[RBW] Re: How many of your bikes will take the HAR?
I have a Hunq with the longer proto fork. The HAR does not fit as is but mounts up fine with a set of Tubus rack extenders. See here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cnyriv/sets/72157645738420794 On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 2:07:38 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: The Hub Area Rack fits best on an eyelet above the fork tip and on mid-fork braze ons. Will it fit your bike? Most current Riv models have fork tips with double eyelets. If you buy a brand new A Homer Hilsen, Hunqapillar, Cheviut, Hillborne, or Atlantis, you are going to get double eyelet fork tips. If you buy a Roadeo or a San Marcos, you'll get single eyelets. I have a Hub Area Rack, have had it for a while. It was an early prototype that I talked them into letting me buy. For what it's worth, I paid a fair bit more for mine that you guys are paying now, but I share that as a reason for you to be happy, not as a reason for me to be sad. Anyhow, now that there are bags for it, I've pulled it back out. Only now do I realize that my old (2009) Hillborne does not have the upper eyelets and my old (2010) Hilsen also doesn't have them. Only my Bombadil and my Gunnar doublespeed has upper eyelets and mid fork braze ons. I wish I could snap my fingers and have upper eyelets appear on my Hilsen and my Hillborne so I could run this rack on those bikes as well. Oh well. Anyhow, as a workaround, it looks like it would be possible to run the HAR on the lower eyelets, but it might have a tilt to it. Not the end of the world but not ideal. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How many of your bikes will take the HAR?
I got the Hub area rack before I left on vacation. Check fit for both my bikes worked out great mounted to the lower eyelet. My bikes have more fork rake so using the lower eyelet keeps the rack straighter. I did have to use the included fat spacer to have the rack lower mount clear the fork leg. https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/14629603104/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/14445319427/in/photostream/ ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How many of your bikes will take the HAR?
*Apologies in advance to first-time Forum readers. This post is full of inside jargon and references you don't have to think about.* *Bill, I dunno how the prices worked out--could have been a drop in yen against the dollar, but more likely it was a good old fashioned Human Goofup, and we'll send you a fistful of Lip Ivo's to compensate. (Or may do better than that). We'll work it out privately. The Your victory is not my defeat attitude is rare and appreciated, but I am seriously mortified, no joke, and will make it good.Note from the future: Bill was thrilled with the deal, and on top of that has been forgiven for not showing up at the Entmoot!The Wisco-built 700C Hunqas don't fit the HAR, but we're working on it. The what we thought at the time was final design was so long ago that it was before the W-bilts. They have a diff crown and longer blades. The boss is the same distance from the crown dhoulder, but the flades are longer, which lowers the top eyes. Mark and Robert, the two guys least likely to use this rack, are nevertheless the cleverest, and have two solutions already.Also, gawdthisisnotfun, it's possible that a future version will have a hoop-mod feature that's slightly slicker than the current one---which doesn't require a hoop at all, according to Nitto. Why anyone would bolt on a hoop when it's not needed is beyond me, and in any case will likely be an add-on (not guaranteed) to the new HAR. This is independent of any hoop developed for HAR-1.Also, you know the upside down mushrooms that form the lowermost metal on the HAR (HAR-1) ? Their purpose is to make it easier and more secure to lash on a load without the HAB. They're anchor points for bungee cords or whatever strap or cord you might have. So you could use them to secure some favorite pots pans that won't fit in the HAB. Although they're rounded, there's still a remote plausibility that over time their edges will saw slashes in the lower sleeve of the HAB, and so we have ordered some fancy rubber 'doms for them. On my own HAB I just covered them with bar tape, which is 100 percent as good, but Mark tends to think I'm a mickeymous slob when it comes to this kind of solution, and since it is his design, we have the rubbers coming. Then we'll do a search for who has ordered, and will mail them out with superb instructions (and post on web).Also, the HAR can easily be made to fit on some lower-rear eye forks, although it requires some tilting, which improves aerodynamics by transforming the upper corner into a windcheetah, like the prow of a ship in water. We don't go off half-cocked on this stuff, but it's hard to account for all contingencies. We're sure t he HARHAB 'bo is AOK on all two-eye RIV forks with the front braze-on EXCEPT the W-built 700C HUNQAs. It's BOK on most RIVforks with frontal eyelets, but requires a spacer to the rack clears the fork blade...and you're rewarded for your I don't need no plug-n-play efforts with microinfinitessimally improved aerodynamics. Now...back to thinking about the Clem Smith Jr. ...(we can attach files now? Good to know...)* On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 11:07:38 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: The Hub Area Rack fits best on an eyelet above the fork tip and on mid-fork braze ons. Will it fit your bike? Most current Riv models have fork tips with double eyelets. If you buy a brand new A Homer Hilsen, Hunqapillar, Cheviut, Hillborne, or Atlantis, you are going to get double eyelet fork tips. If you buy a Roadeo or a San Marcos, you'll get single eyelets. I have a Hub Area Rack, have had it for a while. It was an early prototype that I talked them into letting me buy. For what it's worth, I paid a fair bit more for mine that you guys are paying now, but I share that as a reason for you to be happy, not as a reason for me to be sad. Anyhow, now that there are bags for it, I've pulled it back out. Only now do I realize that my old (2009) Hillborne does not have the upper eyelets and my old (2010) Hilsen also doesn't have them. Only my Bombadil and my Gunnar doublespeed has upper eyelets and mid fork braze ons. I wish I could snap my fingers and have upper eyelets appear on my Hilsen and my Hillborne so I could run this rack on those bikes as well. Oh well. Anyhow, as a workaround, it looks like it would be possible to run the HAR on the lower eyelets, but it might have a tilt to it. Not the end of the world but not ideal. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How many of your bikes will take the HAR?
it is lame that i am not at the entmoot. i'm grateful for the forgiveness. i'm wearing my purple n grey musa top here at the airport. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: How many of your bikes will take the HAR?
Oops. :-) I don't think that warning was up when I ordered the HAR, but I'm not quite sure what newer Hunqs means. I know things are changing from time to time. My Hunq is from 2012. I was supposed to get the non-Wisco forks but as things worked out I did get them (as I recall there was fork sizing problem with some of the Asian forks required a new batch to be sent and in the meantime I got Wisco). Would that be a newer version? I'm out of town and can't really check at the moment so I'm not in a big hurry for an answer. Aloha! Bob On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 9:38 PM, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote: The Wisco-built 700C Hunqas don't fit the HAR, but we're working on it. The what we thought at the time was final design was so long ago that it was before the W-bilts. They have a diff crown and longer blades. The boss is the same distance from the crown dhoulder, but the flades are longer, which lowers the top eyes. Mark and Robert, the two guys least likely to use this rack, are nevertheless the cleverest, and have two solutions already. -- Robert Harrison Honolulu, HI rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How many of your bikes will take the HAR?
Single eyelets on our Hillbornes is definitely not a mistake. These details change over time, that's all. I can't comment on why a small load on the front of your Hillborne handles poorly while a 30 pound human near the front doesn't. I've run15-20 pounds on the Nitto Mini+platrack on multiple s24Os on my Hillborne and it was great for me. On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 8:19:52 PM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote: I only have one bike, a 64 cm green hillborne, and it doesn't have the double eyelets. I've always assumed that was a Wisconsin thing and not a mistake specific to my frame alone. Right? Anyways, I put a mini front rack on it and wasn't happy with how it felt with anything more than a couple bags of chips, been considering trying out a lowrider to see the difference. I guess that low rider won't be the HAR without some rigging to get it comfortable sharing the lower with my fender struts. I've thought about brazing some eyelets on but my skills aren't up to the challenge yet, something about compromising my fork's strength... Can anyone tell me approximately how much better a lowrider would feel with a few pounds on it compared to the mini front? I ride with my 2.75 year old on a stem mounted seat which sits his 30 some odd pounds behind the stem. It feels fine apart from knocking my knees on his seat, I assume mounting the load behind the axle as a lowrider does has a similar stabilizing effect? -Kai Vierstra, Brooklyn NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How many of your bikes will take the HAR?
This was my answer to the mid brazeons that are not on the Atlantis but needed for lowrider racks. https://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8435670094/in/set-72157626241665432 It's a door jam bracket for like 30 cents a piece. Been on multiple tours and holds tight and stiff. Great option for us and have used the same setup on Hilbournes as well. Kelly On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 1:07:38 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: The Hub Area Rack fits best on an eyelet above the fork tip and on mid-fork braze ons. Will it fit your bike? Most current Riv models have fork tips with double eyelets. If you buy a brand new A Homer Hilsen, Hunqapillar, Cheviut, Hillborne, or Atlantis, you are going to get double eyelet fork tips. If you buy a Roadeo or a San Marcos, you'll get single eyelets. I have a Hub Area Rack, have had it for a while. It was an early prototype that I talked them into letting me buy. For what it's worth, I paid a fair bit more for mine that you guys are paying now, but I share that as a reason for you to be happy, not as a reason for me to be sad. Anyhow, now that there are bags for it, I've pulled it back out. Only now do I realize that my old (2009) Hillborne does not have the upper eyelets and my old (2010) Hilsen also doesn't have them. Only my Bombadil and my Gunnar doublespeed has upper eyelets and mid fork braze ons. I wish I could snap my fingers and have upper eyelets appear on my Hilsen and my Hillborne so I could run this rack on those bikes as well. Oh well. Anyhow, as a workaround, it looks like it would be possible to run the HAR on the lower eyelets, but it might have a tilt to it. Not the end of the world but not ideal. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How many of your bikes will take the HAR?
I have two non-Riv customs built in the last few years, on both I had the the mid fork mounts included because I like the way the Nitto Mini Campee attaches. I just ordered a Hub Area rack so I'll see how it fits. Both my bikes have double bolt front dropouts too. My forks have a bit more rake than most Riv's but I'm hoping for a decent fit. ~mike Carlsbad Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How many of your bikes will take the HAR?
Regarding the lower mount, it looks like the intention is to use a front eyelet at the drop-out. However, if the only one is the rear (fender) one, you can sometimes cheat with spacers to mount the rack so it clears the fork leg. Somewhere (Ace Hdwe?) I came across some perfect 5 mm aluminum tubing (thick wall) spacers. A less elegant but equally functional spacer can be worked out using 5 mm hex nuts. One or 2 are usually enough to get the rack outboard of the fork leg. dougP On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 11:07:38 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: The Hub Area Rack fits best on an eyelet above the fork tip and on mid-fork braze ons. Will it fit your bike? Most current Riv models have fork tips with double eyelets. If you buy a brand new A Homer Hilsen, Hunqapillar, Cheviut, Hillborne, or Atlantis, you are going to get double eyelet fork tips. If you buy a Roadeo or a San Marcos, you'll get single eyelets. I have a Hub Area Rack, have had it for a while. It was an early prototype that I talked them into letting me buy. For what it's worth, I paid a fair bit more for mine that you guys are paying now, but I share that as a reason for you to be happy, not as a reason for me to be sad. Anyhow, now that there are bags for it, I've pulled it back out. Only now do I realize that my old (2009) Hillborne does not have the upper eyelets and my old (2010) Hilsen also doesn't have them. Only my Bombadil and my Gunnar doublespeed has upper eyelets and mid fork braze ons. I wish I could snap my fingers and have upper eyelets appear on my Hilsen and my Hillborne so I could run this rack on those bikes as well. Oh well. Anyhow, as a workaround, it looks like it would be possible to run the HAR on the lower eyelets, but it might have a tilt to it. Not the end of the world but not ideal. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How many of your bikes will take the HAR?
Or, you can use the REAL DEAL! http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rh1-20232.htm On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 2:12:29 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Regarding the lower mount, it looks like the intention is to use a front eyelet at the drop-out. However, if the only one is the rear (fender) one, you can sometimes cheat with spacers to mount the rack so it clears the fork leg. Somewhere (Ace Hdwe?) I came across some perfect 5 mm aluminum tubing (thick wall) spacers. A less elegant but equally functional spacer can be worked out using 5 mm hex nuts. One or 2 are usually enough to get the rack outboard of the fork leg. dougP On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 11:07:38 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: The Hub Area Rack fits best on an eyelet above the fork tip and on mid-fork braze ons. Will it fit your bike? Most current Riv models have fork tips with double eyelets. If you buy a brand new A Homer Hilsen, Hunqapillar, Cheviut, Hillborne, or Atlantis, you are going to get double eyelet fork tips. If you buy a Roadeo or a San Marcos, you'll get single eyelets. I have a Hub Area Rack, have had it for a while. It was an early prototype that I talked them into letting me buy. For what it's worth, I paid a fair bit more for mine that you guys are paying now, but I share that as a reason for you to be happy, not as a reason for me to be sad. Anyhow, now that there are bags for it, I've pulled it back out. Only now do I realize that my old (2009) Hillborne does not have the upper eyelets and my old (2010) Hilsen also doesn't have them. Only my Bombadil and my Gunnar doublespeed has upper eyelets and mid fork braze ons. I wish I could snap my fingers and have upper eyelets appear on my Hilsen and my Hillborne so I could run this rack on those bikes as well. Oh well. Anyhow, as a workaround, it looks like it would be possible to run the HAR on the lower eyelets, but it might have a tilt to it. Not the end of the world but not ideal. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How many of your bikes will take the HAR?
Even better, it's REAL STEEL! I hadn't noticed those before. dougP On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 2:21:40 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: Or, you can use the REAL DEAL! http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rh1-20232.htm On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 2:12:29 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Regarding the lower mount, it looks like the intention is to use a front eyelet at the drop-out. However, if the only one is the rear (fender) one, you can sometimes cheat with spacers to mount the rack so it clears the fork leg. Somewhere (Ace Hdwe?) I came across some perfect 5 mm aluminum tubing (thick wall) spacers. A less elegant but equally functional spacer can be worked out using 5 mm hex nuts. One or 2 are usually enough to get the rack outboard of the fork leg. dougP On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 11:07:38 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: The Hub Area Rack fits best on an eyelet above the fork tip and on mid-fork braze ons. Will it fit your bike? Most current Riv models have fork tips with double eyelets. If you buy a brand new A Homer Hilsen, Hunqapillar, Cheviut, Hillborne, or Atlantis, you are going to get double eyelet fork tips. If you buy a Roadeo or a San Marcos, you'll get single eyelets. I have a Hub Area Rack, have had it for a while. It was an early prototype that I talked them into letting me buy. For what it's worth, I paid a fair bit more for mine that you guys are paying now, but I share that as a reason for you to be happy, not as a reason for me to be sad. Anyhow, now that there are bags for it, I've pulled it back out. Only now do I realize that my old (2009) Hillborne does not have the upper eyelets and my old (2010) Hilsen also doesn't have them. Only my Bombadil and my Gunnar doublespeed has upper eyelets and mid fork braze ons. I wish I could snap my fingers and have upper eyelets appear on my Hilsen and my Hillborne so I could run this rack on those bikes as well. Oh well. Anyhow, as a workaround, it looks like it would be possible to run the HAR on the lower eyelets, but it might have a tilt to it. Not the end of the world but not ideal. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
