[RBW] Re: Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[panog]

The subject of the necessary tools needed for the home mechanic is often 
debated and usually the line between "need" and "want" is crossed. Assuming 
that the act of building you own bike is pursued more out of pride than 
necessity then having the right tool often makes the job easier and more 
accurate. Some argue that the difference between the experienced home 
mechanic and the professional mechanic is the tools they use. I tend to 
agree with that. 
Anyway, this stand from PB is pretty darn good for what it 
costs 
http://www.performancebike.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10052_10551_1030266_-1_400152__400152


  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[Philip Williamson]

My first thought was "get a stand." Everything else will take care of itself. I 
resisted for years and years, but it's so much easier than propping, leaning, 
holding, even to oil the chain. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 03/16/2017 01:51 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote:
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Steve Palincsar > wrote:


Even if all you do is clean and re-lube chains and replace tires,
a work stand is really worth it.


I agree.  I got one to assemble my AHH and used it again to change to 
the trainer tire.  I am very glad I have it.  Given my space 
limitation, I needed a foldable stand.  It is not inexpensive, but I 
like this one that I got.  It seems quite sturdy and folds down for 
storage.


Park Tool PCS-10 Work Stand
http://a.co/0tSJZzn



I have an older Park stand that, like yours, breaks down for storage.  
I've had it for at least 25 years, maybe more.  The Park PCS-4-1 "Deluxe 
Home Mechanic Repair Stand" is very much like it. $300, and money very 
well spent.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[Tim Butterfield]

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> Even if all you do is clean and re-lube chains and replace tires, a work
> stand is really worth it.


I agree.  I got one to assemble my AHH and used it again to change to the
trainer tire.  I am very glad I have it.  Given my space limitation, I
needed a foldable stand.  It is not inexpensive, but I like this one that I
got.  It seems quite sturdy and folds down for storage.

Park Tool PCS-10 Work Stand
http://a.co/0tSJZzn

Tim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 03/16/2017 10:40 AM, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
Buy yourself a work stand, doing this stuff on the ground or upside 
down sucks and can add confusion to a lot of different aspects to the 
build (Hard to judge proportion, leverage, threading orientation etc). 
 It will always be useful for maintenance cleaning etc.


Even if all you do is clean and re-lube chains and replace tires, a work 
stand is really worth it.


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[RBW] Re: Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[Minh]

Max,

If you're mechanically inclined you will be fine with books, youtube videos 
and online references, just take your time.   If you want some help, post 
your location and see if there is a local member that can assist 
you--either building the bike or loaning you tools.  A bikestand makes this 
a lot easier but you may not want to buy one if you're not planning on 
doing a lot of bike maint.  

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[RBW] Re: Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[Scott Blouke]

Max,
I got this tool 
kit https://smile.amazon.com/BIKEHAND-Bike-Bicycle-Repair-Tools/dp/B006WRWEJU 
it has been great, I service 4 Rivendells with it, there are better tools 
but I have haven't broken anything but the allens are rounding off and I am 
going to get a Bondhus set here to replace them.  Sheldon Brown, Park 
tools, and I really like RJ the Bike guy on youtube he often shows how to 
do things with less than ideal tools.
Make sure you have grease.  

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 11:42:03 AM UTC-7, Max Bergen wrote:
>
> My Hunq is being delivered in a few days and I plan on building the bike 
> myself.  I was hoping some folks would have helpful resources on process 
> and tools for installing: 
>
> -BB
> -crankset
> -derailleurs
> -chain
> -brakes and levers and cables
> -thumbie shifters and cables 
>
> Thanks! 
> -Max
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[Nash Taylor]

It's pretty common that new frames need to be chased and faced, bb and 
headtube.  I would take it to a shop for that.  It takes special tools and 
special knowledge, and is easy to ruin a frame if done incorrectly.  

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 5:57:25 PM UTC-7, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> Make friends with the techs at your local bike shop.  I've built about a 
> half dozen bikes (including a Hunq) and still get confused.  The beauty of 
> bikes - especially the relatively low tech ones that don't have indexed 
> shifting, internal cable runs, etc. - is that they're pretty intuitive; 
> there aren't many problems that you can't solve yourself with the right 
> tech books (the Parks is really helpful), decent tools, and lots of 
> patience.  However, putting them together is not without its frustrations, 
> and it really helps to have a qualified human being nearby to ask questions 
> of.  Keep in mind, too, that virtually parts are standard size, thread, 
> etc., but that there are lots and lots of standards; if you find that a 
> piece simply won't fit or thread easily, don't force it and consider the 
> possibility that the piece you have isn't quite the right size.
> Also, when you build the Hunq, make sure that they didn't paint over some 
> of the internal threads.  It happened on mine and, I understand, on 
> others', too.  
> Good luck,
> Kevin
>
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 2:42:03 PM UTC-4, Max Bergen wrote:
>>
>> My Hunq is being delivered in a few days and I plan on building the bike 
>> myself.  I was hoping some folks would have helpful resources on process 
>> and tools for installing: 
>>
>> -BB
>> -crankset
>> -derailleurs
>> -chain
>> -brakes and levers and cables
>> -thumbie shifters and cables 
>>
>> Thanks! 
>> -Max
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Buy yourself a work stand, doing this stuff on the ground or upside down 
sucks and can add confusion to a lot of different aspects to the build 
(Hard to judge proportion, leverage, threading orientation etc).  It will 
always be useful for maintenance cleaning etc.

If you can track down a friend or friend of a friend that has done all of 
these items beforeI would suggest that.  If you're a first timer, 
bringing the whole bike together might bring unwanted frustration that can 
taint the experience.  A six-pack and knowledgeable friend can go a long 
way...

Forums/books/remote advice can add a lot of unnecessary confusion and 
complication.

My two centsnext one you can do solo!

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 2:42:03 PM UTC-4, Max Bergen wrote:
>
> My Hunq is being delivered in a few days and I plan on building the bike 
> myself.  I was hoping some folks would have helpful resources on process 
> and tools for installing: 
>
> -BB
> -crankset
> -derailleurs
> -chain
> -brakes and levers and cables
> -thumbie shifters and cables 
>
> Thanks! 
> -Max
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[Kevin Lindsey]

Make friends with the techs at your local bike shop.  I've built about a 
half dozen bikes (including a Hunq) and still get confused.  The beauty of 
bikes - especially the relatively low tech ones that don't have indexed 
shifting, internal cable runs, etc. - is that they're pretty intuitive; 
there aren't many problems that you can't solve yourself with the right 
tech books (the Parks is really helpful), decent tools, and lots of 
patience.  However, putting them together is not without its frustrations, 
and it really helps to have a qualified human being nearby to ask questions 
of.  Keep in mind, too, that virtually parts are standard size, thread, 
etc., but that there are lots and lots of standards; if you find that a 
piece simply won't fit or thread easily, don't force it and consider the 
possibility that the piece you have isn't quite the right size.
Also, when you build the Hunq, make sure that they didn't paint over some 
of the internal threads.  It happened on mine and, I understand, on 
others', too.  
Good luck,
Kevin

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 2:42:03 PM UTC-4, Max Bergen wrote:
>
> My Hunq is being delivered in a few days and I plan on building the bike 
> myself.  I was hoping some folks would have helpful resources on process 
> and tools for installing: 
>
> -BB
> -crankset
> -derailleurs
> -chain
> -brakes and levers and cables
> -thumbie shifters and cables 
>
> Thanks! 
> -Max
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[Steven Sweedler]

Max, using an M8 bolt to hold the bottom bracket tool to the axle is very
helpful, I also have a Hunqapillar frame waiting to be built up as soon as
I return home next week. Unfortunately there will be plenty of snow that I
will have to wait to melt to be able to ride. Steve
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 2:58 PM Shoji Takahashi 
wrote:

> Riv also has some helpful videos:
> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/videos-5
>
> The trick to putting together a bike (or pretty much anything) is to know
> when you need to use force and when to ask for help.
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 2:56:55 PM UTC-4, Leslie wrote:
>
>
> This is what I go by...
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/RR28_bikeassembly.pdf
>
>
> Combined with the instructions for the specific derailleurs, that should
> get you in the ballpark
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 2:42:03 PM UTC-4, Max Bergen wrote:
>
> My Hunq is being delivered in a few days and I plan on building the bike
> myself.  I was hoping some folks would have helpful resources on process
> and tools for installing:
>
> -BB
> -crankset
> -derailleurs
> -chain
> -brakes and levers and cables
> -thumbie shifters and cables
>
> Thanks!
> -Max
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[dougP]

A corollary to this is to use an anti-sieze compound such as Perma-Tex Anti 
Sieze on anything that gets installed that will not likely be taken apart 
again for ages.  This includes especially the BB, stem (both bolt & wedge 
nut and stem inserted), RD hanger bolt, seat post & seat post bolt, cranks, 
crank bolts, chain ring bolts, pedal spindles, cassette ring.  Basically, 
anything than get wet.  Stems & seat posts have a long history of getting 
sweated on, over-tightened & becoming difficult to remove.  

Especially for smaller stuff that will be taken apart, racks, fenders, 
brake & shifter stuff, Blue Perma-Tex is your friend.  These little 
fasteners are easy to over-torque.  A little blue stuff, snug it up nicely 
and things won't rattle loose but can still be easily gotten apart.

If you choose to use grease, and millions due, to good effect, be sure to 
use something intended for wet use such as marine grease.  Boat trailer 
wheel bearing grease is a good choice.  

dougP  


On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 4:55:20 PM UTC-7, JohnS wrote:
>
> Be sure to grease the threads on all the bolts, seat post, stem and so 
> on...
>
> Good luck,
> JohnS
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 2:42:03 PM UTC-4, Max Bergen wrote:
>>
>> My Hunq is being delivered in a few days and I plan on building the bike 
>> myself.  I was hoping some folks would have helpful resources on process 
>> and tools for installing: 
>>
>> -BB
>> -crankset
>> -derailleurs
>> -chain
>> -brakes and levers and cables
>> -thumbie shifters and cables 
>>
>> Thanks! 
>> -Max
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[JohnS]

Be sure to grease the threads on all the bolts, seat post, stem and so on...

Good luck,
JohnS


On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 2:42:03 PM UTC-4, Max Bergen wrote:
>
> My Hunq is being delivered in a few days and I plan on building the bike 
> myself.  I was hoping some folks would have helpful resources on process 
> and tools for installing: 
>
> -BB
> -crankset
> -derailleurs
> -chain
> -brakes and levers and cables
> -thumbie shifters and cables 
>
> Thanks! 
> -Max
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[drew]

youtube is really great. i put my hunq together and it was the first bike 
that i built from the ground up. i did most of it with a small multi tool 
(with a chainbreaker) that has since been replaced with real tools. i've 
done a few others since. its really fun. seconding what others have said. 
BB and headset, you may want to take it to a shop and pay them to 
install/watch/talk.  the other stuff, especially on a riv, is pretty 
logical and worth teaching yourself/trying/retrying. its freeing and 
financially dangerous to be able to swap parts at will. 

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[RBW] Re: Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Unless you luck out, you're going to need to subtract (or, in the case of 
Clementines, etc., add) chain links, so a chain tool is needed.) Sheldon's 
chain length method: Run chain around largest chainring and largest cog, 
but not through derailleur. Overlap by one full link.

I would say don't be hesitant. But do take your time with the bb cup 
install. If you feel resistance that does not feel normal, back it out and 
try again.

Two more things: Be aware of torque, especially with seat binder bolts, 
handlebars, etc. (Some folks use torque wrenches. I've never felt the need) 
Clean up your cable housing cuts with a file or grinding wheel and 
something sharp like a sharpened spoke, and don't leave out your ferrules.

Sheldon, Youtube, etc., yes. A bit easier these days. My first real lesson 
was from the Sears repair guy, who came out to our home to adjust my pale 
yellow C.Itoh (made by Bridgestone), circa 1971-72, Still have a couple of 
those multispanner wrench things with the tire iron built into the handle 
that he gave me for future adjustments.



On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 4:46:27 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>
> A chain tool is helpful but with quick links not such a necessity.  Might 
> as well get one as longs your tool shopping.
>
> dougP
>
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 11:42:03 AM UTC-7, Max Bergen wrote:
>>
>> My Hunq is being delivered in a few days and I plan on building the bike 
>> myself.  I was hoping some folks would have helpful resources on process 
>> and tools for installing: 
>>
>> -BB
>> -crankset
>> -derailleurs
>> -chain
>> -brakes and levers and cables
>> -thumbie shifters and cables 
>>
>> Thanks! 
>> -Max
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[George Schick]

You do not mention whether or not the frame shipped with the headset 
installed.  If not, and you plan to install your own, you'll need 
specialized tools to do that, too.  It's critical to get the bottom "race" 
on top the fork crown as well as the top and bottom cups of the head tube 
installed as perfectly parallel as possible.  If it was pre-installed per 
order, never mind (assuming it was done right at the source).  

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 1:42:03 PM UTC-5, Max Bergen wrote:
>
> My Hunq is being delivered in a few days and I plan on building the bike 
> myself.  I was hoping some folks would have helpful resources on process 
> and tools for installing: 
>
> -BB
> -crankset
> -derailleurs
> -chain
> -brakes and levers and cables
> -thumbie shifters and cables 
>
> Thanks! 
> -Max
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[dougP]

Much depends on how experienced you are at working on mechanical things.  
Your question suggests this may be the first bike.  If so, you may want to 
work on one you already have before taking on the Hunq.  It's not more 
difficult; you just don't want to mess up threads, paint, etc.

The BB tool is the only special item I see.  Everything else is standard 
home shop stuff, assuming you have Allen keys & metric sockets & wrenches.  
An additional couple of tools that save time & aggravation are the Park Y 
wrench with 3 metric Allens and a decent cable / housing cutter.  All Park 
stuff is shop quality so it'll work well for a long time.  A chain tool is 
helpful but with quick links not such a necessity.  Might as well get one 
as longs your tool shopping.

dougP

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 11:42:03 AM UTC-7, Max Bergen wrote:
>
> My Hunq is being delivered in a few days and I plan on building the bike 
> myself.  I was hoping some folks would have helpful resources on process 
> and tools for installing: 
>
> -BB
> -crankset
> -derailleurs
> -chain
> -brakes and levers and cables
> -thumbie shifters and cables 
>
> Thanks! 
> -Max
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Riv also has some helpful videos:
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/videos-5

The trick to putting together a bike (or pretty much anything) is to know 
when you need to use force and when to ask for help. 

Good luck!
shoji



On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 2:56:55 PM UTC-4, Leslie wrote:
>
>
> This is what I go by...
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/RR28_bikeassembly.pdf 
>
>
> Combined with the instructions for the specific derailleurs, that should 
> get you in the ballpark
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 2:42:03 PM UTC-4, Max Bergen wrote:
>>
>> My Hunq is being delivered in a few days and I plan on building the bike 
>> myself.  I was hoping some folks would have helpful resources on process 
>> and tools for installing: 
>>
>> -BB
>> -crankset
>> -derailleurs
>> -chain
>> -brakes and levers and cables
>> -thumbie shifters and cables 
>>
>> Thanks! 
>> -Max
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

[Leslie]

This is what I go by...

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/RR28_bikeassembly.pdf 


Combined with the instructions for the specific derailleurs, that should 
get you in the ballpark





On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 2:42:03 PM UTC-4, Max Bergen wrote:
>
> My Hunq is being delivered in a few days and I plan on building the bike 
> myself.  I was hoping some folks would have helpful resources on process 
> and tools for installing: 
>
> -BB
> -crankset
> -derailleurs
> -chain
> -brakes and levers and cables
> -thumbie shifters and cables 
>
> Thanks! 
> -Max
>
>
>
>

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