Some of this splay could've 
> been avoided with a dirt drop stem, though. I'm definitely curious about 
> the Albastache if they're truly quite different from moustache bars. 
> Earlier in this thread you said you have a moustache I could try--did you 
> mean Albastache? If so, I'd be keen to give them a go. Thanks.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Hugh Smitham]

Bob,

I tried both the Moustache & Albastache and liked neither. I felt stretched
out and the brake lever position wasn't ideal for me. That said you may
experience them differently. With bikes and most especially with cockpits
there's no substitute for experience. And we change. When I was young I'd
imagine there were lot's of bars I'd have liked but today just not
feasible.

Warm Regards,

~Hugh
On Jun 17, 2016 5:20 PM, "kielsun"  wrote:

> Getting there, Patrick. By "splayed out" I meant that my body felt too
> elongated with the moustache bars on my Sam. Some of this splay could've
> been avoided with a dirt drop stem, though. I'm definitely curious about
> the Albastache if they're truly quite different from moustache bars.
> Earlier in this thread you said you have a moustache I could try--did you
> mean Albastache? If so, I'd be keen to give them a go. Thanks.
>
> Bob
>
> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 4:13:37 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Bob, sounds like you are narrowing things down a bit. Ultimately, it's
>> all an experiment, even if the trial lasts for several years with tweaks
>> along the way. Grin. I have no experience with 2 and 3, but I rode the
>> Albatross bars on my Hunqapillar for two years before swapping to
>> Albastache. For singletrack here on Pikes Peak, I have far less control in
>> climbing and technical descending with my wings spread so wide (I presume
>> what you mean when you describe the brake position of the moustache bars as
>> "splayed out"?). The Albatross bars have a fairly decent climbing position
>> for short climbs in the "sort-of-curves", but for me the wrists got
>> uncomfortable fast there. Steering on climbs was twitchy because of width.
>> On descents, I wanted my hands in the curves, but no brakes. I tried the
>> moustache bars and found them uncomfortable, but the Albastache bars, for
>> me, are the best of both worlds. Brakes where I want to be on descents,
>> control for climbs. I'd suggest you not necessarily rule out the Albastache
>> bar (depending on what "splayed out" means, because the Albatross bars are
>> much more splayed out, at least as I would describe them).
>>
>> Ultimately, the handlebar dilemma is muddy until you find the right one,
>> then things suddenly clear up. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 1:58:33 PM UTC-6, kielsun wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Veloman and Ron.
>>>
>>> Ron, I dug around and found an old post of yours about the Map bar.
>>> Definitely intriguing. I measured the top tube of my Rockhopper and it's
>>> roughly three cm longer than that of my Sam.
>>>
>>> So here are the final few options I'm considering.
>>>
>>> 1. Albatross w/ 120 mm Technomic stem.
>>> 2. Map w/ a dirt drop or short reach (60-80) Technomic.
>>> 3. Surly Open Bar w/ either a dirt drop or short  reach Technomic.
>>>
>>> I love the Albas w/ 100 mm Technomic on my Sam, but the bar ends hit my
>>> knees on tight turns if I'm not careful. I also use the VO seat post with
>>> long setback with that setup to get a bit more stretched out.
>>> Realistically, the 120 mm stem would've solved that issue, but I had
>>> already glued the Meisha's grips. Rookie move! Might feel the need to
>>> change that someday...
>>>
>>> Going with the Albas and some Deore thumb shifters makes sense because
>>> it's a known quantity. I'm less apt to try something new since my budget is
>>> tight (read: non-existent!).
>>>
>>> Bottom line: I just need to choose because I'd probably love any of
>>> these setups and I just want to get this bike on the trail! :)
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[kielsun]

Getting there, Patrick. By "splayed out" I meant that my body felt too 
elongated with the moustache bars on my Sam. Some of this splay could've 
been avoided with a dirt drop stem, though. I'm definitely curious about 
the Albastache if they're truly quite different from moustache bars. 
Earlier in this thread you said you have a moustache I could try--did you 
mean Albastache? If so, I'd be keen to give them a go. Thanks.

Bob

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 4:13:37 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Bob, sounds like you are narrowing things down a bit. Ultimately, it's all 
> an experiment, even if the trial lasts for several years with tweaks along 
> the way. Grin. I have no experience with 2 and 3, but I rode the Albatross 
> bars on my Hunqapillar for two years before swapping to Albastache. For 
> singletrack here on Pikes Peak, I have far less control in climbing and 
> technical descending with my wings spread so wide (I presume what you mean 
> when you describe the brake position of the moustache bars as "splayed 
> out"?). The Albatross bars have a fairly decent climbing position for short 
> climbs in the "sort-of-curves", but for me the wrists got uncomfortable 
> fast there. Steering on climbs was twitchy because of width. On descents, I 
> wanted my hands in the curves, but no brakes. I tried the moustache bars 
> and found them uncomfortable, but the Albastache bars, for me, are the best 
> of both worlds. Brakes where I want to be on descents, control for climbs. 
> I'd suggest you not necessarily rule out the Albastache bar (depending on 
> what "splayed out" means, because the Albatross bars are much more splayed 
> out, at least as I would describe them).
>
> Ultimately, the handlebar dilemma is muddy until you find the right one, 
> then things suddenly clear up. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 1:58:33 PM UTC-6, kielsun wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Veloman and Ron.
>>
>> Ron, I dug around and found an old post of yours about the Map bar. 
>> Definitely intriguing. I measured the top tube of my Rockhopper and it's 
>> roughly three cm longer than that of my Sam.
>>
>> So here are the final few options I'm considering. 
>>
>> 1. Albatross w/ 120 mm Technomic stem.
>> 2. Map w/ a dirt drop or short reach (60-80) Technomic.
>> 3. Surly Open Bar w/ either a dirt drop or short  reach Technomic.
>>
>> I love the Albas w/ 100 mm Technomic on my Sam, but the bar ends hit my 
>> knees on tight turns if I'm not careful. I also use the VO seat post with 
>> long setback with that setup to get a bit more stretched out. 
>> Realistically, the 120 mm stem would've solved that issue, but I had 
>> already glued the Meisha's grips. Rookie move! Might feel the need to 
>> change that someday...
>>
>> Going with the Albas and some Deore thumb shifters makes sense because 
>> it's a known quantity. I'm less apt to try something new since my budget is 
>> tight (read: non-existent!). 
>>
>> Bottom line: I just need to choose because I'd probably love any of these 
>> setups and I just want to get this bike on the trail! :)
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Deacon Patrick]

Bob, sounds like you are narrowing things down a bit. Ultimately, it's all 
an experiment, even if the trial lasts for several years with tweaks along 
the way. Grin. I have no experience with 2 and 3, but I rode the Albatross 
bars on my Hunqapillar for two years before swapping to Albastache. For 
singletrack here on Pikes Peak, I have far less control in climbing and 
technical descending with my wings spread so wide (I presume what you mean 
when you describe the brake position of the moustache bars as "splayed 
out"?). The Albatross bars have a fairly decent climbing position for short 
climbs in the "sort-of-curves", but for me the wrists got uncomfortable 
fast there. Steering on climbs was twitchy because of width. On descents, I 
wanted my hands in the curves, but no brakes. I tried the moustache bars 
and found them uncomfortable, but the Albastache bars, for me, are the best 
of both worlds. Brakes where I want to be on descents, control for climbs. 
I'd suggest you not necessarily rule out the Albastache bar (depending on 
what "splayed out" means, because the Albatross bars are much more splayed 
out, at least as I would describe them).

Ultimately, the handlebar dilemma is muddy until you find the right one, 
then things suddenly clear up. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 1:58:33 PM UTC-6, kielsun wrote:
>
> Thanks Veloman and Ron.
>
> Ron, I dug around and found an old post of yours about the Map bar. 
> Definitely intriguing. I measured the top tube of my Rockhopper and it's 
> roughly three cm longer than that of my Sam.
>
> So here are the final few options I'm considering. 
>
> 1. Albatross w/ 120 mm Technomic stem.
> 2. Map w/ a dirt drop or short reach (60-80) Technomic.
> 3. Surly Open Bar w/ either a dirt drop or short  reach Technomic.
>
> I love the Albas w/ 100 mm Technomic on my Sam, but the bar ends hit my 
> knees on tight turns if I'm not careful. I also use the VO seat post with 
> long setback with that setup to get a bit more stretched out. 
> Realistically, the 120 mm stem would've solved that issue, but I had 
> already glued the Meisha's grips. Rookie move! Might feel the need to 
> change that someday...
>
> Going with the Albas and some Deore thumb shifters makes sense because 
> it's a known quantity. I'm less apt to try something new since my budget is 
> tight (read: non-existent!). 
>
> Bottom line: I just need to choose because I'd probably love any of these 
> setups and I just want to get this bike on the trail! :)
>
> Bob
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[kielsun]

Thanks Veloman and Ron.

Ron, I dug around and found an old post of yours about the Map bar. Definitely 
intriguing. I measured the top tube of my Rockhopper and it's roughly three cm 
longer than that of my Sam.

So here are the final few options I'm considering. 

1. Albatross w/ 120 mm Technomic stem.
2. Map w/ a dirt drop or short reach (60-80) Technomic.
3. Surly Open Bar w/ either a dirt drop or short  reach Technomic.

I love the Albas w/ 100 mm Technomic on my Sam, but the bar ends hit my knees 
on tight turns if I'm not careful. I also use the VO seat post with long 
setback with that setup to get a bit more stretched out. Realistically, the 120 
mm stem would've solved that issue, but I had already glued the Meisha's grips. 
Rookie move! Might feel the need to change that someday...

Going with the Albas and some Deore thumb shifters makes sense because it's a 
known quantity. I'm less apt to try something new since my budget is tight 
(read: non-existent!). 

Bottom line: I just need to choose because I'd probably love any of these 
setups and I just want to get this bike on the trail! :)

Bob


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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[velomann]

Another vote for the On-One Mary bars.

Mike

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 5:36:35 AM UTC-7, kielsun wrote:
>
> I hesitated posting this here, but it's definitely a Riv-inspired 
> conundrum. I'm building up a late 80s Rockhopper and having trouble finding 
> the right handlebar setup. It will primarily be a trail and off-road 
> camping bike with knobbies. I have my Sam for road riding and don't want 
> much overlap between the two.
>
> The frame is borderline too small for me. It's an 18" and I would probably 
> benefit from a 19-19.5", but it should work fine once it's dialed, and it's 
> also just a stop-gap until I can save up for a Surly Troll frameset or 
> something similar. 
>
> Riv Content: I want it to be comfortable (but still nimble)--bars at 
> saddle height!
>
> I've considered going with a standard Technomic and Albas, dirt drop with 
> straight-ish/mountain riser bars like the Soma Clarence, or even trying a 
> threadless conversion stem with drop-style bars. I have cockpit parts for 
> any setup: MTB levers and Deore thumb shifters and aero levers and Ultegra 
> bar-ends. 
>
> I've already tried a dirt drop stem with moustache bars. This created too 
> much reach because of the bar profile and the non-relaxed geometry of the 
> bike. Anything that I should consider that I'm missing?
>
> I welcome any and all advice based on previous builds or experience. I'm 
> pretty new at working on bikes, so you won't offend me with newbie advice. 
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Bob
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Ron Mc]

Late to the party, but this article is still the best info in once place 
 http://oldglorymtb.com/round-up-alternative-or-alt-mountain-bike-handlebars/ 
 

Big Map bar fan here.  There are 3 bars that were derived from the Jones H 
bar, Jitensha Touring (Nitto 2522), Ahearne Map bar, and On-One Mary bars, 
listed from narrowest to widest.  The nice thing about using these bars is 
you can use them with a dirt drop or technomic stem to easily adjust 
height.  

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, technically Robert has those bars backwards. The standard position has the 
straight part of the bar with levers closest to you - mimicking an mtb bar - 
then the curved sections are forward of the stem for stretching out on longer 
rides. 

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Robert Liebermann]

Remember, you can also use those bars the other way, with the open end 
forward - the stem mount is about in the center, so no matter which way you 
turn them there's about the same for and aft. 

>
> Robert--That trekking bar is really cool. I don't think I'd like to have 
> to reach for the brakes/shifters past the end of the stem, though. I think 
> I want some sweep.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Hugh Smitham]

Hi Bob,

That's funny. The Ala Carte is my stop gap. I've got a 27.5 x 3" custom in
the works. I sold my Atlantis so the Salsa is my adventure bike till I have
my grubby hands on the baby fat. For about $80 shipped I figured it was a
small price for all day comfort. We all have our logic. I have a buyer for
the bike when I'm done with it so no biggy. With these older MTB's it's
really hard to get those bars up. I considered the threadless adapter (Doug
if you read this I really mean no offense) but I thought it looked goofy.
But to be fair the uncut steerer on mine looks goofy too. The upside is the
all the bikepacking bags hide the ungainly steerer height. Lastly, the bike
rides awesome now so it's a win!

Look forward to what you decide.

Cheers,

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

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On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 7:51 PM, kielsun  wrote:

> Folks, thanks for taking the time to respond. I appreciate all of your
> ideas and wish I had the cash to try them all!
>
> The Jones Loop is such a great-looking and seemingly versatile bar, so I'm
> considering a threadless stem adapter, like the VO one, and going that
> route, especially since I know I'd probably love them on my future Troll or
> similar mtb. Hugh--I don't think I'd go so far as to get another fork for
> this bike since it's just a stop-gap, but we'll see.
>
> The Surly Open Bar also looks very promising and comfortable, and I
> wouldn't have any trouble getting it high enough.
>
> Patrick--I tried some moustache bars with a dirt drop stem and I didn't
> like them for the same reason I took them off my Sam: I don't like the
> positioning of the brakes. I feel too splayed out. It's weird, though,
> because I figured they'd be more comfortable on a smaller bike. I guess
> they're just not for me.
>
> RJM and Chris--I have a flat bar lying around and might be able to
> scrounge up a standard mtb bar. I'll give them a shot.
>
> Robert--That trekking bar is really cool. I don't think I'd like to have
> to reach for the brakes/shifters past the end of the stem, though. I think
> I want some sweep.
>
> Thanks again, all.
>
> Bob
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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[kielsun]

Folks, thanks for taking the time to respond. I appreciate all of your 
ideas and wish I had the cash to try them all! 

The Jones Loop is such a great-looking and seemingly versatile bar, so I'm 
considering a threadless stem adapter, like the VO one, and going that 
route, especially since I know I'd probably love them on my future Troll or 
similar mtb. Hugh--I don't think I'd go so far as to get another fork for 
this bike since it's just a stop-gap, but we'll see.

The Surly Open Bar also looks very promising and comfortable, and I 
wouldn't have any trouble getting it high enough.

Patrick--I tried some moustache bars with a dirt drop stem and I didn't 
like them for the same reason I took them off my Sam: I don't like the 
positioning of the brakes. I feel too splayed out. It's weird, though, 
because I figured they'd be more comfortable on a smaller bike. I guess 
they're just not for me.

RJM and Chris--I have a flat bar lying around and might be able to scrounge 
up a standard mtb bar. I'll give them a shot.

Robert--That trekking bar is really cool. I don't think I'd like to have to 
reach for the brakes/shifters past the end of the stem, though. I think I 
want some sweep.

Thanks again, all.

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Robert Liebermann]

I'm very loving butterfly bars on my 84 trek 830. 


http://hujev.net/image/med/700_4151.jpg  





(One drawback - no easy mirror location: and I don't like that s*Shh*s*Ha*aA
*A*kkK*k*y kraut mirror!)




Great for town, road, trail, etc. Big! Lots of hand positions (sides for 
torquing/climbing, front for coasting, back for 'just going along', etc. 
More pix and justifications here: http://rjl.us/velo/trek830-1.htm 

I still like randonneur bars on my touring bike (for now), but these 
trekker/butterfly bars are the greatest. 

Various variants from variable makers (Nitto, Humpbert, Modolo, Kalloy, 
etc. etc.) with small differences in shape, angle, etc. 

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[RJM]

For trail I would go with a flat bar, maybe stick those little bar ends on. 
I did a 6 hour MTB race and I rode a flat bar and the only thing I wish I 
added was those ergo bar end things where you can just grip on the end of 
the bar. I grip there now just using the end of the bar but those barends 
would help. I'm not talking about the old school ones that curve forward of 
the bar, just the ones that are a little nub looking thing. Ergo grips help 
too, but I use some wide raceface grips, which work great. My hands and 
arms never really hurt much on that ridenow the legs, that's a whole 
'nudder story. 

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 7:36:35 AM UTC-5, kielsun wrote:
>
> I hesitated posting this here, but it's definitely a Riv-inspired 
> conundrum. I'm building up a late 80s Rockhopper and having trouble finding 
> the right handlebar setup. It will primarily be a trail and off-road 
> camping bike with knobbies. I have my Sam for road riding and don't want 
> much overlap between the two.
>
> The frame is borderline too small for me. It's an 18" and I would probably 
> benefit from a 19-19.5", but it should work fine once it's dialed, and it's 
> also just a stop-gap until I can save up for a Surly Troll frameset or 
> something similar. 
>
> Riv Content: I want it to be comfortable (but still nimble)--bars at 
> saddle height!
>
> I've considered going with a standard Technomic and Albas, dirt drop with 
> straight-ish/mountain riser bars like the Soma Clarence, or even trying a 
> threadless conversion stem with drop-style bars. I have cockpit parts for 
> any setup: MTB levers and Deore thumb shifters and aero levers and Ultegra 
> bar-ends. 
>
> I've already tried a dirt drop stem with moustache bars. This created too 
> much reach because of the bar profile and the non-relaxed geometry of the 
> bike. Anything that I should consider that I'm missing?
>
> I welcome any and all advice based on previous builds or experience. I'm 
> pretty new at working on bikes, so you won't offend me with newbie advice. 
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Bob
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Hugh Smitham]

I'm using the Jones bars on my 1995 Salsa Ala Carte. I really like them. 
One issue I'll mention, getting the bars up high enough were a challenge. I 
had a judy xc rockshox and the steerer was cut. I asked the forum where I 
could get a 1" threadless rigid fork? It was Joe Bunik that directed me to 
Bikeman  which made it possible 
to get the bars up high enough. FYI I tried other MTB bars before going 
with the jones bars and I just didn't like them as much as the Jones bars.

Here's a picture 
 
of the final.

Good luck on your project.

~Hugh
  Los Angeles, CA




On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 5:36:35 AM UTC-7, kielsun wrote:
>
> I hesitated posting this here, but it's definitely a Riv-inspired 
> conundrum. I'm building up a late 80s Rockhopper and having trouble finding 
> the right handlebar setup. It will primarily be a trail and off-road 
> camping bike with knobbies. I have my Sam for road riding and don't want 
> much overlap between the two.
>
> The frame is borderline too small for me. It's an 18" and I would probably 
> benefit from a 19-19.5", but it should work fine once it's dialed, and it's 
> also just a stop-gap until I can save up for a Surly Troll frameset or 
> something similar. 
>
> Riv Content: I want it to be comfortable (but still nimble)--bars at 
> saddle height!
>
> I've considered going with a standard Technomic and Albas, dirt drop with 
> straight-ish/mountain riser bars like the Soma Clarence, or even trying a 
> threadless conversion stem with drop-style bars. I have cockpit parts for 
> any setup: MTB levers and Deore thumb shifters and aero levers and Ultegra 
> bar-ends. 
>
> I've already tried a dirt drop stem with moustache bars. This created too 
> much reach because of the bar profile and the non-relaxed geometry of the 
> bike. Anything that I should consider that I'm missing?
>
> I welcome any and all advice based on previous builds or experience. I'm 
> pretty new at working on bikes, so you won't offend me with newbie advice. 
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Bob
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Deacon Patrick]

I am highly partial to Albastache bars, and on a "too small" bike, would 
give Moustache bars a go. I think I have a pair if you're interested in 
trying (but they are 26.0mm, so need road brakes/shifters). Their 
positioning for what you describe is perfect for my version of the same 
type of riding. On steep climbs or descents, I ride the front curves (where 
the brakes are) while shifting my core back on descents or forward on 
climbs. For flattish cruising, the more upright back grip is perfect and 
brakes aren't usually required then.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 6:36:35 AM UTC-6, kielsun wrote:
>
> I hesitated posting this here, but it's definitely a Riv-inspired 
> conundrum. I'm building up a late 80s Rockhopper and having trouble finding 
> the right handlebar setup. It will primarily be a trail and off-road 
> camping bike with knobbies. I have my Sam for road riding and don't want 
> much overlap between the two.
>
> The frame is borderline too small for me. It's an 18" and I would probably 
> benefit from a 19-19.5", but it should work fine once it's dialed, and it's 
> also just a stop-gap until I can save up for a Surly Troll frameset or 
> something similar. 
>
> Riv Content: I want it to be comfortable (but still nimble)--bars at 
> saddle height!
>
> I've considered going with a standard Technomic and Albas, dirt drop with 
> straight-ish/mountain riser bars like the Soma Clarence, or even trying a 
> threadless conversion stem with drop-style bars. I have cockpit parts for 
> any setup: MTB levers and Deore thumb shifters and aero levers and Ultegra 
> bar-ends. 
>
> I've already tried a dirt drop stem with moustache bars. This created too 
> much reach because of the bar profile and the non-relaxed geometry of the 
> bike. Anything that I should consider that I'm missing?
>
> I welcome any and all advice based on previous builds or experience. I'm 
> pretty new at working on bikes, so you won't offend me with newbie advice. 
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Bob
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

[Philip Kim]

Ahearne MAP bars are awesome.

Jones bars are probably favorite off-road bars, and slowly creeping on my 
favorite pavement bars.

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 8:36:35 AM UTC-4, kielsun wrote:
>
> I hesitated posting this here, but it's definitely a Riv-inspired 
> conundrum. I'm building up a late 80s Rockhopper and having trouble finding 
> the right handlebar setup. It will primarily be a trail and off-road 
> camping bike with knobbies. I have my Sam for road riding and don't want 
> much overlap between the two.
>
> The frame is borderline too small for me. It's an 18" and I would probably 
> benefit from a 19-19.5", but it should work fine once it's dialed, and it's 
> also just a stop-gap until I can save up for a Surly Troll frameset or 
> something similar. 
>
> Riv Content: I want it to be comfortable (but still nimble)--bars at 
> saddle height!
>
> I've considered going with a standard Technomic and Albas, dirt drop with 
> straight-ish/mountain riser bars like the Soma Clarence, or even trying a 
> threadless conversion stem with drop-style bars. I have cockpit parts for 
> any setup: MTB levers and Deore thumb shifters and aero levers and Ultegra 
> bar-ends. 
>
> I've already tried a dirt drop stem with moustache bars. This created too 
> much reach because of the bar profile and the non-relaxed geometry of the 
> bike. Anything that I should consider that I'm missing?
>
> I welcome any and all advice based on previous builds or experience. I'm 
> pretty new at working on bikes, so you won't offend me with newbie advice. 
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Bob
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Suggestions for MTB Build?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Have you considered standard MTB bars?  I've tried drops.  I've tried 
cruiser bars.  I've tried Albatross bars.  I always go back to a 
traditional MTB bar with about 10 degrees of pullback and 38mm of rise. 
 There's a reason most MTB's that get ridden off-road use that type of bar. 
 

A Jones might be an option if your bike were bigger but I doubt you could 
get it high enough on an already too-small bike.  



On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 7:36:35 AM UTC-5, kielsun wrote:
>
> I hesitated posting this here, but it's definitely a Riv-inspired 
> conundrum. I'm building up a late 80s Rockhopper and having trouble finding 
> the right handlebar setup. It will primarily be a trail and off-road 
> camping bike with knobbies. I have my Sam for road riding and don't want 
> much overlap between the two.
>
> The frame is borderline too small for me. It's an 18" and I would probably 
> benefit from a 19-19.5", but it should work fine once it's dialed, and it's 
> also just a stop-gap until I can save up for a Surly Troll frameset or 
> something similar. 
>
> Riv Content: I want it to be comfortable (but still nimble)--bars at 
> saddle height!
>
> I've considered going with a standard Technomic and Albas, dirt drop with 
> straight-ish/mountain riser bars like the Soma Clarence, or even trying a 
> threadless conversion stem with drop-style bars. I have cockpit parts for 
> any setup: MTB levers and Deore thumb shifters and aero levers and Ultegra 
> bar-ends. 
>
> I've already tried a dirt drop stem with moustache bars. This created too 
> much reach because of the bar profile and the non-relaxed geometry of the 
> bike. Anything that I should consider that I'm missing?
>
> I welcome any and all advice based on previous builds or experience. I'm 
> pretty new at working on bikes, so you won't offend me with newbie advice. 
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Bob
>
>

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