[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[ascpgh]

I receive some of what Marc describes so well, but I also draw the ire of 
CF riders whose bikes cost multiples of what mine did yet it is my bike 
that is singularly noted and complimented by other riders. CF, low spokes 
wheels and electric shifting have become the uniform backdrop against which 
my Rivendell stands out. 

I rode a community event here a few weeks ago and gravitated toward a fella 
on a Merckx Corsa TSX in 7-11 red and green with a full Mavic group, 
including BB, cranks, HS, stem, bars, brakes and levers. We struck up a 
nice conversation and rode the metric century together. We collected many 
overt compliments and attention from others in the sea of that new normal. 

There is a groundswell of practical bikes with fenders, lights, bags and 
racks beginning to show in the streets and roads lately. Bike shops being 
businesses are either welcoming that interest or turning away new 
customers. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 8:44:59 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only have 
> I ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other such 
> oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo selling, 
> Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled over 
> Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. Local 
> roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>
> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept 
> the 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and 
> truing without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25 
> years ago before I had any real shop cred.
>
> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my hot 
> rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar twist 
> shifters?)
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an 
>> LBS and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and the 
>> owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those 
>> Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was 
>> showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel 
>> and the chainstays longer.for comfort.   
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Will Ashe wrote:
>>>
>>> I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv 
 dealer or just carry Riv like parts and gear?

 Will


 

>>>
>>> Will,
>>>
>>> By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike 
>>> designs, and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a 
>>> shop where you can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the 
>>> door. (That's happened to me before.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Surlyprof]

Nice write up, Marc.  My experiences have been similar.

John

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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Dave Johnston]

Over 20 in the DC area for sure, but we have had a Riv dealer on and off 
for 20 yrs. 1st Collage Park bikes now Gravel and Grind. Plus its not 
unusual for Riv owners to own more than one.

-Dave J

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 8:44:59 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only have 
> I ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other such 
> oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo selling, 
> Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled over 
> Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. Local 
> roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>
> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept 
> the 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and 
> truing without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25 
> years ago before I had any real shop cred.
>
> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my hot 
> rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar twist 
> shifters?)
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an 
>> LBS and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and the 
>> owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those 
>> Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was 
>> showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel 
>> and the chainstays longer.for comfort.   
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Will Ashe wrote:
>>>
>>> I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv 
 dealer or just carry Riv like parts and gear?

 Will


 

>>>
>>> Will,
>>>
>>> By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike 
>>> designs, and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a 
>>> shop where you can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the 
>>> door. (That's happened to me before.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul 
>>>
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> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Brad]

Quickly, off the top of my head, I can list 14 Rivs I've bumped into (or 
noticed locked up) in NYC. That's not counting riders on this list I've 
never met. I'm sure there are many more than 20 here.

Brad P.
Queens

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 3:14:11 PM UTC-4, Skenry wrote:
>
> I'd be surprised if there is more than 20 in any city outside of San 
> Fransisco or Portland.
>
>   
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Ryan Fleming  > wrote:
>
>> My experience..generally is that my rivs are much admired...some riders 
>> and shop folks really love the lugs and the classic good looks. There are 
>> not a whole lot of Rivendells in Winnipeg...if there are more than 20 in 
>> Winnipeg , I'd be very surprised
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 9:47:45 AM UTC-5, Caroline Golum wrote:
>>>
>>> Here in NYC we don't see a whole lot of Rivs, but the touring style is 
>>> becoming increasingly popular for long-ish rides, hauling groceries, 
>>> commuting, etc. I can say that every shop I've been to has received the 
>>> bike well - mechanics are generally impressed. Riders, not so much. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 1:47:42 PM UTC-4, Fred Craven wrote:

 In Dallas I have met two kinds of people: Those in the know, and those 
 not. The latter are all over the place. They see me in my upright 
 position, 
 and feel that they have to get past me (least they be considered slow). 
 Some of them feel like they need to suggest how I should pedal (I spin 
 more 
 than you do, deal with it, I'm comfortable with a higher cadence), they 
 think I really need toe clips (I like toe clips, really, but right now, 
 I'm 
 enjoying my flat pedals). Then... They call my Rivendell a "cruiser" 

 It's not a cruiser damnit, it's a road bike. OK, I'll let that one go, 
 to the ignorant they think that any bike with a steel frame, upright bars 
 and/or a color other than black, white, or red, is a "cruiser": fine. I 
 can 
 let them think that.

 But the former group: Those who know–It doesn't matter what they ride, 
 be it steel, aluminum, or carbon, it doesn't matter what kind of clothes 
 they wear, or how fast or slow they go–they know. They know that each of 
 us 
 is a part of a community, and that there are different kinds of 
 people,bike, and bike riding, and they know that a Rivendell is a 
 beautiful 
 thing. It usually starts with the color (Joel Green), then the lugs, then 
 the parts. It may not be for them, but they totally respect it. 

 Not as many of those folks, but they are here.

 If they are cool enough I give them the question they really want to 
 here, "Would you like to ride it?"

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Scott Henry]

I'd be surprised if there is more than 20 in any city outside of San
Fransisco or Portland.



On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Ryan Fleming 
wrote:

> My experience..generally is that my rivs are much admired...some riders
> and shop folks really love the lugs and the classic good looks. There are
> not a whole lot of Rivendells in Winnipeg...if there are more than 20 in
> Winnipeg , I'd be very surprised
>
>
> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 9:47:45 AM UTC-5, Caroline Golum wrote:
>>
>> Here in NYC we don't see a whole lot of Rivs, but the touring style is
>> becoming increasingly popular for long-ish rides, hauling groceries,
>> commuting, etc. I can say that every shop I've been to has received the
>> bike well - mechanics are generally impressed. Riders, not so much.
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 1:47:42 PM UTC-4, Fred Craven wrote:
>>>
>>> In Dallas I have met two kinds of people: Those in the know, and those
>>> not. The latter are all over the place. They see me in my upright position,
>>> and feel that they have to get past me (least they be considered slow).
>>> Some of them feel like they need to suggest how I should pedal (I spin more
>>> than you do, deal with it, I'm comfortable with a higher cadence), they
>>> think I really need toe clips (I like toe clips, really, but right now, I'm
>>> enjoying my flat pedals). Then... They call my Rivendell a "cruiser"
>>>
>>> It's not a cruiser damnit, it's a road bike. OK, I'll let that one go,
>>> to the ignorant they think that any bike with a steel frame, upright bars
>>> and/or a color other than black, white, or red, is a "cruiser": fine. I can
>>> let them think that.
>>>
>>> But the former group: Those who know–It doesn't matter what they ride,
>>> be it steel, aluminum, or carbon, it doesn't matter what kind of clothes
>>> they wear, or how fast or slow they go–they know. They know that each of us
>>> is a part of a community, and that there are different kinds of
>>> people,bike, and bike riding, and they know that a Rivendell is a beautiful
>>> thing. It usually starts with the color (Joel Green), then the lugs, then
>>> the parts. It may not be for them, but they totally respect it.
>>>
>>> Not as many of those folks, but they are here.
>>>
>>> If they are cool enough I give them the question they really want to
>>> here, "Would you like to ride it?"
>>>
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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Ryan Fleming]

My experience..generally is that my rivs are much admired...some riders and 
shop folks really love the lugs and the classic good looks. There are not a 
whole lot of Rivendells in Winnipeg...if there are more than 20 in Winnipeg 
, I'd be very surprised

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 9:47:45 AM UTC-5, Caroline Golum wrote:
>
> Here in NYC we don't see a whole lot of Rivs, but the touring style is 
> becoming increasingly popular for long-ish rides, hauling groceries, 
> commuting, etc. I can say that every shop I've been to has received the 
> bike well - mechanics are generally impressed. Riders, not so much. 
>
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 1:47:42 PM UTC-4, Fred Craven wrote:
>>
>> In Dallas I have met two kinds of people: Those in the know, and those 
>> not. The latter are all over the place. They see me in my upright position, 
>> and feel that they have to get past me (least they be considered slow). 
>> Some of them feel like they need to suggest how I should pedal (I spin more 
>> than you do, deal with it, I'm comfortable with a higher cadence), they 
>> think I really need toe clips (I like toe clips, really, but right now, I'm 
>> enjoying my flat pedals). Then... They call my Rivendell a "cruiser" 
>>
>> It's not a cruiser damnit, it's a road bike. OK, I'll let that one go, to 
>> the ignorant they think that any bike with a steel frame, upright bars 
>> and/or a color other than black, white, or red, is a "cruiser": fine. I can 
>> let them think that.
>>
>> But the former group: Those who know–It doesn't matter what they ride, be 
>> it steel, aluminum, or carbon, it doesn't matter what kind of clothes they 
>> wear, or how fast or slow they go–they know. They know that each of us is a 
>> part of a community, and that there are different kinds of people,bike, and 
>> bike riding, and they know that a Rivendell is a beautiful thing. It 
>> usually starts with the color (Joel Green), then the lugs, then the parts. 
>> It may not be for them, but they totally respect it. 
>>
>> Not as many of those folks, but they are here.
>>
>> If they are cool enough I give them the question they really want to 
>> here, "Would you like to ride it?"
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Marc Irwin]

>
> Here in Kalamazoo there are probably 10 or 12 Riv's.  Mine seem to be the 
> only ones out in public on a regular basis.  I usually hear, "Nice!  How 
> old is it? It must weigh a ton!"  But this reminds me of a club ride with 
> my Hillborne a few weeks 
> ago:http://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2016/08/had-really-pleasant-ride-to-breakfast.html
>

Marc 

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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Caroline Golum]

Here in NYC we don't see a whole lot of Rivs, but the touring style is 
becoming increasingly popular for long-ish rides, hauling groceries, 
commuting, etc. I can say that every shop I've been to has received the 
bike well - mechanics are generally impressed. Riders, not so much. 

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 1:47:42 PM UTC-4, Fred Craven wrote:
>
> In Dallas I have met two kinds of people: Those in the know, and those 
> not. The latter are all over the place. They see me in my upright position, 
> and feel that they have to get past me (least they be considered slow). 
> Some of them feel like they need to suggest how I should pedal (I spin more 
> than you do, deal with it, I'm comfortable with a higher cadence), they 
> think I really need toe clips (I like toe clips, really, but right now, I'm 
> enjoying my flat pedals). Then... They call my Rivendell a "cruiser" 
>
> It's not a cruiser damnit, it's a road bike. OK, I'll let that one go, to 
> the ignorant they think that any bike with a steel frame, upright bars 
> and/or a color other than black, white, or red, is a "cruiser": fine. I can 
> let them think that.
>
> But the former group: Those who know–It doesn't matter what they ride, be 
> it steel, aluminum, or carbon, it doesn't matter what kind of clothes they 
> wear, or how fast or slow they go–they know. They know that each of us is a 
> part of a community, and that there are different kinds of people,bike, and 
> bike riding, and they know that a Rivendell is a beautiful thing. It 
> usually starts with the color (Joel Green), then the lugs, then the parts. 
> It may not be for them, but they totally respect it. 
>
> Not as many of those folks, but they are here.
>
> If they are cool enough I give them the question they really want to here, 
> "Would you like to ride it?"
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[R Shannon]

Scott, that's a beautiful Homer!

Regards,
Richard

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Scott McLain  wrote:
> 
> I was exited to get my new used Homer.  I have a couple of neighbors that are 
> good friends and big bikers.  When it finally came, my neighbor came over and 
> picked it up and said "it's kind of heavy, how much did you pay for it?".  
> 
> I live where I never see another Riv in the wild.  I ride it every day to 
> work.  I don't know that anyone knows what it is or appreciates it like I do. 
>  But I love it more and more with every ride.
> 
> My wife and I were in San Francisco last week and took our Riv's.  I got a 
> few compliments there and saw a few other Riv's in the wild.  The Homer and 
> Sam are the perfect bikes for the city.  The funnest trip we have had.  I 
> highly recommend the Street's of San Francisco guided bike tour.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/100305995@N06/shares/g4aVZF
> 
> Scott
> 
>> On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 6:44:59 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only have I 
>> ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other such 
>> oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo selling, 
>> Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled over 
>> Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. Local 
>> roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>> 
>> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept the 
>> 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and truing 
>> without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25 years ago 
>> before I had any real shop cred.
>> 
>> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my hot 
>> rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar twist 
>> shifters?)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>  wrote:
>>> When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an LBS 
>>> and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and the 
>>> owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those 
>>> Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was 
>>> showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel 
>>> and the chainstays longer.for comfort.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:
 
  Will Ashe wrote:
 
> I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv dealer 
> or just carry Riv like parts and gear?
> 
> Will
> 
> 
 
 Will,
 
 By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike designs, 
 and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a shop where you 
 can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the door. (That's 
 happened to me before.)
 
 
 Paul 
>>> 
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>> 
>> The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
>> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
>> individualities revolve. Chuang Tzu
>> Stat crux dum volvitur orbis. (The cross stands motionless while the world 
>> revolves.) Carthusian motto
>> 
>> It is we who change; He remains the same. Eckhart
>> 
>> Kinei hos eromenon. (It moves [all things] as the beloved.) Aristotle
>> 
>> 
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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Scott McLain]

I was exited to get my new used Homer.  I have a couple of neighbors that 
are good friends and big bikers.  When it finally came, my neighbor came 
over and picked it up and said "it's kind of heavy, how much did you pay 
for it?".  

I live where I never see another Riv in the wild.  I ride it every day to 
work.  I don't know that anyone knows what it is or appreciates it like I 
do.  But I love it more and more with every ride.

My wife and I were in San Francisco last week and took our Riv's.  I got a 
few compliments there and saw a few other Riv's in the wild.  The Homer and 
Sam are the perfect bikes for the city.  The funnest trip we have had.  I 
highly recommend the Street's of San Francisco guided bike tour.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100305995@N06/shares/g4aVZF

Scott

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 6:44:59 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only have 
> I ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other such 
> oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo selling, 
> Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled over 
> Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. Local 
> roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>
> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept 
> the 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and 
> truing without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25 
> years ago before I had any real shop cred.
>
> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my hot 
> rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar twist 
> shifters?)
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an 
>> LBS and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and the 
>> owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those 
>> Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was 
>> showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel 
>> and the chainstays longer.for comfort.   
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Will Ashe wrote:
>>>
>>> I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv 
 dealer or just carry Riv like parts and gear?

 Will


 

>>>
>>> Will,
>>>
>>> By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike 
>>> designs, and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a 
>>> shop where you can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the 
>>> door. (That's happened to me before.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Patrick Moore]

Just yesterday evening as I pulled up to Albertson's front door on my '03,
a shopper leaving exclaimed, "Nice bike!" Those praising the bike are by no
means usually cyclists themselves -- or, at least, they don't look like the
sort of person who has studied bikes for years. Though occasionally, I'll
have a passer-by say, "Rivendell! Nice!"

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Alexei Marcoux 
wrote:

> When I lived in Chicago, I got much Riv-love from the now-defunct Rapid
> Transit Cycle Shop (one of whose mechanics, Doug Haynes, built up
> beautifully for me a fixie-with-a-front-drum-brake SimpleOne). Here in
> midtown Omaha, I have received favorable responses to my Rivendell
> ownership from Olympia Cycles (who built up my first-ever derailleur-geared
> bike, a Velo Orange Campeur) and from Riv dealer Omaha Bicycle Company
> (which will supply me imminently with a new 52cm Clem Low in mustard).
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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Alexei Marcoux]

When I lived in Chicago, I got much Riv-love from the now-defunct Rapid 
Transit Cycle Shop (one of whose mechanics, Doug Haynes, built up 
beautifully for me a fixie-with-a-front-drum-brake SimpleOne). Here in 
midtown Omaha, I have received favorable responses to my Rivendell 
ownership from Olympia Cycles (who built up my first-ever derailleur-geared 
bike, a Velo Orange Campeur) and from Riv dealer Omaha Bicycle Company 
(which will supply me imminently with a new 52cm Clem Low in mustard).

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 7:44:59 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only have 
> I ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other such 
> oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo selling, 
> Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled over 
> Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. Local 
> roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>
> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept 
> the 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and 
> truing without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25 
> years ago before I had any real shop cred.
>
> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my hot 
> rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar twist 
> shifters?)
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an 
>> LBS and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and the 
>> owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those 
>> Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was 
>> showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel 
>> and the chainstays longer.for comfort.   
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Will Ashe wrote:
>>>
>>> I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv 
 dealer or just carry Riv like parts and gear?

 Will


 

>>>
>>> Will,
>>>
>>> By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike 
>>> designs, and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a 
>>> shop where you can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the 
>>> door. (That's happened to me before.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul 
>>>
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>
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>
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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Jeff B]

My coworkers know that I commute 20 miles round trip every day, but most of 
them are shocked when they actually see my bike. "Do you ride that far on a 
beach cruiser?"

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 8:44:59 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only have 
> I ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other such 
> oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo selling, 
> Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled over 
> Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. Local 
> roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>
> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept 
> the 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and 
> truing without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25 
> years ago before I had any real shop cred.
>
> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my hot 
> rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar twist 
> shifters?)
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an 
>> LBS and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and the 
>> owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those 
>> Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was 
>> showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel 
>> and the chainstays longer.for comfort.   
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Will Ashe wrote:
>>>
>>> I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv 
 dealer or just carry Riv like parts and gear?

 Will


 

>>>
>>> Will,
>>>
>>> By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike 
>>> designs, and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a 
>>> shop where you can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the 
>>> door. (That's happened to me before.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul 
>>>
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> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
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>
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>
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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Only positive responses from the shops. Interestingly the older guys are 
kind of neutral, the younger ones tend to really appreciate it. On the 
trails only positive, mixed in with amazement "Your rode up here on 
that?!?!?!" from the MTB crowd.

Funniest anecdote was when another rider at a rest stop one day told me I 
would be faster with clip in pedals/shoes. He was possibly right, I 
chuckled to myself riding off on the Quickbeam, thinking that adding 28 
more gear ratios would make me faster as well.


On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 5:44:59 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only have 
> I ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other such 
> oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo selling, 
> Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled over 
> Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. Local 
> roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>
> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept 
> the 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and 
> truing without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25 
> years ago before I had any real shop cred.
>
> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my hot 
> rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar twist 
> shifters?)
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an 
>> LBS and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and the 
>> owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those 
>> Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was 
>> showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel 
>> and the chainstays longer.for comfort.   
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Will Ashe wrote:
>>>
>>> I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv 
 dealer or just carry Riv like parts and gear?

 Will


 

>>>
>>> Will,
>>>
>>> By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike 
>>> designs, and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a 
>>> shop where you can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the 
>>> door. (That's happened to me before.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul 
>>>
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> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
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>
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>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[R Shannon]

Selling Rivs and allowing a customer access to their shop to build wheels? Talk 
about full service. That is over the top! You may be right about best shop 
ever. Certainly in the Pantheon of great shops.

Thanks!
Richard

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> 
> 718 is great! I took a wheel building class there. They'll teach you how for 
> free, give you a discount on the parts needed, and let you use their shop to 
> build. It's crrrazy! Best shop ever? Probably. 
> -Kai Vierstra 
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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Kai Vierstra]

718 is great! I took a wheel building class there. They'll teach you how for 
free, give you a discount on the parts needed, and let you use their shop to 
build. It's crrrazy! Best shop ever? Probably. 
-Kai Vierstra 
Brooklyn NY 

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[RichS]

Kai, in your neck of the woods 718 Cyclery is a welcoming shop. You probably 
know they are a Riv dealer. Easy to see why. I had the pleasure of visiting 
there two weeks ago. Talked with a nice lady named Lee. Lots of fat tire bikes; 
few if any roadies. Three Rivs on the floor: two Joe Appas and one Clem. Lee 
offered to let me ride one but I didn't want to test out the unfamiliar 
Brooklyn streets.

Regards,
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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Don Compton]

Sorry, it was the Stockton Bike Club.

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 11:00:29 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Hey Don, was that the Benicia Club ride? I only showed up once, but it was 
> on a Romulus around that time.
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Joe Bernard]

Hey Don, was that the Benicia Club ride? I only showed up once, but it was on a 
Romulus around that time.

Joe Bernard
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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Don Compton]

I bought my first Riv ( a blue Ram) around 2005. I am a club rider and 
after years of trying to ride bikes set up for racing and suffering severe 
back pain all those years, a fellow rider had just bought a Romulus bike. 
In a situation where I would try anything, I thought maybe I should take a 
look at Rivendell. Well. long story short. I drove to Walnut Creek, talked 
with G.P. for almost an hour and bought a Ram frameset that day and built 
it up that night and rode it the next day. My riding buddies were a little 
skeptical at first, but after seeing my improvement in riding the 
compliments started coming. 
With my newest Riv, a bright red Roadeo, I never get anything but 
compliments.
The latest trend to high quality, largers has renewed conversations about 
about my bike and Rivendell in general.

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 5:44:59 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only have 
> I ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other such 
> oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo selling, 
> Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled over 
> Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. Local 
> roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>
> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept 
> the 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and 
> truing without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25 
> years ago before I had any real shop cred.
>
> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my hot 
> rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar twist 
> shifters?)
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an 
>> LBS and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and the 
>> owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those 
>> Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was 
>> showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel 
>> and the chainstays longer.for comfort.   
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Will Ashe wrote:
>>>
>>> I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv 
 dealer or just carry Riv like parts and gear?

 Will


 

>>>
>>> Will,
>>>
>>> By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike 
>>> designs, and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a 
>>> shop where you can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the 
>>> door. (That's happened to me before.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick asks How Rivendells are received in your city

Any Rivendell entering the walls of my city is greeted with maidens 
strewing local, in-season, native flowers before it. As soon as it is 
parked, a cadre of stable boys coalesces around it, scrubbing and polishing 
all the metal bits and gently washing the tires in warm, soapy water. 

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 8:44:59 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Zed Martinez]

I got stopped the other month in my neighborhood by a guy in a car, who 
rolled his window down to ask me something. I popped my headphone out 
(which I often use in my neighborhood when off for a commute), expecting to 
have to try and give some impromptu directions as that's what usually 
happens in these interactions. He kindly repeated his question, "Is that a 
Clem Smith Jr?" And I was, I have to admit, a little floored. Apparently a 
friend of his had also bought a Riv from the local Riv dealer (A1) and he'd 
been looking. So, that was an unexpected and lovely interaction.

I've got a few other 'nice Riv!' from other Riv or bought-parts-from-Riv 
riders (I think there're at least 3 Bosco'ed bikes in my city now, 
including another green Clem that somewhat confounded me when I realized 
what I had passed). Can't comment too much on the shops though, I do my own 
wrenching for everything but wheels and most of the shops around here are 
roadie and hybrid oriented, so, I'm already the oddball. I had a service 
guy at the big and commercial but still good shop tell me I was the first 
person yet to ask the shop about 650b studs. A1 excluded (they're just a 
lot farther away and I have to plan to get to them, less good for a quick 
item like patches or tubes).

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 8:44:59 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only have 
> I ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other such 
> oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo selling, 
> Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled over 
> Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. Local 
> roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>
> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept 
> the 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and 
> truing without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25 
> years ago before I had any real shop cred.
>
> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my hot 
> rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar twist 
> shifters?)
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an 
>> LBS and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and the 
>> owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those 
>> Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was 
>> showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel 
>> and the chainstays longer.for comfort.   
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Will Ashe wrote:
>>>
>>> I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv 
 dealer or just carry Riv like parts and gear?

 Will


 

>>>
>>> Will,
>>>
>>> By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike 
>>> designs, and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a 
>>> shop where you can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the 
>>> door. (That's happened to me before.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul 
>>>
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> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[RichS]

I'm with the Deacon 100% on maintaining the engine and just enjoying the ride. 
Here in the ATL I get a goodly number of "beautiful bike" comments from riders 
and non-riders. Once I got a "Rivendell"! shout from a guy in a car.
Made my day:)

Best,
Richard

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Deacon Patrick]

Brilliant!

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 1:31:37 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>  Dudes on Huffys with fishing rods pass me ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Joe Bernard]

I've never had any Riv prejudice thrown my way in the SF Bay Area, but this is 
possibly because I'm kind enough to be a very slow rider. Dudes on Huffys with 
fishing rods pass me ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Patrick Moore]

Now that is eloquence piled on top of quick thinking! I approve!

On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Trenker  wrote:

>
> Another compliment came from a group of university lads in a car ( they
> love to shout out words of encouragement ): "Nice bike, Fag!" I responded
> with the only thing that came to mind, "Nice car, asshole!" All part of a
> pleasant ride.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Trenker]

Yes! In my case, I hang back and make darn sure I can "sustain it" before I 
pass anyone...   :-)

I've had a couple compliments for my Atlantis. One was by a mountainbike 
racer, who immediately focused on the rear triangle and noticed there was 
good clearance there, which I thought was quite astute. 

Another compliment came from a group of university lads in a car ( they 
love to shout out words of encouragement ): "Nice bike, Fag!" I responded 
with the only thing that came to mind, "Nice car, asshole!" All part of a 
pleasant ride. 




On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 2:42:20 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Nah. At least in my case, I'm comfortable on my Rivs, thus enjoy riding, 
> thus I ride them more, thus my engine is better then most folks. I get 
> passed at my normal speed, and I pass folks at my normal speed. I do not 
> speed up to pass or ride with. What's the point? Less enjoyable riding. 
> Grin.
>
> However on those occasions when I pass someone on the latest and greatest, 
> there is a certain and pleasant satisfaction on the part of my engine. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 12:27:05 PM UTC-6, Trenker wrote:
>>
>>
>> So people who ride Rivendell bikes ( or own Rivendell bikes? ) are subtly 
>> or openly persecuted…yet possess a  hidden reserve of strength or 
>> willpower that enables them to blow past riders of other brands of bikes 
>> when the situation arises…?   :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Deacon Patrick]

Nah. At least in my case, I'm comfortable on my Rivs, thus enjoy riding, 
thus I ride them more, thus my engine is better then most folks. I get 
passed at my normal speed, and I pass folks at my normal speed. I do not 
speed up to pass or ride with. What's the point? Less enjoyable riding. 
Grin.

However on those occasions when I pass someone on the latest and greatest, 
there is a certain and pleasant satisfaction on the part of my engine. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 12:27:05 PM UTC-6, Trenker wrote:
>
>
> So people who ride Rivendell bikes ( or own Rivendell bikes? ) are subtly 
> or openly persecuted…yet possess a  hidden reserve of strength or 
> willpower that enables them to blow past riders of other brands of bikes 
> when the situation arises…?   :-)
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Trenker]

So people who ride Rivendell bikes ( or own Rivendell bikes? ) are subtly 
or openly persecuted…yet possess a  hidden reserve of strength or willpower 
that enables them to blow past riders of other brands of bikes when the 
situation arises…?   :-)




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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[IanA]

"Hey nice Rivendale" was common when I had my Riv. Positive, but wrong!  

I did get asked where my Rivendell came from once and seriously replied "middle 
earth". The fellow was happy with that and carried on. 

I sold mine, but there's the odd Riv around. I saw a SimpleOne a while back and 
talked to its owner for a bit. 

Rivendell carries some cache even this far north. But, being Canada, people 
will spot a Marinoni a mile off. 

Ian A Canada

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Kai Vierstra]

Passed by Schwalbe Big Ones gets racers racing.
As for NYC bike shops and their love of Riv and the like, good shops act great, 
bad shops don't. Never having brought a carbon fiber $ into the bad shops, 
I don't know if it would change anything.
-Kai Vierstra 
Brooklyn NY 

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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Brian Campbell]

You two are the biggest "closet roadies" on this list!

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 12:08:53 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Patrick The Deacon said: *A few days ago (recent enough I still remember 
> it, not so recent I know it was yesterday), I passed a lad of similar age 
> on a typical oldish front shocked MTB climbing up Lovell Gulch. He chose to 
> speed up and ride with me and we chatted a bit and not once about the bike, 
> though he constantly commented on how fast I was. I presumed an undertone 
> of "on THAT bike, with RACKS and PANNIERS too, AFTER riding to the 
> trailhead! in his tone, but it may have been breathing heavily.*
>
> Not relevant to the "how do they like Rivendell thread," but speaking of 
> passing: I recall some 20 years ago (I was a feisty 40-something youth) 
> riding my knobby tire'd (Farmer Johns!!) around my parents' rolling Rio 
> Rancho, NM neighborhood, and, stoutly climbing a steepish hill, passing 
> another 30-40-something juvenile on a Merckx. "Nice bike!!", I said. He 
> disdained to reply. I can recall other incidents of this sort, passing 
> roadies on pavement while riding a knobby tire'd mountain bike.
>
> Now that I am 61-and-a-half and regularly passed by many of the young 
> women on my routes, I have to cherish my memories. (He wept tears of 
> nostalgia into his yellowed beard.)
>
> My brother (5 1/2 years younger than I) did me one better. Some 20+ years 
> ago he was pulling his 3-4 year old son in a Burley up San Vicente Blvd in 
> W LA, and passed a young buck on a currently fashionable road bike. "Hi! 
> Howzit going!" he said, with no irony measurable by modern instrument. He 
> was surprised that the other rider seemed discontent.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
>> I try to order stuff through my LBS and fail most of the time (as in "we 
>> can't get that even through special order). So I mostly order through 
>> Rivendell. My LBS does dutifully do things like hub and headset work for me.
>>
>> A few days ago (recent enough I still remember it, not so recent I know 
>> it was yesterday), I passed a lad of similar age on a typical oldish front 
>> shocked MTB climbing up Lovell Gulch. He chose to speed up and ride with me 
>> and we chatted a bit and not once about the bike, though he constantly 
>> commented on how fast I was. I presumed an undertone of "on THAT bike, with 
>> RACKS and PANNIERS too, AFTER riding to the trailhead! in his tone, but it 
>> may have been breathing heavily.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 6:44:59 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only 
>>> have I ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other 
>>> such oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo 
>>> selling, Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled 
>>> over Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. 
>>> Local roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>>>
>>> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept 
>>> the 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and 
>>> truing without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25 
>>> years ago before I had any real shop cred.
>>>
>>> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my 
>>> hot rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar 
>>> twist shifters?)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an 
 LBS and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and 
 the 
 owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those 
 Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was 
 showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel 
 and the chainstays longer.for comfort.   



 On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:
>
>
>  Will Ashe wrote:
>
> I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv 
>> dealer or just carry Riv like parts and gear?
>>
>> Will
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>
> Will,
>
> By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike 
> designs, and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a 
> shop where you can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the 
> door. (That's happened to me before.)
>
>
> Paul 
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Re: [RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Patrick Moore]

Patrick The Deacon said: *A few days ago (recent enough I still remember
it, not so recent I know it was yesterday), I passed a lad of similar age
on a typical oldish front shocked MTB climbing up Lovell Gulch. He chose to
speed up and ride with me and we chatted a bit and not once about the bike,
though he constantly commented on how fast I was. I presumed an undertone
of "on THAT bike, with RACKS and PANNIERS too, AFTER riding to the
trailhead! in his tone, but it may have been breathing heavily.*

Not relevant to the "how do they like Rivendell thread," but speaking of
passing: I recall some 20 years ago (I was a feisty 40-something youth)
riding my knobby tire'd (Farmer Johns!!) around my parents' rolling Rio
Rancho, NM neighborhood, and, stoutly climbing a steepish hill, passing
another 30-40-something juvenile on a Merckx. "Nice bike!!", I said. He
disdained to reply. I can recall other incidents of this sort, passing
roadies on pavement while riding a knobby tire'd mountain bike.

Now that I am 61-and-a-half and regularly passed by many of the young women
on my routes, I have to cherish my memories. (He wept tears of nostalgia
into his yellowed beard.)

My brother (5 1/2 years younger than I) did me one better. Some 20+ years
ago he was pulling his 3-4 year old son in a Burley up San Vicente Blvd in
W LA, and passed a young buck on a currently fashionable road bike. "Hi!
Howzit going!" he said, with no irony measurable by modern instrument. He
was surprised that the other rider seemed discontent.



On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I try to order stuff through my LBS and fail most of the time (as in "we
> can't get that even through special order). So I mostly order through
> Rivendell. My LBS does dutifully do things like hub and headset work for me.
>
> A few days ago (recent enough I still remember it, not so recent I know it
> was yesterday), I passed a lad of similar age on a typical oldish front
> shocked MTB climbing up Lovell Gulch. He chose to speed up and ride with me
> and we chatted a bit and not once about the bike, though he constantly
> commented on how fast I was. I presumed an undertone of "on THAT bike, with
> RACKS and PANNIERS too, AFTER riding to the trailhead! in his tone, but it
> may have been breathing heavily.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 6:44:59 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only have
>> I ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other such
>> oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo selling,
>> Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled over
>> Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. Local
>> roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>>
>> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept
>> the 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and
>> truing without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25
>> years ago before I had any real shop cred.
>>
>> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my hot
>> rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar twist
>> shifters?)
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an
>>> LBS and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and the
>>> owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those
>>> Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was
>>> showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel
>>> and the chainstays longer.for comfort.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:


  Will Ashe wrote:

 I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv
> dealer or just carry Riv like parts and gear?
>
> Will
>
> 
> 
>

 Will,

 By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike
 designs, and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a
 shop where you can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the
 door. (That's happened to me before.)


 Paul

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[RBW] Re: How Rivendells are received in your city ... (was: Rivvish Shop in Santa Barbara?)

[Deacon Patrick]

I try to order stuff through my LBS and fail most of the time (as in "we 
can't get that even through special order). So I mostly order through 
Rivendell. My LBS does dutifully do things like hub and headset work for me.

A few days ago (recent enough I still remember it, not so recent I know it 
was yesterday), I passed a lad of similar age on a typical oldish front 
shocked MTB climbing up Lovell Gulch. He chose to speed up and ride with me 
and we chatted a bit and not once about the bike, though he constantly 
commented on how fast I was. I presumed an undertone of "on THAT bike, with 
RACKS and PANNIERS too, AFTER riding to the trailhead! in his tone, but it 
may have been breathing heavily.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 6:44:59 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This is so odd, or perhaps I just live in a very nice city. Not only have 
> I ever gotten only praise and interest for my Rivendells and other such 
> oddities, but I've been a favorite at one of the high end, Cervelo selling, 
> Madone stocking, carbon fiber living shops in town. Owners drooled over 
> Rivendells, 1958 Herse, late '70s Ken Rogers British Racing Trik*. Local 
> roadies and grocery store doofuses all say, "Nice bike!"
>
> Hell, I even had the owner of another now defunct high end store accept 
> the 30 lb rear wheel from a 3 speed Schwinn for spoke replacement and 
> truing without a single grimace or sotto voce comment, and this was 25 
> years ago before I had any real shop cred.
>
> (Though I did have a snarky youth make a deprecating comment about my hot 
> rodded 1992 XO-1 ... Perhaps it was the purple rims and SRAM drop bar twist 
> shifters?)
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:19 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> When I first started looking into building up my own bike, I visited an 
>> LBS and in conversation I casually mentioned RBW being an influence and the 
>> owner grimaced and said something to the effect of "stay away from those 
>> Rivendells..".About a year later, I was in there again and he was 
>> showing off his new Salsa that he chose for the frame material being steel 
>> and the chainstays longer.for comfort.   
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:55:59 PM UTC-5, PG wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Will Ashe wrote:
>>>
>>> I live in Los Angeles, and as such am intrigued. Would it be a Riv 
 dealer or just carry Riv like parts and gear?

 Will


 

>>>
>>> Will,
>>>
>>> By rivvish, I mean a shop that understands a wide variety of bike 
>>> designs, and accepts them all as valid. Or, to put it another way, a 
>>> shop where you can walk in with a Rivendell and not get laughed out the 
>>> door. (That's happened to me before.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul 
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